| TheLordOfTime | wow, i'm a tad confused.. the lshw source seems to build both universe *and* main packages, unless I'm missing something... but just to make sure I'm not hallucinating, the lshw-gtk package, part of the lshw source package, is a Universe package and not a main package, so it's maintained by the community instead of the developers right? | 01:15 |
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| micahg | TheLordOfTime: if it's to be fixed, yes | 01:19 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: the source is in main though | 01:19 |
| micahg | source in main, binary in universe means no official support for the binary | 01:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg: so then bugs which are about the lshw-gtk package would be repaired by the community and basically left to rot by the devs unless it affects the lshw package in main | 01:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | right? | 01:19 |
| micahg | not necessarily left to rot, but you're free to fix them if you like :) | 01:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's what i thought | 01:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | mind answering the person in -bugs then? | 01:20 |
| micahg | you're free to fix stuff in main too if you want, | 01:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | you can explain it's a universe package and not maintained by the devs. :P | 01:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg: indeed, i'm asking because of a question in -bugs that threw me for a loop xD | 01:20 |
| * TheLordOfTime was a tad confused by the question, hence asking here | 01:21 | |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: not maintained is a misnomer, Canonical provides support for stuff in main for a period of time | 01:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg: you can explain it better | 01:21 |
| micahg | the support can be of varying degrees | 01:21 |
| micahg | not everything in main is actively maintained | 01:22 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: you have a UTC time on the question? | 01:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg: yeah, active discussion | 01:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | ~20 minutes ago | 01:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | to now | 01:23 |
| ScottK | TheLordOfTime: Universe means not maintained by Canonical. There's plenty of developers that aren't Canonical. Ubuntu != Canonical. | 01:55 |
| micahg | ScottK: universe means not officially supported by Canonical, there's no implication about maintenance even for stuff in main | 01:58 |
| ScottK | Right. | 01:58 |
| ScottK | "it's a universe package and not maintained by the devs" is just plain wrong though. | 01:58 |
| micahg | right | 01:58 |
| mitya57 | TheLordOfTime: I've a couple of nginx questions for you | 05:51 |
| mitya57 | * the debian/conf/sites-available/default changes don't look like ubuntu-specific, did you submit those to debian? | 05:52 |
| mitya57 | * do we really need ubuntu branding? :) | 05:53 |
| mitya57 | it's basically about | 05:55 |
| mitya57 | -#define NGINX_VERSION "1.2.6" | 05:55 |
| mitya57 | +#define NGINX_VERSION "1.2.6 (Ubuntu)" | 05:55 |
| ScottK | Personally, I think such changes are ridiculous. | 06:13 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: to my knowledge I didn't submit those... | 06:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | but... | 06:16 |
| * TheLordOfTime digs around in the bugs list | 06:16 | |
| mitya57 | ok, I'll submit the s/ipv6_only/ipv6only/ change to bts (the only relevant bit in debian/conf/sites-available/default), and then we'll be to just sync the new version | 06:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | hang on a sec | 06:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | will ya? | 06:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | rather than just saying "OK"... | 06:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | i think i sawa bug that needed those changes | 06:17 |
| * TheLordOfTime double checks | 06:17 | |
| mitya57 | looks like the history was: | 06:17 |
| mitya57 | - we added ipv6_only | 06:17 |
| mitya57 | - we fixed it to be ipv6only | 06:17 |
| mitya57 | - debian added wrong ipv6_only | 06:17 |
| TheLordOfTime | ignoring the history | 06:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | and reading the ACTIVE LP bugs | 06:19 |
| * TheLordOfTime sighs | 06:19 | |
