[00:13] <peyam> Hi
[00:13] <peyam> How are you
[00:57] <Said_> Hello, I have a problem when trying to suspend my computer, it wakes up right after. Any suggestions? (Xubuntu 13.04)
[04:57] <Slipage> Hi Guys, I have a question, just download 13.04 and wanting to use this on a usb key drive. having troubles booting from it, I have tried the program li li usb creater but its giving me errors on boot up ( would like to create this from windows ), any suggestions or better method? Thanks
[05:33] <nukke> Slipage: first, make sure your download isn't corrupted. second, use either "easy usb installer" or unetbootin to copy the image to your flash drive. third, make sure you have your motherboard set up so that it boots from the usb device
[08:14] <Lachezar> Hello all...
[08:14] <Lachezar> I was just trying to upgrade Xubuntu 12.10 to Xubuntu 13.04 and found some very unnerving stuff: zeitgeist, gnome and unity pieces get installed. How come? Any way to not install those?
[08:14] <baizon> hi
[08:15] <baizon> Lachezar: you can remove them
[08:15] <baizon> maybe you got some application that is using this pkgs as dependencies
[08:15] <Lachezar> baizon: last time I tried that on zeitgeist it asked me to remove half my system.
[08:15] <baizon> Lachezar: try it now :)
[08:16] <Lachezar> baizon: I'll have to upgrade first, in order to try and remove them, and I don't want any part of that OS-Sanctioned spyware on my machine.
[08:16] <baizon> Lachezar: ? zeitgeist isnt spyware
[08:16] <Lachezar> baizon: So any way to exclude those on upgrade? Like a no-no list?
[08:17] <Lachezar> baizon: Yeah... Something that records everything you do is *not* spyware :)
[08:17] <baizon> Lachezar: dont worry, just upgrade this pkgs too and after the upgrade remove them
[08:18] <Lachezar> baizon: Any tools that can help in tracing dependencies? I'd like to remove preemptively whatever uses these packages. This is one reason I switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu in the first place.
[08:19] <baizon> !info deborphan
[08:20] <baizon> !info GtkOrphan
[08:20] <baizon> !info gtkorphan
[08:20] <baizon> Lachezar: you can try this apps
[08:20] <baizon> one gui, and the other one command line
[08:23] <Lachezar> baizon: This might put a stick in my wheels: 'zeitgeist-core is installed as part of Ubuntu Software Center and UbuntuOne.'
[08:23] <Lachezar> baizon: Weird... That's an year old claim...
[08:29] <baizon> Lachezar: so remove them
[08:29] <baizon> and install Ubuntu Software Center again
[08:29] <baizon> and of course ubuntu one if youre using it
[08:33] <Lachezar> baizon: it seems I can use apt preferences to disable certain packages... I'm gonna try that.
[08:35] <ncdmr> Hi.  Using xubuntu raring, but can't get Shutter to respond to PrtScreen & Alt-PrtScreen.  Already removed the screenshot xfce bindings.  Anyone else have this issue?
[08:35] <ncdmr> (also had this behaviour on last release, but didn't need shutter that much at that time)
[08:37] <baizon> ncdmr: http://shutter-project.org/faq-help/set-shutter-as-the-default-screenshot-tool/
[08:38] <ncdmr>  ow crap. So much for googling on "shutter keyboard grab" :D
[08:38]  * ncdmr blushes.
[08:39] <ncdmr> baizon, right, that worked like a charm.  Was looking at the keyboard settings inside the shutter tool this whole time.
[08:39] <baizon> :)
[08:40]  * ncdmr mutters something about strace and xev.
[09:09] <GrandCouillon> Hello guys, I would like to totally disable the screensaver but it doesn't work (12.10 & 13.04). Any idea ?
[09:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> hopefully a simple question: I have 2 machines. both running x64 precise. one is xubuntu, other is server. I have shared internet thru ethernet to the server from xubuntu's wireless connection. what more do I need to do to set up shh into the server?
[09:10] <maddernick> screensaver can be disabled in the screensaver dialog, however; energy saving might be what blacks out your screen?
[09:11] <heoyea> need to install openssh-server
[09:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> heoyea: on the server? I think I did that during setup; part of the install dialog
[09:11] <heoyea> yea
[09:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> heoyea: I was following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring guide, I assume I need to set up my keys now?
[09:13] <heoyea> then just connect to it; ssh username@192.168.1.XXX
[09:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> still a bit of a noob, exactly how do I determine xxx? I know its an ip, but I'm not sure how to determin the right one.
[09:14] <heoyea> go to ur server pc
[09:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> there.
[09:14] <heoyea> and type in ifconfig
[09:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> thankya, I could not recal the counterpart to iwconfig.
[09:15] <heoyea> yea if ur on wireless then iwconfig
[09:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> ok, I got inet addr and bcast, which do I use?
[09:16] <heoyea> is usually 192.168.1.101 ; 102 ; 103 ..etc
[09:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> not in this case. I see 10.42.0.xxx
[09:17] <heoyea> yea that then
[09:18] <heoyea> ur in a company network?
[09:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> heoyea: you can think of it like that. I work for a homeless shelter and live there, and we have a network for staff usage.
[09:19] <heoyea> yea 10.xxx.xxx.xxx usually for those company types
[09:19] <heoyea> 192.xxxxxx usually for home individual
[09:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> now I just needa get my publickey setup, I think. I get permission denied (publickey)
[09:20] <heoyea> not sure never done public key
[09:20] <heoyea> there should be guides online tho
[09:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I'm the guide master XD. I just needed to know what to point it at.
[09:24] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[09:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: already there.
[09:26] <heoyea> so the homeless gets to use computers also?
