[00:00] <crhrabal> anyone successfully put ubuntu touch onto kindle fire?
[03:44] <almejo> Hello everyone
[03:44] <almejo> I am here for a few questions
[03:44] <almejo> can someone help me?
[03:46] <almejo> I am following te instructions on http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[03:46] <almejo> then I started qtcreator
[03:47] <almejo> and then, in the example tutorial it says that i have to create new Ubuntu -> Ubuntu UI project.. but that option is not present on my qt creator
[03:47] <almejo> some tips??
[09:04] <patrik_> how to create ubuntu touch tablet mg
[09:05] <patrik_> can any one help
[09:06] <patrik_> how to create ubuntu touch img
[09:22] <patr> how to make ubuntu touch img
[09:23] <popey> patr: hi
[09:23] <popey> patr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting describes how to port Ubuntu Touch to other devices
[09:25] <user82> does anyone know how the status of "whosthere" currently is? https://launchpad.net/whosthere
[09:26] <user82> or does the dev happen to be here...i once saw hin in a ubuntu channel?
[09:29] <popey> gehre.matthias@gmail.com is them..
[09:30] <user82> seems like he is offline. but i query'd him
[09:31] <user82> if ubuntu touch is really ready and whosthere too i might use it starting june
[09:33] <popey> you could email him to get an update on the status?
[09:34] <user82> i am quite sure he was in irc. probably US-person and sleeping now
[09:34] <user82> https://launchpad.net/~m-gehre
[09:34] <user82> IRC:
[09:34] <user82>     matge on irc.freenode.net
[09:35] <popey> Based in Texas it seems.
[09:37] <user82> so he is quite asleep now. i will wait for a while and email him if he does not appear online within 2 days
[09:38] <popey> user82: he's not been in here since March 29th
[09:39] <user82> oh you can look that up..i forgot
[09:39] <user82> then email
[10:25] <PPOS-BAR> hi, i've a little prob with version 119 :
[10:25] <PPOS-BAR> List of devices attached
[10:25] <PPOS-BAR> ????????????	no permissions
[10:25] <PPOS-BAR> i can't use adb root adb shell or adb reboot ?!
[10:48] <nik90> dpm: I just saw this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1178148
[10:49]  * dpm looks
[10:49] <nik90> dpm: Is this how it is done in other projects? Are numbers usually translated?
[10:51] <dpm> nik90, they are usually not. However, the reason they are not marked as translatable is because the underlying locale settings take care of displaying the right format. The thing is, I'm not sure how this is taken care of in Qt
[10:51] <dpm> tsdgeos, do you happen to know? ^^
[10:52] <nik90> dpm: I will also have a look into the qt docs to see if they support such locale settings
[10:53] <dpm> nik90, cool. Some of this should apply: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-internationalization.html#8-use-locale-to-extend-localization-features - the only thing to bear in mind is that we're not using Qt's native i18n system. We use gettext in the SDK's i18n.tr() calls
[10:54] <dpm> but Qt.Locale should still work
[10:56] <dpm> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qml-qtquick2-locale.html
[10:56] <nik90> dpm: yeah just saw the last link
[10:56] <nik90> so I could use something like "The value is: " + Number(23443.34).toLocaleString(Qt.locale())
[10:57] <Jama_> Hey.
[10:59] <nik90> dpm: I will create a MP removing the i18n.tr() calls from the numbers and replacing them with Qt.locale() calls.
[10:59] <tsdgeos> dpm: qlocale should handle that yeah
[10:59] <tsdgeos> not sure about the 0 stuff for arabic locales though
[10:59] <tsdgeos> but that's what it's there for
[10:59] <Laney> hello! I need some ui-toolkit advice. I'm just poking around to learn all this stuff.
[11:00] <nik90> tsdgeos: is this syntax correct Number(23443.34).toLocaleString(Qt.locale())
[11:00] <Laney> I have a ListView filled with Standards. I'm trying to give them icons which are populated from jpegs on the internets that have varying dimensions. It looks weird that they're not all square - what's the best way to crop them to be so?
[11:01] <tsdgeos> nik90: haven't done much locale use in qml sorry, can't tell :/
[11:02] <user82> maybe this is a stupid question but is it easy to adopt the lockscreen color?
[11:02] <nik90> tsdgeos: no prob, I will get this in and test it with users.
[11:02] <user82> with easy i mean: settings not rom modding
[11:03] <dpm> nik90, I haven't done much locale-related stuff in QML, either, but from the example in the docs, it looks sensible
[11:04] <dpm> kaleo, jppiiroinen, perhaps you can help Laney with his question? ^^
[11:05] <Laney> in fact it could be possible that no resizing is taking place at all
[11:05] <kaleo> Laney: what version of qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin do you have?
[11:05] <kaleo> Laney: apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin
[11:05] <Laney> kaleo: 0.1.43 (saucy)
[11:06] <kaleo> Laney: that issue you are seeing should be fixed with a later version
[11:06] <kaleo> Laney: try installing https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa
[11:06] <Laney> k
[11:07] <Laney> can that get published for saucy too? :-)
[11:07] <dpm> tsdgeos, also, while we're at it, we spoke a few days ago about using standaloneMonthName and you mentioned it wasn't working as expected and you proposed a fix upstream. How's that coming along? Do you have a link to the bug report or the branch you submitted upstream to keep track of it?
[11:07] <tsdgeos> dpm: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,54214
[11:08] <tsdgeos> fixed for 5.1
[11:08] <tsdgeos> you can ping Mirv if you want it backported in our 5.0.2 packages i guess
[11:08] <dpm> cool, thanks tsdgeos!
[11:10] <Laney> kaleo: yes! looks excellent now, thank you
[11:11] <kaleo> dpm: Laney: that's the way we like it :)
[11:11] <dpm> :-)
[11:12] <Laney> https://ubuntuone.com/5lsRZ3ePOOhKErbBuiRZHp
[11:12] <dpm> That looks pretty awesome, looking forward to see the app :)
[11:14] <dpm> Laney, feel free to add it to the list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection - we're collecting cool apps that are being written with the SDK there
[11:14] <Laney> sure - hopefully will get it minimally usable shortly
[11:14] <Laney> It's only a bit of a playground so that I can figure this stuff out before moving to work on settings stuff
[11:16] <Laney> dear qt creator, please to be detecting my nexus 7, love laney
[11:20] <popey> Laney: what image are you running on your n7?
[11:20] <Laney> yesterday
[11:20] <popey> 118?
[11:20] <Laney> how do i find out?
[11:21] <popey> adb shell grep JENKINS /system/ubuntu_stamp
[11:21] <popey> JENKINS_BUILD=119
[11:22] <Laney> 116 but nm, had to do the kill/start-server dance
[11:23] <popey> really not sure about the new layout of the devices tab in qtcreator
[11:23] <popey> tabs in the middle of ths screen, oriented sideways
[11:23] <popey> makey no sense
[11:24] <Laney> that ui could do with a bit of work
[11:24] <popey> hmm, latest qt update seems to have broken all the collections apps
[11:24] <Laney> works though
[11:26] <kaleo> Mirv: you around?
[11:27] <popey> he's on vacation today, national holiday
[11:30] <tsdgeos> popey: broken in what sense?
[11:35] <popey> tsdgeos: white screen when starting them
[11:35] <tsdgeos> popey: ouch,
[11:35] <popey> dropping letters, samegame, weather, clock...
[11:41]  * popey reflashes device
[11:45] <user82> sorry to ask again: can you cange the lockscreen color of ubuntu touch?
