[07:22] <thor1> Guys are you going after mir for Qlubuntu ?
[07:25] <Unit193> That's a bit far down the road, 14.04 at the earliest.
[07:26] <thor1> Unit193 ok just curious:)
[11:43] <Anonymer89> hallo
[11:43] <Anonymer89> hello
[11:44] <Anonymer89> ich habe ein problem mit mein lubuntu 13.04
[11:45] <Anonymer89> beim start wird nicht der CPUS gestartet
[11:47] <Anonymer89> I have a problem with my lubuntu 13.04
[11:48] <Anonymer89> will not start when the service is started CPUS
[13:40] <cefency> when I install libX11 using source installation, I am getted these informatin:
[13:41] <cefency>  ./autogen.sh
[13:41] <cefency> autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
[13:41] <cefency> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
[13:41] <cefency> autoreconf: running: aclocal -I m4
[13:41] <cefency> autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
[13:41] <cefency> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Libtool
[13:42] <cefency> but I don't understand
[17:38] <GelH> >
[17:40] <GelH> I have a problem since 13.04, the nvidia card freezes the system on launching seamonkey (also sometimes FF & Tbird)
[17:48] <GelH> ping
[19:20] <mikeconcepts> If anyone here has anything to do with the Pentium M survey, please count me as voting yes, the survey closed already.
[19:27] <phillw> mikeconcepts: thanks for taking the interest, we are still discussing how best to assist people with Pentium M's.
[19:28] <mikeconcepts> phillw, thanks, means something to me
[19:31] <phillw> mikeconcepts: just so as you know you are not ignored, we have a draft for lubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE which feeds into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE as always with lubuntu, we fight like siblings.
[19:32] <phillw> We will have a resolution worked out. Which will be the offer of all the ways to sort the issue out.
[19:32] <mikeconcepts> phillw, awesome, thanks again
[19:59] <balloon1> how do i make a lubuntu bootstick
[20:00] <holstein> balloon1: i use a lubuntu iso and unetbootin
[20:00] <balloon1> awsum :>
[20:01] <Slit> Hi! What would happened if I uninstall PCmanFM? I would like to use instead xfm. If I do that, how would I start xfm
[20:01] <holstein> Slit: i would just use xfm. no need to remove anything in order to do that
[20:02] <Slit> @holstein. I would like for my lubuntu to be even lighter
[20:02] <holstein> Slit: lighter? or take up less hard drive space?
[20:02] <holstein> Slit: the "lightness" will not be affected by removing pcmanfm.. and its *quite* small
[20:03] <Slit> less hard and less cpu and ram...
[20:03] <holstein> Slit: then, you can leave it in place
[20:04] <Slit> how much hard pcman use
[20:04] <holstein> otherwise, you can remove it just as you would remove anything else.. though, i would be cautious of dependencies and what else is "expecting" pcmanfm
[20:04] <holstein> Slit: i would just open a package manager and check.. it will be *quite* small
[20:05] <Slit> yes that was my question, maybe to much dependencies, meaning, no abiword ...
[20:06] <holstein> Slit: i would just set it up to be removed, and read about what all is being removed with it... if that looks like its unacceptable, i would leave it in place, since the hard drive space its taking up is, as i said, quite small, and resources when its not in use are irrelevant
[20:07] <Slit> maybe to risky, better to try in virtual machine
[20:08] <holstein> balloon1: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows here is a guide for doing it from windows
[20:08] <holstein> Slit: risky? its just a file manager.. just have good backups (as you should regardless, since whatever hardware you are using *will* fail) and no how to revert.. how to reinstall the filemanger and set the default filemanager
[20:09] <holstein> if you are asking me "how would you use another filemanger?"... i would just use it, and not bother with removing anything.. its likely quite small the space you would reclain
[20:09] <holstein> reclaim*
[20:11] <Slit> @holstein: I am new to linux, so wouldn't be cool to see my self in command line mode :-)
[20:11] <holstein> Slit: in synaptic, when i search "pcmanfm" the size is 1378 kB
[20:11] <holstein> Slit: removing pcmanfm to "save space" on the hard drive is not constructive
[20:12] <Slit> yes 1378 kb, but with dependencies?
[20:12] <holstein> Slit: if you are new to linux, then just use the version of linux you have "as-is" for a while.. get used to the defaults
[20:12] <holstein> Slit: lubuntu is one of the lighter distros, and switching from pcmanfm will *not* reclaim much for you
[20:12] <holstein> Slit: lets say it gets you 20mb of hard drive space?
[20:12] <holstein> Slit: whats that matter?
[20:13] <holstein> thats nothing...
[20:13] <Slit> true :-) better to lear a bit, but I will try in vm
[20:13] <Slit> :-)
[20:14] <holstein> Slit: i see "After this operation, 6,789 kB disk space will be freed." when i run "sudo apt-get autoremove pcmanfm"
[20:14] <holstein> Slit: run it where you like.. but its *not* going to be a contructive way of re-distributing resources
[20:14] <holstein> you will free up about 8mb of hard drive space... best case.. assuming you dont "break" anything in the process
[20:15] <holstein> or, you can just install the other filemanger and use it, and you please
[20:15] <Slit> :-) It's nothing :-) but whay is lubunut a bit big 500 MB, or so
[20:15] <holstein> Slit: "big" is a matter of opinion
[20:15] <holstein> !minimal
[20:16] <holstein> Slit: i suggest installing from that ^^ which is around 30mb.. then, you can add just what you want and build your own ubuntu based install from scratch
[20:16] <Slit> look at slitaz, very small and very fast, the fastes for me... Don't like this upgrade from internet... slow network for me
[20:16] <holstein> Slit: at the end of doing these for myself, i usually find that i end up with something resembling lubuntu in size
[20:17] <Slit> http://www.slitaz.org/en/
[20:17] <holstein> Slit: i have used slitaz.. if i want slitaz, i use slitaz
[20:17] <Slit> I would use Slitaz, but no drivers for my 3g modem and no support for my letters čć
[20:18] <holstein> Slit: those drivers take up space.. *everything* is a compromise
[20:18] <Slit> and it is not ubuntu based
[20:18] <Slit> I don't like compromise :-)
[20:18] <holstein> Slit: that support takes up space
[20:18] <Slit> that's not good...
