[01:04] <moocow1452> Anyone good with SurfaceFlinger and hwcomposer?
[01:51] <Jroc0912> hey there. I have an evo 4g lte and a toshiba thrive that I would love to have running Ubuntu. I have rummaged through countless forums today and all posts about it has seemed to stop over a month ago. Does anybody know if there has been any progress on these devices or when I will be able to get a fully functional Ubuntu up and running on them
[01:56] <Jroc0912> ugh guess not. Thanks for being helpful
[03:55] <Mirv> kenvandine: xembed patch is in the 5.0.2 qtbase package
[06:14] <Mirv> renato_: did you see your commit comments in gerrit? since it wouldn't be acceptable as is, I think I'll remove the patch from our qtpim as well for now until a solution acceptable to upstream is found
[06:17] <chriadam> which QtPim backend are you using, out of interest?  An updated version of the syncevolution one?  Or something else?
[06:20] <Mirv> chriadam: just packaging a snapshot from https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtpim, nothing else
[06:20] <chriadam> Mirv: ah ok
[07:36] <popey> morning
[09:50] <oSoMoN> mardy_: hey, I filed bug #1178552 to follow up on bug #1177964, could you please confirm it?
[09:51] <mardy_> oSoMoN: yep, looks good
[09:53] <oSoMoN> mardy_: so, could you please set the status to 'Confirmed'?
[09:54] <mardy_> oSoMoN: ops, done
[09:55] <oSoMoN> thx
[10:02] <oSoMoN> mardy_: could you please also confirm bug #1178601 ?
[10:02] <mardy_> oSoMoN: done, thanks
[11:58] <tux1986> hello everybody
[12:01] <tux1986> does somebody know wether the adb tools found the nexus that run with ubuntu 13.04 or something like that or only if adnroid on the nexus?
[12:02] <tux1986> i want to run ubuntu touch on nexus 7 and adb did not found the device with running ubuntu 13.04 on it
[12:02] <ogra_> there is no adb ... its the desktop install ...
[12:03] <ogra_> boot into recovery mode and use the manual install method described on the touch install wiki
[12:04] <tux1986> it used adb on the desktop too if see write
[12:10] <tux1986> i have installed ubuntu 13.04 installed on the nexus 7 and want to install ubuntu touch like the wiki says and it failed at 'adb devices' with device not found
[12:25] <ogra_> there is no adb ... its the desktop install ...
[12:25] <ogra_> boot into recovery mode and use the manual install method described on the touch install wiki
[12:26] <ogra_> (see, i can repeat my answers as well ... )
[12:29] <tux1986> i do it like you says ogra i change the nexus in recovery mode and run adb push on the desktop
[12:30] <ogra_> good
[12:30] <tux1986> it says device not found
[12:30] <ogra_> adb says that ?
[12:30] <ogra_> works here
[12:31] <ogra_> did you do all the preparation stuff described higher above in the wiki ?
[12:31] <ogra_> (adb restart=server etc)
[12:31] <ogra_> s/=/-/
[12:37] <tux1986> ok some restarts latter  adb devices displays me the device and adb push is running
[12:38] <ogra_> great :)
[12:38] <tux1986> adb is running and display no output is it right?
[12:39] <ogra_> for the armhf zip ?
[12:39] <ogra_> its quite big, it takes a while ...
[12:40] <tux1986> who long does it run?
[12:40] <ogra_> 10min or so
[12:40] <tux1986> ok i wait a while ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> the armel grouper zip is surely faster :)
[12:42] <tux1986> i run http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[12:42] <ogra_> (make sure you do both zips in the right order, that is very important)
[12:43] <ogra_> (like the wiki describes)
[12:44] <user82> does someone have ubuntu touch on a nexus 4? for me it was really really laggy, especially in the dropdown menu. is that normal?
[12:45] <ogra_> many do ...
[12:45] <ogra_> and it should not be laggy on the n4 at all
[12:45] <ogra_> sounds like you found some bug
[12:45] <user82> oh too bad. for me it was quite laggy in the dropdown menus. unusable i would say
[12:45] <sergiusens> actually depends on the device... but 10 min is a got average for the slowest one
[12:45] <user82> maybe i test a daily "end of may" again
[12:57] <pmcgowan> user82, sounds like there must be something eating up you cpu, can you check top and the logs
[12:57] <pmcgowan> user82, it should no appear at all slow
[12:57] <user82> ok thanks pmcgowan
[12:57] <user82> i flashed back my android but if the problem persists with the first 3g rom(where i will start using ubuntu) i will look into it
[12:58] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:02]  * ogra_ really wonders hwy the saucy zip is so much smaller than the raring one
[13:02] <ogra_> s/hwy/why/
[13:03] <pmcgowan> ogra_, have you diffed the manifests?