[12:02] <popey> ok, confirmed, a clean install of #119 works, but updating qt from qtcreator (enable developer mode) breaks most of the apps
[12:06] <pmcgowan> popey, what does updating qt from qtcreator mean
[12:06] <popey> i think it adds the qt beta ppa and then updates
[12:06] <popey> Mirv pushed a new qt update yesterday
[12:07] <popey> so when you "enable developer mode" on in qtcreator it pulls in that new qt package
[12:07] <popey> going to do it now again to see what it pulls in that's broken
[12:07] <pmcgowan> popey, did they push 5.0.2?
[12:08] <popey> yeah, ogra_ and mirv were discussing it here last night i think
[12:08]  * popey scrolls back
[12:09] <pmcgowan> popey, I dont see it for raring
[12:09] <popey> no, its in a ppa
[12:09] <popey> but you wont see it in a normal image flash, i think it gets added by qtcreator, which is what I'm just confirming now
[12:10] <pmcgowan> popey, ok, but that would be crazy wrong
[12:10] <popey> yup, qtcreator adds.. gpg: key 179518B2: public key "Launchpad PPA for Canonical Qt5 Edgers" imported
[12:10] <pmcgowan> hmm
[12:10] <popey> i see it pulling in packages like... Get:39 http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu/ raring/main libqgsttools-p1 armhf 5.0.2-2ubuntu1~raring1~test2 [37.6 kB]
[12:11] <pmcgowan> popey, and when does it do that?
[12:11] <pmcgowan> popey, enable developer tools?
[12:12] <popey> it's /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_developertools that does it
[12:12] <popey> which is called when you hit the "enable developer" option in qtcreator devices tab
[12:12] <popey> $ADB apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper -y
[12:12] <pmcgowan> right, so that should no longer use the PPA, should use archive
[12:12] <popey> *poke jppiiroinen
[12:12] <popey> public holiday over there I think
[12:13] <pmcgowan> popey, oh heck half of europe is out
[12:15] <pmcgowan> popey, can you log a bug, then we should comment that line out so it uses the main repo instead
[12:16] <popey> yup
[12:18] <popey> problem is for people who are using 12.04 or 12.10, they need the ppa
[12:18] <popey> or _a_ ppa
[12:18] <popey> no, ignore me
[12:18] <popey> ☻
[12:18] <popey> confused on-device ppa with desktop ppa
[12:18] <pmcgowan> right
[12:21] <kaleo> the idea shouldn't be that the ppa does not break anything? :)
[12:21] <kaleo> Mirv is on holidays?
[12:22] <popey> he is
[12:22] <popey> along with much of europe
[12:22] <kaleo> popey: so no fixing the PPA until he is back?
[12:22] <pmcgowan> kaleo, I dont know why we need to use the PPA
[12:22] <pmcgowan> the packages are all in raring
[12:23] <popey> indeed, or don't use the ppa
[12:23] <popey> (on device)
[12:23] <kaleo> pmcgowan: for the device no need but as popey was saying
[12:23] <kaleo> pmcgowan: 12.04 does not have qt5
[12:23] <pmcgowan> this is specifically loading it to the device
[12:24] <kaleo> pmcgowan: popey: do we know why apps are broken?
[12:24] <kaleo> is there a bug report about that?
[12:24] <kaleo> (about apps being broken and why)
[12:24] <pmcgowan> havent made them yet
[12:24] <pmcgowan> not that I know of
[12:24] <kaleo> that's really not cool
[12:24] <popey> bug 1178242
[12:24] <kaleo> going on holidays
[12:24] <kaleo> like that.
[12:25] <popey> well, it was either put it in the ppa yesterday or friday
[12:25] <pmcgowan> ah now I remember seeing some discussion on this, I thought they decided not to publish it
[12:25] <pmcgowan> popey, or not at all until it passed testing which it clearly would not
[12:25] <kaleo> "I  was encouraged to copy my Qt 5.0.2 for Ubuntu 13.04 to qt5-proper PPA
[12:25] <kaleo> after testing it"
[12:25] <kaleo> from Mirv's email
[12:25] <pmcgowan> hmm
[12:25] <popey> well.sure.
[12:25] <kaleo> I wonder who encouraged him
[12:25] <pmcgowan> ok lets figure out whats broke
[12:26] <popey> yeah
[12:26] <kaleo> popey: do we have an accurate list of the apps that break?
[12:26] <pmcgowan> kaleo, popey has a busted system, what can he get off of it
[12:26]  * popey reboots device
[12:26] <kaleo> pmcgowan: busted as in no shell coming up?
[12:27] <popey> no, shell is fine
[12:27] <popey> some apps start but give a white screen
[12:27] <kaleo> popey: ok, we need the logs for these apps
[12:27] <kaleo> popey: you know how to start them from console?
[12:28] <popey> i can ssh in
[12:28] <kaleo> ok
[12:28] <kaleo> and then mediaplayer-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/media-player.desktop
[12:28] <kaleo> or something along these lines
[12:28] <popey> ok
[12:29] <popey> ubuntu-clock-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-clock-app.desktop
[12:29] <popey> is what i did
[12:29] <kaleo> right
[12:30] <popey> nothing appearing on device
[12:30] <kaleo> popey: any log?
[12:30] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5647736/
[12:30] <kaleo> /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-clock-app.desktop exists?
[12:30] <popey> yes
[12:30] <kaleo> so far it all looks good
[12:30] <popey> tab completion ☻
[12:31] <kaleo> popey: so the shell is still visible?
[12:31] <user82> popey, are you a dev?
[12:31] <kaleo> popey: no white window or anything?
[12:31] <popey> no
[12:31] <popey> let me try from the launcher
[12:31] <kaleo> popey: do you reproduce the same on your desktop?
[12:31] <popey> bah, now it starts
[12:31] <popey> ffs
[12:31] <kaleo> ah ah :)
[12:32] <popey> lemme do more testing
[12:34] <kaleo> k
[12:34] <popey> dont understand why everything was white boxes earlier
[12:34] <popey> even after a reboot, yet now it all starts okay
[12:35] <pmcgowan> popey, I can try it here in a bit
[12:40] <user82> popey, you do not happen to know about lockscreen color i guess?
[12:42] <kaleo> popey: so that corroborates what Mirv was saying in his email
[12:43] <kaleo> popey: pmcgowan: but I suspect, as boiko was saying, that the telephony app will be broken
[12:46] <pmcgowan> kaleo, should we remove it from the proper PPA and have it only in staging? I am still unlcear why it was promoted
[12:49] <kaleo> pmcgowan: still unclear as well; what you are proposing makes sense
[12:51] <pmcgowan> kaleo, its the beta-proper where they are staged
[12:57] <kaleo> popey: are you going to test all the apps systematically with 5.0.2?
[12:58] <popey> sure am ☻
[12:59] <kaleo> popey: excellent
[13:00] <popey> phone and music app so far don't start properly
[13:00] <kaleo> darn.
[13:00] <popey> (and media player) but that was broken for me already
[13:00] <kaleo> popey: media player got a critical fix yesterday
[13:01] <pmcgowan> popey, music app?
[13:01] <popey> the music link on the launcher
[13:01] <popey> just gives a white screen
[13:01] <kaleo> popey: that's a fake app, other fake apps don't launch?
[13:01] <popey> thats the only one so far
[13:01] <pmcgowan> strange
[13:02] <pmcgowan> popey, kaleo its broken here, so not related
[13:02] <kaleo> pmcgowan: you mean music app is broken here or media player?
