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wrstmorning Omnifrog14:46
Omnifrogmorning wrst14:47
wrstOmnifrog: are you running opensuse still?14:48
OmnifrogI am on one partition14:49
OmnifrogI dont boot into it by default though14:49
OmnifrogI was in Columbus for a week too14:52
Omnifrogso, not here to play with it14:52
wrstahh I was just curious how that was working, depending on how ubuntu goes not for sure what I need to install for people as a good distro14:58
Omnifroghopefully I'll get more time to play around with it this week15:06
wrstI think everyone should use arch, but probably not reasonable for my mom :)15:08
Omnifroglol15:09
wrstprobably not reasonable for me sometimes :)15:11
netritioushello locotn18:24
Unit193Howdy, netritious.18:24
netritioushow's it going Unit193?18:24
wrstnetritious??? is it really you?18:25
netritiouswrst: Yep :)18:25
wrsthow are you doing?18:25
Unit193Bit warm here, you?18:26
netritiousBeen thinking about swinging by and thought I would. Good, you?18:26
netritiouslol Unit19318:26
wrstdoing good netritious, anything new and or exciting going on?18:27
netritiouswrst: same old, same old really. Still coding, still use FOSS (inc. ubuntu), and still doing the network/vm thing18:28
wrstcool netritious18:30
netritiousjust for a while there I needed to really focus, and kinda got into exploring darknet a bit.18:30
wrstfocus what is that??? hey there's a bird18:31
netritiouswrst: lol18:32
wrstnetritious: using ubuntu desktop or server?18:33
netritiousBoth :)18:33
wrstha ha18:33
netritiousactually it's ubuntu minimal, then I clone it and add what I want, usually via some script...kinda like a template I guess.18:34
netritiousI use gnome-panel and lightdm. Works well enough, and size is smallllll compared to say ubuntu-desktop.18:35
netritiouspackages are less stale than debian wheezy, but "stable" <-- notice the quotes18:36
wrstha ha18:36
netritiouswhat are you running wrst?18:36
wrstyeah i have pretty much just said arch is my desktop OS18:36
wrstusing freenas for file storage and have a raspberry pi running quassel, well just because I can :)18:36
netritiousnice wrst18:38
netritiousgood use of a pi imho18:38
netritiousI'm addicted to VMware and will wait for another five years for the linux cloud wars to declare a "winner" before I try to go that route again.18:38
wrstnetritious: yep the pi is nice low powered and just clucks right along and freenas is the bomb for file storage/serving18:39
netritiouswrst: I'm back to "all eggs in one basket" mostly. One very big machine with everything in it. Hotswap sata cages to manage backups. Saving up to buy identical hw to have on hand as a cold standby.18:42
netritiousI do have a NAS, but it's virtual. :)18:42
wrstsweet, I of course don't require serious horspower I just need so save baby pictures18:42
netritiousNeed? Junkies always need there fix!18:43
netritiousj/k, j/k18:44
netritiousWell a little anyway :P18:44
netritiousTBH in order to setup everything the way I want, which includes remodelling my office, I had to consolidate and move out of the office.18:46
netritiousnot many places in my tiny house to put 10+ machines, and they were getting old anyway18:46
netritiousso took to servers and upgraded video cards, now are workstations for wife and daughter. Everything else I'll be selling in bulk as electronic scrap.18:47
netritious*took two18:47
wrstcool netritious, I've taken to fiddling with the pi's i have one operating as a print server and another one going to run xbmc so we can watch all our home movies etc in the living room18:50
netritiouswrst: nice. My pi is in the box on the shelf. :/ It works, but I just don't have the time.18:51
wrsti had an old desktop running quassel, a dual core amd (not effecient at all) and 8GB of ram machine with two video cards, needless to say a power hog to have running 24/718:52
netritiousah that's why I love having everything virtualized on one machine (standby and backups recommended of course)18:53
netritiousall I have to do is pause/suspend the VM's and shut the host down.18:54
netritiouslast night before I went to bed I really pushed this thing...turned on /all/ the vms. my only complaint is that the fans got loud lol...makes me feel like I went back in time ten years.18:57
netritiousotherwise there was now responsiveness issues /with anything/ at which point I realized my mouth was open and lip on floor drooling. I've been waiting on this machine for a loooooong time lol.18:59
wrstwhat are the specs netritious?19:00
wrstgotta ask that :)19:00
netritiousI'm not trying to brag, I am just very friggin' happy I didn't waste all my time planning for this all for it to fail miserably.19:00
wrstnetritious: its not bragging, everyone likes to here this stuff19:01