[13:03] <ogra_> not yet
[13:03] <ogra_> its 495 vs 524M
[13:03] <ogra_> waiting for the first fully automated build in 2h
[13:03] <pmcgowan> maybe all those double versions were cleaned up
[13:04] <ogra_> my test of the last saucy image didnt really show any nis-function
[13:04] <pmcgowan> yep
[13:04] <ogra_> *mis
[13:04] <pmcgowan> also, I think we just dropped python2.7
[13:04] <ogra_> but then that was on friday .... and yesyerdays build was having Qt issues
[13:04] <ogra_> in about 2h there should be a working build i will test
[13:05] <pmcgowan> cool
[13:05] <ogra_> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/  btw
[13:20] <pmcgowan> ogra_, aha we drop the preview and so its real
[13:21] <ogra_> yeah
[13:21] <Mirv> boiko: hi, you probably noticed the bug reports and e-mails. phone-app / qt pim should all work now again, but it'd be nice if you rechecked
[13:21] <boiko> Mirv: nice! thanks for looking into that
[13:21] <ogra_> it still uses a gross hack to produce the zip from the tarball ...
[13:21] <ogra_> until we have a bionic cross toolcahin in the archive
[13:21] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:22] <pmcgowan> do you have an alternate settings to use it with p-f?
[13:22] <pmcgowan> ogra_, ^^
[13:22] <ogra_> nope
[13:23] <ogra_> we should just switch the default once we know its safe
[13:23] <pmcgowan> just thought it would make it easier to get more testing, let me look
[13:23] <ogra_> until we do, i would call it experimental enough that people can just use the manual method
[13:24] <ogra_> do a normal p-f with the latest ... then adb push the saucy zip to autodeploy.zip and reboot recovery ....
[13:26] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I am too lazy for that, I have an alternate settings already
[13:26] <ogra_> well, p-f would need some changes until we start shipping tteh android bits in ubuntu-touch/ anyway
[13:27] <ogra_> which again hangs on the bionic toolchain
[13:27] <pmcgowan> ogra_, oh you dont have the android stuff there at all
[13:27] <ogra_> (like most other image realted stuff)
[13:27] <pmcgowan> whats the diff between phablet and touch zips
[13:28] <ogra_> you mean the android layer ?
[13:28] <ogra_> there is none, we dont produce android stuff in saucy at all yet
[13:28] <pmcgowan> so we cant really switch until thats done
[13:28] <sergiusens> Mirv: I approved your sensors MR
[13:29] <ogra_> we can ... by using the android zips we have from jenkins
[13:29] <Mirv> sergiusens: thanks. 2 down, 1 to go (qtwebkit)
[13:29] <ogra_> the resulting zip should be the same either way
[13:29] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan difference is what is in ppa:phablet-team
[13:29] <pmcgowan> ogra_, so the current dir will look the same, just manually copy them to it
[13:29] <ogra_> and i could just sync into ubuntu-touch/
[13:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, on the android layer ?
[13:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I was asking the diff between phablet.zip and touch.zip
[13:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: is network manager fixed?
[13:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope
[13:30] <ogra_> i dont think there were any fixes at all since last friday
[13:30] <ogra_> apart from me working on image building
[13:31] <ogra_> cyphermox,  ^^^ is merging NM on your TODO ?
[13:31] <pmcgowan> do we have a hitlist of things to do before saucy transition
[13:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: so what I'm saying is, if hybris changes today, the android layer will change but saucy won't (ppa:phablet-team)
[13:31] <user82> pmcgowan, i do not know the details but is it completely impossible to include dalvikvm in ubuntu touch? licence or tech wise?
[13:32] <ogra_> pmcgowan, phablet.zip vs touch.zip is differing in the underlying system ... beyond that they use the same PPAs (until finally everyone starts uploading too saucy instead of PPAs
[13:32] <ogra_> )
[13:32] <sergiusens> user82: you can do it tech wise, but it's not the focus
[13:32] <user82> ok sergiusens
[13:32] <pmcgowan> user82, tech wise no, license would also be ok but would cause other issues for manufacturers
[13:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, could you copy that to saucy then ?
[13:32] <user82> ok
[13:33] <pmcgowan> also dalvik is just the VM, you ned to look into the runtime deps
[13:33] <pmcgowan> so its a big thing tech qise
[13:33] <pmcgowan> wise
[13:33] <user82> allright thanks. do not really miss it once the basic apps are complete more a question of personal interest
[13:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: it hasn't changed yet ;-)
[13:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, oops, missed the "if" :)
[13:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I didnt understand the last answer, I see a touch_armhf.tar.gz and a phablet_armhf.zip
[13:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: but those should land for saucy if they change eventually
[13:34] <pmcgowan> why two things
[13:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: the META-INF, is it the same one from raring or did you fork it?
[13:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, oops, thanks ! ... typo in my evil script !
[13:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, i had to fork it minimally ...
[13:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, sergiusens I think we have a session next week to review the transition and ensure we have all the pre-requisite steps
[13:35] <mibofra> oi ciao :))
[13:35] <pmcgowan> is that true?
[13:35] <sergiusens> if it's not there we should!
[13:35] <pmcgowan> right, we need to do the blueprint today if its not there
[13:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: was that in the list of BPs you were going to setup?