[13:02] <pmcgowan> music
[13:02] <kaleo> pmcgowan: ok
[13:02] <kaleo> pmcgowan: popey: so, so far, only phone app
[13:02] <popey> and media player, but that's been broken for me for a week or more
[13:02] <kaleo> is broken
[13:02] <kaleo> popey: upgrade it should be fixed
[13:02] <pmcgowan> mieda also white screen
[13:02] <kaleo> it == media player
[13:02] <popey> I'm on todays image
[13:02] <popey> 119
[13:03] <kaleo> maybe the fix did not make it into the image
[13:03] <pmcgowan> I am on 118, music and media broken then
[13:03] <kaleo> renato__: so the mediap player fix does not seem do have made it into today's image
[13:04] <kaleo> pmcgowan: we need a separate bug report for the fake music app not launching properly
[13:04] <pmcgowan> kaleo, we are at the point we should remove all the fake anyway
[13:04] <pmcgowan> but I can log it
[13:04] <kaleo> pmcgowan: fair enough
[13:05] <kaleo> pmcgowan: let's log a bug for removing them?
[13:05] <popey> +1 to removing the cardboard cut-outs
[13:05] <pmcgowan> I will against the image
[13:06] <popey> i thought backgrounded apps were suspended/paused?
[13:06] <popey> top is showing lots of qtwebprocess processes eating some cpu
[13:06] <popey> not a lot, but some
[13:06] <popey> I have twitter, web, facebook etc all open
[13:06] <renato_> media player is working for me
[13:06] <pmcgowan> an none in focus
[13:06] <renato_> just not rotating
[13:06] <pmcgowan> ?
[13:06] <popey> none are focussed
[13:06] <kaleo> popey: only the main process
[13:06] <popey> on shell screen
[13:07] <kaleo> popey: if it forks out other processes they are not suspended yet
[13:07] <popey> ahh
[13:07] <popey> makes sense, thanks
[13:07] <kaleo> popey: cheap implementation..
[13:07] <renato_> kaleo, we should remove the media player icon from the launcher
[13:07] <kaleo> renato_: fair enough: bug against unity
[13:08] <renato_> kaleo, since the designers do not want to launch it without  a movie
[13:08] <kaleo> renato_: popey reports that the media player is not working for them with image 119 and Qt 5.0.2
[13:08] <kaleo> popey: do you have a log of the media player?
[13:08] <popey> hmm
[13:08] <renato_> kaleo, popey is working fine for me on the today image
[13:09] <popey> just got booted out of my ssh session when starting media playback
[13:09] <kaleo> renato_: toda's image has qt 5.0.1
[13:09] <kaleo> +y
[13:09] <kaleo> renato_: can you try with Qt 5.0.2?
[13:09] <kaleo> renato_: it's available in the qt5 proper ppa
[13:09] <kaleo> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper
[13:09] <popey> it's not reliable - media app
[13:09] <renato_> kaleo, popey: for qt 5.0.2 you need to install libqt5multimedia5-plugins
[13:10] <kaleo> renato_: popey nice
[13:10] <renato_> I am waiting for the qt 5.0.2 landed to add this on control file
[13:10] <popey> i can get it to start one time in many
[13:11] <renato_> popey do you have "libqt5multimedia5-plugins" installed?
[13:12] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5647829/
[13:12] <kaleo> renato_: it feels like you should not wait or we will run into a state where the media player will be broken for a day
[13:12] <popey> no
[13:12] <kaleo> popey: do "fg"
[13:12] <kaleo> popey: just after it started
[13:12] <popey> Failed to get the current playback position.
[13:12] <popey> spammed
[13:12] <renato_> kaleo, but if I add this then the mp app will be broken for < qt 5.0.2
[13:12] <kaleo> popey: and pass it a video file
[13:13] <popey> ah
[13:13] <kaleo> renato_: any way to support both?
[13:13] <kaleo> renato_: with the | operator maybe?
[13:13] <popey> kaleo: black screen
[13:13] <popey> no controls
[13:13] <popey> yet i ran it a couple of minutes ago and it played sintel
[13:14] <renato_> popey, try run from the shell
[13:14] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/Videos$ media-player --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/media-player.desktop sintel_trailer-1080p.mp4
[13:14] <kaleo> 15:11 < renato_> popey do you have "libqt5multimedia5-plugins" installed?
[13:14] <popey> ^^ what i did
[13:14] <popey> no, i dont kaleo
[13:14] <popey> but it played a moment ago
[13:14] <kaleo> popey: you need it
[13:14] <kaleo> popey: it must have been before you had Qt 5.0.2 no?
[13:14] <popey> right, now it works from the launcher
[13:14] <popey> haven't installed any additional packages
[13:15] <popey> hence me saying it's unreliable
[13:15] <kaleo> popey: so libqt5multimedia5-plugins is not instealled or you mean you did not install it manually?
[13:15] <kaleo> -e
[13:15] <popey> no, i didnt install it manually
[13:15] <kaleo> popey: can you check if it's installed?
[13:16] <popey> i just started media player form command line and got a black screen (see above command line) but then tried from the videos lens and it worked
[13:17] <popey> so it _can_ work without libqt5multimedia5-plugins installed
[13:17] <kaleo> popey: does it work reliably from the video lens?
[13:17] <kaleo> 15:15 < kaleo> popey: can you check if it's installed?
[13:17] <popey> 14:14:27 < popey> no, i dont kaleo
[13:17] <popey> ☻
[13:17] <kaleo> 15:15 < kaleo> popey: so libqt5multimedia5-plugins is not instealled or you mean you did not install it manually?
[13:17] <kaleo> 15:15 < popey> no, i didnt install it manually
[13:17] <popey> 14:14:59 < popey> haven't installed any additional packages
[13:18] <popey> ☻
[13:18] <kaleo> it could have been automatic
[13:18] <kaleo> please check
[13:18] <popey> its not installed
[13:18] <popey> hence "no, I don't"
[13:18] <kaleo> ok then
[13:18] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/Videos$ apt-cache policy libqt5multimedia5-plugins
[13:18] <kaleo> it was ambiguous
[13:18] <popey> libqt5multimedia5-plugins:
[13:18] <kaleo> perfect
[13:18] <popey>   Installed: (none)
[13:18] <popey>   Candidate: 5.0.2-2ubuntu1~raring1~test2
[13:18] <popey>   Version table:
[13:18] <popey>      5.0.2-2ubuntu1~raring1~test2 0
[13:18] <popey>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu/ raring/main armhf Packages
[13:18] <popey> sorry
[13:18] <kaleo> renato_: did you see that?
[13:19] <kaleo> renato_: does it work reliably from the video lens?
[13:19] <kaleo> renato_: wrong nick
[13:19] <renato_> kaleo, yes, but timo e-mails says that we should install it
[13:19] <kaleo> popey: does it work reliably from the video lens?
[13:19] <popey> yes
[13:19] <renato_> kaleo, I will add it into Recommends sections as timo suggest
[13:19] <kaleo> renato_: good idea
[13:19] <kaleo> popey: good then
[13:20] <bfiller> kaleo: rotation not working at all in 119, all the apps that used to rotate do not anymore. media, camera and browser
[13:20] <kaleo> bfiller: renato said so and was about to file the bug
[13:20] <kaleo> bfiller: 99% chance it has nothing to do with the ui toolkit
[13:21] <bfiller> kaleo: probably a sensor regression or something?
