[02:56] <ball> Oh!
[07:33] <popey> Morning
[07:36] <popey> Mailing list seems a bit feisty at the moment
[07:38] <jpds> popey: Not saucy?
[07:38] <popey> ☻
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:21]  * popey wonders why Half Life 2 (Beta) doesn't have an "Install" button for me on Linux.. 
[08:21] <SuperMatt> does for me
[08:21] <SuperMatt> how queer
[08:22] <SuperMatt> seeing as how it's not going to be a beautiful day, I might play it at lunchtime
[08:22] <mungbean> oh, HL2? i might be able to continuie where i left off
[08:23] <mungbean> 5 yrs ago
[08:23] <popey> heh
[08:23] <mungbean> i was in a boat i think
[08:24] <popey> muhahah, steam downloading at 8.4MB/s
[08:24] <popey> clearly not opened this in a while
[08:29] <BigRedS> yeah, whenever there's a new for-linux game I need to wait for steam to update before installing it and finding that it doesn't work on my pre-sandybridge mobile graphics
[08:38] <jacobw> Portal \o/
[08:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Windmill Day! :-D
[08:41] <MooDoo> lo
[08:41] <bigcalm> 2013 and PPAs still don't support changelogs - why?
[08:41] <bigcalm> And good morning peeps :)
[08:42] <JamesTait> bigcalm, patches welcome?
[08:42] <JamesTait> bigcalm, and good morning. ;)
[08:42] <bigcalm> JamesTait: ha :P
[08:43] <bigcalm> Just surprised at how long we've had PPAs without that feature
[08:46] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I know the feeling, and I don't know the reason.
[08:46] <JamesTait> I suspect if patches are actually welcome, it wouldn't be beyong my capabilities, but I have far too many projects going on as it is.
[08:47] <bigcalm> I know diddly about LP
[08:47]  * JamesTait invents new words as he goes along.
[08:51] <JamesTait> I suspect the main problem is that for packages in the archive, the changelog gets replicated to changelogs.ubuntu.com, whereas for PPAs that doesn't happen, so the changelogs are buried in debian/changelog in a .tar.gz or a .deb
[08:53] <JamesTait> So maybe the change would have to be double-pronged - get the PPA subsystem to write the changelogs somewhere in the PPA, and make apt aware of the location of said changelog.
[08:54] <JamesTait> But, LALALALALALALALALA I'm not going to get sucked into it.
[08:56] <WTFShelley> Morning all
[08:57] <JamesTait> WTFShelley, o/
[08:57] <WTFShelley> @JamesTait, hi
[08:58] <popey> Blimey, I clearly don't open Steam very often. It's downloaded 15.7GB so far since 9:07 this morning.
[08:58] <WTFShelley> wow beefy internet at your house
[08:59] <mungbean_> mmm beef
[08:59] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[08:59] <jacobw> Good morning
[08:59] <popey> Correct.
[09:02] <selinuxium> morning all o/
[09:03] <mbs_> darn it, is there a way to reset my username/password on the irc server?  cant remember my password, or im i boned?
[09:03] <mbs_> *am*
[09:06] <MooDoo> mbs_: If you forget your password, but still have access to the email account that is associated with the IRC account, staff can send a password reset email. Simply ask in #freenode or PM a staff member to have the email sent.
[09:08] <jacobw> The staff on Freenode are helpful
[09:12] <mbs_> cheers Moo, Jacobw
[09:15] <jacobw> mbs_: See if you can get a cloak while you're at it, it makes you look cooler :)
[09:15]  * bigcalm bounces all over the place
[09:16] <bigcalm> HL 2, ep1, ep2, lc. All ready to be installed
[09:16]  * bigcalm wibbles
[09:16] <SuperMatt> mine are already installed :)
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> wait WHAT?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> *click*
[09:16] <directhe`> steamy
[09:17]  * bigcalm is very glad for the virginmedia upgrade right now :)
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I assumed as much :)
[09:17]  * MartijnVdS is glad with his 100/100 atm :)
[09:17] <jacobw> LC?
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> well fibre, not atm :P
[09:17] <bigcalm> jacobw: Lost Coast
[09:17] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: get your money quickly
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: asynchronous transfer mode ;)
[09:18] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: aww :P
[09:18] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: 100/100 is stm, surely?