[13:35] <mibofra> ops sorry XD
[13:36] <mibofra> I've changed channel guys XD
[13:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope, just raw hackery yet...
[13:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, run_program("/sbin/mv", "/data/ubuntu_tmp_extract", "/data/ubuntu");
[13:36] <ogra_> in updater-script
[13:36] <ogra_> the official tarballs dont have a "binary" toplevel dir, just /
[13:39] <ogra_> pmcgowan, phablet vs touch fixed ... the new build should come out at preinstalled-touch like it should
[13:39] <ogra_> s/at/as/
[13:39] <pmcgowan> ogra_, ok
[13:39] <jhodapp> sergiusens, the sensor MR worked for you? Did you build your own package and install it to the target?
[13:39] <sergiusens> jhodapp: hey, just say you claimed the review
[13:40] <pmcgowan> ogra_, can you make a bp for the saucy image work
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: I already Happroved, we can switch back
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: well I fixed the build, then used the deb that came out of jenkins
[13:40] <jhodapp> sergiusens, no that's ok, if you got it to work then it must be working...I don't know why it didn't work for me
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: seem my comment :-)
[13:40] <ogra_> pmcgowan, on my TODO already ... just didnt register it yet
[13:40] <pmcgowan> vg thanks
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: tried on maguro, and can try on manta as well if it makes sense
[13:40] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, will we spin a new raring build this morning?
[13:41] <jhodapp> sergiusens, couldn't hurt to try it on manta
[13:41] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: the webkit bug isnt' fixed yet... and the sensors was just looked at today... so it would be broken
[13:41] <jhodapp> sergiusens, what build # did you try this on?
[13:42] <sergiusens> jhodapp: 119
[13:42] <sergiusens> jhodapp: my manta has 118 with a dist-upgrade I did to track down the issue... I'll test there too
[13:42] <jhodapp> sergiusens, ok, leave it as approved then...my setup must be funny then
[13:43] <sergiusens> jhodapp: nah, pulling out the manta :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> wasnt 119 broken ?
[13:44] <ogra_> (due to Qt)
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, btw, tell me once i can enable syncing again, i see colin switched it off
[13:45] <Mirv> jhodapp: I tried the sensors on a mako
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah 119 is broken
[13:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, works ok?
[13:45] <Mirv> jhodapp: yes, I wouldn't have submitted the merge proposal otherwise :)
[13:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, do you have a galaxy nexus?
[13:46] <Mirv> jhodapp: I did notice your supplied qtsensors.qml used the dummy output unless I disabled that plugin, but it gave the "Registered..." text in all cases and all apps worked
[13:46] <sergiusens> Mirv: jhodapp works fine on manta as well
[13:46] <Mirv> jhodapp: unfortunately not
[13:46] <jhodapp> sergiusens, awesome, thanks
[13:46] <Mirv> sergiusens: ok, thanks
[13:46] <jhodapp> Mirv, hmm ok, you should probably see about getting one since that's our primary target atm.
[13:47] <ogra_> ++
[13:47] <sergiusens> jhodapp: I won't Happrove since I see you added Needs Fixing ;-)
[13:48] <ogra_> they are hard to get though ...
[13:48] <sergiusens> jhodapp: you can download the deb from the MR btw
[13:48] <jhodapp> sergiusens, now you can Happrove
[13:48] <sergiusens> jhodapp: maguro is the target, but not everyone is going to have one as you can't buy them anymore
[13:49] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, we have 4 reference designs, not everyone can have all of them
[13:49] <jhodapp> sergiusens, oh really, hmm
[13:49] <pmcgowan> nexus is mainly prime for devs since its the lowest capability
[13:49] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: they are all nexus ;-)
[13:49] <pmcgowan> indeed
[13:49] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, makes sense...I though Mirv might want one for testing out the performance of new Qt versions on low-end hardware
[13:49] <Mirv> jhodapp: before last week I didn't have any device, so I'm happy I have at least one device. my arm Qt building is also doable with that in case needed.
[13:50] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, I think some others can do that
[13:50] <jhodapp> right
[13:50] <sergiusens> Mirv: so what's the issue with qtwebkit and the patch not applying?
[13:53] <ogra_> jhodapp, thats why we have a QA team ;)
[13:54] <ogra_> we need to make more use of them
[13:54] <Mirv> sergiusens: if you take  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src , and try to apply the add_experimentalDevicePixelRatio.patch as it was until bzr26 in that branch on top of Qt 5.0.2, it fails
[13:54] <jhodapp> ogra_, QA team, what's that? ;p
[13:54] <ogra_> as soon as the word "test" comes up in a sentence it should scream QA to you ;)
[13:54] <Mirv> sergiusens: so I modified the patch to apply, see bzr diff -r 26..27, and the first thought would be that I modified it wrong and that's why it doesn't work. the other option is that something else changed in qtwebkit 5.0.2
[14:03] <cyphermox> ogra_: yes, it is
[14:04] <ogra_> ah, cool, so the saucy image should work then
[14:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: cyphermox in the TODO or done?
