[01:32] <Omnifrog> http://google-street-view.com/new-cat-species-found-on-google-street-view/
[01:34] <wrst> nice
[14:46] <wrst> morning Omnifrog
[14:47] <Omnifrog> morning wrst
[14:48] <wrst> Omnifrog: are you running opensuse still?
[14:49] <Omnifrog> I am on one partition
[14:49] <Omnifrog> I dont boot into it by default though
[14:52] <Omnifrog> I was in Columbus for a week too
[14:52] <Omnifrog> so, not here to play with it
[14:58] <wrst> ahh I was just curious how that was working, depending on how ubuntu goes not for sure what I need to install for people as a good distro
[15:06] <Omnifrog> hopefully I'll get more time to play around with it this week
[15:08] <wrst> I think everyone should use arch, but probably not reasonable for my mom :)
[15:09] <Omnifrog> lol
[15:11] <wrst> probably not reasonable for me sometimes :)
[18:24] <netritious> hello locotn
[18:24] <Unit193> Howdy, netritious.
[18:24] <netritious> how's it going Unit193?
[18:25] <wrst> netritious??? is it really you?
[18:25] <netritious> wrst: Yep :)
[18:25] <wrst> how are you doing?
[18:26] <Unit193> Bit warm here, you?
[18:26] <netritious> Been thinking about swinging by and thought I would. Good, you?
[18:26] <netritious> lol Unit193
[18:27] <wrst> doing good netritious, anything new and or exciting going on?
[18:28] <netritious> wrst: same old, same old really. Still coding, still use FOSS (inc. ubuntu), and still doing the network/vm thing
[18:30] <wrst> cool netritious
[18:30] <netritious> just for a while there I needed to really focus, and kinda got into exploring darknet a bit.
[18:31] <wrst> focus what is that??? hey there's a bird
[18:32] <netritious> wrst: lol
[18:33] <wrst> netritious: using ubuntu desktop or server?
[18:33] <netritious> Both :)
[18:33] <wrst> ha ha
[18:34] <netritious> actually it's ubuntu minimal, then I clone it and add what I want, usually via some script...kinda like a template I guess.
[18:35] <netritious> I use gnome-panel and lightdm. Works well enough, and size is smallllll compared to say ubuntu-desktop.
[18:36] <netritious> packages are less stale than debian wheezy, but "stable" <-- notice the quotes
[18:36] <wrst> ha ha
[18:36] <netritious> what are you running wrst?
[18:36] <wrst> yeah i have pretty much just said arch is my desktop OS
[18:36] <wrst> using freenas for file storage and have a raspberry pi running quassel, well just because I can :)
[18:38] <netritious> nice wrst
[18:38] <netritious> good use of a pi imho
[18:38] <netritious> I'm addicted to VMware and will wait for another five years for the linux cloud wars to declare a "winner" before I try to go that route again.
[18:39] <wrst> netritious: yep the pi is nice low powered and just clucks right along and freenas is the bomb for file storage/serving
[18:42] <netritious> wrst: I'm back to "all eggs in one basket" mostly. One very big machine with everything in it. Hotswap sata cages to manage backups. Saving up to buy identical hw to have on hand as a cold standby.
[18:42] <netritious> I do have a NAS, but it's virtual. :)
[18:42] <wrst> sweet, I of course don't require serious horspower I just need so save baby pictures
[18:43] <netritious> Need? Junkies always need there fix!
[18:44] <netritious> j/k, j/k
[18:44] <netritious> Well a little anyway :P
[18:46] <netritious> TBH in order to setup everything the way I want, which includes remodelling my office, I had to consolidate and move out of the office.
[18:46] <netritious> not many places in my tiny house to put 10+ machines, and they were getting old anyway
[18:47] <netritious> so took to servers and upgraded video cards, now are workstations for wife and daughter. Everything else I'll be selling in bulk as electronic scrap.
[18:47] <netritious> *took two
[18:50] <wrst> cool netritious, I've taken to fiddling with the pi's i have one operating as a print server and another one going to run xbmc so we can watch all our home movies etc in the living room
[18:51] <netritious> wrst: nice. My pi is in the box on the shelf. :/ It works, but I just don't have the time.
