[07:26] <Unit193> For audio/video conference, is linphone another option?
[11:41] <skellat> Unit193: linphone falls into the same class of apps as ekiga & sflphone but yes it would
[11:56] <skellat> Unit193: Easy way to test your Linphone install...call the sip number list in the topic over at #ubuntu-us-oh...it has voicemail attached to it!
[18:06] <elfy> am I right in assuming a logout/shutdown bug should be reported against lightdm
[18:08] <skellat> Yeah but tag the window manager too
[18:08] <elfy> package name ?
[18:09] <elfy> and how do you tag a bug report?
[18:09] <skellat> Package name would be xfwm4.  Just add it to the same report as being affected.
[18:09] <elfy> k
[18:10] <skellat> That comes after filing against lightdm, of course.
[18:10] <elfy> I would try searching launchapd for information but I don't have a week 
[18:11] <skellat> :-)
[18:12] <skellat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+filebug
[18:12] <elfy> doing this quickly in vbox for the moment to see if it's there - I have the issue in the hdd one 
[18:13] <elfy> skellat: I'll do it from the install with ubuntu-bug
[18:14] <skellat> Excellent
[18:14] <elfy> yea I know lol 
[18:16] <elfy> that's assuming I see the same thing :)
[18:20] <skellat> I threw an e-mail on the list about where we got scheduled on summit.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <skellat> And now I need to run to the post office and a couple other places in-town
[18:22] <elfy> yea - just read that one 
[18:25] <elfy> excellent - it failed - or rather at least I can report it 
[18:39] <elfy> well I almost got it - marked it as affecting LightDm as well lol
[18:41] <elfy> wb lderan 
[18:41] <lderan> thank you
[18:42] <elfy> waiting for a meeting so we can get whatever we want to call this manager thing sorted out 
[18:44] <lderan> ah cool
[18:44] <elfy> not sure when we've got the first one - find out next week perhaps
[18:47] <lderan> sounds good to me
[20:42] <skellat> Alrighty, anybody have objections to the scheduling we've been given for UDS?  Do we want to go with the Three Nights option instead?
[20:43] <knome> i just sent an email
[20:43] <Noskcaj> skellat, no objection, but i cannot make it
[20:43] <knome> tl;dr: three nights would be better, or even two
[20:44] <knome> also, both times are ok for me
[20:44] <knome> furthermore, micahg can't attend vUDS days at all; let's schedule something for week 21 as well
[20:44] <lderan> i can attend after 1830 utc
[20:45] <Unit193> But, would we want one of the vUDS "moderators" to attend?  (Bacon, etc.)  Would they be willing to go outside of vUDS?
[20:46] <skellat> Unit193: We don't really need to them to attend unless they wish to do so on their own.  We may not necessarily use the summit.ubuntu.com platform either.
[20:46] <skellat> knome: I agree that packing it all into that block on Wednesday is a bit much.
[20:46] <Unit193> skellat: Was just a thought, what's-his-name did last time so we could talk with him.
[20:47] <skellat> Rick Spencer?
[20:47] <knome> oh.
[20:47] <knome> i think we should simply join the vUDS sessions to see what they have to say
[20:47] <knome> i don't think there is enough to warrant a xubuntu session where we definitely need rick
[20:47] <skellat> The vUDS sessions will be one thing.  Our stuff is going to be more internal to Xubuntu than anything else.
[20:47] <knome> and he won't disappear after vUDS anyway
[20:48] <skellat> And looking at the schedule so far, Ubuntu Touch is dominating the schedule thus far
[20:49] <knome> isn't ubuntu touch just the same as ubuntu, so basically it's just the same but with "touch" added to every title ;)
[20:49] <skellat> Not really
[20:49] <skellat> It is the phone stuff...which means no X server for now until Mir gets built
[20:50] <skellat> Tuesday's schedule: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/display  Wednesday's schedule: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-15/display Thursday's schedule: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-16/display
[20:53] <skellat> The overall schedule looks heavily skewed towards mobile
[20:55] <skellat> I guess we'd need to add that for the forward-looking issues discussion: What on earth would Xubuntu look like in a "mobile phone/tablet/phablet" setting?
[20:56] <knome> i was just kidding :)
[20:56] <skellat> :-)
[20:57] <knome> (and cleaning up the kitchen, that's why it took so long to reply)
[20:57] <Unit193> Hmmm, anyone setup a wiki with what our options are for communication?
[20:57] <skellat> Not yet
[20:57] <knome> Unit193, i can set up the page if you'll fill it up?
[20:58] <skellat> I need to get in the kitchen to get cooking dinner and then I have a board meeting tonight for an arts non-profit I'm somehow connected to as a PR person
[20:58] <Unit193> Hah, I don't think I even remember all the options. :P
[20:58] <skellat> We can ask the Kubuntu folks about using their Mumble server
[20:58] <knome> Unit193, you can start
[20:58] <skellat> We can set up our own Google Hangout
[20:58] <Unit193> SIP/linphone shouldn't be hard either.
[20:58] <skellat> We can use a SIP conference room via Linphone/Ekiga/Sflphone such as the one on sdf.org
[20:58] <knome> or skype.
[20:58] <knome> :P
[20:58] <skellat> Skype is usable too
[20:59] <knome> if anybody had the pro account, we could do the AV-conference on skype
[20:59] <knome> i don't think it's too pricey, i could probably do that for this time with our magazine moolah
[20:59] <Unit193> knome: Or if someone has Linux.
[20:59] <skellat> And now my cat is chewing on me...so I gotta go for now
[20:59] <knome> i mean, the stuff i got from writing
[20:59]  * skellat trundles off to start cooking done
[20:59] <knome> skellat, bon appetit!