[14:11] <ogra_> oh, heh
[14:11]  * ogra_ was assuming a yes to the merge :) not to the list addition
[14:11] <cyphermox> ogra_: in todo
[14:11] <ogra_> k
[14:12] <cyphermox> I can't just take the patches that were on raring/quantal for touch, they're not right for desktop
[14:13] <cyphermox> where can I try the saucy image?
[14:13] <ogra_> soon from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/
[14:13] <ogra_> the 20130510/ image should start being usable
[14:14] <ogra_> (i hope)
[14:14] <ogra_> cdimage should spit it out within the next hour
[14:33] <jmanuel_cool> hi
[14:33] <jmanuel_cool> someone speak spanish?????
[14:34] <ogra_> people in spain do ... i heard
[14:34] <jmanuel_cool> ok, can i install ubuntu touch on my huawei UM840???
[14:35] <ogra_> check the devices wikipage
[14:35] <jmanuel_cool> i was reading wiki, but can't find this hardware
[14:35] <ogra_> !devices | jmanuel_cool
[14:35] <ogra_> if it isnt there you can do a port (or try to find somebody to do it for you)
[14:35] <jmanuel_cool> thank ogra_
[14:35] <ogra_> !porting | jmanuel_cool
[14:36] <ogra_> !ports | jmanuel_cool
[14:36] <ogra_> bah
[14:36] <ogra_> popey, dont we have a command for the ports page ?
[14:36] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: that's sound cool, but i'm not programmer :'C
[14:37] <ogra_> (teh porting link is in the channel topic btw)
[14:38] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: i find this device https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/u8815 << which is similar (but not equal) hardware, but wikipage is empty
[14:38]  * jmanuel_cool apologize for his worst english
[14:39] <ogra_> i can understand you ... so your english is good enough :)
[14:39] <ogra_> the page has links in the top table
[14:39] <popey> ogra_: dont think so
[14:41] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: i'm reading links, but job can be rude
[14:43] <jmanuel_cool> well, i have other smartphone like mine, but the touch screen is broken (image can be displayed, but "tactil" don't work), i think to try with this
[14:44] <popey> ogra_: is ubuntu_stamp going to move at some point?
[14:44] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ubuntu_stamp will be somewhere else?
[14:44] <ogra_> its a jenkins thing
[14:45] <popey> I mean, the directory structure is changing?
[14:45] <popey> s/-preview// ?
[14:45] <ogra_> if we dont use jenkins, the cdimage dir and .disk/info files are your stamp as on every other ubuntu install
[14:46] <ogra_> right, cdimage buiulds should not have the -preview anymore
[14:46] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ubuntu_stamp is missing because the build was done manually, not via jenkins?
[14:46] <popey> (I want to monitor that file so I know when a new build is done)
[14:46] <jmanuel_cool> ok, another question, ¿what environment this use? ¿can i use other? like e16/17
[14:46] <ogra_> popey, not manually, via a proper buildsystem :)
[14:47] <popey> meow
[14:47] <popey> ☻
[14:47] <ogra_> jmanuel_cool, no, there is no Xorg on the images, so you can not use any apps that use X
[14:48] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: ??????
[14:48] <ogra_> jmanuel_cool, ubuntu-touch does not use X
[14:48] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: why?????
[14:49] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: >> http://g300.thebronasium.com/screenshots/ubuntu/device-2013-02-27-211800_thumb.png << it's a joke?????
[14:49] <ogra_> because it will use Mir (and currently uses androids SurfaceFlinger) as display server
[14:49] <ogra_> no, thats how ubuntu-touch looks like
[14:50] <popey> if you're looking at it from a far away..
[14:50] <ogra_> but it does use its own display server, X applications do not run
[14:51] <Mirv> (yet)
[14:52] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: ok, now i understand
[14:52] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: porting link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[14:53] <ogra_> popey, wget -q -O - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/| html2text |grep " 2013"|tail -1|cut -d" " -f2
[14:54] <ogra_> should work until end of the year :)
[14:54] <popey> hah
[14:54] <popey> thanks
[14:54] <ogra_> (can surely be cleaner, thats just a quick and dirty one)
[14:55] <popey> are we moving away from build numbers to build dates?
[14:55] <ogra_> we are moving towards the generic build system
[14:56] <popey> hm
[14:56] <ogra_> which does "$datestamp.$sequence"
[14:56] <ogra_> (mitting .$sequence if $sequence is empty)
[14:56] <ogra_> *omitting
[15:04] <sergiusens> Mirv: do you mind removing the current qtwebkit build? I copied the ~test3 one to phablet-team just in case... if so we can re enable the builds and fix this in parallel
[15:17]  * jmanuel_cool downloading everything for flash his device
[15:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan I compared the manifests, packagewise, usb and consolekit are the only removals I can quickly see
[15:18] <ogra_> usb ?
