[09:42] <lonnie> I have programming experience in c# and windows, but my favorite programming language is JavaScript. I'm trying to figure out how to get into programming for Ubuntu.
[09:42] <lonnie> I tried glade and quickly today, but I've heard we a moving more to qt
[09:42] <lonnie> I tried messing with qt quick2 today
[09:42] <lonnie> I liked the idea of it, because it has javascript in it.
[09:43] <lonnie> But it was its seemed hard then quickly-glade.
[09:44] <lonnie> quickly-glade was cool, cause it created a ubuntu looking application right off the bat.
[09:45] <lonnie> I wish there was a javascipted based thing like quickly, that would give me an ubuntu looking application right off the bat, and then I use javascript to create the GUI.
[09:45] <lonnie> Anything like this?
[09:45] <dpm> hi lonnie, unfortunately, there isn't anything like that
[09:46] <dpm> but if you like js, I'd recommend you to stick to the Ubuntu SDK (i.e. Qt Quick 2)
[09:46] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[09:46] <lonnie> Ok, I guess need to try a little harder to figure out qt Quick 2
[09:47] <lonnie> Can I create desktop application with that as well?
[09:47] <dpm> lonnie, have a look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app - this should help you get started
[09:47] <lonnie> ok
[09:48] <dpm> lonnie, yeah, the apps that you create with the Ubuntu SDK run both on the desktop and mobile devices. You don't have to do anything special, this works out of the box, it's pretty cool
[09:48] <lonnie> With Qt Quick, I could potentially create an application that would run on phone, tablet, and desktop?
[09:48] <lonnie> ok
[09:48] <dpm> indeed, not just potentially, but for real :)
[09:49] <lonnie> Well, I've programmed some pretty tough stuff before in c#, so if I spend time on Qt Quick, a little each day I'm bound to figure it out.
[09:50] <lonnie> Now, with Qt Quick 2, I'd be making the UI with javascript, and I'd do python on the back end right?
[09:50] <lonnie> python had a lot in common with javascript, I like it but don't know it well yet.
[09:51] <lonnie> I've never written anything ind c++, my first language was ASP scripting  then c# was my first object-oriented language.
[09:51] <lonnie> I've done just a little python scripting in Autokey-qt
[09:52] <lonnie> and I know php, but like I say I'm best at javascript..... I'll read the links you've provided. Thank you.
[10:22] <lonnie> when I follow the tutorial for creating the qml app, it says to hit ctrl-n in qt create then Select the Projects > Ubuntu > Ubuntu UI – Simple template and click Choose…
[10:22] <lonnie> But, for, that project is not listed it only says Ubuntu Touch, Applications, Libraries, Other Projects, Non-Qt Project, and Import Project
[10:39] <dpm> lonnie, sorry, I was in another conversation. Let me have a look
[10:40] <dpm> lonnie, use "Ubuntu Touch"
[11:17] <lonnie> Turns out there was bug in that tutorial: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1158246
[11:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1158246 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tutorial code needs to be updated to use the latest UITK version" [High,In progress]
[11:17] <lonnie> There was a solution that fixed it in the report, though.
[11:18] <lonnie> This is awful hard to get started with. I'm use to Visual Studio and this qt creator's intelisense isn't work a crap so far.
[11:19] <lonnie> I'm trying to survey what control I can add in qml, but I'm having difficulty finding a list of them and all their properties that must be set.
[11:20] <lonnie> when I type import Ubuntu.Components.     I'd expect it to list all components.
[11:20] <lonnie> (after hitting that last dot)
[11:21] <lonnie> I'm amazed that you guys are developing on this.
[11:22] <lonnie> The ide doesn't spoon feed you that much at all.
[11:29] <lonnie> cool, I just stumbled upon the Ubuntu UI Kit tool gallery.
[11:36] <lonnie> I didn't see any grid controls or tables. I need to display data in a table, and don't see a control for that
[11:55] <dpm> lonnie, there isn't one yet, but when we've got it, it'll appear in the API docs and on the design guides http://design.ubuntu.com/apps
[11:56] <dpm> code completion for the SDK components in Qt Creator is not implemented yet, but IIRC I think I saw it's being worked on in a bug report
[11:57] <dpm> ah, there it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1155795
[11:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1155795 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Active completion in Qt Creator does not work for Ubuntu components" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[20:02] <sevenbit> I'm running into a lot of instability in QtCreator, is this the right place to seek help?
[20:23] <lonnie> sevenbit, I too have issues with QtCreator; it is a mess for me.
[22:05] <yayLINUX> i have a question: When I want to start developping apps with monodevelop in ubuntu 13.04 it says this when I make the project: Error while trying to load the project '/home/christiaan/Bureaublad/test/test/test/test.vbproj': Project does not support framework '.NETFramework,Version=v4.0'
[22:06] <yayLINUX> anyone?
[22:07] <stqn> sounds fun
[22:07] <yayLINUX> ofcourse
[22:07] <yayLINUX> do you have nay idea?
[22:07] <yayLINUX> any*
[22:07] <stqn> I can’t help. Sorry.
[22:08] <yayLINUX> :(
[22:08] <stqn> I supposed you’ve already googled for the error message .)
[22:08] <stqn> -d
[22:08] <yayLINUX> okay
[22:08] <yayLINUX> I think I see a solution
[22:09] <yayLINUX> I think i need to compile version 3.0.6
[22:09] <yayLINUX> which can probably handle 4.0
[22:09] <yayLINUX> oh no
[22:09] <yayLINUX> I see it
[22:09] <yayLINUX> ...
[22:09] <yayLINUX> the version in the repo is just old...
[22:09] <yayLINUX> instead of the .net framework
[22:10] <yayLINUX> The latest stable release is MonoDevelop 4.0.1. See the Release Notes.
[22:10] <yayLINUX> 3.0.x is in the repoś
[22:15] <stqn> using .net is just evil anyway