[03:29] ahoneybun: We use trello for that. [03:30] https://trello.com/kubuntu [06:06] good morning [06:09] hi === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [07:50] Good morning. === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [10:09] Hola [10:11] Ohaio [10:34] bon dia [10:35] Riddell: ? [10:35] I'm learning catalunian [10:35] Riddell: Heh, go ask dpm, he's an expert:P [10:35] Catalan:P [10:35] this Kubuntu office is big [10:35] Riddell: Photo? [10:36] * smartboyhw_ can't determine the size of an office without seeing. [10:37] Riddell: funny bon dia is very similar to italian : buon di [10:37] Heh [10:38] What does it mean actually? [10:38] good morning [10:38] or maybe better [10:38] Peace-: I'd expect that, it's all Latin [10:38] For me, good morning is 早安 [10:39] lol [10:39] Chinese (Traditional, Hong Kong): zh_HK [10:39] :P [10:39] smartboyhw_: i did a little bash script using google service :D [10:40] Peace-: :D [10:40] smartboyhw_: http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php/golgu-translate?content=158355 [10:40] it's funny listen chinese [10:40] xD [10:41] Peace-: LOL [10:49] Good one https://plus.google.com/100576607038615278264/posts/fXB1cucaDh5 [11:45] ScottK: done :) [11:57] hello world :D [11:57] I'm back from the hollydays :D [12:21] \o [12:22] hey Quintasan, how does the process work now, for making a new Maliit release (that would change some stuff) and updating the packages? [12:23] would be good to have that documented somewhere on our wiki @ maliit.org … [12:23] hmm [12:24] mikhas: First you guys release something, put a tarball somewhere and bug someone (probably me or Laney) to make a package upgrade [12:24] Or you can bug me to update that in Ubuntu and I will pester Laney to upload that into Debian === palasso_ is now known as palasso [12:28] mikhas: New realease soon or something? [12:31] Quintasan, not sure whether it's "soon", but we are working on input context stuff which will conflict with the Maliit input context provided by Qt5 … [12:31] I see, [12:31] so for packaging, this will be ugly [12:31] mikhas: Well, that shouldn't be much of an issue, we have a nice field Conflicts in debian/control [12:31] and I wanted to know whether we need to find another solution instead [12:31] ah [12:31] and that's file-based? [12:31] It's package-based [12:32] say [12:32] right [12:32] I have maliit-input-context-qt4 [12:32] and m-i-c-qt5 [12:32] I can make m-i-c-qt5 conflict with qt4 so one can't have both installed [12:32] mikhas: Is that what you want? [12:33] hell [12:33] shadeslayer, yofel: running saucy? [12:34] something like that, but depends on how Qt5 is packaged [12:35] Hey all [12:35] BluesKaj_: hi [12:35] hi Quintasan [12:35] mikhas: Yeah, that said I'll probably figure it on my own or ask Laney for help if things get complicated [12:36] cool [12:36] thanks! [12:37] mikhas: Keep up the good work on Maliit then :P [12:37] * Quintasan wants a Plasma powered tablet [12:39] * Quintasan switches to pbuilder dist === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:23] Quintasan: nope [13:23] ehueheuheuehueheuheue [13:23] UPGRADING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT [13:23] pft [13:24] we have a 100 Mbps line here [13:24] >implying you will be faster than me [13:24] shadeslayer: Currently I'm in one of ISP's network [13:24] 1Gbps lol [13:24] sup [13:24] :S [13:24] afiestas_: ^^ [13:25] WE NEED MORE INTERNETS === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [13:26] shadeslayer: But I can't torrent in here [13:26] aw [13:26] afiestas_ is looking at the facebooks [13:26] You'd better implement renaming contacts in KTP shadeslayer [13:27] :P [13:27] Quintasan: u r very saucy today [13:27] apachelogger: Why, thank you [13:27] apachelogger: There was someone looking for you in #kde-multimedia [13:27] Quintasan: why cant you do the torrenz? [13:27] I got lost [13:27] dunno why [13:27] total disconnect on the core [13:28] apachelogger: My friend is working at a certain ISP and I'm there with him, at least for 30 minutes more [13:31] isn't @ISP the best place to do the downloadery? Oo [13:44] Riddell, shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1177399 [13:44] Launchpad bug 1177399 in homerun (Ubuntu Raring) "[SRU] homerun 0.2.3" [Medium,Fix committed] [14:38] ScottK: can you accept kscreen, stupid stupid mistake while backporting :/ [14:38] Sure. [14:38] Thanks [14:39] Don't see it yet. [14:39] just uploaded it 30 seconds ago [14:39] should be there in another minute or so [14:40] * shadeslayer test