[09:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> you'd be surprised how many have their own laptops/smartphones.
[09:27] <heoyea> using linux also?
[09:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, I've got a small linux missionary action going on, lol. I've converted quite a lot.
[09:27] <heoyea> o
[09:28] <heoyea> free food and software
[09:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> but the direct answer to the above is no. We only have 2 company pc's here and they contain very sensitive info (we are also a temp agency), but we do have an open wifi network. if you have the means to get online, you are free to do so.
[09:32] <GrandCouillon> maddernick, I've looked in the "energy saving" dialog and it seems you are right (even if I have to make tests). Thanks a lot !
[09:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> heoyea: thankya much, I just sshed into mah server :D
[10:18] <Lachezar> RE. Upgraded to 13.04 avoiding unity and zeitgeist. Had to say goodbye to indicator-sound, since it indirectly depends on Unity. Will have to check for a XFCE plugin for volume, but no biggie: volume keys still work.
[10:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: heh, I got gedit without zeitgeist, and no broken packages :D
[10:30] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Manual install of .deb files?
[10:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: yep, customized .deb. special script to do it.
[10:39] <brainwash> gedit only depends on libzeitgeist, which won't pull the whole zeitgeist program
[10:39] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Oh. You fiddled with the package?
[10:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: yep.
[10:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> locate zeitgeist returns nothing on my system :P
[10:40] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: locate zeitgeist on my system returns a bunch of .mo (translation) files.
[10:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> brainwash: thing is gedit itself does not need libzeitgeist, just a plugin.
[10:41] <Lachezar> Ahm... Since virtualbox-ose has been removed which is the package for VirtualBox now?
[10:41] <Lachezar> Should I just install virtualbox?
[10:43]  * Lachezar is now going to send the /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-zeitgeist-and-unity file to his colleagues.
[10:44] <brainwash> having libzeitgeist on the system won't do any harm, or?
[10:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> no, I just don't like having crap I don't use on it.
[10:47] <Lachezar> brainwash: I can not be sure of that... I suppose if there is no zeitgeist daemon running...
[10:48] <Lachezar> brainwash: But doesn't libzeitgeist 'Recommend' zeitgeist? Won't it be installed automatically upon install/upgrade?
[10:48] <knome> --no-install-recommends
[10:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> now, current question. if I have a precise server set up and no windows machines, I don't need to use samba to share files from my server to the desktop, do I?
[10:49] <koegs> then i would prefer nfs
[10:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> tutorial/link?
[10:49] <koegs> www.google.de :P
[10:49] <koegs> or .com
[10:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: bist du deutschlander?
[10:50] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Samba is also used by some TV Set Top Boxes.
[10:50] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: nein, ich bin keine wurst, ich bin deutscher
[10:50]  * elfy uses nfs
[10:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: no tvs either
[10:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: XD ich hab vergessen
[10:52]  * Lachezar wonders if NFS can be used by users to share folders on the LAN for other users to explore? Like Samba replacement?
[10:53] <Lachezar> brainwash: My bad. libzeitgeist0 has no dependency on the actual zeitgeist infrastructure/.
[10:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> now, is anyone aware of a way to copy files across ssh?
[10:54] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: scp?
[10:54] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: scp or sshfs
[10:54] <koegs> or you might want to use filezilla, which can act as a scp-"client"
[10:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> all this scp talk is getting me nervious, don' wanna blink
[10:55] <koegs> Lachezar: i prefer nfs over samba (and yes, the basic idea is "shared storage"
[10:56] <Lachezar> koegs: Please save me the 'Google Time Waste' with any tutorial...
[10:56] <koegs> what?
[10:56] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: why the nerve: 'scp thisfile remote_host:'
[10:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: scp is a kinda horror scifi wiki as well, and a video game, lol.
[10:57] <Lachezar> koegs: Any tutorial/howto on how to use NFS as user-lever sharing platform?
[10:57] <koegs> nfs wiki ubuntu, go go go
[10:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> I think I may just use samba XD
[10:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/how-to-turn-an-old-computer-into-a-file-sharing-server
[10:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> http://is.gd/TKWmKP
[10:58] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Are you considering Samba over SSH/SCP/SFTP?
[10:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> sorry for long link.
[10:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: yeah, I got a server setup with ssh, so I want to externally store my large collection of media and save space for actual work
[10:59] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Thanks a bunch… All I found were German pages…
[11:01] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: Ahhh... You need a file storage server... Open the Thunar file server and type: sftp://server/
[11:01] <Lachezar> s/Thunar file server/Thunar file manager/
[11:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> Lachezar: host not known. I think I'll just follow this wiki.
[11:03] <Lachezar> ntzrmtthihu777: I use the ~/.ssh/config to make shortcuts and configurations for the machines I use…
[11:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh.
[11:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> noob here, lol. just the basics XD
[11:04]  * Lachezar nods at ntzrmtthihu777
[11:07] <Lachezar> koegs: NFS looks like requiring a lot of root-jobs… SFTP/SCP or even nc require no root access, and are quite more user friendly.
[11:07]  * Lachezar actually just found he can use SFTP:// URIs in Thunar...
[11:09] <koegs> Lachezar: nfs is a complete transparant way of using remote file systems and permission, you can even have your home-folder on a nfs-server
[11:09] <koegs> and once understood, there a three tiny tasks to do with sudo and you are good to go
[11:10] <koegs> i am not saying samba/nfs/sftp is better than any other, there are just reasons to use on or another
[11:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: right tool for the right job, right?
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> :D got it :D I can browse files on my server via thunar now :D
[11:50] <Lachezar> koegs: Once upon a time I had serious problems with NFS being corrupted because of power failure (the Switch was without power). How does NFS fare with connectivity loss now?
