[05:36] <soee> good morning
[07:06] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.6.90
[07:06] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178125
[07:06] <smartboyhw> Meh, is 4.10.3 done?
[07:09] <soee> dont think so :)
[07:09] <soee> yofel said yesterday he might work on it today if find time 
[08:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: only if you've done it :)
[08:36] <Mamarok> btw, people, there apparently is a kdelibs/plasma regression in KDE 4.10.3, not something I would release as is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319475
[08:41] <soee> can't confirm - have no 4.10.3 yet :0
[08:42] <soee> hope yofel find time to do packaging
[08:42] <soee> or in summer i try to find out how to do it and do it myself next time :)
[09:32] <yofel> good morning
[09:33] <shadeslayer> morning :)
[09:54] <afiestas_> ScottK: thanks
[10:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: ping
[10:38] <yofel> do I need some special setup for bug 1177333?
[10:38] <yofel> because "just" nvidia + kscreen doesn't crash for me
[10:42] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1177823] qdbus needs dependency ubuntu-sdk to work @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1177823 (by Patola)
[10:44] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1178192] My laptop occasionally doesn't shutdown @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178192 (by Tomas Brandysky)
[10:48] <shadeslayer> uhh no
[10:48] <shadeslayer> just nvidia drivers
[10:49] <yofel> it only happens when you don't use nouveau on first login maybe?
[10:49]  * yofel tries that
[10:49] <Riddell> you need a second screen
[10:49] <Riddell> you do anything in kscreen
[10:49] <yofel> I have that
[10:49] <Riddell> then next login it crashes
[10:49] <yofel> ah, ok
[10:54] <yofel> err... nope
[10:55] <yofel> maybe that only happens when you have 2GPU's ?
[10:58] <afiestas_> yofel: kscreen-console output
[10:59] <yofel> afiestas_: is that supposed to finish or should I CTRL-C it at the end?
[11:00] <afiestas_> yofel: ctrl+c should be ok
[11:01] <yofel> afiestas_: http://paste.kde.org/740534/
[11:02] <afiestas_> yofel: are you using nvidia blob?
[11:04] <yofel> that's using nvidia-313-updates (313.30), Xorg.log if you need the details: http://paste.kde.org/740540/
[11:04] <yofel> that's pretty much a fresh install, so maybe I'm missing something... but I don't see what
[11:08] <afiestas_> yofel: nope, your ystem has a LVDS,it crashes with other kind of displays
[11:08] <yofel> ah, so you would need a desktop with 2 monitors...
[11:12] <yofel> afiestas_: 2 identical displays or would a DVI/VGA mix do?
[11:12] <afiestas_> yofel: you need an embedded display called DP 
[11:13] <yofel> er, that's nvidia's naming for DisplayPort, that's not embedded
[11:13] <yofel> but let me try that actually
[11:13]  * yofel goes digging around for his DP-HDMI adapter
[11:16] <yofel> :/
[11:17] <yofel> first I pull my VGA cable out of the notebook and nothing changes until I run 'xrandr' in konsole... and now I plug my DP cable in,  screen is configured right but now plasma is frozen solid -.-
[11:21] <yofel> well, didn't crash either, so it probably needs to be embedded after all
[11:21]  * yofel gives up
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:53] <Quintasan> hello
[11:54] <Quintasan> yofel: I can't reproduce it on my desktop, two DVI ports and nothing happens
[11:54] <Quintasan> I'll try it on my laptop later when I get the dvi connector
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hey , getting this error and I think I know what the offending app/patch is , "
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Error!  The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive which
[11:57] <BluesKaj> does not match this kernel/arch.  This indicates that it should not be built.
[11:58] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you pastebin the surrounding parts please?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily
[12:02] <BluesKaj> yofel, here's the paste, http://pastebin.com/ZfbpMidR
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yofe I'm thinking that hdmi patch is seen as the problem since it's 32 bit 
[12:10] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[12:21] <yofel> BluesKaj: sounds like it... what does 'dkms status' say?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> oddly the kernel seemed to build ok , dkms status : http://pastebin.com/EE8nbUhE
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yofel,^
[12:27] <BluesKaj> and uname -a shows : 3.9.0-1-generic x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 
[12:30] <BluesKaj> yofel , doesn't seem to be an issue , all seems fine , think I was concerened for no reason 
[12:31] <yofel> hm, reading the dkms logs would probably tell more, but I forgot where those were... either somwhere under /var/log or /lib/modules/ iirc...
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yofel, turns out the suspect patch is 64 bit after all , so it's something else ..I did install lsb-core and ia32-libs for google-earth previous to new kernel buld
[12:57] <yofel> BluesKaj: found the log location: /var/lib/dkms/<module>/<version>/<kernel>/<arch>/log
[12:57] <yofel> maybe that can tell you more
[12:58] <yofel> Can someone please try to explain to me how this can happen? http://paste.kde.org/740570
[12:58] <yofel> that code hasn't changed since 2009...