[20:59]  * skellat trundles off to start cooking dinner after feeding the hungry cat who keeps biting
[20:59] <knome> Unit193, do you know anybody who has linux then?
[21:00] <lderan> i hear all the cool kids have it
[21:00] <Unit193> knome: Don't think so.
[21:02] <Noskcaj> has the magazine actually been published yet? and i still don't know what magazine it was
[21:04] <Unit193> knome: Skype seems to permit up to 25 people?
[21:05] <knome> Unit193, problem?
[21:05] <knome> Noskcaj, no.
[21:05] <Unit193> knome: Info.
[21:05] <knome> Noskcaj, it's been on the list. http://www.linuxidentity.com/
[21:05] <knome> we still need to extend some articles, so not published yet
[21:17] <knome> Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/UDSCommunicationOptions
[21:20] <knome> brb
[21:20] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[21:48] <skellat> Unit193: Could you do a quick check for me by calling 1001@sip.sdf.org in Linphone?
[21:49] <skellat> If you connect it should greet you and give you the UTC time followed by some Morse Code
[21:50] <Unit193> I think last SIP account I had was gizmo5...
[21:53] <skellat> It may work with a direct IP call
[21:53] <skellat> My SIP account is on SDF
[21:54] <skellat> The one listed in the topic over on the LoCo channel
[21:54] <skellat> I know the conference room feature works over on SDF so we could easily use that with minimal set up if everybody had SIP access
[21:55] <knome> i don't, but i imagine it's not too hard to set up?
[21:55] <skellat> The SDF public phone directory is here (my account isn't special enough to be listed): http://sdf.org/?tutorials/sdf_voip_ext
[21:56] <skellat> Find SIP provider, set up Ekiga/Linphone/SFLPhone, call the conference room on the directory list linked above
[21:56] <knome> ah.. involves service providers
[21:56] <skellat> There is direct IP calling though
[21:57] <skellat> And heck, Skype is itself a service provider which is a subsidiary of Microsoft
[21:57] <knome> that sounds more tedious to set up than it's worth :)
[21:57] <knome> heh, ok
[21:57] <skellat> My account over on Skype is easy to find: stephen.michael.kellat
[21:57] <knome> i think i'm knomepasi
[21:57] <knome> it's ages since i last connected...
[21:57] <knome> actually not, i did once in the last year at least
[21:58] <Unit193> I'm not figuring this out.
[21:58] <skellat> Unit193: What are you not figuring out?
[22:00] <Unit193> User not found.
[22:00] <skellat> Where?
[22:00] <knome> Unit193, look in the mirror
[22:00] <Unit193> knome: Don't want to do that, image is scary!
[22:00] <knome> Unit193, or, alternatively, if you have a webcam, turn that on and look at a capturing app
[22:01] <knome> (lazy nerd version)
[22:02] <skellat> My SDF account is set for direct IP call receipt so you don't need to actually have a SIP account anywhere to leave me a voicemail.  Just skip setting an account up in Ekiga and "dial" 1580@sip.sdf.org.  I just can't recall if the Conference Bridge will allow that, though.
[22:04] <Unit193> Ah, that works.  You had said 1001.
[22:04] <Unit193> knome: I have a friend with asterisk, not sure if he'd let us use it, but he might.
[22:06] <skellat> Okay, so you got my lovely voicemail greeting then?
[22:06] <Unit193> Aye.
[22:06] <skellat> Okay
[22:06] <skellat> Try 1088@sip.sdf.org and see if it will let you in
[22:08] <skellat> If it greets you, then you'll be able to get into the conference bridge without needing a SIP account somewheres
[22:08] <Noskcaj> i clicked on that and it said i needed a mail reader
[22:09] <skellat> Noskcaj: SIP notation looks a lot like e-mail address notation
[22:09] <Unit193> skellat: Nope.
[22:09] <skellat> Darn
[22:09] <skellat> Okay
[22:09] <skellat> Unless a lot of folks have easy access to SIP accounts, scratch that conference room idea
[22:10] <skellat> I'm available on Skype and knome is available on Skype
[22:10] <skellat> What works for Noskcaj?
[22:10] <Noskcaj> i've got skype and G+ already, i can use anything that's free
[22:11] <skellat> That's 3 for Skype.  How about you Unit193?
[22:11] <Noskcaj> although i doubt i'll be attending the meetings
[22:11] <Unit193> Of course.
[22:11] <skellat> Noskcaj: At this point we're looking at shifting to the post-2000 UTC option.
[22:11] <Noskcaj> yay
[22:12] <skellat> To do a conference call one person has to initiate by calling everybody else
[22:12] <skellat> So, we'd need to establish calling lists of user names of who would like to participate
[22:19] <skellat> And now that I've got what I was baking out of the oven and Dad should be home I gotta go serve dinner.  My board meeting is 7 PM time where I get to be PR flack again.
[22:21] <skellat> Unit193: Good luck on options.  For us to play nice and all we need to settle an option soon and then probably have XPL tell the track leads for vUDS that we regretfully need to pull our blueprints off the schedule to better accommodate team member schedules in Australasian time zones.
[22:25] <knome> :)
[22:26]  * knome just added 'XPL' to hilight on #xubuntu*
[22:28] <Unit193> Thanks, now I know another blacklisted word to use. :)
[22:31] <knome> nah
[22:31] <knome> it's not at all bad if i get highlighter
[22:31] <knome> s/r/d/
[22:31] <knome> i read all the backlog from -devel anyway, just makes it easier me to catch things that are related to me
[22:43] <skellat> What can I say?
[22:44]  * skellat time to go to board meeting for arts non-profit
[22:49] <knome> have fun