[20:19] <holstein> Slit: all of this code is open.. you are free to build your own
[20:19] <holstein> Slit: its actually quite good.. there are differnt things for different default purposes
[20:19] <holstein> if you want to "hack" at slitaz, and add the things that are missing for you, im sure you can
[20:19] <Slit> what you mena build for your own, I am no good in programming
[20:20] <holstein> if you want to remove some things from lubuntu, you can, and are welcome to do so.. or make your own from minimal
[20:20] <holstein> Slit: then, if you are "no good in programming"... you'll need to go with something set up for you.. if lubuntu is a good fit, try it out
[20:21] <Slit> It is funny, I would like UI of lubuntu but speed of Slitaz or Bodhi linux
[20:21] <holstein> Slit: you can run LXDE in bodhi or slitaz
[20:21] <holstein> Slit: i would /join an appropriate slitaz of bodhi support avenue and ask about installing lxde
[20:22] <Slit> In bodhi?
[20:22] <holstein> in bodhi is should be "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[20:22] <holstein> Slit: correct.. in bodhi linux, where you can install lxde, the ui from lubuntu
[20:22] <Slit> I once instale lxde on ubuntu, but look is different in lubuntu, why. what I am missing
[20:23] <holstein> Slit: you can configure lxde (or anything) as you want.. lubuntu has customized lxde for the distro... what are you missing? you are running ubuntu with lxde.. not lubuntu
[20:23] <Slit> it is, your right for bodhi
[20:24] <Slit> no, lubunut... i once instaled on ubuntu
[20:24] <holstein> Slit: correct
[20:24] <holstein> Slit: you installed ubuntu, and added lxde.. and it "looked different".. and that is why.. that ubuntu with lxde added.. not lubuntu.. lubuntu has a customized lxde setup
[20:24] <Slit> I will try bodhi in lxde
[20:24] <holstein> you can mimic (or straight up steal) the config from lubuntu if you like
[20:25] <holstein> Slit: you will try lxde in bodhi
[20:25] <Slit> yes, lubuntu is "nicer"
[20:25] <balloon1> awsum++
[20:25] <holstein> Slit: "nicer" is a matter of opinion
[20:25] <Slit> that is why I ad " "
[20:25] <holstein> Slit: its *all* open, and you are able to, and encouraged to grab what you like
[20:26] <Slit> would do. Is it true that E17 is faster then lxde?
[20:26] <holstein> Slit: no desktop environment is really "faster".. the hardware is what it is.. and cannont be made faster by a desktop environment.. but, some can be less resource intensive, and "seem" faster, or be more responsive
[20:27] <holstein> Slit: lxde is, from what i find, better supported.. and i prefer it to E17... is E17 faster? seemed similar to LXDE to me
[20:28] <Slit> for me e17 is responsive
[20:28] <Unit193> Fluxbox. :D
[20:28] <holstein> the speed is not why i would run LXDE vs E17... for me, its because i finde LXDE easier to deal with, and configure
[20:28] <holstein> Slit: you can install E17 in ubuntu if you like
[20:29] <Slit> i have old computer, celleron cpu, and you can tell a difference... yes obviously you can install it...
[20:30] <holstein> Slit: i see not much difference in responsiveness on any of my hardware.. celerons and others.. but you can run what you like
[20:31] <Slit> i realy see, maybe it is sometnihg different. Don' t know wha it is. Ubuntu is heavy comparing with xp
[20:31] <Slit> on my comp
[20:31] <holstein> Slit: try not comparing them
[20:31] <Slit> why?
[20:31] <holstein> Slit: its not the goal of ubuntu to be "lighter" on your hardware than xp
[20:32] <holstein> it is what it is.. and the issue, assuming there is an issue, could be to do with hardware driver support
[20:32] <Slit> I know it isn't
[20:32] <holstein> plus, xp is quite old, and arguably more appropriate for older hardware than software created a few months ago
[20:33] <holstein> can you find a linux distro to run comfortably on your hardware? likely.. can that be lubuntu? very likely
[20:33] <Slit> yes it is old xp, but ubuntu has a "voice" of being good for old computers
[20:34] <holstein> Slit: lubuntu does.. ubuntu makes no such claims.. also, lubuntu is dealing with the kernel, and other main ubuntu packages as they are
[20:34] <Slit> I meant lubuntu
[20:36] <holstein> i usually start with the graphics driver support. i usually just try live CD's til i find something that generally supports my hardware
[20:37] <holstein> these days, hardware is so resonably priced, i dont waste too much time on p3's and celerons.. but, when i did, puppy linux was a go-to for testing as well as lubuntu... and other diagnostic live CD's
[20:37] <Slit> Your right holstein.... I have to say good by for know, my family meber needs computer for half an houer.... I will come back on Bodhi... s
[20:37] <Slit> :-)
[20:38] <holstein> Slit: enjoy
[20:38] <Slit> See you maybe in 30 min...