[13:21] <kaleo> bfiller: need to find out if it's a problem with qtsensors or base system
[13:21] <kaleo> bfiller: can somebody looki into that? I'm kinda hands full here
[13:22] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[13:22] <popey>   165 system    20   0  7028 1612 1252 S  89.1  0.1 154:17.87 sensorservice
[13:22] <popey> that doesn't look good
[13:22] <popey> my nexus 4 is painfully slow, with sensorservice eating cpu
[13:22] <bfiller> jhodapp: seems the rotation support is busted in today's build (119). Can you see what's going on? suspect something changed in sensors or something
[13:22] <bfiller> kaleo: yes
[13:23] <jhodapp> bfiller, what are you using to test it?
[13:23] <bfiller> jhodapp: galaxy nexus
[13:23] <jhodapp> bfiller, I mean which app, sorry
[13:23] <bfiller> jhodapp: media player, camera and browser were rotating in 118 but not 119
[13:24] <jhodapp> bfiller, interesting...I can take a look...anything interesting in logcat?
[13:26] <bfiller> jhodapp: don't see anything in there of interest
[13:27] <bfiller> jhodapp: qt was updated to 5.0.2, that must have broken something
[13:27] <jhodapp> bfiller, yeah, there's a very good chance that's true
[13:27] <user82> popey, can one change the lockscreen color on nexus 4?
[13:28] <jhodapp> bfiller, I have to update my GN before I can test
[13:28] <popey> user82: i dont know
[13:28] <user82> hmh okay..thanks
[13:28] <user82> will test it "end of may" when the images are "usable"
[13:28] <user82> i guess it eats battery a lot
[13:28] <bfiller> jhodapp: yup, reflash with lastest
[13:29] <user82> can you flash a custom android kernel with ubuntu touch? it uses android kernel anyways i read?
[13:30] <popey> user82: it eats battery when things go wrong, but generally battery life is pretty good
[13:31] <popey> user82: it currently uses the android kernel
[13:34] <bfiller> oSoMoN: the update to qt 5.0.2 broke the browser. the dpr stuff is not working anymore (:
[13:35] <oSoMoN> bfiller: huh, does this mean the patch was not carried forward to 5.0.2?
[13:35] <bfiller> oSoMoN: can you follow up with timo to see what patches of our didn't make it into 5.0.2
[13:35] <bfiller> oSoMoN: suspecting that, yes
[13:35] <oSoMoN> sure
[13:48] <sergiusens> bfiller: pong
[13:48] <bfiller> sergiusens: hey, can we spin another build with qt5-proper ppa removed? the qt 5.0.2 stuff that landed there broke lots of things
[13:52] <user82> popey, thanks for the infio
[13:52] <user82> but i guess it cannot beat my custom rom+kernel battery wise...
[13:54]  * popey shrugs
[13:55] <sergiusens> bfiller: sure, I'll respin with the proper ppa removed. One sec, I'll update
[13:56] <sergiusens> bfiller: so there is nothing in that ppa that would be missing from the archives? Like qtwebkit?
[13:59] <bfiller> sergiusens: hmnn, not sure
[14:00] <gatox> hi, i'm having problems for running a UI Touch application from Qt Creator in the Device..... when i select build -> Ubuntu Touch -> Run application on device...... i get: [10:56:58] To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".        in the Qt Creator console..... any ideas?
[14:00] <gatox> the device seems properly connected, as in the Device tab shows
[14:01] <mpt> cyphermox, if you add a hangout I'll join it. :-)
[14:01] <mpt> cyphermox, or we can just use IRC -- my questions aren't complicated
[14:01] <cyphermox> mpt: ok give me a secong
[14:02] <WebbyIT> popey: Are you having fun with all these bugs? :P
[14:02] <mpt> cyphermox, bbl, fire evacuation
[14:03] <sergiusens> bfiller: oh... maybe not, we are using the one in daily-build-next
[14:04] <sergiusens> bfiller: updated qt, probably means we need to recompile qtubuntu
[14:06] <pmcgowan> gatox, what version of the image are you running
[14:06] <gatox> pmcgowan, daily installed yesterday..... yesterday i was able to run an application in this way.... but now is not possible
[14:07] <pmcgowan> gatox, ok, you need an update to the android tools, let me see if it made it to the ppa
[14:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: it's in for raring and in the archives for saucy
[14:07]  * sergiusens is not sure that is the problem though
[14:08] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I think so, qtcreator plugin uses adb which does not have permission
[14:08] <pmcgowan> without the update
[14:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well the quick check gatox can do is to adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server
[14:09] <pmcgowan> indeed
[14:09] <gatox> sergiusens, i did that
[14:09] <gatox> sergiusens, pmcgowan i'm upgrading anyway
[14:09] <gatox> to see if something is missing
[14:11] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, bfiller shall we try recompile qtubuntu first to see if that fixes things?
[14:11] <gatox> sergiusens, pmcgowan mmm no... not working... but i think something might be broken in my system maybe.... because qt creator it's experience some weird problems....
[14:12] <gatox> i'll see if i can fix the system and ping you later
[14:12] <pmcgowan> ok no worries
[14:13] <dpm> renato_, oSoMoN, would you be able to join #ubuntu-touch-meeting for a question on the calendar app?
[14:13] <oSoMoN> dpm: in a meeting right now, will join in a moment
[14:14] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I'm doing the research before triggering a rebuild anyways, so yes
[14:14] <jhodapp> bfiller, can you verify that qt 5.0.2 first got applied for the latest build and that it's not in 118?
[14:15] <sergiusens> dpm: side question, is the calendar app ready to add to the image? question for popey too
[14:15] <bfiller> jhodapp: yes confirmed
[14:15] <sergiusens> jhodapp: I'll do that
[14:15] <jhodapp> bfiller, thanks
[14:15] <jhodapp> sergiusens, thanks
[14:15] <dpm> sergiusens, I'd say it still needs a few features to get implemented, but it will probably be the next one we add
[14:16] <sergiusens> dpm: ack, thanks!
[14:16] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, its in the image no?
[14:17] <pmcgowan> dpm, ^^
[14:17] <dpm> oh, is it one of the 3 already?
[14:17] <pmcgowan> 4
[14:17] <pmcgowan> calc, clock, cal and weather are all in
[14:17] <dpm> I haven't checked in a while
[14:18] <dpm> ah well, sergiusens, that should answer the question then, thanks pmcgowan
[14:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: doh
[14:18] <dpm> yeah, sorry, I don't have a device to test anymore
[14:18] <pmcgowan> dpm, what! need to talk to your boss about that
[14:19] <dpm> pmcgowan, I know, I know, we did, but this week he's at the cloud sprint, but we'll sort it out :)
[14:21] <Deihmos_> Has this ever been updated
[14:22] <popey> Deihmos_: "this" being?
[14:22] <Deihmos_> Ubuntu touch
[14:23] <popey> Deihmos_: we are working on it right now ☻
[14:23] <popey> Deihmos_: we do daily image builds
[14:23] <popey> so.. "yes, it is"
[14:23] <Deihmos_> On ok
[14:24] <Deihmos_> Might give it a try
[14:24] <Deihmos_> Anyone use it as daily device
[14:27] <oSoMoN> bfiller: so I just pushed build 119 to the phone, and the browser seems to work fine, I verified that it’s Qt 5.0.2 in the build
[14:27] <pmcgowan> Deihmos_, we have a goal to support using it as a daily device by months end
[14:28] <oSoMoN> bfiller: what’s the error you’re seeing?
[14:28] <bfiller> oSoMoN: size wrong, go to facebook and other sites, they look too small
[14:28] <bfiller> oSoMoN: other than that ok
[14:30] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: bfiller same, my eyes can't tell the diff... or is this on manta/nexus10 ?