[18:52] <wrst> i had an old desktop running quassel, a dual core amd (not effecient at all) and 8GB of ram machine with two video cards, needless to say a power hog to have running 24/7
[18:53] <netritious> ah that's why I love having everything virtualized on one machine (standby and backups recommended of course)
[18:54] <netritious> all I have to do is pause/suspend the VM's and shut the host down.
[18:57] <netritious> last night before I went to bed I really pushed this thing...turned on /all/ the vms. my only complaint is that the fans got loud lol...makes me feel like I went back in time ten years.
[18:59] <netritious> otherwise there was now responsiveness issues /with anything/ at which point I realized my mouth was open and lip on floor drooling. I've been waiting on this machine for a loooooong time lol.
[19:00] <wrst> what are the specs netritious?
[19:00] <wrst> gotta ask that :)
[19:00] <netritious> I'm not trying to brag, I am just very friggin' happy I didn't waste all my time planning for this all for it to fail miserably.
[19:01] <wrst> netritious: its not bragging, everyone likes to here this stuff
[19:02] <netritious> 8-core 3.5GHz, 16GB ECC DDR3 1600, Samsung Pro 250GB SSD (SATAIII), and then lots of SATAII hdd's (max six)
[19:04] <wrst> sweet
[19:04] <netritious> SATAII's are all hot-swap now. I send a backup with wife everyday that is one day old, and keep a backup here from yesterday, and have cold and hot spares.
[19:04] <netritious> TPM 1.2 installed and configured
[19:04] <wrst> netritious: you have as many cores as any machine i have has GBs of RAM :)
[19:05] <netritious> :D
[19:05] <wrst> that has to rock running many OSs at once
[19:06]  * netritious sings mc d's jingle "I'm loving it"
[19:09] <netritious> wrst this was my attempt at reproducing what qubes-os does with application and hardware isolation for vm's. I picked the components specifically for that.
[19:09] <netritious> mobo is ASUS SabertoothII 990FX
[19:10] <wrst> that is a sweet setup
[19:10] <netritious> thanks wrst
[19:11] <wrst> yeah I'm sitting here thinking i need that... but why would I need that?
[19:11] <netritious> to consolidate all your machines so you can remodel your office
[19:11] <Unit193> (And I'm still likeing the idea of a Pi to run me irssi.)
[19:11] <netritious> ? sounds reasonable to me :)
[19:12] <Unit193> I'm currently running it on what I'm sure is a hot hog for 24/7...
[19:12] <Unit193> CPU~Single core Intel Pentium 4 CPU (-UP-) clocked at 2789.722 Mhz Kernel~3.8.0-19-generic i686 Up~2 days Mem~250.4/1001.0MB HDD~20.0GB(27.4% used) Procs~165 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.47
[19:12] <netritious> to be completely honest it was either this or unjack for a few weeks, and that's not an option for me
[19:13] <wrst> well netritious for what I do I could just use one raspberry pi :)
[19:14] <netritious> lol at both you and Unit193
[19:14] <Unit193> wrst: But you have 6 Pis.
[19:14] <netritious> pi's are cool though. I had a little fun with mine for a couple of hours.
[19:15] <netritious> wrst must be very hungry Unit193
[19:15] <wrst> no netritious I'm just very fat
[19:15] <netritious> lol
[19:15] <Unit193> netritious: I have an ssh connection, newsbeuter, alpine, irssi, and limnoria running in this session.  I may have some daemons running, but not a ton else.  I do run pisg, but that could be offloaded or maybe just run on the pi as well.
[19:16] <Unit193> netritious: I'm going with both, his and your ideas. :----D
[19:16] <netritious> :)
[19:17] <netritious> that's the awesome thing about computing/technology in general...there is room for all configurations that are useful
[19:18] <wrst> that really is true netritious
[19:19] <netritious> yeah, I'll never begrudge someone just because they choose, say, arch as there desktop os :D
[19:19] <wrst> ha ha netritious, you you should probably feel sorry for them
[19:20] <Unit193> netritious: Nah, it's the Arch'ers that call Ubuntu users idiots. ;)
[19:21] <netritious> wrst, you remember when arch changed there installer? and I had it running in a vm with gnome? and everyone was like "but why you have problem?" then you guys d/l and was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu lol
[19:21] <wrst> well Unit193 you asked for it: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
[19:21] <netritious> *their installer
[19:21] <Unit193> wrst: Awwwh, I like the other one better. :D
[19:21] <wrst> ha ha yeah they don't have an "installer" now
[19:22] <wrst> netritious: i think they call them install scripts, I have installed it several times, but in a vm its a pain to get grub correct, actually I used selinux
[19:22] <wrst> and it worked fine
[19:22] <wrst> Unit193: what is the other one?