[09:18] <jacobw> ATM ftw
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's ethernet
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have an ethernet "media converter" that spits out my ISP on VLAN 6 (PPPoE) and TV on VLAN 4 (if I were to get the subscription)
[09:19] <bigcalm> Damn my 120GB SSD. Need to make space or hook up a USB3 drive for gaming
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 500GB SSDs are becoming affordable
[09:19] <jacobw> bigcalm: I just brought a lpatop with a 512GB SSD for £700
[09:20] <bigcalm> :O
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> just sayin' :)
[09:20] <bigcalm> I am possibly a cheapskate
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "I might have a bit of Scottish ancestry"? ;)
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> (sorry Scots)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Ha
[09:20] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: with Cuthbertson as my surname, this is 100% true
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> I need a faster disk for /home
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> it's a 2TB 5400RPM disk now :(
[09:24] <bigcalm> Yay or nay? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive/dp/B0084LZI5Y
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> I have an external Seagate drive
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> I don't trust it
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:25] <bigcalm> I'll only be using this for Steam games. So if it dies, just download again
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Series-250GB-Solid-State/dp/B009LI7C9Y
[09:27] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: slowly coming down. I don't have so much spare cache though
[09:27] <bigcalm> s/cache/cash
[09:27] <brobostigon> lol
[09:32] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:36] <bigcalm> Do I want to wait until next week for the drive to be delivered for free, or buy it today from PC World for 15 quid more?
[09:37] <bigcalm> I have a horrible feeling that it'll be the latter
[09:37] <jacobw> PC world, weekend usage.
[09:37] <bigcalm> Yeah
[09:38] <jacobw> You won't be buyng anything else at the weekend while you're busy with your Steam games
[09:39] <bigcalm> :D
[09:39] <directhe`> bigcalm, is it cheaper from pc world online?
[09:40] <bigcalm> directhe`: no
[09:40] <bigcalm> Well, doesn't seem to be: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/data-storage/hard-drives/desktop-external-hard-drives/seagate-expansion-sgr39211-external-hard-drive-2tb-black-16787143-pdt.html
[09:41] <bigcalm> Slightly older model
[09:41]  * bigcalm grumbles with indecision
[09:41] <popey> bah!
[09:41] <popey> why wont it let me install HL2 Beta?
[09:41] <bigcalm> Humbug?
[09:41] <popey> directhe`: fix it
[09:42] <bigcalm> popey: works for me
[09:42] <directhe`> popey, restart steam
[09:42] <popey> restarted
[09:42] <popey> no install button
[09:43] <directhe`> steam://install/220
[09:43] <popey> "Half-Life 2 (Beta) is not available on your current platform."
[09:44] <czajkowski> wow you're nice enough to lend out a HD popey and you still get crap.
[09:44] <popey> same for Portal beta
[09:44] <popey> czajkowski: not lend, give
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: So that's why it's downloading at 4MB/seconds :)
[09:44] <czajkowski> wow
[09:44] <czajkowski> even worse
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: hm, what happens if you choose "Client update' from the "Steam" menu?
[09:44] <directhe`> popey, hm. hang on...
[09:45] <directhe`> popey, quit steam, erase ~/.local/share/Steam/ClientRegistry.blob
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> Funky! http://i.imgur.com/O3HDobf.jpg
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> or should I say "Trippy"
[09:48] <directhe`> ._.
[09:48] <directhe`> your opengl be screwed
[09:48] <directhe`> reminds me of doom3 on voodoo2
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: pre-ivy bridge Intel
[09:48]  * popey tries that 
[09:48] <bigcalm> czajkowski: wrong Alan, oops :S
[09:48] <popey> hmm
[09:49] <popey> i have no .local/share/Steam
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: ~/Steam or ~/.steam then?
[09:49] <czajkowski> bigcalm: ah you got the mail
[09:49] <popey> aha
[09:49] <czajkowski> didnt arrive in my inbox
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> for me it's in ~/Steam/ClientRegistry.blob
[09:49] <popey> ~/Steam
[09:50] <directhe`> super old steam install @_@
[09:50] <bigcalm> Early adopters
[09:50] <popey> ☻
[09:50] <popey> ya
[09:50] <directhe`> your steam.deb is 1.0.0.38?
[09:50] <popey> pre beta
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: yes
[09:50] <popey> nope, still no install button
[09:51] <bigcalm> popey: try a fresh steam install on a different machine?
[09:51] <popey> no ☻
[09:51] <directhe`> popey, steam deb is 1.0.0.38?
[09:51] <popey> 1.0.0.14
[09:51] <directhe`> jesus
[09:52] <popey> I should probably update that? ☻
[09:52] <popey> where from?