[14:30] <bfiller> oSoMoN: I think it's not honoring the QTWEBKIT_DPR setting anymore, testing on Galaxy Nexus
[14:30] <sergiusens> media player works fine too
[14:30] <bfiller> sergiusens: yup, but doesn't rotate
[14:31] <sergiusens> bfiller: right and the window stacking is wrong
[14:31] <bfiller> sergiusens: window stacking?
[14:32] <cyphermox> mpt: you back?
[14:33] <mpt> cyphermox, yep, just got back
[14:33] <cyphermox> ok
[14:33] <sergiusens> bfiller: open two apps, close the latest... you're supposed to go the shell
[14:34] <bfiller> sergiusens: ack, pls file bugs
[14:35] <sergiusens> sure
[14:36] <cfhowlett> Is there a channel for google nexus 4?  or google android?
[14:40] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, shouldnt we try with a rebuilt qtubuntu, all these issues seem related
[14:40] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yeah, I'm setting up for that... but logging bugs while stuff gets installed
[14:41] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, but those bugs will be moot possibly
[14:42] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yeah... might be right
[15:03] <mterry> Are other people getting errors like the following when running autopilot on phablet trunk?  "StateNotFoundError: State not found for class with name '/QmlPhoneShell/QQuickView/Shell/QQuickItem/Dash' and id '2'"
[15:15] <jhodapp> sergiusens, I just tired some debug statements in qtubuntu-sensors...nothing showed up so I'm quite confident that the orientation problem is at a higher level
[15:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: bfiller recompiling qtubuntu didn't do the trick
[15:15] <bfiller> sergiusens: for which problem?
[15:16] <bfiller> jhodapp: can you validate if the orientation changes are getting propagted to the Screen object as they used to?
[15:17] <sergiusens> bfiller: rotation
[15:17] <bfiller> sergiusens: ack
[15:19] <jhodapp> bfiller, yeah, that was my next step...do you know if the overall layout of orientation with qtubuntu is basically the same as when I last touched it some months ago?
[15:19] <bfiller> jhodapp: yes I believe it's the same
[15:19] <jhodapp> bfiller, ok, so the only new change is the SDK QML sheet?
[15:20] <bfiller> jhodapp: only thing that has changed is that sdk now does the rotation on behalf of the app but think it uses the same underlying mechanism,
[15:20] <jhodapp> perfect
[15:20] <bfiller> kaleo: is that correct? ^^^^
[15:23] <sergiusens> bfiller: from what it looks, if I remove the edgers ppa, we will most likely lose our qtwebkit changes
[15:24] <bfiller> sergiusens: can we copy the 5.0.1 qtwebkit from edgers ppa into phablet team ppa?
[15:24] <sergiusens> bfiller: I'll try and copy all of qt to there
[15:25] <sergiusens> I haven't debugged qtubuntu since oct 2012
[15:25] <sergiusens> jhodapp: ^^
[15:28] <vesar> Anyone else getting something similar "Not enough space in /data, found 3.5G
[15:28] <vesar> " when flashing with phablet-flash? Any pointers.
[15:28] <vesar> I've removed all photos and videos from /data but it didn't help.
[15:32] <pmcgowan> vesar, remove the old zip files
[15:32] <pmcgowan> from /sdcard/
[15:33] <kaleo> bfiller: reading
[15:34] <vesar> pmcgowan, brilliant. Thank you.
[15:34] <Nilz> Hi, quick question: when installing ubuntu touch on a nexus 7, it will not flash over my recovery right?
[15:35] <kaleo> bfiller: there was a one liner patch to qtubunti 2weeks ago about orientation
[15:35] <kaleo> bfiller: it was working then
[15:35] <kaleo> bfiller: nothing that i know of aside from that
[15:35] <kaleo> and its lunch time
[15:36] <pmcgowan> Nilz, not unless you specify the -b option
[15:37] <pmcgowan> Nilz, but it will wipe all of android right
[15:40] <Nilz> Ok thanks
[15:41] <Nilz> I am aware that it will wipe android, but it will also wipe the recovery partition with the -b flag?
[15:41] <sergiusens> Nilz: don't use the tool, do it manually
[15:42] <Nilz> Ok thanks, will do
[15:48] <sergiusens> kenvandine: hey, did you delete all the xembed packages?
[15:48] <kenvandine> sergiusens, nope
[15:48] <kenvandine> Mirv was including it in his 5.0.2 update for qt5-proper, not sure if that was uploaded
[15:49] <kenvandine> bfiller, i took a stab at reusing the Ubuntu.Browser component, see my comments on bug 1177964
[15:49] <bfiller> kenvandine: ok
[15:50] <sergiusens> bfiller: so I think I can't rollback to yesterday's build
[15:50] <bfiller> kenvandine: thanks, oSoMoN can you comment on that bug ^^^
[15:51] <kenvandine> bfiller, np
[15:51] <sergiusens> kenvandine: issue is, 5.0.2 seems to have some isues
[15:51] <kenvandine> sergiusens, the xembed patch is only useful on the desktop
[15:51] <kenvandine> not needed for touch
[15:51] <oSoMoN> bfiller: sure
[15:53] <sergiusens> kenvandine: yeah, but it was the latest thing we were using :-)
[15:54] <jhodapp> bfiller, I get one orientation event at startup in qtubuntu...no other events from that point on
[15:56] <jhodapp> bfiller, I have a lunch meeting to head to, when I get back I'll run the lower level sensor test to verify that it's not in the hybris layer
[15:58] <bfiller> jhodapp|lunch: ack, please make sure to file a bug with your findings in case it's in qtubuntu or sdk layer then we can hand it off
[15:59] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, bfiller: answered comments on the bug report
[16:11] <Laney> it's annoying that I can't get back to the contents page from a component page of the sdk docs
[16:14] <kaleo> Laney: there is a bug eeport filed about that
[16:14] <Laney> woot
[16:14] <Laney> I also can't seem to get to the index page (list of components) from d.u.c
[16:15] <sergiusens> bfiller: jhodapp|lunch E/CameraHAL(  130): Error while configuring rotation 0x80001005
[16:15] <kaleo> this one? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html
[16:16] <Laney> yeah
[16:16] <Laney> I'm sure there's a way but I have trouble finding it :S
[16:16] <Laney> ah, get started now > show me ...
[16:26] <kaleo> dpm: opiniob about that ^
[16:38] <mterry> Saviq, et al: does autopilot run qml_phone_shell work for you?  I get a StateNotFoundError error about the Dash
[16:40] <Saviq> mterry, it ran, got 19 failures, though...
[16:41] <Saviq> mterry, and autopilot is disabled on Jenkins
[16:41] <Saviq> mterry, 'cause there was an autopilot release last week
[16:41] <Saviq> mterry, that has not yet settled
[16:41] <mterry> Saviq, yeah I get those 19 failures
[16:41] <Saviq> might be the cause
[16:41] <mterry> ah
[16:41] <Saviq> mzanetti knows more, but he's out until Monday
[16:42] <mterry> Saviq, this is the latest thing to block my lightdm branch
[16:42] <mterry> :(
[16:42] <mterry> Saviq, although actually, it doesn't have an actual review approval yet.  Would you mind giving it the once over and final approval this week?
[16:47] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, will do
[16:48] <user82> hey all. where do i find the current development status for the nexus 4 specifically? like "is the video player ready" "can i use 3g"?
[16:48] <user82> is there a devices page?
