[03:21] <crackerjackz> how do i undo lubuntu encryption? i can't boot from any live cds or anything and the bios doesn't detect my hardware or anything... it wont let me do anything with my computer at all until enter the password but then it immediately boots into lubuntu
[03:39] <crackerjackz> what does lubuntu use for encryption?
[03:43] <Unit193> What encryption?  Sounds like your talking about a system/BIOS password.
[03:44] <crackerjackz> no i can get into my bios
[03:44] <crackerjackz> i encrypted my hard drive
[03:44] <crackerjackz> using lubuntu encryption
[03:44] <crackerjackz> it gave me the option to encrypt my entire hard disk
[03:46] <crackerjackz> brb
[05:34] <hpuser4466> What USB WiFi device works with lubuntu 12.04 Out of the box??  Plug n Play.
[05:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: i wouldnt personally trust that information.. chipsets can be switched without notice
[05:35] <hpuser4466> Is there a recent device that's known to work?
[05:36] <holstein> hpuser4466: sure.. but the chipset can change at *any* time.. so i, nor anyone else can guarantee you that except for the manufaturer
[05:36] <holstein> hpuser4466: its getting much easier to use hardware like that. i would just go get one and save the reciept
[05:36] <Unit193> In theory you can check on http://friendly.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <holstein> yup.. and if its wrong, you get a full refund :)
[05:37] <Unit193> Indeed, as long as you remember where you put the reciept. :P
[05:37] <hpuser4466> yeah, i just bought a wifi dongle based on the information I got from ubuntu wifi website, and guess what?  It didn't work out of the box.  Although I came with drivers which have to be compiled from source code.
[05:38] <holstein> i would just keep trying.. thats what i did looking for a firewire pciexpress card with a texas instruments chipset
[05:41] <hpuser4466> Ok.. I'm looking for a device that's easy to use for beginners so it has to be plug n play and "just work" with no compiliing or installing drivers.
[05:43] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would literally go to the store.. buy one.. try it.. return it.. try again.. if that process is to much hassle, take a live CD and ask them to open the device
[05:45] <hpuser4466> I prefer to buy online because it's much cheaper, so it won't be possible to test before buying and returns or refunds could be a problem.
[05:45] <hpuser4466> Surely, some device is known absoutely to work. Tried and tested.
[05:45] <hpuser4466> Just a wifi usb dongle.
[05:46] <holstein> i have literally waled into bestbuy and said "i will be returning this after i take it home and try it with linux, then i will buy it on amazon"
[05:46] <hpuser4466> So i can send to a linux noob and say "here you go, plug this into your pc and connect wifi" Done.
[05:46] <holstein> walked*
[05:47] <holstein> hpuser4466: what you are asking for is a question that is to be answered by the creator of the hardware
[05:50] <hpuser4466> Do lubuntu updates update the driver modules also?
[05:50] <hpuser4466> If so i might have a chance of getting my D-Link wifi to work again.
[05:51] <hpuser4466> Didn't work last time, but a lot has been updated since then.
[05:52] <hpuser4466> thanks anway. I'll do more testing
[05:59] <hpuser4466> I bought a usb WiFi with RT5370 chipset.   Is it possible to enable this device easily?
[05:59] <holstein> lol
[05:59] <holstein> hpuser4466: potentially
[05:59] <hpuser4466> lsusb shows the device.
[06:00] <holstein> hpuser4466: http://askubuntu.com/questions/163598/how-do-i-install-wireless-drivers-for-ralink-rt5370-offline looks like what i would try
[06:01] <hpuser4466> Remember I said this is for a NOOB  I'm assuming has NO linux experience and NO internet connected (no wifi).
[06:01] <hpuser4466> I suppose i could compile the driver and package it in some kind of installer.
[06:02] <hpuser4466> As long as kernel updates don't mess  it up.
[06:02] <holstein> hpuser4466: pin it.. dont do upgrades..
[06:03] <holstein> you will need to compile the kernel modules for each new kernel AFAIK
[06:04] <Unit193> Does it use DKMS?  That'd make it much easier.