built it in a clean pbuilder to make sure it works this time [14:40] ScottK: should be there now [14:40] * ScottK looks [14:41] folks, before unleashing KDE 4.10.3 upon the world, you might want to consider this bug: [14:41] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319137 [14:41] KDE bug 319137 in general "Crash in DialogShadows::Private::freeX11Pixmaps()" [Crash,Confirmed] [14:41] makes applications crash on exit, makes plasma crash, and whatnot [14:41] yeah, mgrasselin mentioned that a few times [14:41] get a patch from graesslin, then release [14:41] IMO [14:42] Riddell: ^^ [14:42] shadeslayer: You'll need to re-upload using -v so the bug shows up in .changes. [14:42] ScottK: using -v ? [14:42] dput -v ubuntu foo.changes? [14:43] for Amarok we are getting at least one bug report per day (already), due to this plasma regression [14:43] that's only from SuSE users [14:44] * Riddell adds to saucy merges trello board [14:45] shadeslayer: No dpkg-buildpakcage -S -v$VERSION_IN_THE_ARCHIVE [14:45] aha [14:45] (or debuild if you prefer) [14:45] Riddell: btw, we will release Amarok 2.7.1 on the weekend (likely), a pure bugfix release without string changes or features [14:45] will also contain this anti-crash fix [14:46] markey: any important bugfixes to justify a backport to 13.04? [14:46] sec [14:47] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5651352/ [14:47] it's not much [14:47] the really important thing is just this crash fix [14:47] not worth backporting otherwise [14:48] so put it into a PPA along with 4.10.3 maybe [14:52] oh nice, here is already a patch for the Plasma bug: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/110382/ [14:54] Mamarok: if we were to take over medibuntu do you know any good hosts in switzerland? [14:55] ScottK: better now? [14:56] the man page doesn't explain it properly [15:06] shadeslayer: No http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139568239/kscreen_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.2_source.changes [15:06] bah, what's going wrong here :/ [15:06] You want to use the version before the one you want in changes [15:06] ^^ [15:07] shadeslayer: Look at the .changes before you upload again. [15:07] aha [15:08] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/741194/ [15:08] You should also be using -v for any merges so that all the versions from Debian show up in your .changes as well. [15:08] shadeslayer That's it. [15:08] cool :) [15:10] apachelogger: How did you let him graduate from minion status without knowing about -v? [15:10] good question considering it is mentioned like once a month on the ubuntu-devel ml :/ [15:11] * ScottK waits for "I was busy with exams". [15:11] ololo [15:12] probably missed that info somewhere? [15:13] anyone see what's wrong with kdevelop going into saucy release? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt [15:17] Riddell: develop-custom-buildsystem needs update. [15:17] develop/kdevelop [15:18] ooh I see, it depends on kdevplatform6-libs which is no more [15:18] Riddell: This is the relevant bit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5651428/ [15:18] this thing is clever [15:19] Britney is a genius, just not a great communicator. [15:19] yeah I saw that and I installed kdevelop-custom-buildsystem and it was fine but of course it would be [15:19] Yeah, Britney assumes any NBS binaries don't exist when she checks. [15:25] apachelogger: #1176464 is finally retraced. Does it now give any information on if the patch you gave me is the right one or not? [15:33] ScottK: uploaded kscreen btw [15:35] shadeslayer: I saw. I was waiting for LP to have a diff. [15:35] aha [15:35] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139569712/kscreen_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.1_0.0.92-0ubuntu0.2.diff.gz :P [15:35] Yeah. Accepted. [15:36] thanks a ton [15:37] Is 4.10.3 in? yofel? [15:39] ScottK: it's not the wrong one, none of my pim mates are around though [15:39] ScottK: perhaps you should simply carry this upstream? [15:39] Riddell: what's the software that checks new upstream versions called? [15:39] shadeslayer: uscan? [15:39] watch? [15:39] uehs [15:39] uscan [15:39] shadeslayer: bzr co lp:dehs [15:39] apachelogger: I can't explain it. [15:39] aha [15:39] With debian/watch :P [15:40] ScottK: what are your settings btw? [15:41] apachelogger: Which ones? It's set up for disconnected IMAP. [15:41] I have several IMAP accounts set up with identical settings and only this one crashes. [15:42] But this one is over 200 Mb and