[11:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> now I needa see if the bios supports autoreboot
[12:17] <Araneidae> Is there any way to trigger semi-intelligent placement of terminal windows when I pop them up?  Neither centre of screen or under mouse are particularly useful placements
[12:18] <Inoki> Araneidae: you can use the terminal as a drop-down.
[12:18] <Araneidae> ?
[12:18] <Inoki> Araneidae: As a drop-down window appearing only at the top of the screen and only when you trigger it with a shortcut, let's say F12.
[12:19] <Araneidae> Really I just want gnome style behaviour: find an halfway empty space and plonk it there
[12:19] <Inoki> Araneidae: This is one very useful way of using the terminal: http://tinyw.in/J9sG
[12:20] <Myrtti> totally unrelated to almost anything, I realised today that it's semi-impossible to install Spotify for Linux in a sane way nowadays
[12:20] <Araneidae> No, I don't want drop-down -- my terminals are numerous and permanent
[12:21] <Myrtti> since it hardlinks to libssl0.9.8 or whatever, and I think latest versions of Ubuntu and Debian come with libssl1.0.0
[12:24] <Lachezar> Araneidae: Have you tried tinkering with the 'Minimum size to trigger smart placement:' bar?
[12:25] <Araneidae> I wish it had some numbers.  Guess I need to try turning it *right* down.  One moment
[12:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> Araneidae: check out tilds, its nifty.
[12:25] <Araneidae> Huh.  Hadn't turned down enough!
[12:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> *tilda
[12:26] <Araneidae> tilda?
[12:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> Araneidae: yeah. I've got 4 terminals hotkeyed to each quarter of my desktop
[12:26] <Araneidae> What is tilda?  A program to install?
[12:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah.
[12:26] <laite> Araneidae: you can also launch terminals bit larger so it gets caught on wm placing algorithm (I have MiscDefaultGeometry=120x34 in terminalrc and it works :)
[12:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> Araneidae: http://imagebin.org/256931
[12:28] <Araneidae> This: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tilda ?
[12:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Araneidae: yes, but I suggest you find an Ubuntu tut, or better yet just play with it. its easy to learn and figure out.
[12:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone info on playing music from a samba share with gmusicbrowser?
[12:49] <koegs> that is why you actually mount a nfs or samba share instead of relying on gvfs and thunar :)
[12:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm. tutorial about mounting, then?
[12:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> I can mount my smb://x.x.x.x/Music in ~/Music, no?
[12:53] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:53] <koegs> i am feeling like a personal google frontend today :(
[12:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: this is a ubuntu system with ubuntu server, would that make a difference? I was just looking at this link in google, lol
[12:54]  * ntzrmtthihu777 gives koegs a cookie
[12:54] <koegs> if you are concerned about security, you could also take a look at sshfs
[12:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: not particularly worried.
[12:57] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: just thought about it, easy to use, secure (as samba and nfs are not encrypted)
[12:58] <Myrtti> sshfs/sftp/scp is nice if you're interacting with devices outside your home network
[12:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> just me an my fileserver :P
[12:58] <Myrtti> but if it's strictly between devices in the home network, then they add noticeable amount of lag in encryption
[12:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I just need something external to hold my ogg files, and such. I seem to have figured it out, mounted my samba onto ~/music just fine.
[13:02] <Malsasa> Hello. I need help in wget. I wanna download a file from http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d. What is proper wget command? I have tried many but all fail. One of my command was wget -c -U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14" -H -O gimp.alldeb http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d.
[13:03] <Myrtti> looks like you're being helped in #ubuntu already
[13:03] <koegs> why would you want to download gimp from a third party host O.o
[13:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: likely wants the one-window mode of the newer gimp
[13:04] <koegs> then i would use a ppa
[13:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: like I did?
[13:04] <koegs> and also 2.8.4 with one-window-mode is available in the repo for 13.04, Malsasa
[13:07] <koegs> Malsasa: what do you need this file for and what is it actually?
[13:07] <Malsasa> koegs: no, no, I wanna make a mirror for my friend packages. He create an innovation for Ubuntu package management system.
[13:07] <Malsasa> koegs: I have GIMP preinstalled in my system. I just wanna ask about wget :)
[13:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> quite frankly the best innovation for apt-get is apt-fast. hella good.
[13:07] <Malsasa> koegs: yup, this file is GIMP packaged in his own format, .alldeb.
[13:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> :/ deb does not need a change, lol. you're reinventing the wheel here.
[13:10] <Malsasa> ntzrmtthihu777: maybe you will feel same with me if you life in Indonesia. Release all of your internet and you get it. My friend wanna help users in Indonesia, so wanna I support him :)
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> Malsasa: don't you think a better and more overarching solution would be to work towards an internet infrastructure in indo. ?
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> becuse ubuntu is not the end-all and be-all of internet usage. granted I want ubuntu to spread, but some will wish to use windows/mac/etc, and a change to ubuntu's package manager is not gonna help those folk.
[13:14]  * ntzrmtthihu777 thinks assuming the man in charge does not turn into steve jobs :/
[13:14] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: can you please try to keep the chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic, that would be very nice
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: sure, np. and I now am playing my music from the samba share :D
[13:22] <donnie> I know nothing about tar.gz files. Need help extracting them please
[13:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> donnie: tar lxf foo.tar.gz, or use the filebrowser.
[13:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> donnie: holy crap, is that you?
[13:24] <donnie> Depends... who are you?
[13:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> corpus christi?