[19:23] <Unit193> https://file3.status.net/i/identica/aleksandre-20121223T092922-z6nmhkb.jpeg
[19:23] <netritious> wrst: yeah, I happened to d/l the very day they decided not to have an "installer"
[19:24] <wrst> ha ha yeah they have gone systemd and all sorts of things now
[19:24] <Unit193> Could always cheat and use a pre-setup arch. ;P
[19:24] <wrst> Unit193: what is that?
[19:25] <Unit193> Only one I can think of is Bridge.
[19:25] <wrst> Unit193: I like that pic also
[19:26] <netritious> lol at pics...those are funny
[19:29] <wrst> netritious: I do enjoy arch good way for a dumb dumb to learn about how things work
[19:29] <netritious> arch is good for that
[19:30] <netritious> LFS is better, but a whole lot less practical for most people
[19:31] <wrst> yeah and gentoo also probably better for it than arch, but as the famed youtuber said "who got time for that?"
[19:33] <chris4585> imo, gentoo is ridiculous to just keep the lazy people out
[19:34] <wrst> yeah arch is easy to use I get blurry eyed just reading how to get started
[19:34] <wrst> compared to gentoo
[19:39] <chris4585> I just wish my 660 gtx was better supported...
[19:39] <netritious> hey chris4585
[19:40] <chris4585> hey netritious, and wrst, hows it going?
[19:41] <netritious> chris4585: same old same old, you?
[19:41] <chris4585> same, just got off work and enjoying being off :)
[19:42] <netritious> nice
[19:43] <wrst> hey chris4585, going well
[19:43] <wrst> oh netritious, meet Omnifrog
[19:43] <wrst> Omnifrog meet netritious
[19:43] <wrst> :)
[19:43] <netritious> wrst: gentoo isn't any worse than your pick of bsd's
[19:43] <netritious> hello Omnifrog
[19:44] <wrst> netritious: I've messed with freebsd and pcbsd, a bit
[19:44] <wrst> and of course freenas
[19:44] <wrst> I think pcbsd is sorta the "ubuntu" of bsds?
[19:44] <netritious> eh sorta
[19:44] <wrst> I know they some how had the ugliest kde implementation I have ever seen or known was possible when i tried it a year or two ago
[19:45] <netritious> the same stigma is in the comuunity
[19:46] <netritious> however, there was a lot if infighting between the developers which is why I stopped using it
[19:46] <netritious> mainly over packaing
[19:46] <netritious> *packaging
[19:46] <netritious> *the same stigma about using a desktop /is not/ the same I mean
[19:47] <netritious> it is, but for different reasons
[19:47] <wrst> oh always infighting why can't people just let people do their thing
[19:47] <netritious> rather, there is a stigma, but not for the same reasons as in Linux, at least in my experience
[19:49] <netritious> I guess it's different because it is not easy running/maintaining a desktop on BSD. Notice the only BSD flavour out there that has moderate adoption is OSX.
[19:50] <wrst> is that due to graphics cards/drivers netritious or other things?
[19:50] <netritious> yes. If debian is stale, then most BSD's are ancient
[19:51] <netritious> packages are not, nor is available sources
[19:51] <netritious> *nor are
[19:51] <netritious> update ports on freebsd and you can build anything, and it will probably run fine after you configure it properly. :)
[19:52] <chris4585> my biggest gripe with linux is, I just want a decent driver for my freaking $240 graphics card
[19:52] <netritious> I think most people just use the freebsd binaries now though via pkg_add
[19:52] <chris4585> I tried mint the other day and after installation I basically got "resolution is out of range" and no image :|
[19:52] <netritious> chris4585: That's why I stuck with the 560GTX
[19:52] <wrst> i don't think i ever fully understood the package management pkg_add ports etc
[19:53] <netritious> I moved it from the old system to the new
[19:53] <wrst> I never really did try actually
[19:53] <wrst> actually need to read that
[19:53] <netritious> wrst: ports is just an easy way to build binaries from source
[19:53] <wrst> ahh ok sounds similar to the AUR in arch
[19:54] <netritious> pkg_add is equivalent to apt-get
[19:54] <netritious> now, openbsd, well they are a different sort of BSD
[19:55] <wrst> makes perfect sense... I was just reading a guide when I set up freebsd once upon a time just needing it for a single purpose in a vm then I was done
[19:55] <wrst> really?