netritious8-core 3.5GHz, 16GB ECC DDR3 1600, Samsung Pro 250GB SSD (SATAIII), and then lots of SATAII hdd's (max six)19:02
wrstsweet19:04
netritiousSATAII's are all hot-swap now. I send a backup with wife everyday that is one day old, and keep a backup here from yesterday, and have cold and hot spares.19:04
netritiousTPM 1.2 installed and configured19:04
wrstnetritious: you have as many cores as any machine i have has GBs of RAM :)19:04
netritious:D19:05
wrstthat has to rock running many OSs at once19:05
* netritious sings mc d's jingle "I'm loving it"19:06
netritiouswrst this was my attempt at reproducing what qubes-os does with application and hardware isolation for vm's. I picked the components specifically for that.19:09
netritiousmobo is ASUS SabertoothII 990FX19:09
wrstthat is a sweet setup19:10
netritiousthanks wrst19:10
wrstyeah I'm sitting here thinking i need that... but why would I need that?19:11
netritiousto consolidate all your machines so you can remodel your office19:11
Unit193(And I'm still likeing the idea of a Pi to run me irssi.)19:11
netritious? sounds reasonable to me :)19:11
Unit193I'm currently running it on what I'm sure is a hot hog for 24/7...19:12
Unit193CPU~Single core Intel Pentium 4 CPU (-UP-) clocked at 2789.722 Mhz Kernel~3.8.0-19-generic i686 Up~2 days Mem~250.4/1001.0MB HDD~20.0GB(27.4% used) Procs~165 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4719:12
netritiousto be completely honest it was either this or unjack for a few weeks, and that's not an option for me19:12
wrstwell netritious for what I do I could just use one raspberry pi :)19:13
netritiouslol at both you and Unit19319:14
Unit193wrst: But you have 6 Pis.19:14
netritiouspi's are cool though. I had a little fun with mine for a couple of hours.19:14
netritiouswrst must be very hungry Unit19319:15
wrstno netritious I'm just very fat19:15
netritiouslol19:15
Unit193netritious: I have an ssh connection, newsbeuter, alpine, irssi, and limnoria running in this session.  I may have some daemons running, but not a ton else.  I do run pisg, but that could be offloaded or maybe just run on the pi as well.19:15
Unit193netritious: I'm going with both, his and your ideas. :----D19:16
netritious:)19:16
netritiousthat's the awesome thing about computing/technology in general...there is room for all configurations that are useful19:17
wrstthat really is true netritious19:18
netritiousyeah, I'll never begrudge someone just because they choose, say, arch as there desktop os :D19:19
wrstha ha netritious, you you should probably feel sorry for them19:19
Unit193netritious: Nah, it's the Arch'ers that call Ubuntu users idiots. ;)19:20
netritiouswrst, you remember when arch changed there installer? and I had it running in a vm with gnome? and everyone was like "but why you have problem?" then you guys d/l and was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu lol19:21
wrstwell Unit193 you asked for it: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png19:21
netritious*their installer19:21
Unit193wrst: Awwwh, I like the other one better. :D19:21
wrstha ha yeah they don't have an "installer" now19:21
wrstnetritious: i think they call them install scripts, I have installed it several times, but in a vm its a pain to get grub correct, actually I used selinux19:22
wrstand it worked fine19:22
wrstUnit193: what is the other one?19:22
Unit193https://file3.status.net/i/identica/aleksandre-20121223T092922-z6nmhkb.jpeg19:23
netritiouswrst: yeah, I happened to d/l the very day they decided not to have an "installer"19:23
wrstha ha yeah they have gone systemd and all sorts of things now19:24
Unit193Could always cheat and use a pre-setup arch. ;P19:24
wrstUnit193: what is that?19:24
Unit193Only one I can think of is Bridge.19:25
wrstUnit193: I like that pic also19:25
netritiouslol at pics...those are funny19:26
wrstnetritious: I do enjoy arch good way for a dumb dumb to learn about how things work19:29
netritiousarch is good for that19:29
netritiousLFS is better, but a whole lot less practical for most people19:30
wrstyeah and gentoo also probably better for it than arch, but as the famed youtuber said "who got time for that?"19:31
chris4585imo, gentoo is ridiculous to just keep the lazy people out19:33
wrstyeah arch is easy to use I get blurry eyed just reading how to get started19:34
wrstcompared to gentoo19:34
chris4585I just wish my 660 gtx was better supported...19:39
netritioushey chris458519:39
chris4585hey netritious, and wrst, hows it going?19:40
netritiouschris4585: same old same old, you?19:41
chris4585same, just got off work and enjoying being off :)19:41
netritiousnice19:42
wrsthey chris4585, going well19:43
wrstoh netritious, meet Omnifrog19:43
wrstOmnifrog meet netritious19:43
wrst:)19:43
netritiouswrst: gentoo isn't any worse than your pick of bsd's19:43
netritioushello Omnifrog19:43