[12:58] <yofel> raring didn't suddenly switch compilers either
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Dunno…
[12:59] <yofel> the method is
[12:59] <yofel> bool init(const QString &configfile);
[12:59] <yofel> so the symbol is correct
[12:59] <yofel> I just don't get why it would change NOW
[12:59] <yofel> that's private so not much of an issue... I just don't get it
[13:03] <yofel> saucy debhelper is fun
[13:03] <yofel> lintian I mean
[13:03] <smartboyhw> yofel: How fun?
[13:03] <yofel> E: kde4libs source: license-problem-gfdl-invariants kdoctools/customization/el/entities/gpl-notice.docbook
[13:03] <yofel> like... 50 times
[13:04] <smartboyhw> What the hell?:P
[13:04] <yofel> correction: 113 times
[13:04] <smartboyhw> yofel: :O
[13:05] <Riddell> one for each language
[13:05] <Riddell> dudes: mgraesslin says there's abug in plasma in 4.10.3 and we probablydon't wantto release it until that's fixed
[13:05] <yofel> the one Mamarok pointed to?
[13:06] <yofel> kde 319475
[13:06] <Riddell> quite possibly
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Good, we haven't done anything on 4.10.3:P
[13:06] <yofel> well, I'm not done with it anyway. Will try to get it in a usable state so we can try it
[13:11] <yofel> ...
[13:12] <smartboyhw> yofel: … :P
[13:13] <yofel> Phonon5: kde-workspace-4.10.2/debian/libkwinglutils1abi1.symbols of your kde-workspace SRU in raring-proposed looks rather odd
[13:13] <yofel> libkwinglutils.so.1abi2 libkwinglutils1abi1 #MINVER#
[13:13] <yofel> is that 1abi1 or 1abi2 now...?
[13:15] <yofel> it won't matter for .3 as the patch is dropped again, but...
[13:17] <smartboyhw> kde 319428
[13:17] <yofel> @_@
[13:18] <smartboyhw> We need to SRU every kdepim 4.x with this, as in the mailing lists…
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:18] <shadeslayer> I was just looking at that
[13:18] <yofel> ah good
[13:18] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: \o/
[13:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: lucky you that 2 releases just went EOL :P
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hurray :P
[13:19] <smartboyhw> yofel: shadeslayer: :P
[13:29] <yofel> libnepomukextractor.so
[13:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: that had no headers, right?
[13:32] <yofel> brrrrr
[13:32] <yofel> +    class NEPOMUK_EXTRACTOR_EXPORT ExtractorPlugin : public QObject
[13:32] <yofel> -    class NEPOMUK_EXPORT ExtractorPlugin : public QObject
[13:36] <shadeslayer> nope, vHanda says it's a private header
[13:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: why?
[13:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: nah, should work, it just seemed fishy from the kdeadmin and kdepim build logs, but I guess those were old
[13:38] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[13:38] <shadeslayer> vHanda also mentioned something about that :P
[13:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: are you sure that file should be in nepomuk-core-dev though?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope, it should be in the standard normal package
[13:39]  * vHanda waves
[13:39] <shadeslayer> so I made a mistake if it's not there
[13:39] <yofel> yeah, that's what I was wondering about and went looking if something of it is public
[13:39] <yofel> I'll move it
[13:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, thanks :)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you apply https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/65d736dab592bced4410ccfa4699de89f78c96ca to the 4.10.3 packages??
[13:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: not yet, needs to be done
[13:54] <yofel> er wait
[13:54] <yofel> that bug is marked at "Fixed-in: 4.10.3", no?
[13:54] <yofel> *as
[13:55] <shadeslayer> mmm commit message doesn't say
[13:55] <shadeslayer> no "Version fixed in"
[13:55] <shadeslayer> plus it was commited 17 hours ago
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Added by Grégory Oestreicher about 17 hours ago
[13:55] <yofel> ok
[13:55] <yofel> checked git, it's not part of v4.10.3
[13:56] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll leave the 4.10.3 patching to you, and I'll upload to saucy first
[13:56] <yofel> good
[14:09] <Riddell> kde is not alone in its dislike of the SRU system http://paste.kde.org/740594/
[14:11] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: heh. Ubuntu should really reform it's SRU system.
[14:11] <smartboyhw_> Propose it to the TB
[14:13] <yofel> well, we already have several bugfix updates only in the PPAs because SRU-ing point releases is too much work
[14:13] <yofel> e.g. calligra or networkmangement
[14:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: I did
[14:14] <Riddell> there's not much that can be reformed without making it unsafe
[14:15] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Meh
[14:16] <yofel> the procedure isn't bad, really. It just requires a large amount of manpower with the current design
[14:17] <smartboyhw_> yofel, Riddell: If they can reduce needed manpower for application uploads, they can reduce needed manpower in SRUs too.