[13:24] <donnie> I vaugly remember... I've been gone about a month working with MS os's for a bit
[13:25] <donnie> And my spelling hasn't gotten any better
[13:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> donnie: nvm, couldn't be the donney I'm thinking of. M$ fanboi he is.
[13:26] <donnie> Probably not me then... :)
[13:27] <GridCube> donnie, tar files can be open with file-roller
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup.
[13:27] <donnie> Well I have that but don't I need to 'extract' them to somewhere/
[13:27] <donnie> ?* shift key hates me
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> I personally like using the terminal, as I usually had just wgotten them XD.
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> donnie: right-click, extract here.
[13:28] <GridCube> donnie, each tar file, if its a program, has a "README" file
[13:28] <GridCube> guess what you have to do with it?
[13:28] <donnie> Read it :) I just found the readme
[13:28] <GridCube> (:
[14:45] <yourfriendarmand> sshfs works for me, and a wrapper script to mount and unmount makes things sweet
[15:00] <xubuntu350> Hello
[15:01] <xubuntu350> I am in the process of installing Xubuntu... Where do I go to encrypt the hard drive so that it asks for password when booting?
[15:01] <elfy> pretty sure it asks that at the username stage
[15:01] <koegs> xubuntu350: during the partitioning dialog
[15:01] <xubuntu350> it only asks to encrypt the home folder but not entire drive
[15:02] <koegs> xubuntu350: which version do you install?
[15:03] <xubuntu350> partitioning dialog?? I am at the installation type now... 12.04.2
[15:03] <koegs> xubuntu350: with 12.04 you have to use the alternate iso, from 12.10 on it is integrated in the normal cd
[15:04] <xubuntu350> Ok. so I need to download version 12.10 of Xubuntu
[15:04] <koegs> xubuntu350: or 13.04, which is the latest version
[15:04] <koegs> if you want 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support), you have to use the 12.04.2 alternate iso
[15:04] <xubuntu350> I have been looking at reviews and watching videos but none of them got to the where is asks about  encryption other than home folder.
[15:05] <xubuntu350> Looking for download now
[15:05] <koegs> xubuntu350: xubuntu.org :)
[15:05] <xubuntu350> Thank you for your help!
[15:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> question. if I have my fstab set up to automount my samba shares on boot it should not show up twice in thunar, no? just like my home partition only shows up as a folder, right?
[15:09] <GridCube> known bug
[15:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: @ me or another?
[15:11] <GridCube> at you
[15:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: known, and fixable? *hopes*
[15:11] <GridCube> in 13.04 with the new thunar it should be fixed
[15:12] <GridCube> ntzrmtthihu777, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375
[15:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: damn. I'm looking to stick with precise XD
[15:13] <GridCube> ntzrmtthihu777, sorry mate
[15:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> XD it happens. perhaps there is a thunar dev ppa?
[15:15] <bwat47> ntzrmtthihu777, there is an xfce 4.10 ppa and an xfce 4.12 ppa that should have it i think
[15:16] <bwat47> ntzrmtthihu777, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12, yea its got the latest thunar 1.6
[15:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> I think I have that version... I got tabbed browsing :D
[15:17] <bwat47> ntzrmtthihu777, yeah then u have the latest one already indeed
[15:17] <bwat47> ntzrmtthihu777, the tabbed browsing was only introduced in 1.6
[15:18] <GridCube> i would do a bug report then, but im not sure it will be taken seriously becuase you are using a ppa
[15:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: true. I think its just because I have not booted with my new fstab settings yet.
[15:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: ok, just rebooted with the new fstab, still shows up twice in thunar. you had made mention of a ppa that solves this?
[15:54] <GridCube> someone did
 ntzrmtthihu777, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12, yea its got the latest thunar 1.6
[15:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> damn, think I already have that...
[15:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> yep, got it.
[15:55] <GridCube> ppa can fail
[15:55] <GridCube> or i dont know
[15:55] <GridCube> you should updgrade to 13.04
[15:56] <GridCube> maybe its something else
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: sorry, not desired.
[15:56] <GridCube> read the bug report
[15:56] <GridCube> ntzrmtthihu777, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm just a lts kinda guy.
[15:56] <GridCube> me too. but if something fails tehn its time to update
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: not so much a failure as an annoyance.
[15:57] <GridCube> you could add to the bug report with your situation
[16:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm not sure the bug report reflects my situation.
[16:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> http://imagebin.org/256954
[16:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> the stuff listed under Devices is on my samba server, but they are not duplicated per se.
[16:02] <GridCube> i dont see the problem
[16:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: for example: the Documents device is mounted to ~/Documents, but if I click the ~/Documents icon it switches to the Documents device. granted they are the same, its just a cosmetic issue.
[16:04] <GridCube> yeah its a behaviour
[16:04] <GridCube> it does that
[16:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: what about the bind option?
[16:12] <GridCube> no idea
[16:20] <dahu57> hello. can anybody help me to get gpu acceleration on nvidia ion ? xubuntu 13.04
[16:21] <GridCube> dahu57, have you installed the privative drivers?
[16:22] <dahu57> no, default drivers, I just installed xubuntu and didn't manipulate anything on graphic driver...
[16:23] <GridCube> :) ok then, first go to the ubuntu software center and look for the hardware tab
[16:25] <Deepfriedice> GridCube: I hate to contradict you, but isn't system -> Additional Drivers easier?
[16:25] <GridCube> in 12.04 sure, but jockey-gtk was deprecated after 12.10, now its concentrated on the USC
[16:26] <elfy> or in settings manager - software sources - addition drivers
[16:26] <Deepfriedice> ...Huh
[16:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> Deepfriedice: what GridCube said. quantal and later no longer have jockey-gtk
[16:27] <GridCube> oh, elfy might be right, im using 12.04 here so i dont have software sources on settings
[16:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Yeah, I think elfy is exactly right. either way the additional drivers dialogue is no longer available passed precise.