[15:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: libgusb2:armhf 0.1.5-0ubuntu1 and  libusb-1.0-0:armhf 2:1.0.12-2ubuntu1
[15:20] <ogra_> ah
[15:20] <ogra_> yeah that switches to 2.0 afaik
[15:20] <ogra_> and CK is dead and gone
[15:21] <sergiusens> yup, still wouldn't explain the big image
[15:21] <ogra_> not really
[15:21] <ogra_> i mean, binaries might be smaller due to gcc 4.8 .... but not to that extend
[15:21] <sergiusens> unless it's a livebuild thing...
[15:22] <popey> compression level?
[15:22] <ogra_> we use -9 on cdimage
[15:22] <ogra_> -9 --rsyncable actually
[15:22] <ogra_> (for gziping the tarball)
[15:27] <smagster> back to the X11 ?....so is anyone working on it for ubuntu-touch
[15:28] <ogra_> ask in #ubuntu-mir
[15:28] <ogra_> but i doubt its in the focus
[15:28] <ogra_> (thats rather a 14.04 task)
[15:37]  * ogra_ would appreciate if people with other nexus devices could test the zip from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:39] <Mirv> sergiusens: I wouldn't remove it unless the old version is known to work with newer qt.. the version mismatch complaints (can't mix 5.0.1 with 5.0.2) come up often
[15:40] <kenvandine> aquarius, i took your maps patch and proposed it for you https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/friends-app/maps/+merge/163332
[15:41] <kenvandine> :)
[15:41]  * ogra_ kind of has the feeling that saucy is way more responsive
[15:41] <aquarius> hey kenvandine, sorry, I haven't had time to look at it :(
[15:41] <ogra_> but that might be a subjective impression or just wishful thinking
[15:41] <pmcgowan> ogra_, gcc enhancements?
[15:41] <ogra_> probably
[15:41] <ogra_> try it :)
[15:42] <kenvandine> aquarius, mind giving it a review?  i also tweaked some labels to make the location name look like it is a button
[15:42] <ogra_> no networking though
[15:42] <kenvandine> aquarius, no worries :)
[15:42] <pmcgowan> ogra_, no networking!
[15:42] <ogra_> nope
[15:42] <ogra_> it uses network-manager from the archive which doesnt have the patches yet
[15:42] <aquarius> kenvandine, I did note that dropping letters now doesn't have any music on my desktop, presumably because the phone can't do music?
[15:43] <kenvandine> aquarius, right
[15:43] <kenvandine> i couldn't figure out how to make it fail gracefully
[15:43] <kenvandine> instead of crashing
[15:45] <Mirv> sergiusens: tested downgrading quickly and webrowser-app continues to work, so removed for now (a copy is still in qt5-beta-proper). I do have a memory that qtwebkit didn't appear to have the version clash problem at some point earlier, so maybe it just works.
[15:45] <Mirv> sergiusens: if the webkit 5.0.2 is needed back, it can be copied
[15:46] <sergiusens> Mirv: ok, if we need it, we will need it with the webkit fix
[15:46] <sergiusens> *DPR fix
[15:48] <popey> ogra_: got intructions for manually installing those files on a nexus 4? I only ever use phablet-flash ☻
[15:49] <ogra_> popey, boot into recovery ... adb push /path/to/saucy/zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip; adb reboot recovery
[15:50] <aquarius> kenvandine, did the thing that meant that no posts had locations get fixed? that's why I didn't submit the branch before
[15:50] <popey> ogra_: ta
[15:50] <ogra_> works also without recovery but i dont know if the mapping of /sdcard is the same on the n4
[15:50] <kenvandine> i had a handful from facebook
[15:50] <popey> ogra_: no need for the tgz?
[15:50] <ogra_> nope
[15:50] <kenvandine> and of course foursquare all had them
[15:50] <popey> k
[15:50] <ogra_> just the zip
[15:50] <kenvandine> aquarius, so i tested it
[15:50] <aquarius> kenvandine, aah, that was it. I only use twitter, and twitter locations weren't showing up, so I couldn't test it properly
[15:51] <kenvandine> aquarius, for an easy way to test it, i removed all my other accounts
[15:51] <kenvandine> and just left foursquare :)
[15:51] <aquarius> kenvandine, which also means that I can't meaningfully review it, though :(
[15:51] <aquarius> s'pose I could just add a foursquare account, couldn't i?
[15:51] <kenvandine> hehe :)
[15:51] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:51] <kenvandine> if you remove your twitter account, the rows will get purged from the model
[15:52] <kenvandine> so you can then get a feed of just foursquare
[15:52] <kenvandine> just for testing
[15:56] <aquarius> kenvandine, oi! it doesn't *do* foursquare.
[15:57] <kenvandine> ?
[15:57] <aquarius> I have no option in online accounts to add a foursquare account.
[15:57] <kenvandine> friends-foursquare
[15:57] <kenvandine> install that
[15:57] <kenvandine> which should pull in account-plugin-foursquare
[15:57] <aquarius> oh
[15:57] <aquarius> heh
[15:58] <aquarius> friends doesn't depend on all its account types?