[14:17] <Riddell> aparently suse don't do updates at all, atleast so someone said in our discussion, I'm not convinced this is true
[14:17] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: How can a distribution work properly without updates?
[14:17] <smartboyhw_> SRUs…
[14:19] <Riddell> that's why I'm not convinced it's true
[14:19] <yofel> Phonon5: is there something in kubuntu-settings that you don't want to have uploaded to saucy right now?
[14:20] <yofel> I would like to get bug 1174689 fixed
[14:20] <yofel> though the changes I see in the changelog look sane to upload
[14:22] <smartboyhw_> Meh, I just realized Phonon5 is apachelogger…
[14:22] <yofel> he likes to confuse people :P
[14:22] <smartboyhw_> yofel: ;P
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1178286
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: Awesome, but aren't Lucid (desktop) supposed to EOL?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw_: yeah, but Lucid isn't approved
[14:38] <shadeslayer> so doesn't matter
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: Good Riddell denied it:)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:40]  * yofel usually approves and deletes the task after that
[14:40] <yofel> I hate how launchpad does release nominations
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Oh
[14:41] <yofel> I mean there's not even a purpose for a declined nomination, setting the release status to Won't Fix gives the same message and is more flexible
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Nice blog post.
[15:41] <Phonon5> yofel: can all go up
[15:42] <yofel> perfect
[17:14] <Peace--> Riddell: 
[17:15] <Riddell> hi Peace-- 
[17:15] <yofel> hm...
[17:15] <yofel> ~karma Peace
[17:15] <kubotu> Peace has neutral karma
[17:15] <Peace--> Riddell:  mmm maybe you can give me some advice about a voip software 
[17:16] <yofel> ah, he turned that off, right
[17:16] <yofel> laggy...
[17:16] <Peace--> Riddell: we did a shell program  to create audio conference 
[17:17] <Peace--> Riddell: but now we would like create a gui 
[17:17] <Peace--> Riddell: qml is good for that ?
[17:17] <Peace--> Riddell: btw it is written in c ...
[17:17] <Peace--> Riddell: btw it's here http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/kubuntu-kde-voip-opensource-free-for-all-done/
[17:19] <Riddell> golly
[17:21] <shadeslayer> flipping patches
[17:21] <Riddell> well aye you can use QML,but QML needs you to pick a widget toolkit and even then bits can be missing
[17:21] <Riddell> it's great if you want swipey swooshy UIs
[17:21] <Riddell> but it might be easier to use just Qt in c++ or PyQt
[17:21] <Riddell> with QWidgets
[17:23] <Peace--> ok
[17:23] <Peace--> Riddell: tx
[17:23] <Peace--> Riddell: btw if you want test this software it will be great
[17:26] <Riddell> can do but not todya I'm afraid
[17:26] <Riddell> alreayd got a million things on my task list
[17:35] <shadeslayer> alright, bug 1178286 has everything now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> do I just upload stuff now?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^
[17:36] <shadeslayer> or if anyone wants to review it
[17:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks good, upload and subscribe ubuntu-security I'd say
[17:50] <debfx> shadeslayer: only the security team can do security uploads so all you have to do is subscribe them to the bug
[17:51] <Riddell> ah, shows how long it's been since kde had a security issue
[18:05] <debfx> shadeslayer: a description of the vulnerability would be nice in the changelog
[18:25] <shadeslayer> debfx: uhhh ... I get to upload everything again ? :S
[19:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey 
[19:13] <debfx> shadeslayer: maybe just add another comment suggesting a new changelog
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:17] <jussi01> hrm, do we still have anything like netbook edition? Ive an atom based machine I need to get something installed on...
[19:18] <jussi01> mind, it also has a touch screen, so Im hoping that also works...
[19:21] <shadeslayer> jussi01: plasma-netbook
[19:21] <shadeslayer> oh and if you boot the ISO, and the screen is small, it'll start plasma-netbook
[19:22] <jussi01> shadeslayer: the tech preview of active.... is it een worth considering for something that is actually usuable? or is it really just that, a tech preview?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't recommend it really
[19:23] <shadeslayer> just install kubuntu normally and then install active
[20:07] <ahoneybun> hey shadeslayer
[20:12] <soee> hey guys so are you leaving for now 4.10.3 because of some bug ?
[20:22] <ahoneybun> I think it is just taking time for it to compile
[20:22] <ahoneybun> but I'm not sure, I'll just let the Package Team take their time :)
[20:35] <yofel> well, soee's point is partly true
[20:35] <yofel> other than that people are busy with other things
[20:44] <ahoneybun> yofel: I would think so with the just released 13.04 and work for 13.10
[21:01] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: 
[23:27] <ahoneybun> should I keep a list of things left to do for the wiki?