[19:56] <netritious> like, when you install apache on openbsd, you get openbsd's version of apache. It's less like the upstream version as openbsd modifies apache significantly before packaging.
[19:56] <wrst> I enjoy feenas it makes bsd all easy for my purpose
[19:56] <wrst> ahh wow
[19:56] <chris4585> netritious, well this rig will eventually be windows only but until then I'll bear it out
[19:56] <netritious> chris4585: virtualbox for linux boxens?
[19:56] <netritious> after moving to windows?
[19:57] <netritious> or are you being sarcastic
[19:57] <netritious> :D
[19:57] <chris4585> nah, that would be weird, I like a regular install
[19:58] <chris4585> my plan is to build a gaming rig that will be on stand by until I need it and another rig just for regular day to day stuff on linux
[19:58] <netritious> not a bad plan
[19:58] <netritious> how I've ran for years and pretty much without issue
[19:59] <chris4585> I've changed things around, and still need to do stuff, but this is her in her glory http://imgur.com/a/lOUp3
[20:00] <chris4585> later tonight I'll probably buy a samsung 840 ssd
[20:01] <netritious> oh that's purty
[20:01] <netritious> I kept my old case..coolermaster...just moved everything out to an old next case and put new parts in
[20:02] <chris4585> thanks
[20:02] <chris4585> nice
[20:04] <chris4585> I have a phantom 410 with nothing in it atm
[20:07] <netritious> http://imgur.com/BRHZPal
[20:09] <chris4585> nice
[20:09] <chris4585> I was going to get a sabertooth but decided I didn't really need it
[20:09] <chris4585> I did get a 990 board though its out of commission atm
[20:10] <netritious> I have some more NICs now though
[20:10] <netritious> it was the five year warranty
[20:10] <netritious> I would have gotten the extended atx version but they were out of stock
[20:11] <netritious> well, out of stock when I changed my mind about it.
[20:11] <chris4585> ah
[20:11] <chris4585> what I want to see is 990 matx boards and there are like none
[20:11] <chris4585> :|
[20:12] <netritious> I mainly got this board because of the TPM support.
[20:12] <chris4585> yeah
[20:12] <chris4585> regardless, asus ftw, lol
[20:12] <netritious> it was either an ASUS or Gigabyte, and reviews have been getting worse and worse about GB
[20:12] <chris4585> my other board has a nice reset switch header that will boot directly to bios
[20:13] <chris4585> that is a tiny feature I do like
[20:13] <chris4585> lol
[20:14] <netritious> the last board I had was good (gigabyte)...like it's lasted, but has weird crap happen after upgrading bios to support am3 in an am2+ socket :/
[20:14] <netritious> gigabyte support was just stupid and slow
[20:14] <netritious> ASUS replied in two maybe three days about my questions regarding the TPM header
[20:15] <netritious> which btw, I scored two on amazon for <$40
[20:15]  * netritious pats self on back
[20:16] <chris4585> nice, yeah I do like asus, almost blindly.. they just make good stuff imo
[20:16] <chris4585> msi my other choice
[20:17] <chris4585> wrst, do you have a preference?
[20:23] <netritious> chris4585: wrst prefers pi :)
[20:24] <chris4585> lol
[20:24] <wrst> chris4585: I have had good look out of gigabyte boards
[20:24] <wrst> but yes asus is excellent also
[20:26] <chris4585> I actually regretted my choice for asus after I saw a gigabyte board that was cheaper with a little better features, but oh well
[20:29] <netritious> I am a looong time gigabyte fan that just wasn't as happy as I have been with their products.
[20:30] <netritious>  I felt a little jaded when I upgraded to PhenomII x, 8GB DDRII all to have to pop the battery everytime the PC lost AC power.