[15:58] <kenvandine> it does
[15:58] <kenvandine> the plugins do
[15:58] <kenvandine> you didn't have friends-foursquare installed
[15:58] <aquarius> but friends itself doesn't depend on all its plugins?
[15:58] <aquarius> how would I know that friends-foursquare existed?
[15:58] <kenvandine> nope
[15:58] <kenvandine> software center :)
[15:58] <kenvandine> it suggests them all
[15:59] <aquarius> ya, but friends is gonna be default, right?
[15:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:59] <kenvandine> on twitter and facebook are in main
[15:59] <kenvandine> different level of support
[15:59] <aquarius> at that point, either we should also ship all the plugins, or there should be some way of alerting the user that they can add foursquare, I think
[15:59] <aquarius> oh, we don't *want* people to add other plugins unless they know what they're doing?
[16:00] <kenvandine> well, i want them to
[16:00] <kenvandine> but we don't necessarily want to have to support everything plugin anyone contributes
[16:00] <kenvandine> we want to make sure it is well maintained
[16:00] <kenvandine> foursquare is though
[16:01] <kenvandine> we should come up with a way to make that more discoverable
[16:01] <aquarius> I have to actually remove my twitter account? I can't just block friends from accessing it?
[16:01] <kenvandine> but, if someone knows they want foursquare, they'll look in software center and see it's available
[16:01] <kenvandine> oh
[16:01] <kenvandine> you can probably just block it
[16:01] <kenvandine> if not... that's a bug :)
[16:02] <aquarius> disagree completely. It never would have occurred to me that Ubuntu even knows about foursquare.
[16:02] <aquarius> now, you can argue that my first thing would be to search for a foursquare app, and then I discover the Ubutnu foursquare integration...
[16:02] <kenvandine> aquarius, how would you install foursquare on your iphone?
[16:02] <kenvandine> right
[16:02] <kenvandine> search for foursquare would show friends
[16:02] <aquarius> right. If I look for an app.
[16:03] <aquarius> but bear in mind that, at least near the beginning, most app searches that people do will not have a result.
[16:03] <aquarius> so people won't instinctively hit the app store for everything, like they do on iphone/android now
[16:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:03] <kenvandine> if we get reliable location support we should add foursquare by default
[16:04] <aquarius> sweet, the maps work.
[16:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: just nticed the gallery app in the saucy build may be the busted one
[16:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, apart from that it works for you ?
[16:05] <ogra_> (and the other known bugs indeed)
[16:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, was also testing the save_my_stuff thing... both f the things I used to infer from the UI are broken :-P ... network and gallery
[16:06] <popey> fginther: when you get a chance, can you update the core apps daily ppa so that it builds for saucy as well as raring please?
[16:06] <ogra_> mediaplayer and sound too
[16:06] <ogra_> at least on the gnex
[16:07] <popey> i just get a black screen on saucy with gallery
[16:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: those should be fixed... so it might just need a series copy
[16:07] <sergiusens> popey: it's the bug from last week
[16:07] <popey> ah ok
[16:07] <ogra_> i wish people would just upload to saucy
[16:07] <ogra_> the backporting should be the copy ... not the forward port
[16:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: we have that task centralized
[16:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: one person flips the switch and it happens for everything
[16:08] <ogra_> well, if we dont switch asap we will have less time to fix saucy bugs
[16:08] <fginther> popey, it already is, is there an issue?
[16:09] <popey> oh! nope ☻
[16:10] <ogra_> a good citizen :)
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: sound may be broken because the pulseaudio thing...
[16:10] <ogra_> yeah
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: we should tag a raring release and move on
[16:10] <sergiusens> nmcli
[16:10] <ogra_> is there a bug filed for pulse ?
[16:11] <ogra_> well, phablet/network/setup shoould work too, no ?
[16:11] <ogra_> oops s/\//-/
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah...
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: but the polkit thing is what's broke
[16:11] <ogra_> ah
[16:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: iirc, cyphermox was waiting on the container flip to fix NM
[16:12] <ogra_> ok
[16:12] <ogra_> next onmy todo :)
[16:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can in the meantime create a greater nm version (whch I can later delete).
[16:12] <sergiusens> same would apply for mountall et.al.
[16:13] <ogra_> just bump it minimally. esle upgraders will never get the new one
[16:13] <sergiusens> popey: mind moving back to raring?
[16:13] <ogra_> mountall is fine
[16:13] <ogra_> we already get the PPA one by default
[16:14] <ogra_> i expect to have properly booting flipped image for all nexus devices by end of next week ... depending how much time UDS leaves me
[16:14] <popey> sergiusens: sure
[16:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack... although _upgraders_ is a story to be told much more in the future, was hoping these packages would be long gone by then
[16:14] <cyphermox> sergiusens: ogra_: we have some changes w/ logind and stuff, if it's in the chroot NM can just run...
[16:14] <ogra_> (flipped images without running surfaceflinger though)
[16:14] <sergiusens> popey: as soon as my saucy, save my stuff is ready, 'm going to ask you to update to that :-P
[16:16] <popey> ok
[16:17] <popey> how you doing save my stuff?