[06:05] <hpuser4466> i have the driver source.  I'll check
[06:07] <hpuser4466> looks like it uses driver rt2870.ko
[06:07] <hpuser4466> Says: supported kernels 2.4 and 2.6 series
[06:08] <hpuser4466> Tested in Redhat 7.3 or later
[06:09] <hpuser4466> Only 1 way to see if it works is to compile it.  What's the full build environment i should apt-get?
[06:11] <Unit193> !info build-essential
[06:12] <Unit193> It is for a different card, but may help if you want to setup dkms: http://carlivar.tumblr.com/post/10230485625/fixing-rt2870-usb-wireless-in-ubuntu-or-debian
[06:12] <hpuser4466> and kernel headers ?
[06:14] <Unit193> linux-headers-generic if you're using standard kernel.
[06:14] <hpuser4466> i have 3.2.0-41-generic
[06:17] <hpuser4466> Thanks for the dkms info. I'll keep that for later.  Firstly I'm compiling the native drivers.
[06:17] <hpuser4466> I also have a windows .exe installer but can't extract the .exe archive.
[06:18] <Unit193> (DKMS is just how you could handle kernel updates more easily.)
[06:18] <hpuser4466> thanks the dkms looks to be what i need
[06:19] <hpuser4466> I thought of another strategy though. To extract the windows drivers in XP and copy them across to linux for ndisgtk
[06:20] <hpuser4466> I discovered i need more than the .inf file. It must rely on a batch of files included with the inf.  I would need to copy the associated files also.
[06:21] <hpuser4466> OK.. I decided to use windows driver 1st.  Then compile linux source if ndisgtk fails.
[06:23] <hpuser4466> My theory is to repackage the windows drivers int a linux installer for ndisgtk.
[06:23] <Unit193> Right, anywho I'm out.
[06:23] <hpuser4466> thanks
[06:26] <hpuser4466> Another thing is that beginner noobs need user friendly installers.  Compiling from source isn't good enough.. Just thought i'd add that.
[06:26] <hpuser4466> It MUST be user freindly
[06:27] <hpuser4466> I sell Lubuntu PCs and require user friendly solutions.
[06:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: the manufactures are welcome and encouraged to make it as simple as possible
[06:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: sell them already configured
[06:27] <hpuser4466> I do.
[06:28] <holstein> already configure *is* user friendly
[06:28] <hpuser4466> But i sold a pc without wifi and i need a user friendly wifi dongle that works.
[06:28] <hpuser4466> Why do you think i'm hammering this topic?
[06:29] <hpuser4466> Some of us are in business with customers to support.
[06:30] <hpuser4466> now exuse me while I install the xp drivers..danke
[06:32] <hpuser4466> You soon discover all the faults and problems when selling linux pcs.
[06:33] <holstein> hpuser4466: i dont think its a problem or fault you are dealing with
[06:33] <hpuser4466> it's a massive problem if the customer can't get wifi
[06:33] <holstein> there are no drivers from the manufacturer that are "easy" to deal with apparently. thats not a fault
[06:33] <hpuser4466> all i want is a SIMPLE wifi dongle that's plug n play
[06:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: ask for one that supports the operating system yuo are using
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I DID.  I got 2 responses:
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I got a dongle with source code.
[06:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: otherwise, its a process of trial and error
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I got told "not sure sorry"
[06:34] <hpuser4466> Yes. Looks like it.
[06:35] <holstein> and, support is getting better accross the board, with newer hardware
[06:35] <holstein> hpuser4466: i usually do this.. i plug it in. if it works, i put it in a "good" pile.. if not, i put it in a "bad" pile
[06:35] <holstein> i check the bad pile occasionaly with different live CD's when im bored.. or i give them away to windows users
[06:36] <holstein> i dont waste time with old hardware much anymore though
[06:36] <hpuser4466> I refurbish laptops and sell them with Lubuntu.  That's why I need the solutions.
[06:37] <hpuser4466> Mostly older Pentium M and Core2Duos
[06:37] <holstein> hpuser4466: sell what you like.. but the support comes from the manufacturer ideally
[06:37] <holstein> hpuser4466: when you move up to newer hardware it gets easier
[06:37] <holstein> even the broadcom chips are open source firmware now
[06:38] <holstein> the kernel cant carry around all the old drivers for long though
[06:39] <hpuser4466>  Most internal WiFi chips work fine with Lubuntu,  but occasionally I get a problematic PC which needs USB WiFi.