almost 20K messages. [15:43] meh [15:43] ScottK: same server (software) too? [15:43] apachelogger: Yes. Same provider on the same server (several of them anyway) [15:44] apachelogger: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.1_raring.html [15:44] that thing ^^ [15:44] super strange [15:44] ScottK: well, I suggest you report this upstream [15:44] the thing is... the patch fixes the crash [15:45] it does not resolve the underlying issue of why it runs into an error to begin with [15:46] OK. [15:46] Not crashing is an improvement. [15:56] ScottK: so kdev-python in New is interesting licence wise [15:56] ScottK: it has (temporarily) an embedded python in it so I copied and pasted from python [15:56] ScottK: in debian/copyright [15:56] ScottK: and it has a mix of various things [15:56] various licences elsewhere [15:57] For Python, the embedding is permanent. For Python3, it'll go away with python3.4. [15:57] which upstream says is now all GPL 2 [15:57] (after I told him about kde's policy) [15:57] so he's changing those now in git but says we can copy them under gpl 2 right away, so I put that in d/copyright [15:58] ScottK: so it's in New now for your contemplation [16:03] Riddell: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/sftp-uploads [16:19] Quintasan: running saucy yes [16:19] shadeslayer: what's up with 4.10.1 ? [16:19] huh? [16:20] see ~half an hour ago [16:20] unless you meant to link to 4.10.3 [16:20] ahhh [16:20] that [16:20] me, Harald and Jonathan were discussing something [16:20] 4.10.3 is done except for an ABI bump in kde-workspace and some missing files elsewhere [16:21] I'll finish that later [16:21] we were discussing dehs stuff, and then that led to discussing parsing build output [16:22] ah [16:22] and I mentioned that we can just use some of the existing stuff to parse build output [16:24] anything that you consider missing? or was it about something else? [16:25] Actually, since it's pretty complete, which is why we were considering just using that script instead of writing more code [16:25] s/since// [16:25] shadeslayer meant: "Actually, it's pretty complete, which is why we were considering just using that script instead of writing more code" [16:27] argh [16:27] stupid locales [16:27] screwed up everything [16:34] Riddell: infomaniak.ch are very good [16:34] also depends on what services you want/need [16:35] * apachelogger looks at yofel [16:38] Mamarok: hmm, no root on server though? [16:39] about dehs: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm already tracks the upstream version [16:40] Riddell: hm, I would have to look around for that, then [16:40] although admittedly the package list needs updating [16:42] debfx: cor, none of us knew about that [16:42] debfx: is the source somewhere? [16:43] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-web [16:44] golly [16:49] it might be a good idea to just rent a server and register a domain to centralize our qa tools [16:55] Riddell: https://sourceforge.net/projects/soprano/files/Soprano/2.9.2/ please test when you have a chance? Sorry about bugging you so much - I think I've gotten the hang of this. [16:56] it is occationally mentioned that kubuntu should get a server but so far no killer reason to make it so [16:56] maybe medibuntu will be one [17:10] * Riddell uploads soprano, who says kubutu is slow! [17:23] Riddell: why in Switzerland? Some legal reason? [17:24] Mamarok: yeah, word on the streets is that's a good place for medibuntu hosting which blue systems is currently considering taking over [17:24] OK, makes sense, then [17:25] so what requirements do you have? Just so I can ask around what would be a good hoster [17:26] Mamarok: something I can ssh into and host web stuff on [17:26] and prefereably run ubuntu [17:29] OK [17:29] would a server running Debian be OK, too? [17:31] Mamarok: sure [17:37] Are you guys the Kubuntu experts? [17:37] * Riddell looks around [17:37] Am I in the right channel for troubleshooting Kubuntu? [17:38] that'd be #kubuntu [17:38] Im in the wrong channel? [17:38] apachelogger, he was just there , his question rather obscure so I figured you guys would jnow [17:39] I can get more specific [17:39] 'm using Kubuntu 11.04, and I am a Windows user who is still trying to get used to Linux. [17:39] Genyar, just describe what you want [17:39] to do [17:40] Genyar: please upgrade, 11.04 is no longer supported [17:40] I was going to upgrade yesterday [17:40] But I want to solve this problem first [17:40] But I made a stupid mistake early this morning when I