| TheLordOfTime | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1174158 | 06:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174158 in nginx (Ubuntu) "Nginx fails to start on 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | the "runfix" for that bug is the "ubuntu branding" | 06:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | TBPH i don't like nginx-extras. | 06:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i'll spare you my tirade of why i hate it because that requires swearing | 06:20 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: i'm going to assume that zul didn't bother to mark it as "This fixes bug [blah]" | 06:21 |
| TheLordOfTime | but 1.2.x is behind 1.4.x so they may have redone things that I'm not aware of. | 06:22 |
| * TheLordOfTime yawns | 06:22 | |
| TheLordOfTime | but it's 02:22 here, and i'm tired, so i'm not going to be coherent much longer | 06:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: i dropped zul an email, if the ubuntu branding is all that's changed as a runfix for 1174158 then that needs to stay | 06:22 |
| TheLordOfTime | but... in tweaked form | 06:23 |
| mitya57 | ok, I'll add a bug reference and keep that for now | 06:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | I.E. drop the changes as is, sync/update, then readd in the branding. and possibly fix errors in the defaults. | 06:23 |
| ScottK | TheLordOfTime: Or just drop the branding and count being able to sync as a win. | 06:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK: true. | 06:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK: until a regression of 1174158 shows up then I start banging my head on the keyboard | 06:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... did I mention I hate the nginx-extras package? | 06:24 |
| ScottK | The goal is to be in sync with Debian and silly things like adding Ubuntu to the version string are NOT a reason to diverge. | 06:24 |
| ScottK | It might have come up. | 06:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | (also agreed) | 06:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK: my goal is similar with the nginx stable PPA... ... which this discussion JUST reminded me I should triple check for regressions against... | 06:25 |
| TheLordOfTime | ScottK: keep it in line with Debian as much as I can | 06:25 |
| TheLordOfTime | but... sometimes some minor changes had to be done to fix that for, say, Lucid, or for my own botched patchfixes. | 06:26 |
| mitya57 | TheLordOfTime: actually it seems that "runfix for bug 1174158" is removing the "(Ubuntu)" part | 06:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1174158 in nginx (Ubuntu) "Nginx fails to start on 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174158 | 06:26 |
| mitya57 | (at least according to comment 5) | 06:26 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... okay, i'm seriously off, before i pass out on my keyboard and end up with a reverse image of my keyboard keys on my face when i wake up. | 06:26 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: oh duh, misread. | 06:27 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: then wth is zul doing... | 06:27 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: can you relay to zul that by adding in ubuntu branding they're CAUSING 1174158, and if we keep the branding they break everything? | 06:27 |
| TheLordOfTime | not to mention asking them WHY we need ubuntu branding in nginx anyways, especially since universe? | 06:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... okay, and now i'm off. | 06:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | (messages will be logged) | 06:28 |
| mitya57 | zul is not here, and I agree that we should just drop that patch | 06:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | ... oh and i should probably assign that bug to me and prep a fix for it tomorrow... | 06:29 |
| ScottK | Yeah. Just drop it. | 06:29 |
| ScottK | Then prepare an SRU for 13.04. | 06:29 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's the plan! | 06:31 |
| * TheLordOfTime is assigning the bug to himself as we speak | 06:31 | |
| * mitya57 has pushed his merge to lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/saucy/nginx/1.4.1 | 06:36 | |
| TheLordOfTime | done. now... SLEEP TIME. | 06:36 |
| TheLordOfTime | </off> | 06:36 |
| dpm | Hi MOTUs, I'd like to get a package for a personal project into Universe. I've read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Going_through_MOTU and I've got a couple of questions if someone is around to give me a hand | 09:44 |
| dpm | The first one being "When you start to work on a new package, assign the needs-packaging bug to yourself and set it In Progress (if there is no needs-packaging bug, file one" <- where do I file such a bug? | 09:44 |
| dpm | my package is in a PPA, and I'm wondering how I can bring it to the MOTUs attention to get it reviewed and uploaded to the archive | 09:45 |