wrstnetritious: I've messed with freebsd and pcbsd, a bit19:44
wrstand of course freenas19:44
wrstI think pcbsd is sorta the "ubuntu" of bsds?19:44
netritiouseh sorta19:44
wrstI know they some how had the ugliest kde implementation I have ever seen or known was possible when i tried it a year or two ago19:44
netritiousthe same stigma is in the comuunity19:45
netritioushowever, there was a lot if infighting between the developers which is why I stopped using it19:46
netritiousmainly over packaing19:46
netritious*packaging19:46
netritious*the same stigma about using a desktop /is not/ the same I mean19:46
netritiousit is, but for different reasons19:47
wrstoh always infighting why can't people just let people do their thing19:47
netritiousrather, there is a stigma, but not for the same reasons as in Linux, at least in my experience19:47
netritiousI guess it's different because it is not easy running/maintaining a desktop on BSD. Notice the only BSD flavour out there that has moderate adoption is OSX.19:49
wrstis that due to graphics cards/drivers netritious or other things?19:50
netritiousyes. If debian is stale, then most BSD's are ancient19:50
netritiouspackages are not, nor is available sources19:51
netritious*nor are19:51
netritiousupdate ports on freebsd and you can build anything, and it will probably run fine after you configure it properly. :)19:51
chris4585my biggest gripe with linux is, I just want a decent driver for my freaking $240 graphics card19:52
netritiousI think most people just use the freebsd binaries now though via pkg_add19:52
chris4585I tried mint the other day and after installation I basically got "resolution is out of range" and no image :|19:52
netritiouschris4585: That's why I stuck with the 560GTX19:52
wrsti don't think i ever fully understood the package management pkg_add ports etc19:52
netritiousI moved it from the old system to the new19:53
wrstI never really did try actually19:53
wrstactually need to read that19:53
netritiouswrst: ports is just an easy way to build binaries from source19:53
wrstahh ok sounds similar to the AUR in arch19:53
netritiouspkg_add is equivalent to apt-get19:54
netritiousnow, openbsd, well they are a different sort of BSD19:54
wrstmakes perfect sense... I was just reading a guide when I set up freebsd once upon a time just needing it for a single purpose in a vm then I was done19:55
wrstreally?19:55
netritiouslike, when you install apache on openbsd, you get openbsd's version of apache. It's less like the upstream version as openbsd modifies apache significantly before packaging.19:56
wrstI enjoy feenas it makes bsd all easy for my purpose19:56
wrstahh wow19:56
chris4585netritious, well this rig will eventually be windows only but until then I'll bear it out19:56
netritiouschris4585: virtualbox for linux boxens?19:56
netritiousafter moving to windows?19:56
netritiousor are you being sarcastic19:57
netritious:D19:57
chris4585nah, that would be weird, I like a regular install19:57
chris4585my plan is to build a gaming rig that will be on stand by until I need it and another rig just for regular day to day stuff on linux19:58
netritiousnot a bad plan19:58
netritioushow I've ran for years and pretty much without issue19:58
chris4585I've changed things around, and still need to do stuff, but this is her in her glory http://imgur.com/a/lOUp319:59
chris4585later tonight I'll probably buy a samsung 840 ssd20:00
netritiousoh that's purty20:01
netritiousI kept my old case..coolermaster...just moved everything out to an old next case and put new parts in20:01
chris4585thanks20:02
chris4585nice20:02
chris4585I have a phantom 410 with nothing in it atm20:04
netritioushttp://imgur.com/BRHZPal20:07
chris4585nice20:09
chris4585I was going to get a sabertooth but decided I didn't really need it20:09
chris4585I did get a 990 board though its out of commission atm20:09
netritiousI have some more NICs now though20:10
netritiousit was the five year warranty20:10
netritiousI would have gotten the extended atx version but they were out of stock20:10
netritiouswell, out of stock when I changed my mind about it.20:11
chris4585ah20:11
chris4585what I want to see is 990 matx boards and there are like none20:11
chris4585:|20:11
netritiousI mainly got this board because of the TPM support.20:12
chris4585yeah20:12
chris4585regardless, asus ftw, lol20:12
netritiousit was either an ASUS or Gigabyte, and reviews have been getting worse and worse about GB20:12
chris4585my other board has a nice reset switch header that will boot directly to bios20:12
chris4585that is a tiny feature I do like20:13
chris4585lol20:13
netritiousthe last board I had was good (gigabyte)...like it's lasted, but has weird crap happen after upgrading bios to support am3 in an am2+ socket :/20:14
netritiousgigabyte support was just stupid and slow20:14