was trying to create a new Yahoo email account. Because I got a security warning from Mozilla about third party visibility, I switched to using Reconq as my Web Browser. Then I registered a new Yahoo email account, and late in the registration process, Yahoo told me I need to update, upgrade and download some stuff in order to gain full access to the functionality of [17:40] the website I was using. [17:40] oops i didn't know it was 11.04 [17:41] Genyar: 11.04 is not supported. [17:41] so, you can't help me? [17:41] yes, please upgrade. [17:41] Yesterday it was safe to upgrade [17:41] my apologies , this isn't what was asked in #kubuntu [17:42] Today it is no longer safe to upgrade [17:42] says who ? [17:42] Because my Home directory may have been compromised [17:42] yeah, this is not support channel regardless, please switch to #kubuntu [17:43] I want to back up my Home directory before I upgrade to 12.04 [17:43] That's definitely a #kubuntu discussion. [17:43] ok [17:45] * yofel looks back at apachelogger [17:46] yofel: <3 [17:47] It appears there are no Kubuntu experts in the Kubuntu channel, I asked [17:47] But I'm not using Kubuntu to solve my problem [17:47] I'm using UNIX to solve my problem [17:48] You could actually ask that question in #ubuntu too. [17:48] (for that reason) [17:48] Is there a UNIX channel here? [17:48] More people there. [17:48] ok [18:04] ::qt-bugs:: [1178748] package libqt4-dbus 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: impossible d'installer le ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178748 (by craff) [18:09] ScottK: https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs/518cda9db0af525f3600459d [18:09] no this one https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518cda9db0af525f3600459d [18:09] "This board may be private. If someone gave you this link, they may need to invite you to one of their boards or organizations." [18:09] that looks wrong [18:10] ahoneybun is also not member of kubuntu on trello [18:10] hmm [18:10] https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518cda9db0af525f3600459d fixed [18:10] ahoneybun: does following https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101 help? [18:11] what make it public or to add you guys to it? [18:11] dunno, I haven't quite worked out the permissions on trello [18:12] can you see it? [18:12] ahoneybun: what's your e-mail for trello? [18:12] I'll add you to the kubuntu group [18:12] ok cool [18:12] aaronhoneycutt@outlook.com [18:13] ahoneybun: added you to https://trello.com/kubuntu [18:13] awesome ;) [18:13] then follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101 I think [18:13] I need to be a admin? [18:14] dunno I just did that to be on the safe side [18:14] oh ok [18:14] don't abuse it, remember what spiderman said! [18:14] I had no need for it so I will not [18:15] :) I'm here to help not hurt [18:16] fixy fixy, they are all my powers [18:16] muhahahaha [18:16] I think I should try to put it in the wiki one [18:19] I added it to the Kubuntu page [18:19] ahoneybun: I'm not sure you've organised the board as trello intends it [18:20] the vertical columns are normally todo, in progress and done or something similar [18:20] yea I know I just tried to get it some way that looks right to me [18:20] so you can move items between them as they get done [18:20] but I have like 3-5 xml files per page [18:20] so I needed a way to look at it that way [18:20] ahoneybun: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101#Creating_a_New_Board [18:20] yea... I know [18:24] fixing it [18:26] hiho [18:26] soee: hello [18:27] ahoneybun: so have lots of items in the todo list, or use sub-items for each item? [18:27] ahoneybun: the saucy packaging board uses lots of items in the todo list [18:27] yea [18:28] sub items? [18:29] you can have a checklist on a card [18:31] I see [18:31] whatever works best for you [18:31] make it work good for us all [18:35] some input please: [18:35] in kde-workspace, libkwinglutils1abi1.symbols has been broken since 4.9.80 it seems tracking abi2 in what's in fact abi1. [18:35] Since we're already shipping the different abi as abi1 in the release, I would just fix the symbol file to say abi1 again so there's no full-symbol diff in the buildlog anymore. [18:35] any reason why I shouldn't do that? [18:37] none IMO [18:38] I wonder how that could happen [18:38] but yeah just fix the symbol file [18:38] Riddell, may I ask briefly if those of us in the Xubuntu camp may be able to talk about access to the Mumble server your