[16:29] <Deepfriedice> So, how do you set that up without USC then?
[16:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> Deepfriedice: do you not have Ubuntu Software Center? if that is the case you likely changed something you probly shouldn't have :P
[16:30] <ochosi> Deepfriedice: what elfy said doesn't involve USC i would think
[16:31] <Deepfriedice> ntzrmtthihu777: It's okay, I'm useing Precise and am just curious.
[16:31] <Deepfriedice> ochosi: fair enough.
[16:35]  * drc cuts Deepfriedice some slack...drc has trouble keeping what everything is called in his head, especially since it keeps changing and he only has one computer and one distro/version installed :)
[16:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm. ubuntu server has no answer for me yet. perhaps you folk know? I have precise x64 server installed on my fileserver, but dpgk --get-selections | grep linux-headers  showes linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal to be installed
[16:36] <Deepfriedice> ntzrmtthihu777: I'll take a look at them.
[16:38] <Deepfriedice> That don't seem to have any interesting dependants, what happens if you unselect it.
[16:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, I should rather avoid scragging my fileserver. I'm just curious
[16:39] <Deepfriedice> I can't see any reason you'd want that package.
[16:40] <Deepfriedice> also, why are you using dpkg to maintain your sever?
[16:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> Deepfriedice: not useing it to maintain, just the command I am familiar with to find what is and isnt installed.
[16:40] <Deepfriedice> okay
[16:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> using apt-fast, and sides which I'm not doing anything fancy with it. just a glorified external hard drive XD
[16:58] <Deepfriedice> ntzrmtthihu777, Okay, what on earth is apt-fast?
[16:58]  * ntzrmtthihu777 is debating on moving his dropbox instance to the server :P
[16:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> Deepfriedice: apt-fast = apt-get + aria2, basically an accelerated apt-get
[17:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> Deepfriedice: you should check it out, its now the very first thing I install on a fresh install. makes everthing else so much faster.
[17:09] <Deepfriedice> Hmm, It looks interesting but a) I rarely use apt-get or aptitude directly and b) It sounds like another point of failure for not much gain
[17:10] <Deepfriedice> still, I'll look into it.
[17:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, I almost always use apt-get unless I'm "shopping"
[17:53] <Peyam> Hi
[17:53] <Peyam> Bought a mechanical keyboard
[17:53] <Peyam> and it works nicely
[17:54] <Peyam> recommend everyone to buy a mechanical keyboard and enjoy
[17:54] <fatpudding> +1
[17:58] <Peyam> ;)
[17:58] <Deepfriedice> Dammit I just left /g/
[17:59]  * [0gb_us] isn't sure what a mechanical keyboard even is
[17:59] <Peyam> why?
[17:59] <TheSheep> [0gb_us]: a keyboard that has mechanical switches under the keys, as opposed to simple membrane or contacts
[17:59] <drc> Maybe one of the old IBM "clickety-click" keyboards?
[18:00] <TheSheep> also, this should go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:00] <Peyam> good! bye it looks old when I got it so I m gona send it back and get a new one
[18:01] <TheSheep> Peyam: please go to #xubuntu-offtopic if you want to talk about that
[18:01] <[0gb_us]> Oh, okay. THanks!
[18:01] <Peyam> no Im finished
[18:24] <lelz> i dont know how to install this program. could one of you help me out? im new to xfce+ubuntu+gnu+linux http://i.imgur.com/R4qDeuK.png
[18:25] <[0gb_us]> That's a directory ....
[18:25] <moppers> lelz, right click 'installl me', set it to executable, then double left click it
[18:27] <lelz> i can right click and then click execute
[18:27] <lelz> but nothing happens
[18:27] <holstein> what i did was ran that from the terminal.. the INSTALL-ME.sh ..i had error output
[18:27] <moppers> need to double left click after you make it executable
[18:27] <holstein> lelz: if you run it from the terminal, you'll see the error output
[18:27] <lelz> how do you make it executable? sorry, im new
[18:28] <yourfriendarmand> chmod +x script
[18:28] <yourfriendarmand> run it: $ ./script.sh
[18:28] <yourfriendarmand> the ./ tripped me up at first when I first started
[18:29] <holstein> yourfriendarmand: it works for you?
[18:30]  * holstein is on 12.04, and i get a few errors... no joy
[18:30] <yourfriendarmand> oh no, I have no idea what you're installing, just helpful hints for general use
[18:30] <nukke> the errors are probably that you're lacking dependencies
[18:31] <nukke> try looking at the website and seeing what dependencies are required
[18:31] <nukke> for example, if it's a music player app, you might be missing the library that lets you read the tags off the files
[18:31] <holstein> i dont think so.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5645503/
[18:31] <yourfriendarmand> I know when I would install the virtual box guest adds for linux, occasionally a: $ sh script.sh
[18:31] <holstein> looks like errors in the code to me
[18:32] <holstein> thats why i suggest sharing the error output with the developer
[18:32] <nukke> ah, ok. try running $ ./makefile first
[18:34] <holstein> nukke: looking at Makefile, i bet that is the issue
[18:35] <rickb> i officially love you guys for not using a pae-kernel in 12.04
[18:35] <holstein> nukke: looks like it needs to make a database
[18:35] <nukke> makefile is supposed to configure the install for your machine
[18:35] <nukke> what error is it displaying?