[09:52] <directhe`> you need to update that to at least... 1.0.0.31, for recent games to think of working
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: apt?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> deb http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> deb-src http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam
[09:52] <popey> ta
[09:52] <bigcalm> It's been updating itself for me
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have those in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/steam.list
[09:52] <directhe`> http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb
[09:52] <directhe`> steam.deb adds the repo itself
[09:52] <directhe`> so just dpkg -i steam.deb
[09:53] <popey> this looks better
[09:53]  * popey notes czajkowski called me Alan Bell
[09:54] <directhe`> the client verifies itself to make sure the deb is properly up to date, as of the late 1.0.0.20's, so yours is too old to know it's too old
[09:54] <MooDoo> popey: we've never seen you in the sam.....er i'll shut up
[09:54] <popey> heh
[09:54] <czajkowski> popey: should just stick to Alan
[09:54] <czajkowski> law of averages I'l get it right
[09:54] <bigcalm> :)_
[09:54] <popey> haha, now when I open steam it says "Couldn't find steam content, did you move it"
[09:54] <czajkowski> why I didnt get my own mail is more annoying even though I've that set on the mailman settings
[09:54] <popey> WHO MOVED MY CHEESE
[09:55] <directhe`> om nom cheese
[09:55] <popey> then a EULA
[09:55] <popey> then updating again
[09:56] <popey> czajkowski:
[09:56] <popey> bah!
[09:56]  * czajkowski offers popey an egg bap 
[09:56] <Dave2> popey: that must be rather annoying
[09:57] <directhe`> popey, /usr/bin/steam is an updater and bootstrapper. you need an up to date /usr/bin/steam to take care of updating ~/Steam
[09:57] <popey> now I think I'm going to end up with no games
[09:57] <Dave2> It's not ~/Steam any more, is it?
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> It is for me..
[09:57] <Dave2> At least, since reinstalling onto my new SSD I think it's in a dot-directory somewhere
[09:57] <bigcalm> PC World doesn't have the drive in stock in my local store. No HD for me!
[09:58] <Dave2> oh, I completely missed discussion of this, I suck.
[09:58] <Dave2> bigcalm: is there a deal on, or did you just fancy paying far too much?
[09:58] <directhe`> popey, if it shows you no games, manually move the folders from Steam/SteamApps/common/ to .local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/
[09:58] <bigcalm> Dave2: wanting it now so I can use it over the weekend
[09:59] <directhe`> and the gcf files, for tf2
[09:59] <directhe`> and the acf files, technically
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> I want the GTA series to be ported to Linux :)
[09:59] <popey> i cant login ☹
[09:59] <directhe`> but you could just say "install this game" and it'll download the acf file again, recheck your game folder that you manually moved, and not redownload
[09:59] <popey> it hasn't sent me the code email
[09:59] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: Really?
[09:59] <directhe`> slow mail server is slow
[10:00] <popey> aha, here it is
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Yeah, 3, Vice City, San Andreas
[10:00] <directhe`> MartijnVdS, i don't see it happening.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I have them in Steam on Windows.. but rebooting = hassle
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: not soon, no.. but they're still porting those to new platforms, I think (Android comes to mind)
[10:01] <directhe`> android is a major growth platform
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu might become one too, if the phone/tabled thing gets off the ground ;)
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> tablet*
[10:02] <directhe`> the phone/tablet thing doesn't help here unless the phone/tablet run intel
[10:02] <popey> yay!
[10:02] <popey> it finded stuff once I moved it
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:02] <popey> HL2 has an install button!
[10:02]  * popey abuses his internet
[10:02] <czajkowski> huzzah
[10:02] <jacobw> I'm looking forward to more details on the apt/dpkg improvements
[10:03] <popey> thank you directhe`
[10:03] <SuperMatt> jacobw: do you mean the new packaging system that was announced?
[10:03] <jacobw> SuperMatt: Yeah
[10:03] <SuperMatt> it won't be anything to do with apt/dpkg ;)
[10:03] <czajkowski> jacobw: are you following the mailing list
[10:04] <jacobw> czajkowski: Which mailing list?
[10:05] <czajkowski> jacobw: ubuntu-devel mailing lis t
[10:05] <czajkowski> it's where the thread was poste with the information
[10:05] <jacobw> czajkowski: ubuntu-uk has a lot of consumer rights and odd expectations of PC World salesmen sized noise
[10:05] <jacobw> czajkowski: Thanks, I'll read that
[10:05] <czajkowski> not to mention how packard bell should deal with people
[10:05] <popey> +1
[10:05] <czajkowski> it's an unusal list :)
[10:06] <czajkowski> jacobw: there will also be a session at vUDS next week on it
[10:06] <czajkowski> you can find that out via http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[10:06] <jacobw> czajkowski: I'm not affliated with Canonical in anyway other than having a Launchpad account, is vUDS accessible to me?