[16:17] <popey> my crappy script just zips up and adb pulls the zip file off
[16:17] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper
[16:17] <popey> then flashes then pushes the zip back on and unzips it
[16:19] <sergiusens> popey: I'm saving as part of the zip file :-)
[16:20] <popey> so will it cater for someone like me who has two devices?
[16:22] <user82> are daily changelogs available? did not find anything good in google
[16:32] <pmcgowan> user82, you can find the changelog for each build up on cdimage for example http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[16:32] <user82> thanks pmcgowan
[16:40] <Pat_PPOS> hi
[16:40] <Pat_PPOS> network doesn't work with saucy image ?
[16:41] <ogra_> yeah, known issue
[16:41] <ogra_> gallery, network, mediaplayer and sound
[16:42] <sergiusens> popey: pmcgowan https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/touch-preview-images/phablet-build-scripts/+merge/163338
[16:42] <popey> ok
[16:44] <Pat_PPOS> saucy image seems to be more fast or fluid
[16:44] <popey> sergiusens: so I'm running raring on this, do you want me to take some pictures and login to gmail etc to generate locat data/
[16:44] <popey> ?
[16:44] <popey> before following your steps
[16:44] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, I wrote some sort of testing instructions
[16:44] <sergiusens> and what to expect
[16:44] <popey> yeah, i see those, but it doesn't recommend creating data first
[16:45] <popey> just presumes I have some
[16:45] <ogra_> code wise it looks fine to me
[16:45] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you do a copy of gallery-app from raring to saucy in daily-build-next?
[16:45] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, so we can test that against raring I assume?
[16:46] <sergiusens> popey: doh... when I wrote check photos taken, forgot to write, 'take photos :-)
[16:46] <popey> ☻
[16:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: against anything actually... should just work
[16:46] <ogra_> sergiusens, not really
[16:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: just use the image I have uploaded
[16:47] <pmcgowan> that saveme.zip
[16:47] <ogra_> (on saucy i mean)
[16:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: not sure if the question was what you had to have installed on your system or to where
[16:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: but the image I uploaded is a saucy one ;-)
[16:48] <ogra_> oh
[16:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: sans binary ;-)
[16:48] <ogra_> sans binary ?
[16:48] <ogra_> how does that work ?
[16:48] <ogra_> i thought the binary is the interpreter for that script language
[16:49] <ogra_> oh, sans binary subdir you mean
[16:49]  * ogra_ thought update-binary
[16:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: lol... too much of a Friday
[16:51] <ogra_> heh
[17:03] <popey> sergiusens: looks good
[17:04] <popey> sergiusens: trying to phablet-flash back to 118 gives out of space error
[17:04] <popey> need to tidy up /sdcard
[17:07] <sergiusens> popey: heh... oh, that can be an issue for big homes :-/
[17:08] <popey> i only had 3 pictures
[17:08] <popey> (along with all the pictures/videos we pre-install)
[17:08] <popey> [which I'd quite like to remove]
[17:08] <ogra_> big pictures ?
[17:08] <ogra_> :)
[17:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's my weekend task... not populate messages, remove the demo stuff and create a script to add the demo content
[17:20] <popey> be nice to optionally add the core apps and collections ppa and the meta packages inside them
[17:20] <popey> basically..
[17:20] <popey> add-apt-repository -y ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/collection
[17:20] <popey> add-apt-repository -y ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily
[17:20] <popey> apt-get install --yes touch-collection touch-coreapps
[17:21] <pmcgowan> popey, my run command is not enabled in qtcreator, I seem to recall this before
[17:22] <sergiusens> popey: core_apps should be in the sources list
[17:22] <ogra_> yeah
[17:22] <popey> sergiusens: sure, but we've only approved some of them to be installed by default
[17:22] <popey> the "four C's"
[17:22] <popey> be nice for people to be able to test the others like file manager, rss reader etc
[17:23] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, but the sources list is already in, so no need to add-apt-repository
[17:23] <popey> pmcgowan: the green triangle button or the CTRL+F12 button?
[17:23] <popey> oh, okay, sorry
[17:23] <pmcgowan> run local
[17:23] <sergiusens> popey: we can certainly add the collections one
[17:23] <popey> pmcgowan: i haven't seen that for a while
[17:23] <pmcgowan> was working the other day
[17:23] <pmcgowan> foo
[17:24] <pmcgowan> qtc keeps crashing as well
[17:24] <pmcgowan> bah
[17:24] <popey> hmm
[17:24] <popey> actually
[17:24] <popey> i have a bunch of orphaned qtc windows
[17:25] <popey> its definitiely unwell
[17:26] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: latest phablet tools with bumped version is in ppa
[17:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ack
[17:27] <pmcgowan> popey, are you running from the PPA or raring
[17:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: other weekend task is to upgrade to saucy on the chromebook :-)
[17:27] <pmcgowan> qtc
[17:30] <pmcgowan> thats odd
[17:32]  * jackcy75 greets 
[17:35] <jackcy75> i got ubuntu touch developer preview running on a galaxy s3 i9300. then i wanted to test more current images. the cdimages from raring and saucy seem to install fine. but i get no output on the screen. do i have to change something on the xda developers image (ubuntu-for-i9300.zip)?