[18:35] <holstein> lelz: im not interested in personally polluting my box with that package right now.. but that looks like the way to do it
[18:35] <holstein> running makefile, then the installer
[18:36] <rickb> i was able to flash an ancient tablet over vnc using a flash drive as a hard drive and lots and lots of patience. any idea how to get a touch screen to work on Xubuntu :)
[18:36] <lelz> im sorry. i dont know what makefile is
[18:36] <rickb> lelz: when you type make it looks for the makefile to do stuff
[18:36] <nukke> alright lelz, what you need to do, is open up your terminal
[18:36] <holstein> lelz: thats why i still sugggest you *not* install this application.. i suggest you use something from the default repos
[18:37] <holstein> otherwise, it will be up to the developer to ideally let you know how you are to install the application
[18:37] <nukke> lelz: have you made sure this app isn't in the Ubuntu Software Center?
[18:37] <holstein> if nukke wants to walk you through it, i would trust that, lelz
[18:37] <lelz> i have
[18:37] <holstein> nukke: i dont see it in the repos
[18:38] <yourfriendarmand> what's the app in question?
[18:38] <lelz> yourfriendarmand: pythonol
[18:38] <holstein> yourfriendarmand: pythonol.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonol/
[18:41] <nukke> lelz: i can guide you through the installation, but if you want to learn a language, i'd recommend you use other resources.
[18:42] <lelz> i have other resources but i as just looking for a program on linux
[18:42] <nukke> there are several website that are more dynamic than that, which can really help you, instead of the more static approach by (most) language-learning software
[18:42] <nukke> alright, as i said, i can  help you out
[18:43] <lelz> thanks
[18:44] <nukke> first, find the place were you extracted the tarball. i'm guessing it's going to be something like ~/Downloads/Pythonol-2.1
[18:44] <nukke> open up the terminal by going to App menu > Accessories > Terminal emulator
[18:45] <Sekoia> hi, is there a known issue with the power system on xubuntu? my battery lasts only 2 hours :/
[18:45] <lelz> ive done both of those
[18:45] <nukke> Sekoia: make sure you've installed the drivers for your graphics card
[18:46] <nukke> lelz: alright. type in "cd ~/Downloads/Pythonol-2.1" in your terminal without the quotes, and with the correct path to the folder
[18:47] <yourfriendarmand> In this page: http://www.phrozensmoke.com/mainsite.php?template=/projects/pythonol : States the software is unmaintained and +7 years old
[18:47] <Sekoia> thanks nukke, Im gonna check it
[18:48] <nukke> hmm, you're right. the sourceforce page says that it was updated a month or two ago, but the files themselves haven't been touched since 2004
[18:48] <yourfriendarmand> The way I keep Spanish technical lingo fresh in my head is with the locale settings
[18:49] <yourfriendarmand> It's nice having that freedom without requiring an ultimate edition of some other os
[18:49] <lelz> maybe its not even worth downloading then. what do you think?
[18:49] <nukke> that could definitely work, yeah. something like Duolingo is nice, too
[18:50] <lelz> i have duolingo, rosetta stone, an iOS app, and some textbooks
[18:50] <nukke> yeah, don't bother with that app. it most likely relies on outdated/deprecated libraries. how did you find it, anyway?
[18:50] <yourfriendarmand> install some text to speech apps for starters, throw some phrases at it
[18:51] <nukke> oh man, that should be more than enough resources to learn it. especially something as studied and common as spanish
[18:51] <lelz> i search on startpage for "best learn spanish programs linux" and clicked around
[18:51] <lelz> yeah i wont mess with it then
[18:51] <lelz> thanks for the help though guys
[18:52] <nukke> no problem. if you have any more questions, don't hesitate coming here :)
[18:52] <yourfriendarmand> unless you want to bring the code up to date, python3-ify-it
[18:52] <lelz> 2much work4me
[18:53] <yourfriendarmand> youtubes and even a set top box player channels that teach language by real language speakers
[18:53] <lelz> i know an argentinian girl too
[18:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> lelz: check out busuu. its a languauge learning social network site, pretty good for japanese, should be fine for spanish. chat with native speakers, text and voice
[18:54] <yourfriendarmand> there you go, ask her for some Spanish, and some empanadas
[18:54] <lelz> unfortunately, what she thinks sounds good is a weird accent to the more mexican speakers near where i live
[18:54] <lelz> lel
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[18:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> lelz: save yourself some time, just type ntz then tab
[18:55] <drc> lelz: Argentine spanish has a sort of Italian accent :)
[18:55] <nukke> well, coming from someone who speaks spanish, the accent is the least of your worries. in fact, broken spanish is fine, too. just learn how to structure the sentences
[18:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> grammar > accents
[18:55] <nukke> precisely
[18:55] <yourfriendarmand> good luck, interesting dig though with pythonol. Argentinians are a little more adept to traditional spanish than, say, Mex Spanish
[18:56] <nukke> learn the numbers and "taco" and you're set
[18:56] <drc> and getting off topic :)
[18:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> + mas cervesa
[18:57] <nukke> oh man, i'm checking out busuu and they have lots of cool languages, but no swedish. i've been meaning to find a site that has swedish
[18:57] <yourfriendarmand> and try the locale settings in buntu if you dare, maybe even a set of man pages in Spanish
[18:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, busuu is pretty good. I polished my japanese there.
[18:57] <lelz> saying things like, "y sho soy parte de todos" & "las cashes peligran" make people think you dont know what youre saying
[18:57] <yourfriendarmand> I learned a lot of terminology most Spanish-born folks don't know
[18:57] <elfy> can you take the chat about learning language to -offtopic please
[18:58] <lelz> np
[18:58] <elfy> ta :)
[18:58] <lelz> in fact, is there a language learning room?