[16:49] <WebbyIT> user82: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[16:50] <WebbyIT> user82: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#What_to_expect_after_flashing
[16:50] <WebbyIT> user82: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Nexus_4
[16:50] <user82> good stuff WebbyIT thanks. had not seen all of that!"
[16:51] <user82> so mediaplayer works right now but music player does not?
[16:51] <chilicuil> why exist https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation with different instructions?, I have a nexus 7 which one should I follow?
[16:53] <WebbyIT> chilicuil: the first one is for U-Touch, the second for Ubuntu
[16:54] <chilicuil> WebbyIT: so if I follow the second tutorial, I'll end with a classical ubuntu dekstop system on the nexus?, while if I follow the first one I'll get ubuntu for phone?
[16:54] <WebbyIT> chilicuil: yap
[16:54] <chilicuil> WebbyIT: got it, thanks
[17:01] <njin> nik90, hallo, is audio (beep) working in ubuntu-clock-app ?
[17:05] <dpm> kaleo, not sure if that's the question, but my opinion about that is what I described in the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1168026
[17:06] <kaleo> dpm: no i was referring to the fact that its not easy to find the api doc in tue fist place
[17:09] <dpm> ah, gotcha
[17:10] <user82> does anyone know if the nexus 4 can be shut down completely? one site says yes the other says no
[17:10] <user82> from ubuntu touch itself without a p
[17:11] <pmcgowan> user82, yes it can, long press the power button
[17:11] <user82> thank you pmcgowan
[17:11] <user82> so this information seems to be obsolete? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Nexus_4
[17:12] <pmcgowan> we have not seen that recently, it was precautionary
[17:12] <dpm> kaleo, Laney, the API has got its own step (4) on http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ - we could perhaps think of making it more visible though. It might be a good point to discuss next week at the developer site session at uds
[17:13] <nik90> njin: the audio beep shown in the alarm page is a placeholder at the moment.
[17:13] <kaleo> dpm: +1
[17:14] <nik90> njin: It wil be a placeholder until we are able to access the platform API to sound the beep or the vibration.
[17:19] <user82> are you a dev pmcgowan or just happen to have a lot of knowledge?
[17:20] <WebbyIT> user82: -> https://launchpad.net/~pat-mcgowan
[17:20] <user82> ah
[17:21] <user82> so maybe a good person to ask stupid questions: pmcgowan is it planned that you can change the lockscreen color in the settings without editing the rom?
[17:22] <pmcgowan> user82, yes some set of tweaks like that will be available, the infographic selection, colors etc
[17:23] <user82> cool. thanks for the info.
[17:23] <user82> and by end of month 3g network i heard?
[17:24] <WebbyIT> user82: dicunt (so they say)
[17:24] <user82> allright
[17:27] <popey> pmcgowan: where do you want OSK bugs to be thrown?
[17:27] <pmcgowan> popey, I guess wherever the code is, or do we need to wait for saucy on that
[17:29] <popey> pmcgowan: well it's in the phablet-team ppa, maliit-keyboard and also in raring..
[17:31] <pmcgowan> bfiller, ^^
[17:31] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-plugins/+bugs just seems surprisingly empty
[17:31] <popey> wondered where they went when we moved off springbok
[17:34] <user82> does the "docking desktop experience" work with a slimport hdmi out on nexus 4?
[17:36] <WebbyIT> user82: not now
[17:36] <user82> ok but that is the plan WebbyIT ?
[17:36] <user82> now now is what i was expecting ;)
[17:37] <popey> the plan is for you to be able to plug a phone with capable output/input to screen/keyboard and use it as a desktop, yes.
[17:37] <user82> i was just curious if you need a special dock or something.
[17:40] <popey> well you need something, cable, whatever
[17:41] <popey> i dont think there are many nexus 4 specific docks
[17:41] <popey> but there are a few slimport cables
[18:13] <jhodapp> bfiller, ping
[18:19] <pmcgowan> popey, still about?
[18:19] <sergiusens> bfiller: pmcgowan installing https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta-proper/+build/4493311/+files/libqt5webkit5_5.0.1-0ubuntu2~raring1~test3_armhf.deb fixes DPR issue
[18:20] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, did you replace the 5.0.2 version?
[18:20] <popey> pmcgowan: yes
[18:20] <pmcgowan> popey, are you following the development of whosthere, the whatsapp app
[18:21] <popey> aware of it, not followed it recently
[18:21] <popey> developer hasn't been about for a while
[18:21] <popey> no commits in 2 months
[18:22] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yeah, just dpkg -i  the one I linked... problem with a build is that it's not published anywhere
[18:22] <pmcgowan> popey, I see changes from 3/21
[18:22] <pmcgowan> https://code.launchpad.net/~m-gehre/whosthere/trunk
[18:22] <popey> i went by the "rounded" 2 months figure on github
[18:23] <popey> so yeah, sounds right
[18:23] <popey> https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere
[18:23] <pmcgowan> maybe reach out for an update
[18:23] <popey> yeah, i pinged a while back, will try again
[18:23] <popey> you interested in including the app?
[18:25] <pmcgowan> possibly, its a killer one popey
[18:25] <popey> yeah, I expect it's on Cristians magic list
[18:26] <popey> have fired a mail anyway.
[18:39] <melnaquib> hi every body
[18:39] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: ping
[18:39] <ZDmitry> it's bit strange: terminall app plugin revision is still 10 at Core Apps PPA, when we already have landed revision 11.
[18:39] <melnaquib> is app-weather-team meeting on
[18:41] <popey> fginther: is there a jenkins issue for core apps? weather app guys are reporting the builds aren't happening?
[18:41] <fginther> popey, I'll take a look
[18:41] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+build/4539167
[18:41] <popey> 19:41:35 < m-b-o> tests/autopilot/install_autopilot.sh: line 3: python: command not found
[18:43] <plars> sergiusens: I missed om26er, do you know what the state of the autopilot tests are?
[18:44] <popey> plars: waiting on some people merging, and some devs on vacation so that hasn't happened AIUI
[18:44] <popey> (from the daily call earlier)
[18:44] <plars> popey: ack, thanks
[18:46] <fginther> popey, I only see one merge proposal for ubuntu-weather-app and it's set to 'work-in-progress'. I see nothing for jenkins to do
[18:46] <fginther> popey, is there a specific merge proposal that isn't working?
[18:46] <fginther> popey, the jenkins server itself is up and running
[18:47] <sergiusens> plars: from what I know, not entirely working
[18:48] <sergiusens> plars: I can do a context switch tomorrow and we can just work on that _if the image works_ :-/
[18:48] <popey> m-b-o: neokore ^^ see fginther's reply
[18:49] <plars> sergiusens: I'm not in a super big hurry for it, just wondering
[18:49] <plars> sergiusens: Jenkins got updated and has been giving me some trouble I'm trying to sort through at the moment
[18:49] <sergiusens> plars: ok, so you are not idle :-)
[18:50] <plars> sergiusens: also, I think we might have to do something creative with the nexus 10s
[18:50] <m-b-o> fginther: builds for raring and saucy have failed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138862083/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.ubuntu-weather-app_0.1bzr19raring0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:50] <plars> sergiusens: power issues... I just heard a bit earlier today from our lab guy that adb doesn't seem to work if the screen is turned off
[18:50] <plars> sergiusens: is that something y'all are aware of?