| jtaylor | dpm: the preferred way to get it into the archive is over debian | 09:50 |
| jtaylor | would it be useful in debian too? | 09:51 |
| dpm | thanks jtaylor, indeed, I read the wiki. However, it has some Ubuntu-specific dependencies, but it will take me a while to remove them for Debian, so I thought in the meantime it would be useful to at least have it in Ubuntu | 09:51 |
| dpm | and to answer the question, yes, I think it'd be useful in Debian as well, but as I say it requires some work | 09:52 |
| dpm | brb | 09:52 |
| Laney | dpm: File the bug on "Ubuntu" | 09:55 |
| Laney | and you can just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug to get it looked at | 09:56 |
| Laney | you should probably address the debian question up front though, so you don't have to answer it again | 09:56 |
| dpm | ok, cool, thanks Laney | 10:02 |
| dpm | another question: once it's in the archive, I'd like to backport it to at least Precise. Would that be possible? Is there anything else to bear in mind regarding backporting? | 10:03 |
| Laney | should be easy but you'll have to backport to Q and R too, to maintain an upgrade path for users upgrading that way | 10:10 |
| dpm | Laney, that should not be a problem, I'd prefer to have backports to all stable releases anyway | 10:17 |
| dpm | well, P, Q, R | 10:18 |
| Laney | cool | 10:18 |
| dpm | Laney, hm, the +filebug package redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs - is there a better project I can file the bug against? Or I guess I can just file it against my app's project and then retarget to 'ubuntu'? | 10:20 |
| dpm | sorry, I meant the lp.net/ubuntu/+filebug *page | 10:21 |
| Laney | dpm: it should work if you append ?no-redirect to the filebug URL (that ReportingBugs page should say that somewhere, but it is a wall of text) | 10:23 |
| Laney | or retargeting probably works too | 10:23 |
| Laney | I swear the newpackages page used to have a link for that | 10:23 |
| * Laney edits it | 10:23 | |
| dpm | ah, yeah, ?no-redirect did the trick, thanks! | 10:25 |
| Laney | aha | 10:27 |
| Laney | it does link in one place but not the other | 10:27 |
| dpm | Laney, ok. Does bug 1178202 look ok? | 10:39 |
| ubottu | bug 1178202 in Ubuntu "Request to include Qreator into Universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178202 | 10:39 |
| Laney | dpm: Looks good - perhaps provide a direct link to the .dsc you want to be sponsored | 10:42 |
| dpm | done, thanks Laney! | 10:44 |
| Laney | np | 10:44 |
| Laney | if you don't get any bites in a few days, ping me and I'll look | 10:44 |
| dpm | excellent, thanks | 10:44 |
| jtaylor | I noticed one of my packages was transitioned from guile 1.6 to guile 1.8 | 14:17 |
| jtaylor | there is also a guile 2.0 | 14:17 |
| jtaylor | someone know if I can just use that? | 14:17 |
| jtaylor | hm news lists no backward incompatible things | 14:19 |
| jtaylor | hm using 2.0 makes autoreconf fail, 1.8 it is | 14:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | can someone approve Raring on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1174158 so that we can set the Raring status separate from the Saucy status? | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174158 in nginx (Ubuntu) "Nginx fails to start on 13.04" [Medium,In progress] | 17:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57's handling a merge that might fix the bug for Saucy. | 17:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i'm SRUing a fix for Raring. | 17:24 |
| jtaylor | did you get an answer why zul did this weird branding | 17:30 |
| * mitya57 didn't | 17:31 | |
| jtaylor | the second time Ive seen zul screw something up with a pointless change ._. | 17:31 |
| TheLordOfTime | jtaylor: no answer whatsoever via email | 17:32 |
| TheLordOfTime | might I recommend a reeducation in why you don't do pointless changes? | 17:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | well, regardless (i typed without thinking! o.O) i'd like to get a debdiff up for it | 17:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | but i'm curious whether this happens in Saucy | 17:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | (and if it DOES, the bug needs to be handled separately for it, from Raring) | 17:33 |
| mdeslaur | it's not pointless, it allows tracking market share, which is important | 17:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: it also breaks nginx-extras | 17:34 |
| mdeslaur | the fact that it's broken is unrelated to the fact that it's pointless or not | 17:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: by adding ubuntu branding to the nginx software, it introduces bugs | 17:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: jtaylor called it pointless, not me | 17:34 |