[17:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, uuuh, brave
[17:37] <sergiusens> ogra_: :-)
[17:37] <sergiusens> jackcy75: did you build yourself?
[17:38] <jackcy75> no, it was accomplished by an xda developer krassewelt: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38455532
[17:38] <jackcy75> based on one of the cm10.1 nighties (which work fine)
[17:39] <popey> pmcgowan: qtcreator  2.7.0-0ubuntu4~raring1~test5
[17:39] <ogra_> well, if there are changes in ubuntu it needs to be rebuild
[17:39] <kenvandine> sergiusens, sure
[17:39] <popey> (from the ppa)
[17:39] <pmcgowan> popey, hmm not seeing that
[17:39] <popey> from the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa
[17:39] <ogra_> jackcy75, ask him to do a fresh build (and he should do that regulary actually)
[17:40] <sergiusens> jackcy75: well, you probably need a new hybris and platform api if it is too old... do you know if patches exist, were made avail?
[17:41] <kenvandine> sergiusens, done
[17:41] <jackcy75> he has not officially submitted his work. but i could ask him to do so and/or allow me to continue his work.
[17:46] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks, one more random question, can a daily build be triggered for lp:qtubuntu-sensors ?
[17:46] <kenvandine> sure
[17:46] <sergiusens> jackcy75: well, you would probably need to rebuild
[17:47] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks!
[17:47] <jackcy75> ok. i think i can figure that out *G*
[17:49] <jackcy75> thank you
[18:02] <moocow1452> Anybody home?
[18:03] <popey> moocow1452: sure
[18:03] <moocow1452> I've been building for Nook, and finally got something that isn't a black screen.
[18:04] <popey> nice!
[18:04] <popey> is it a white screen? ㋛
[18:04] <moocow1452> Had to use the MWC build, touch screen doesn't work, and the rotation is 90 degrees off but pretty picture.
[18:08] <kenvandine> sergiusens, qtubuntu-sensors built
[18:08] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks
[18:09] <kenvandine> np
[18:10] <kenvandine> snwh, thanks for the icon, it looks great!
[18:13] <snwh> kenvandine, no problem :)
[18:40] <ZDmitry> popey: can You help me with some question on Core Apps PPA, or should I wait for mhall119?
[18:42] <moocow1452> So, now that I got it displaying, anything I should do to fix the rotation issue and touch screen?
[18:47] <ZDmitry> I just leave what I want... popey, mhall119|away: Can someone add job for building latest konsole-qml-plugin to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily? Two days past after landing last revision, but still we have old packgage. Thanks.
[18:52] <jackcy75> I'm sorry to bother you again. In setting up the build environment for I9300, the command breakfast cannot be found anywhere. Is there a package that I am missing? 13.04 amd64.
[18:53] <popey> ZDmitry: hey
[18:53] <moocow1452> jackcy did you . build/envsetup.sh?
[18:53] <popey> fginther: can you help ZDmitry with autolanding konsole-qml-plugin?
[18:54] <jackcy75> yes, but before i had to chmod +x the envsetup.sh because it was not executable.
[18:55] <moocow1452> jackcy75, make sure you run it from the build folder everytime you start working with a new terminal.
[18:57] <jackcy75> moocow1452, do i have to run it as root?
[18:57] <moocow1452> Shouldn't have to. Wouldn't hurt though.
[18:58] <jackcy75> hm  still no luck.
[18:58] <moocow1452> It's not a permant command, so when you open a new terminal, it loses the breakfast command until you rerun . build/envsetup.sh
[19:02] <moocow1452> jackcy75, can you used brunch?
[19:05] <jackcy75> I try to resync the build env with "phablet-dev-bootstrap -c I9300", launchpad-id activated, then changed to "cd I9300", ran "./build/envsetup.sh". It included a few *.sh.  but still no luck: breakfast I9300
[19:05] <jackcy75> breakfast: Befehl nicht gefunden.
[19:06] <jackcy75> nope, no brunch available
[19:07] <nik90> .n
[19:19] <sergiusens> epa
[19:20] <sergiusens> oops
[19:46] <moocow1452> jackcy, you included the space right it's . build/envsetup.sh verbatim.
[19:54] <fginther> popey, ZDmitry, looking
[19:55] <ZDmitry> fginther:  Can You add job for building latest konsole-qml-plugin to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily?
[19:56] <popey> thanks fginther
[20:00] <fginther> ZDmitry, the server that runs the jobs is currently down. I'll contact the admins and get back to you.
[20:01] <ZDmitry> Okay, thanks a lot.
[20:45] <feltham1983> hey all
[20:55] <moocow1452> Hey feltham