[18:52] <pmcgowan> plars, sergiusens thats a side effect of the recent changes from what I can tell
[18:52] <pmcgowan> it actually seemed odd to me that adb worked during suspend
[18:53] <chilicuil> hi there, is the ubuntu-nexus7-installer taking too mucho for some else?, I'm getting the following output: 'sending 'userdata' (691753 KB)...' for 20 mins now
[18:53] <plars> pmcgowan: it works in suspend on android
[18:54] <plars> pmcgowan: and on the 10s, with the screen powered up, it discharges slowly even when on usb
[18:54] <pmcgowan> right
[18:54] <popey> yeah, not enough current to power device + screen from a usb port
[18:56] <plars> the one I've had connected, but mostly idle is sitting at 82% all day right now
[18:58] <pmcgowan> plars, need to ask sergiusens why that happened when we disabled mtp
[18:58] <plars> pmcgowan: also, adb seems to work ok on my other devices with touch when the screen is off
[18:58] <plars> just not the manta
[18:58] <pmcgowan> I thought it always worked
[19:01] <plars> it has on other devices, not sure about the 10. We just got that
[19:06] <nono68200> I love Ubuntu Touch! :D
[19:06] <BHSPiMonkey> I should get it set up again
[19:06] <BHSPiMonkey> nono68200: does hdmi out work?
[19:06] <bfiller> sergiusens: do we have the source for that qtwebkit deb? can push a new source package to the ppa
[19:07] <nono68200> @BHSPiMonkey: I have only a Galaxy Nexus. He hasn't HDMI output.
[19:08] <jhodapp> bfiller, you around?
[19:08] <BHSPiMonkey> nono68200: pretty sure it does...
[19:09] <fginther> m-b-o, very strange. launchpad failed to build because it couldn't find python???  I can't reproduce this locally, so I retried the build in launchpad
[19:09] <BHSPiMonkey> nono68200: just need an MHL adapter like this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005F9W6DU/
[19:10] <nono68200> Oh well okay, it has HDMI output, but I haven't adapter to try it at my home. ;P
[19:11] <m-b-o> fginther: thanks. yes it's strange..
[19:15] <nik90> m-b-o: are you or anyelse in your team working on getting the user location via geoip?
[19:16] <m-b-o> neokore started with it
[19:16] <popey> you're using qtlocation, right?
[19:17] <nik90> popey: I read through the qtlocation docs. However it requires a source like gps, or ip address or something
[19:17] <nik90> m-b-o: ah.. I will keep tabs on the progress, then I can port it for the clock-app as well.
[19:18] <nik90> m-b-o: oh one more thing. Are you guys using qtlocale to display the numbers in regional formats?
[19:19] <sergiusens> plars: pmcgowan how about lowering the brightness? Still ChickenCutlass is going to add auto screen off
[19:19] <m-b-o> nik90: using Qt.formatTime
[19:19] <m-b-o> for now
[19:20] <plars> sergiusens: yeah, that's an option, will have to see if it makes enough of a difference, and also do it after every install. One thing we'll want to make sure of on the auto screen off - is that there is a way to disable it for testing.
[19:20] <popey> nik90: but you don't have to provide that though, that's a backend which "we" (system level services) provide.
[19:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, what changed with adb no longer working during suspend
[19:21] <popey> so initially qtlocation can be "good enough" for city level location via IP, then in the future can be improved by us adding GPS hooks to the backend
[19:21] <nik90> popey: yeah that's why I was aking about geoip work. I can combine the qtlocation with the geoip stuff
[19:21] <nik90> asking*
[19:22] <nik90> m-b-o: what about the temperatures? Do you guys just display the temperature after reading it from the API or wrap it around qtlocale stuff?
[19:22] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well it disconnects on maguro which didn't expose mtp by default, so I guess it's because of that... but I won't know wihtout checking
[19:23] <pmcgowan> nik90,  qtlocation will include output of geoip along with gps etc
[19:23] <m-b-o> nik90: what's coming from the api. °C/°F will be an app setting.
[19:24] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ok, definitely changed with your tweak
[19:24] <m-b-o> nik90: there's an api-param for the metric
[19:24] <nik90> pmcgowan: oh ok.
[19:25] <nik90> m-b-o: would that mean that if the locale is arabic for instance, then the temperature will still be shown as 36 °C/°F instead of showing the numbers in Arabic?
[19:25] <m-b-o> never thought about it, to be honest. interesting question
[19:26] <nik90> we are testing the locale stuff for clock app, and the numbers are not translated. Instead we plan to use qtlocale where it will substitue the right language for the numbers when they are displayed
[19:26] <nik90> m-b-o: I will let you if it works well. Then you guys can use the same stuff we did
[19:26] <m-b-o> would be great!
[19:27] <ZDmitry> BHSPiMonkey, nono68200: I tried on my GNexus HDMI and it works, but there are no landscape mode for that. Also with I tried wireless keyboard - Logitech K400 and it works too. It's bad that GNexus hasn't separate HDMI input.
[19:28] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well I may be wrong!
[19:28] <BHSPiMonkey> ZDmitry: does it just mirror the phone display? I didn't know if any of the "full desktop" stuff was a reality yet
[19:29] <ZDmitry> BHSPiMonkey: Yes, it just mirror display. And top of the image is on left side of tv display.
[19:30] <BHSPiMonkey> sad
[19:35] <bfiller> jhodapp: hey you looking for me?
[19:35] <jhodapp> bfiller, yeah, just an update on the orientation breakage
[19:36] <jhodapp> bfiller, looks like it's broken because of the new Qt 5.0.2 packaging in a similar manner to what we've battled before...the build/packaging isn't quite right...it's not loading the QtSensors plugin that I wrote like it didn't when we used qt5-beta
[19:37] <bfiller> jhodapp: argh
[19:37] <jhodapp> bfiller, I'm not sure why that's so hard to get right, but this seems to happen with every Qt update now
[19:38] <bfiller> jhodapp: can you file a bug with the details and email the list/Timo about the issue. Hopefully timo can take care of it tomorrow.
[19:38] <bfiller> jhodapp: thank you for tracking this down
[19:38] <jhodapp> bfiller, where's the best place to file this bug?
[19:38] <jhodapp> bfiller, sure, np
[19:38] <bfiller> jhodapp: let me see
[19:40] <bfiller> jhodapp: I'd say against the sdk b/c don't know a better place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:41] <jhodapp> bfiller, sounds good
[19:41] <jhodapp> thanks
[19:41] <bfiller> jhodapp: assign to timo jyrinki
[19:41] <jhodapp> k
[19:50] <sergiusens> plars: popey can you check https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1175806/+merge/163212
[19:50] <sergiusens> ?
[19:52] <popey> sure sergiusens
[19:53] <sergiusens> popey: I can write instructions for testing... but you can branch and test the network setup in there
[19:54] <popey> no need, I can test it
[19:59] <tomekPL> hi
[19:59] <tomekPL> can I install ubuntu touch on my sony ericsson xperia neo v?
[20:01] <tomekPL> this phone has got ARMv7 1GHz
[20:03] <ZDmitry> tomekPL: list of supported devices -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:06] <tomekPL> oh :c here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ is info, that works with ARMv7, so I thought my phone also can run this OS
[20:07] <tomekPL> can I test ubuntu touch in virtual machine, like virtualbox?
[20:08] <ZDmitry> tomekPL: You can try it on your phone - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/haida
[20:09] <ZDmitry> There are no image for virtual machines yet.
[20:09] <tomekPL> ok
[20:09] <tomekPL> tx
[20:09] <tomekPL> thx
[20:09] <ZDmitry> np
[20:19] <plars> sergiusens: not working for me
[20:19] <plars> sergiusens: it gets to 'Network not ready, sleeping' in a loop, then just exits silently.
