[01:05] <micahg> zequence: if people do the testing, I'm happy to push the buttons for the backports, at this point, you'll have to backport through raring and quantal (requestbackport from ubuntu-dev-tools will show you what needs to be tested)
[07:05] <smartboyhw> !testers
[07:05] <smartboyhw> Meh
[07:26] <zequence> micahg: Thanks. I should probably work on helping getting Ardour3 into Unstable first. Doesn't seem like there's a flood of uploads happening there yet, and I suspect the package still needs some tuning to get it to build properly.
[07:26] <smartboyhw> zequence: Up that early?
[07:27] <smartboyhw> Do you want the !support factoid?
[07:27]  * smartboyhw can set it up:P
[07:28] <zequence> !support should be about where one can get support
[07:29] <zequence> !supported-versions, or some word like that would be better
[07:29] <smartboyhw> zequence: How about !supported ?
[07:30] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's best if the factoid points to a wiki page too, otherwise you will need to maintain the factoid each time there is a change
[07:30] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK then. So maybe !supported-versions is "The currently supported Ubuntu Studio versions are 12.04 LTS, 12.10 and 13.04. Other releases are not supported. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for details."
[07:33] <smartboyhw> zequence: So do you like it or another suggestion?
[07:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: Or perhaps !supported-releases "See http://wiki.ubuntu,com/Releases to see which releases are supported"
[07:56] <zequence> Or, if there is a way to script the factoid, to use a Ubuntu command to find out
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra
[13:19] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw 
[13:21] <smartboyhw> zequence: We are asked to use !releases instead
[13:21] <DarkEra> we're going to need to post the EOL  announcement of 10.04 LTS and 11.10 on the community G+ site etc. too soon
[13:23] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Why too soon? And for the postings in G+, zequence will do that
[13:23] <zequence> !releases
[13:23] <smartboyhw> I need to wait for the Ubuntu Release Team to announce…
[13:24] <DarkEra> not too soon, i mean soon too... brain is fried
[13:24] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: LOL
[13:24] <DarkEra> :P
[13:26] <DarkEra> i'll be back later on the day, got some things to do. :)
[13:36] <zequence> I'm setting up a cron job system for posting things to the list that needs attention
[13:36] <zequence> Packages that need fixing (-devel list), and further, packages that need testing (-testing list)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> zequence: Good one.
[13:37] <smartboyhw> How about the vUDS work?
[13:37] <zequence> vUDS is not an absolute priority for us
[13:37] <zequence> I will have a look at it, don't worry
[13:37] <smartboyhw> zequence: You said you will set up a session:p
[13:37] <zequence> I said it would be good for us to do that
[13:38] <smartboyhw> zequence: Heh
[13:38] <smartboyhw> OKies
[14:20] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Mmm what do you mean by that we need to deal with merges?
[14:22] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Those are merges between Debian and Ubuntu packages that need to be done manually. I haven't yet done any myself. We should start doing this for packages that we ship. For me, it will be one step towards getting upload rights
[14:23] <zequence> There will be a list like that posted every Monday from now on
[14:23] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Heh, I have Kubuntu merges to deal with
[14:25] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Maybe you could change the vowel in "Heh" now and again, to give it some variation: "Hah", "Huh", "Hih" ;)
[14:27] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Eh, that's Oba Kubuntu style
[14:45] <zequence> A lot og empty chairs in LAC2013. Sure wish I had been there
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Ouch. How many?
[14:46] <zequence> I didn't count them
[14:46] <zequence> http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2013/stream
[14:47] <zequence> Aargh, his using Windows
[14:48] <zequence> he's*
[15:30] <zequence> The bottom line is that if you always try getting changes upstream, to Debian and to application developers, it doesn't matter what happens in Ubuntu in the long run, because none of your work will have been wasted
[15:31] <zequence> Rather, it will have been the most used, and the best tested in the Linux community.
[15:32] <zequence> It would be different, if there were restrictions on that point. If somehow, any of your changes would need to only be local to Ubuntu, or that they even would be copyrighted. But, that is not the case. It's free software. And it's free for everyone
[15:33]  * smartboyhw_ is wondering if zequence is talking to somebody or just shouting…
[15:33] <zequence> falktx: This is why, I find it strange, that you do not try to get your changes upstream in the distro, even if I know you do communicate with developers
[15:33] <zequence> Ah, wronge channel actually
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> ROFL
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> bye sleep time
[15:34] <falktx> zequence: hm?
[21:38] <zequence> matching changes posted in a mail list to a text on the web proved to be much more work than I initially though
[23:20] <zequence> falktx: How are you building your ISOs btw?
[23:21] <zequence> falktx: Have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupLocalIsoBuildServer
[23:33] <falktx> I just build using a chroot to make a squashfs file
[23:34] <falktx> I've put some useful functions in a script, https://github.com/falkTX/kxstudio/blob/master/scripts/kxstudio-create-iso
[23:41] <zequence> One of the jobs I'm doing, and been doing for a while is figuring out all the different parts of flavor development. Was kind of hard to get a picture as I don't think there is any documentation based from that angle
[23:42] <zequence> Might happen I try copying the process on a personal server later on
[23:43] <zequence> It's all being documented here, all though this is just a scratchpad so far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperDocumentation
[23:43] <zequence> Needs a lot more work
[23:43] <zequence> And, the goal is to make it universal for all flavors
[23:47] <falktx> I'm the last person that will ever participate on writing docs... I personally hate that...
[23:47] <falktx> don't know why, but I can't force myself to write documentation or translation for more than 5mins at a time
[23:48] <zequence> Think I've written 100% of the content on the Ubuntu Studio wiki the past year. Or, at least 95%. Not many people like writing docs
[23:49] <zequence> But, I don't know of a better way to establish a way for people to work independently - as I plan to try to grow this team with people who might not have the same kind of patience some of us others have
[23:49] <zequence> One needs to be able to get all the info one needs from one place
[23:50] <zequence> There's nothing more frustrating than spending hours googling for minor details
[23:51] <zequence> Add to that, having tools for simplifying many tasks (many exists, but are hard to find without guidance)