[10:06] <czajkowski> jacobw: yup vUDS is open to anyone and everyone
[10:07] <jacobw> :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> jacobw: the sessions are public and online and on air :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> jacobw: you can register via LP to attend not that it actually matters now it's online tbh
[10:07] <directhe`> popey, tbh i'm impressed it was still letting you log in with such an old client version
[10:07] <czajkowski> jacobw: each session has an etherpad and a youtbe video, but also a blueprint associated with it
[10:07] <popey> baffled me
[10:08] <czajkowski> it's good to know even popey gets baffled, makes us all feel more human :)
[10:11] <jacobw> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-click-package
[10:12] <czajkowski> jacobw: yup so if you click subscribe on that
[10:12] <czajkowski> you'll get an email notification of any items added to that during the cycle
[10:16] <jacobw> Something like a copy on write scheme allowing packages to ship their own versions of files but deduplicating and updating identical files seems like a good idea if there's a strong enough use case for it outside of catering for expectations from other platforms
[10:23] <bigcalm> Flashing hardware is so sloooooooooooooooooow
[10:39] <neuro> popey: wtf?! :)
[10:40] <neuro> popey: you really must have wound up gareth for him to refuse a free hard disk :)
[10:40] <neuro> definitely one of the oddest ML threads i've seen in a long while
[10:41] <neuro> and that includes ones about dolphins
[10:41] <popey> heh
[10:41] <czajkowski> neuro: saying a lot as you're omn uknot :)
[10:41] <neuro> exactly
[10:42] <neuro> what i did find interesting was after phill going on about community responsibility and people should offer to help and send stuff, gareth just point blank said "i don't want any stuff from anyone"
[10:42] <neuro> at that point i gave up on the thread
[10:42] <neuro> not much point in engaging further really, is there?
[10:43] <neuro> it feels like the list equivalent of someone going on facebook and posting "*sigh*" and nothing else
[10:43] <neuro> then everyone else piles on with "are you ok?" "do you need help?" "zomg" and then they reply with "no, i don't need help, i'm fine, honestly. *sigh*"
[10:44] <mungbean> only women seem to do that
[10:44] <mungbean> "some people need to sort out their life"
[10:44] <mungbean> are you ok hun?
[10:44] <jacobw> "Nobody understands me!"
[10:44] <mungbean> men just go : GRRR i hate alex ferguson
[10:45] <neuro> haha
[10:45] <KrimZon> lol
[10:45] <neuro> not sure if this afternoon is shaping up to be a Juno Reactor afternoon, or a Crystal Method afternoon
[10:46] <czajkowski> mungbean: sweaping statements--
[10:46] <neuro> DANGER, WOMAN ENGAGED, RAISE DEFENSIVE SHIELDING!
[10:47] <jacobw> neuro: You have 13 minutes to decide
[10:47] <MooDoo> some of my collegues went who's he ;)
[10:47] <neuro> i want it to be a Crystal Method afternoon
[10:47] <neuro> but i think it's going to be a Juno Reactor afternoon
[10:47] <mungbean> czajkowski: its a hypothesis
[10:48] <neuro> need choons that are loud, bouncy and fast
[10:48] <czajkowski> neuro: leftfield!
[10:48] <neuro> and i'm tempted just to play them through every bloomin system in the house and just raise the roof off
[10:48] <neuro> tsk
[10:48] <neuro> leftfield have like 2 bouncy tracks ever
[10:48] <neuro> the rest are all just moody grumpy electronic equivalents of shoegazing
[10:48] <czajkowski> neuro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSUsiseIx0
[10:49] <jacobw> Emotronic
[10:49] <neuro> jacobw: perfect :)
[10:49] <neuro> czajkowski: TUT TUT MISSUS!!!!
[10:50] <neuro> who seriously listens to albums off youtube?!
[10:51] <jacobw> >_>
[10:51] <jacobw> I get lazy sometimes
[10:51] <czajkowski> neuro: sometimes I do if I want a varietyelse I listen to radions tations that don't talk
[10:51] <neuro> the audio quality is mince!