[06:39] <holstein> hpuser4466: the fact that its internal or USB is irrelevant
[06:40] <hpuser4466> Well it's strange that internal seems to work most of the time
[06:40] <holstein> hpuser4466: its the chipset, and the driver suppport.. could be located anywhere. pci slot, usb whatever
[06:41] <hpuser4466> I could look at the kernel modles to see what wifi drivers are pre-installed and buy something compatible.
[06:41] <hpuser4466> kernel modules folder
[06:41] <holstein> sure. assuming the manufacturer will let you know what chipset it is
[06:41] <holstein> and, if it is indeed that chipset
[06:42] <hpuser4466> although not every driver is named the same as the chipset.
[06:42] <holstein> hpuser4466: enjoy!..
[06:42] <hpuser4466> thanks for putting up with my complaints :- )
[06:42] <holstein> well, it helps that they have nothing to do with lubuntu ;)
[06:43] <holstein> but, im sure you'll sort it all out.. cheers!
[06:59] <hpuser4466> < Used linux for years & compiled kernels and many apps.
[07:00] <hpuser4466> But my customers maybe noobs..that's why I need user friendly solutions..( ie no compiling )
[07:01] <hpuser4466> now where does windows store it's wif drivers..hmmm
[07:05] <hpuser4466> Does ndisgtk use dll files or only inf?
[07:11] <hpuser4466> ah.     .sys and .inf apparently
[07:17] <hpuser4466> Happy profit making :- )
[13:03] <bambam1> What kind of hardware is Lubuntu most suitable for and what's the definition of "old" hardware now-a-days?
[13:05] <Unit193> what do you have?
[13:05] <bambam1> My specs: (CPU: Intel Pentium 4 630 Prescott 3.0GHz, RAM: 3.5 GB DDR2 @ 533 MHz, GPU: Nvidia GT 610, SATA II HDD)
[13:06] <Unit193> That'd work fine.
[13:06] <Unit193> Was a bit slow when I had it on 500MHz, and 512M ram.
[13:06] <bambam1> Old laptop or something?
[13:07] <Unit193> Desktop, actually.
[13:10] <bambam1> Lubuntu looks amazing now-a-days
[13:10] <bambam1> Quite an improvement over the previous releases
[13:10] <bambam1> Such a clean UI
[13:11] <Unit193> Yep, pretty nice.
[13:25]  * pmatulis upgraded to 13.04 last night.  all good so far
[14:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Kicking back and relaxing... waiting for the Lubuntu "customers" to trickle in... :)
[15:52] <Marvin_> hi
[15:54] <Marvin_> why are only the 12.4 alternates linked in the download-area?
[16:27] <holstein> Marvin_: what are you looking for? a 13.04 alternate cd?
[16:28] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/ lists them.. if they are not on the main site, i would think it could be due to the fact that if someone wants/needs the alternate, they would know how to find it
[16:57] <Marvin_> jea changing the url does work too
[20:54] <J29> I've run into a problem. I purchased a HP 2000 laptop (it came with Windows 8) and downloaded lubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso I tried to install Lubuntu 13.04 to dual boot, but grub will not install. Now when I changed the boot order to boot from the dvd, it was BIOS and not UEFI but Lubuntu tries to install grub-efi-amd64 and not grub-pc. What should I do since this is the only 64-bit download of Lubuntu?
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> J29: It probably had to do with the Windows 8 specification.
[20:56] <Unit193> !uefi | I'd assume this page has nothing for when it isn't UEFI and supposed to be?
[20:57] <Unit193> EFI is a requirement of 8, so not sure how that happened.
[22:39] <plotino> hi everybody
[22:40] <plotino> i have some difficulties to configure grub on my lubuntu
[22:40] <plotino> in particular, i would like to set a  default choice to my kernel generic
[22:40] <plotino> but when grub has been installed, it created some special menu and sub menu
[22:41] <plotino> hoe to change them?