[20:20] <plars> sergiusens: after it runs, I seem to have an ip on the phone, but I can't ping anything
[20:20] <plars> ah, I can ping now, but no resolv
[20:23] <plars> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5648997/
[20:28] <sergiusens> plars: can you try again and remove comment out the set -e at the beginning?
[20:28] <plars> sergiusens: yeah, I'm reflashing just to make sure it's clean
[20:29] <plars> sergiusens: hah, and that time it worked...
[20:31] <plars> sergiusens: I'll run it a few more times, and we'll see how popey does with it too
[20:31] <popey> sorry, been in meetings all for the last few hours, will have a go in a short while
[20:36] <popey> sergiusens: left a comment on the merge
[20:36] <sergiusens> popey: thanks
[20:37] <popey> sergiusens: personally I'd sleep for between 5 and 10 seconds
[20:37] <popey> that's what I did in my script
[20:37] <popey> 10s to be certain
[20:38] <sergiusens> popey: I'll raise the wait
[20:38] <popey> k
[20:45] <plars> sergiusens: yeah, with the -e it fails
[20:48] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, as promised, here is my vomit inducing lights app: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5FJrRFh0t8&feature=youtu.be
[20:50] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3, sweet
[20:50] <pmcgowan> but I was hoping for a fart app
[20:51] <ajalkane> Combined vomit-fart app would be the killer application for sure
[20:52] <ssweeny> in that case what we need is to make a deal with taco bell
[20:52] <popey> how good are the speakers on modern phones?
[20:52] <popey> a "brown note" app should be possible eventually ㋛
[20:52] <sergiusens> plars: I removed the -e just now
[20:52] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, fart app is up next
[20:52] <sergiusens> popey: I pushed a longer timeout
[20:52] <rickspencer3> I will *own* this app store
[20:53] <popey> sergiusens: ok, will reflash and try again
[20:53] <sergiusens> popey: no need to reflash
[20:53] <popey> yeah, i should just delete the wifi profile..
[20:53] <sergiusens> popey: just delete /data/ubuntu/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*
[20:53] <plars> popey: ewww,  brown note, for that truly immersive mobile experience
[20:54] <plars> sergiusens: repulled, works fine now
[20:55] <user82> i would like to see an app that can set the typical values for custom kernels...
[21:00] <sergiusens> plars: great
[21:00] <sergiusens> plars: regardign the protocol error bug
[21:00] <sergiusens> plars: you see only an issue when going from root to push? or from push to push?
[21:05] <plars> sergiusens: I'd have to look back.. that one is a bit more rare now
[21:06] <plars> sergiusens: but then there's the other error that seems to happen after adb root, then the push of the file to recovery partition
[21:06] <plars> sergiusens: the no such device error
[21:06] <sergiusens> plars: ok, because we have a 'wait-for-device' right in the middle there :-/
[21:06] <plars> sergiusens: iirc, I've seen cases where right after doing adb root, the device becomes invisible for a sec
[21:06] <sergiusens> plars: let me add a safeguard
[21:06] <plars> sergiusens: right... the one time where you want to wait, but wait-for-device won't work
[21:08] <plars> ok, where can I get python-ubuntu-platform-api from now?
[21:08] <sergiusens> plars: why do you need it?
[21:09] <plars> sergiusens: autopilot-touch
[21:09] <plars> it doesn't seem to be in the autopilot stable ppa
[21:09] <popey> sergiusens: works perfectly now
[21:09] <popey> thanks
[21:09] <sergiusens> plars: hmmm.... nope, it's either in ppa:phablet-team or ppa:ubuntu-unnity/daily-build-next
[21:09] <plars> pill ping thomi on it
[21:09] <plars> *will
[21:09] <sergiusens> popey: Happrove then :-)
[21:09] <popey> oh yeah
[21:10] <popey> done
[21:13] <sergiusens> plars: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/1176929/+merge/163223
[21:15] <plars> sergiusens: ack
[21:30] <vertab7> Hi all, Jay from England
[21:30] <vertab7> not new to computing, but new to linux
[21:31] <vertab7> anyone here familiar with the ubuntu/android 'mix' used on the Nexus 7 pwnpad ?
[21:32] <vertab7> anyone here?
[21:32] <pmcgowan> vertab7, sure do you have questions?
[21:33] <vertab7> aha!
[21:33] <vertab7> my first ever time on a relay chat
[21:34] <pmcgowan> vertab7, just fire away and folks will see your questions, and answer if they can
[21:34] <vertab7> just loaded mirc n figuring out what to do.......
[21:36] <vertab7> I have a Nexus 7 tab with the pwnpad community edition from pwnieexpress.com, it runs a 'mix' of ubuntu (for the tools) and the adroid touchy front end(thro' SSH) , anyone have any experience with this? my lack of linux exxp is holding me back (tho learning fast...)
[21:37] <vertab7> its pwniee's cooked kernel I guess with JB2.2 android
[21:38] <pmcgowan> interesting, had not heard of that
[21:38] <vertab7> Im impressed with it, if I could use/understand/set it up better I'm sure I'd be more impressed....
[21:39] <vertab7> http://pwnieexpress.com/collections/featured/products/pwnpad
[21:39] <vertab7> thats the link to the setup
[21:39] <vertab7> yeh I know its pricey, but Ive done it on a budget
[21:40] <vertab7> have the correct dongles etc.
[21:40] <pmcgowan> unfortunately I dont think anyone on this channel will know about it specifically
[21:41] <vertab7> I need some help just with basic linux commands in a terminal to control wifi
[21:42] <pmcgowan> vertab7, try #ubuntu-devel then, more folks with general experience there
[21:42] <vertab7> it seems linux flavours vay in syntax for the same req'd operation? I have tried many combinations, ie iwconfig wlan1 etc. to associate with an AP doest work
[21:42] <vertab7> using 'dhclient'
[21:43] <pmcgowan> are you prefixing with sudo
[21:43] <vertab7> ah, thnkx for teh suggestion, Illl try there too
[21:43] <pmcgowan> if its normal ubuntu most system commands require that
[21:43] <vertab7> I have root and a rooted device, it doesnt like sudo, but I get a return on su
[21:44] <pmcgowan> hmm, not sure what they have done then, probably rebuilt some stuff in the android evnironment
[21:44] <pmcgowan> so it may not act like std ubuntu
[21:46] <vertab7> true, its quite clever it has Android SSH server and openssh-server in the Ubuntu
[21:46] <vertab7> 12.04 chroot environment Android Terminal Emulator to have full root access, it must SSH into localhost (thus all
[21:46] <vertab7> current apps login to localhost before running any commands or pentest tools). so the android desktop icons are like shortcuts??
[21:46] <vertab7> to the ubunto enviro and tools
[21:47] <vertab7> anyway , I'll persue at 'devs'
[21:47] <vertab7> thnx all.
[22:28]  * snwh is away: going to refill on calories
[22:33] <plars> sergiusens: we'll probably need https://code.launchpad.net/~pwlars/phablet-tools/new-autopilot/+merge/163235 once the tests all start working again
[22:41] <sergiusens> plars: yup, and we won't need ppa:phablet-team/tools
[22:43] <plars> sergiusens: we will until it goes to saucy right?
[22:43] <plars> when is that happening?
[23:29] <moocow1452> Anyone home?
[23:33] <thoonai> heyo
[23:33] <thoonai> good evening all together
[23:33] <thoonai> someone here ;) ?
[23:34] <thoonai> is there a branch of ubuntu touch for x86 tablets?
[23:34] <thoonai> I don't want to use android x86
[23:46]  * snwh is back (gone 00:48:55)