team used last UDS? We're thinking about taking our blueprints and shifting outside the UDS hours so we can accommodate our team a little better. [18:38] ^^ [18:39] mmmmmm [18:39] ack [18:40] Riddell: apachelogger how about now? [18:40] https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-raring-ringtail/518d39bc9433cf5507000173 [18:41] skellat: I own that currently, and you can use it if you want and it works for you [18:43] ahoneybun: looks good, can you add some kubuntu people so we can edit it if needed? [18:43] yofel: Okay. We're still looking at our options and trying to come to a decision hopefully either today or this weekend. We've got a few other options we're looking at too. [18:44] no problem :) who? [18:44] me! [18:44] Darkwing/david wonderly [18:44] valorie too [18:44] done [18:44] yofel: I will get back to you ASAP after I continue discussion further with knome. Again, thank you. [18:44] skellat: the hostname is yofel-vz.dyndns.org, and has no password if you want to try it [18:45] ahoneybun: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Trello101?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=trello03.png [18:45] yofel: Thank you. [18:45] note that setting [18:45] Riddell: is it not safe to add all the members? [18:45] if you set it we can join ourselfs ^^ [18:45] ahoneybun: yeah that would be fine too [18:45] ahoneybun: everyone you add will get a notification [18:45] * Riddell feels great responsiblity [18:46] so setting that option is preferred over adding everyone ^^ [18:46] apachelogger: done thanks [18:46] skellat: what's the word on the street from xubuntu about Mir? [18:46] ^^ [18:47] Riddell: what about Kubuntu? [18:47] skellat: Haven't even talked about it yet. That's going to be folded into our "Forward-Looking Issues" blueprint discussion. [18:48] s/skellat/Riddell/ [18:48] skellat meant: "Riddell: Haven't even talked about it yet. That's going to be folded into our "Forward-Looking Issues" blueprint discussion." [18:48] ahoneybun: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/08/notes-breakout-sessions-mataro-sessions-ii has some notes from a discussion with KWin dude [18:50] what is Weston? [18:50] the default wayland compositor (i.e. what kwin is for KDE) [18:50] for KDE/X [18:50] you can install weston in raring and run it under X quite nicely [18:51] comes with a basic desktop too [18:51] oh ok [18:51] haven't played with wayland much yet. As I have mostly nvidia GPU's my interest in wayland is kinda limited so far [18:52] that was my worry about picking Kubuntu as my KDE distro of choice with X/Wayland/Mir stuff going on [18:52] Riddell: how do you make that blue text? [18:53] ahoneybun, it's a url link auto generates blue font [18:54] no no that Riddell feels great responsiblity [18:54] ahoneybun: Do /me the the text you want to say. [18:54] s/the the/then the/ [18:54] ScottK meant: "ahoneybun: Do /me then the text you want to say." [18:55] * ahoneybun is downloading Left 4 Dead 2 beta on Linux [18:55] There you go. [18:56] thanks [18:56] does it still say that I am away [18:56] ? [18:56] oh yeah , forgot about that ...thought it was just my client text that was blue [18:57] apachelogger: how can you make the checklist turn 100%> [18:57] ahoneybun: you're maked away here [18:57] ahoneybun: '/back' should fix that [18:58] still? [18:58] I think that fixed [18:58] *now* it's fixed [18:59] weird it show as the Nicks that I am back not after I put /back but the thing next to my text box has me still as away oh well [19:00] * ahoneybun is proud to have admin power [19:01] yeah, happens here too. Quassel isn't too great with being away ^^ [19:01] I see I'm on Quassel too [19:12] ScottK: could you take a look at bug 1174689 when you have time please? The raring SRU should be somewhere in the upload queue [19:12] bug 1174689 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu Raring) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 [19:18] what is SRU ? [19:18] !sru [19:18] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [19:25] * yofel throws konqi figures after shadeslayer for not committing his kde4libs upload to bzr [20:12] ::qt-bugs:: [1178748] package libqt4-dbus 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: impossible d'installer le ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178748 (by craff) [20:16] yofel: I'm a little concerned about that SRU since it also drops lowfat, which seems a bit not like an SRU. [20:17] ScottK: huh? The SRU has none of Harald's changes [20:17] yofel: Oh. I'll look. [20:17]