| * TheLordOfTime was using their words | 17:34 | |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: regardless, the fix is to drop the patch which introduced the branding, and I"ve got a debdiff ready for that for raring. | 17:35 |
| jtaylor | mdeslaur: that should be stated in the changelog then | 17:35 |
| mdeslaur | TheLordOfTime: that's not a proper fix | 17:35 |
| jtaylor | its not obvious | 17:35 |
| jtaylor | + actually tested ... | 17:35 |
| mdeslaur | jtaylor: what's not obvious? | 17:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: then state a proper fix | 17:35 |
| jtaylor | not to anyone here | 17:35 |
| mitya57 | there can be no other fix for raring except just removing that patch | 17:36 |
| TheLordOfTime | agreed with mitya57 | 17:37 |
| mdeslaur | that's nonsense | 17:37 |
| jtaylor | if its important enough to use market share counter why is it not in main? | 17:38 |
| jtaylor | universe can'T really provide good security support | 17:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | if i remember right there was a discussion last UDS about whether it should be included in main | 17:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | i don't remember what that discussion concluded though | 17:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | s/last/in a previous/ | 17:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | given it's still in Universe i think the discussion of adding it to main went nowhere | 17:39 |
| mdeslaur | TheLordOfTime: doesn't the fix stated in the bug work? | 17:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | on which comment? | 17:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | there's two fixes proposed | 17:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | one in comment 5 and one in comment 7 | 17:40 |
| mdeslaur | #5 just reverts it, #7 fixes it properly | 17:40 |
| mdeslaur | (has to be tested though) | 17:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | mdeslaur: i'll test-build in a PPA of mine, and then ask the bug to test it | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | if that fixes it, i'll debdiff #7's fix | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | if it does NOT fix it, then i'll be back here reaffirming dropping the branding patch is the fix | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | s/bug/people affected by the bug/ | 17:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | boy, i'm sucking at typing today... | 17:41 |
| mitya57 | if you want to push your "proper fix" to SRU, we first need to get that into saucy | 17:42 |
| mitya57 | (read: test the debdiff and point me to it so that I can update my branch) | 17:42 |
| TheLordOfTime | mitya57: if and only if it works will i dump the #7 debdiff onto the bug (and you'll have access to it) | 17:43 |
| TheLordOfTime | granted it'll be written for raring but... | 17:43 |
| * TheLordOfTime yawns | 17:43 | |
| TheLordOfTime | first, coffee. | 17:43 |
| TheLordOfTime | and regardless, can we get the Raring nomination approved? | 17:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | since this needs fixing in two releases. | 17:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | oop i missed the update | 17:45 |
| * TheLordOfTime kicks his emial | 17:45 | |
| mitya57 | maybe infinity can approve it | 17:46 |
| * mitya57 facepalms | 17:47 | |
| jtaylor | hm got this mail: pyzmq_2.2.0.1-2_armhf.changes rejected | 18:05 |
| jtaylor | Rejected: | 18:05 |
| jtaylor | Server said: | 18:05 |
| jtaylor | nothing more | 18:05 |
| jtaylor | what does that mean? | 18:05 |
| jtaylor | also why do I get a mail for that from ubuntu? I uploaded in debian | 18:06 |
| jtaylor | hm https://launchpadlibrarian.net/139498554/upload_4564002_log.txt | 18:07 |
| mitya57 | looks like a failed sync | 18:18 |
| mitya57 | ah, I see that failure @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyzmq/2.2.0.1-2/+build/4564002 | 18:19 |
| jtaylor | I wonder if I just got the mail because I'm in motu or will every debian maintainer get that? | 18:19 |
| mitya57 | jtaylor: do you have a "retry" button there? | 18:19 |
| jtaylor | (I was not subscribed to the package until now, so thats not it) | 18:20 |
| jtaylor | mitya57: yes, I'll leave it for a bitmaybe someone wants to investigate | 18:21 |
| mitya57 | there were some cases where random DDs were receiving mails about Ubuntu failures (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036374.html) | 18:25 |
| mitya57 | but that should be fixed now | 18:25 |
| jtaylor | the bug is still in progress | 18:26 |
| jtaylor | its probably it, thx | 18:26 |
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