[20:30] <wrst> it has been a couple of years since i have bought a board, or really any parts, of course other than pis
[20:30] <wrst> that's not good netritious
[20:31] <netritious> *PhenomII x4
[20:31] <netritious> wrst: yeah, the home theatre system got that CPU
[20:32] <wrst> really annoying on a home theatre that you likely have sorta hidden away
[20:32] <netritious> also a gigabyte board, but AM3 socket so no BIOS to upgrade thankfully.
[20:33]  * wrst has never upgraded a bios
[20:33] <netritious> I only do it if I have to
[20:33] <netritious> oh, which reminds me, this is also my first workstation without a floppy drive
[20:34] <netritious> since ASUS has so thoughtfully placed a reset button on the back. :)
[20:35] <netritious> oh and the upgrade BIOS button
[20:35]  * Unit193 has upgraded a BIOS several times, but normally runs them from inside the OS.
[20:35] <netritious> plug in a usb pen drive with BIOS upgrade, hold button, boot, flashes automatically
[20:35] <wrst> firmware upgrades scare the time out of me... yet I do it nearly nightly on my phone... go figure that one out
[20:36] <netritious> lol
[20:36] <netritious> oh and also my first UEFI BIOS, which I find neat
[20:36] <Unit193> I've had to, to add USB booting to a couple computers.
[20:37] <Unit193> Really?
[20:37] <netritious> Unit193: me to
[20:37] <Unit193> Dell++
[20:37] <netritious> Unit193: yeah, it's purty
[20:37] <netritious> do you use plop?
[20:37] <Unit193> I know what it is, and used it once or twice, but no, all BIOSes support USB booting now.
[20:38] <Unit193> (I wrote http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ )
[20:38] <netritious> unless they are virtual BIOSs
[20:39] <netritious> rather, not all virtual BIOSs support USB booting.
[20:59] <netritious> Unit193: that's nit-picking of course
[21:00] <Unit193> Hmmm?
[21:02] <netritious> that not all virtual BIOSs support USB booting is nit-picking at the statement "all BIOSes support USB booting now"
[21:02] <wrst> netritious: Unit193 needs some nitpicking that's good for him
[21:02] <Unit193> netritious: Oh!  I meant all the ones :here:!
[21:03] <netritious> :D
[21:05] <netritious> it's annoying when people do that though....find the one small exception to the generally accepted rule
[21:05] <Unit193> netritious: You're talking to him.
[21:06] <netritious> lol Unit193 you're right though, if it was made in the last five years and has a USB header it boots from USB
[21:06] <Unit193> Release Date: 11/01/2004  has it. :D
[21:07] <netritious> nice, so almost 10 years if not actually 10 years lol
[21:07] <netritious> oh, read that wrong
[21:07] <netritious> more like eight years
[21:08] <Unit193> Had to update BIOS, but whatever.
[21:08] <Unit193> Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex GX260
[21:08] <Unit193>            Mobo: Dell model: 02X378 Bios: Dell version: A09 date: 11/01/2004
[21:10] <netritious> Nice...I know that machine
[21:12] <Unit193> Should replace it with a RPi.
[21:13] <netritious> Once I upgraded an older Dell Optiplex form a PII slot1 to PIII socket 370...all thanks to a BIOS upgrade and a riser card.
[21:13] <netritious> I think it had like a big fat whopping 64MB ram to lol
[21:43] <chris4585> I used the asus utility to flash the bios, was pretty simple
[21:44] <chris4585> I wish I had a battery backup though
[21:46] <chris4585> I would be screwed without usb booting... I haven't installed linux from a CD in at least 3 or 4 years, and even now I have a usb 3.0 flash drive for my linux
[21:54] <netritious> same here chris4585
[22:03] <chris4585> I just don't see the point in CDs anymore lol, I need to buy an external just to burn audio CDs
[22:03] <chris4585> I have one working cd drive atm and its annoying switching it from every computer in the house...
[22:23] <wrst> I have nothing USB 3.0 I am so behind the times
[22:23] <wrst> no wait my green as case has ports but nothing on the board for it
[22:42] <chris4585> I have to say its pretty nice, booting from usb 3.0 at 190mb/s isn't too bad
[22:52] <wrst> no not at all
[23:30]  * Omnifrog returns from the fields 
[23:30] <Omnifrog> hi netritious
[23:30] <Omnifrog> hi chris