[18:58] <yourfriendarmand> < tried to relate it back to *buntu
[18:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> elfy: you an englander?
[18:58] <lelz> <noticed and commends you
[18:58]  * lelz claps.
[18:59] <elfy> yep
[19:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> elfy: 's what I thought. ta is like thankyou, right?
[19:00] <elfy> :)
[19:09] <lelz> thanks to whoever recommended busuu. it seems solid. also, uhh update your kernel and stuff
[19:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> lelz: twas me, and my kernel is good, thank you for the concernt :D
[19:11] <lelz> ;)
[19:14] <lelz> i have one for you guys, my volume in xubuntu goes  wayyy too quiet after the volume is about 70%  turned down and then it gets really loud
[19:14] <lelz> errr 30% turned down
[19:15] <lelz> it seems like the scale of volume is messed up, if that makes sense
[19:17] <drc> lelz: Take a look at apps menu>MutliMedia>pulse audio>Playback and Output devices.
[19:18] <yourfriendarmand> cat /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |grep -i vol
[19:18] <yourfriendarmand> would the volume stepping options help?
[19:18] <drc> make sure Playback is ~100%
[19:18] <yourfriendarmand> mine is left alone at default: flat-volumes = no
[19:20] <lelz> it just seems like its very quiet and then a few clicks higher is BAM LOUD
[19:20] <lelz> playback is at 100%
[19:20] <yourfriendarmand> on any device? headphones, amp
[19:21] <lelz> built in laptop speakers
[19:21] <yourfriendarmand> try some earbuds you know work with something else
[19:21] <yourfriendarmand> don't put them to your ears though
[19:23] <lelz> its the same
[19:23] <lelz> it takes five clicks down to become completely unable to be heard
[19:24] <lelz> i have five volume settings, basically
[19:25] <yourfriendarmand> Reminds me of the odd toshiba laptop that had a volume pot. on the side. As we know how those fare as the elements interact with them
[19:27] <lelz> im dualbooting windows on this and i dont have that problem
[19:30] <yourfriendarmand> I would start out with an $ lspci && lspci -n , to see the model, make, pci ID of the sound chip. Then peruse alsa/pulse resources. Perhaps there's a modprobe setting to append to the driver to correct the volume upon load into kernel
[20:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> question: can an ip address change after a reboot?
[20:40] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: sure, depends on how it is given
[20:40] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: if you get it from a DHCP server, then the server can give a different address every time
[20:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: well I had just set up ubuntu server on an older tower, and after a server reboot I can't ssh in again. any way you know of to diagnose it? I currently do not have a monitor to check with.
[20:41] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: how is it connected to the network?
[20:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> both this machine and the server are connected via an ethernet cable, and this one is connected via wifi.
[20:42] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: you could check on your router what IP it got
[20:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> the wifi is shared thru to the server via the cable.
[20:42] <Peyam> ntzrmtthihu777: what is the issue?
[20:42] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: well, then just check the logs on your machine
[20:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: where?
[20:43] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: /var/log
[20:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> Peyam: cannot ssh into my server after reboot.
[20:43] <Peyam> hmm
[20:43] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: there will be something for the dhcp server, or just check in the syslog
[20:43] <yourfriendarmand> can you ping it by hostname? avahi allows you to ping hostname.local
[20:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> yourfriendarmand: don't understand your drift here, lol.
[20:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: yeah, I see this in the log. but how am I to know the ip of the server from what is going on desktop side?
[20:47] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: well, it should say something about rreceiving a dhcp request and responding with an IP
[20:47] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: that's the ip it got
[20:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: ahh, seeing what you're talking about. thing is it says the same ip as I'm trying to ssh into
[20:52] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: then maybe the ssh server didn't start?
[20:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> maybe. sudo service sshd start?
[20:53] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: but you need to do that on the server...
[20:53] <TheSheep> ntzrmtthihu777: you can use nmap to see what ports are open on it..
[20:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: yes, I get that. I have the keyboard right here, just will have to type blinde XD
[20:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> TheSheep: port 22 is open according to nmap
[20:54] <TheSheep> what is the error you are getting exactly?
[20:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> ssh: connect to host x.x.x.x port 22: No route to host
[20:55] <TheSheep> that looks like your wifi sharing is wrong somehow
[20:56] <TheSheep> like you are missing a route?
[20:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> well it was *just* working, lol. did an update && upgrade on the server via ssh
[21:37] <edinho> help in portuguese plsssss
[21:37] <knome> !pt | edinho
[21:38] <edinho_> thks
[21:57] <edinho_> hi ppl someone help in portuguese preferencial?!
[21:59] <nukke> i can help in spanish
[21:59] <edinho_> i need help for my connection wireless, i detect the wire, insert the password, but it doesn't connect, show me everytime the popup for insert password...
[22:01] <edinho_> *i detect the network
[22:02] <edinho_> i runned commands
[22:03] <edinho_>  sudo lshw -C networki
[22:05] <edinho_> that tells me wireless card the logic name is eth1 and ethernet interface the logic name is eth0
[22:06] <edinho_> wireless card should be wlan0 correct?
[22:06] <edinho_> nuke: help me pls
[22:06] <edinho_> nukke: help me pls
[22:07] <knome> !patience | edinho_
[22:11] <edinho_> :(
[22:12] <koegs> depending on the driver even a wifi card is not named wlan0 buth ethX
[22:18] <yourfriendarmand> edinho, can you perform an lspci at a terminal shell? find out what the wireless chipset is. It may be categorized as Network Controller or "controlador de rede" if it's in portugeis
[22:19] <yourfriendarmand> I know on older broadcom chipsets, network manager settings  would detect networks, but would fail associating. After downloading the firmware for the card, it was able to successfully connect
[22:41] <carrera> Greetings!  :)
[22:45] <carrera> I installed xubuntu 13.04 about a week ago and I love it!  However, I thought it came without zeitgeist. Any suggestions on how I can get rid of it without ruining the rest of my system?