netritiousASUS replied in two maybe three days about my questions regarding the TPM header20:14
netritiouswhich btw, I scored two on amazon for <$4020:15
* netritious pats self on back20:15
chris4585nice, yeah I do like asus, almost blindly.. they just make good stuff imo20:16
chris4585msi my other choice20:16
chris4585wrst, do you have a preference?20:17
netritiouschris4585: wrst prefers pi :)20:23
chris4585lol20:24
wrstchris4585: I have had good look out of gigabyte boards20:24
wrstbut yes asus is excellent also20:24
chris4585I actually regretted my choice for asus after I saw a gigabyte board that was cheaper with a little better features, but oh well20:26
netritiousI am a looong time gigabyte fan that just wasn't as happy as I have been with their products.20:29
netritious I felt a little jaded when I upgraded to PhenomII x, 8GB DDRII all to have to pop the battery everytime the PC lost AC power.20:30
wrstit has been a couple of years since i have bought a board, or really any parts, of course other than pis20:30
wrstthat's not good netritious20:30
netritious*PhenomII x420:31
netritiouswrst: yeah, the home theatre system got that CPU20:31
wrstreally annoying on a home theatre that you likely have sorta hidden away20:32
netritiousalso a gigabyte board, but AM3 socket so no BIOS to upgrade thankfully.20:32
* wrst has never upgraded a bios20:33
netritiousI only do it if I have to20:33
netritiousoh, which reminds me, this is also my first workstation without a floppy drive20:33
netritioussince ASUS has so thoughtfully placed a reset button on the back. :)20:34
netritiousoh and the upgrade BIOS button20:35
* Unit193 has upgraded a BIOS several times, but normally runs them from inside the OS.20:35
netritiousplug in a usb pen drive with BIOS upgrade, hold button, boot, flashes automatically20:35
wrstfirmware upgrades scare the time out of me... yet I do it nearly nightly on my phone... go figure that one out20:35
netritiouslol20:36
netritiousoh and also my first UEFI BIOS, which I find neat20:36
Unit193I've had to, to add USB booting to a couple computers.20:36
Unit193Really?20:37
netritiousUnit193: me to20:37
Unit193Dell++20:37
netritiousUnit193: yeah, it's purty20:37
netritiousdo you use plop?20:37
Unit193I know what it is, and used it once or twice, but no, all BIOSes support USB booting now.20:37
Unit193(I wrote http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ )20:38
netritiousunless they are virtual BIOSs20:38
netritiousrather, not all virtual BIOSs support USB booting.20:39
netritiousUnit193: that's nit-picking of course20:59
Unit193Hmmm?21:00
netritiousthat not all virtual BIOSs support USB booting is nit-picking at the statement "all BIOSes support USB booting now"21:02
wrstnetritious: Unit193 needs some nitpicking that's good for him21:02
Unit193netritious: Oh!  I meant all the ones :here:!21:02
netritious:D21:03
netritiousit's annoying when people do that though....find the one small exception to the generally accepted rule21:05
Unit193netritious: You're talking to him.21:05
netritiouslol Unit193 you're right though, if it was made in the last five years and has a USB header it boots from USB21:06
Unit193Release Date: 11/01/2004  has it. :D21:06
netritiousnice, so almost 10 years if not actually 10 years lol21:07
netritiousoh, read that wrong21:07
netritiousmore like eight years21:07
Unit193Had to update BIOS, but whatever.21:08
Unit193Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex GX26021:08
Unit193           Mobo: Dell model: 02X378 Bios: Dell version: A09 date: 11/01/200421:08
netritiousNice...I know that machine21:10
Unit193Should replace it with a RPi.21:12
netritiousOnce I upgraded an older Dell Optiplex form a PII slot1 to PIII socket 370...all thanks to a BIOS upgrade and a riser card.21:13
netritiousI think it had like a big fat whopping 64MB ram to lol21:13
chris4585I used the asus utility to flash the bios, was pretty simple21:43
chris4585I wish I had a battery backup though21:44
chris4585I would be screwed without usb booting... I haven't installed linux from a CD in at least 3 or 4 years, and even now I have a usb 3.0 flash drive for my linux21:46
netritioussame here chris458521:54
chris4585I just don't see the point in CDs anymore lol, I need to buy an external just to burn audio CDs22:03
chris4585I have one working cd drive atm and its annoying switching it from every computer in the house...22:03
wrstI have nothing USB 3.0 I am so behind the times22:23
wrstno wait my green as case has ports but nothing on the board for it22:23
chris4585I have to say its pretty nice, booting from usb 3.0 at 190mb/s isn't too bad22:42
wrstno not at all22:52
* Omnifrog returns from the fields 23:30
Omnifroghi netritious23:30
Omnifroghi chris23:30

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