[22:47] <yourfriendarmand> look at ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1773497 to remove zeitgeist any lingering configs
[22:48] <carrera> yourfriendarmand, thanks u sir!  :)
[22:48] <yourfriendarmand> you're welcome, I'm probably going to remove it too, save some resources
[22:49] <brainwash> carrera, the new version of catfish (search tool) depends on zeitgeist, delete it if you don't use it or rebuild the package or whatever :)
[22:49] <brainwash> catfish should actually run without zeitgeist
[22:49] <carrera> yourfriendarmand, zeitgeist and Unity are the reasons I decided to move away from Ubuntu
[22:50] <yourfriendarmand> Another article I found on google search shows the information it collects isn't transmitted
[22:50] <yourfriendarmand> ultimately I would prefer a doc indexer
[22:50] <carrera> brainwash, I didn't even know of catfish until now!  is it just a fancy find?
[22:51] <brainwash> carrera, actually a nice gui tool
[22:51] <carrera> brainwash, oh, ok. it looks a lot like the dictionary
[22:52] <carrera> brainwash, second rightmost icon in the bottom pop up menu
[22:52] <carrera> what's the bottom pop up panel called btw?
[22:52] <nukke> the dock at the bottom?
[22:53] <carrera> nukke, dock?
[22:53] <nukke> go to Menu > Settings Manager > Panel > Panel 1
[22:53] <nukke> the one at the bottom of your screen, correct? with the apps
[22:53] <xubuntu200> guys when i am going to software center it insists to update to ubuntu 13xx but it doesnt allo me to search for applications any more
[22:53] <xubuntu200> wtf?
[22:53] <carrera> nukke, correct sir!
[22:54] <nukke> yeah, think of it as the dock in Mac OSX. quick shortcuts for your apps
[22:54] <carrera> catfish is fast!
[22:54] <nukke> in Xubuntu it's called a panel, but it's commonly referred as application dock
[22:54] <brainwash> carrera, powered by zeitgeist :P
[22:55] <carrera> I just searched for GTS and it brought up all the folders and files that had GTS in the name in a blink
[22:56] <nukke> xubuntu200: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[22:57] <carrera> brainwash, yeah, but I guess how much slower it would be if it had to search my 2  480 GB SSDs with Sandforce 2281 controller in  RAID 0?
[22:59] <xubuntu200> nukke i am using xubuntu 12.10
[22:59] <xubuntu200> so i have to upgrade to 13xx even if i dont want yet?
[22:59] <xubuntu200> for to be able to use software manager?
[23:07] <xubuntu200> ?
[23:07] <xubuntu200> anyone know
[23:07] <xubuntu200> ?
[23:08] <knome> xubuntu200, you are given the possibility yo upgrade to 14.04 when it's out, or you can upgrade via 13.04 and 13.10
[23:09] <xubuntu200> what you mean?
[23:09] <xubuntu200> 14.04?
[23:09] <xubuntu200> is out or?
[23:09] <knome> no.
[23:09] <bekks> xubuntu200: In April 2014 14.04 will be released.
[23:09] <knome> 14.04 will be out on april 2014, it is the next LTS release
[23:10] <knome> apart from the usual upgrade paths, you are also given the possibility to upgrade from 12.10 to 14.04 directly.
[23:11] <xubuntu200> yes but can i now?
[23:11] <xubuntu200> you talking about bet?
[23:11] <xubuntu200> beta?
[23:11] <bekks> No. In April 2014 you can.
[23:11] <xubuntu200> oh okie
[23:11] <xubuntu200> upgrading to 13.10
[23:11] <xubuntu200> i will loose settings?
[23:11] <xubuntu200> of my programs?
[23:11] <xubuntu200> applications
[23:11] <knome> there is no 13.10 out yet.
[23:12] <xubuntu200> oh ok when will be anyway :P
[23:12] <knome> when you upgrade, you shouldn't lose settings, but we highly suggest you to take backups
[23:12] <knome> you can't upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10.
[23:13] <xubuntu200> why?
[23:14] <bekks> Because thats not supported.
[23:14] <knome> you are only able to upgrade a normal release to a next normal release
[23:15] <knome> (except now you're also able to upgrade 12.10->14.04, because there was some changes to the support windows for normal releases)
[23:15] <knome> but if you eventually want to be on 13.10, you will have to upgrade to 13.04, then 13.10; or alternatively, do a fresh install for 13.10
[23:16] <xubuntu200> oh interesting! thank you so much for these information since i am newbie....so you suggest me to upgrade to 13.04?i heard that there are alot problems and bugs
[23:16] <knome> there are always bugs in software, no matter what version you're talking about.
[23:17] <xubuntu200> okie maybe i consider then a upgrade
[23:18] <xubuntu200> by the way what is the best pdf viewer?
[23:18] <xubuntu200> for xubuntu?
[23:18] <xubuntu200> i am using the default
[23:18] <knome> !best
[23:18] <xubuntu200> but i was thinking if it is something more special that is good
[23:18] <knome> if evince (the default viewer) is fine for you, then use that
[23:19] <xubuntu200> okie...and my last problem for today :P i am trying to add greek to my keybaord
[23:19] <xubuntu200> but i cant
[23:19] <xubuntu200> i mean i opened i bus and
[23:19] <xubuntu200> when i am going preferences input method
[23:19] <xubuntu200> it have only chinese to add lol