[10:51] <neuro> anyway, i have leftism on cd somewhere
[10:52] <neuro> which means it found its way into my labyrinthine itunes folder
[10:52] <neuro> in ALAC, apparently
[10:53] <neuro> ooh hang on a second
[10:54] <neuro> don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner
[10:54] <neuro> Master of Puppets
[10:54] <neuro> \m/
[10:54] <neuro> czajkowski: also, it's, you know, rather blatant copyright infringement :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> czajkowski: better quality version of your youtube link: http://open.spotify.com/album/4kY6z5DSnmAihvm3F1ePlK
[10:55] <czajkowski> neuro: oh indeed. but my cd collection is in Ireland and  want bopping music as it's Friday :)
[10:55] <mgdm> neuro: I hadn't heard Leftism in about 10 years until bagpuss had it on recently
[10:56] <czajkowski> time to add it to jons spotify music listening :)
[10:56] <neuro> mgdm: you hear bits from time to time when watching late 90s, early 2000s movies
[10:56] <neuro> cf Hackers, Vanilla Sky, etc
[10:56] <czajkowski> so handy to connect to the sonos via phone and have the music in the house blaring when outside at the bbq :)
[10:56] <mgdm> neuro: aye
[10:56] <neuro> but i don't think i've listened to the album all the way through for years
[10:56] <mgdm> I did about 3 days ago
[10:57] <neuro> right, chemical brothers have finished serenading the Hanna soundtrack to me
[10:57] <neuro> time for some RAAWWWWWWWWWWK
[10:57] <neuro> oh the acoustic guitar of Battery ... how you deceive us with your gentle quietness ...
[10:57] <neuro> any second my neighbours are going to explode like the heads in Scanners
[10:58] <neuro> YEAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
[10:59] <neuro> i just noticed something
[10:59] <JamesTait> neuro, I approve of your music choice, and will listen to the same.
[11:00] <neuro>  37M	/Volumes/Storage Bay/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Metallica/Master of Puppets/01 Battery.m4a
[11:00] <neuro> that one track takes up about the same space as a whole album i might have ripped about 15 years ago ... ;)
[11:00] <neuro> yes, I used to rip in 96Kbps MP3 *hangs head in shame*
[11:01] <neuro> JamesTait: \m/
[11:02] <JamesTait> neuro, \n/ <- Simpsons metal (borrowed from a colleague)
[11:02] <mgdm> heh
[11:02] <neuro> sorry if i'm waffling, i'm taking a break from munging analog reporting .bat files into bash and it's hurting my head
[11:02] <neuro> JamesTait: like it :)
[11:03] <neuro> ~/ I'M YOUR SOURCE OF SELF DEEEESTRUUUUUCTIONNNNN! /~
[11:05]  * JamesTait is still on the Battery guitar solo.
[11:05] <neuro> kirk hammett = solo god
[11:05] <JamesTait> Air guitars at the ready.
[11:05] <neuro> weedly weedly weedly weeeeeeee
[11:06] <JamesTait> :D
[11:06] <neuro> kirk and james did an awesome Star Spangled Banner at an SF Giants game last week
[11:06] <JamesTait> I saw photos - the music didn't really come across.
[11:06] <neuro> there's video, hang on
[11:07] <neuro> http://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-national-anthem-san-francisco-giants/
[11:08] <JamesTait> neuro, woo, thanks. :)
[11:08] <neuro> i want to get one of the Giants batting practice replica shirts, but sadly they don't do them in sysadmin size :P
[11:09] <neuro> JamesTait: watch the "Zito rocks out with Metallica" vid too, tis pretty cool
[11:09] <jacobw> neuro: Sysadmin size?
[11:09] <neuro> 4XL :D
[11:10] <jacobw> :)
[11:10] <neuro> they do batter and fielder game day shirts in 4XL, will probably end up getting one of those instead
[11:10] <JamesTait> Looking old now, but still rocking out.
[11:10] <neuro> totally
[11:11] <neuro> did you hear any of the live tracks they recorded at the Fillmore for their 30th anniversary?
[11:11] <neuro> absolutely epic stuff
[11:11] <JamesTait> No. :(
[11:12] <JamesTait> You're making me feel old and out of touch now. ;)
[11:12] <neuro> hehe
[11:12] <christel> you are old...
[11:12] <christel> i mean, hi!
[11:13] <neuro> nice, christel, nice :)
[11:13] <neuro> JamesTait: http://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,398/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-12-5-2011-The-Fillmore-San-Francisco-CA.html
[11:13] <JamesTait> Hi christel. Love you too. ;)
[11:13] <neuro> click "Next >" above the album art on left to go to dec 7, 9 and 10
[11:14] <neuro> dave mustaine came back
[11:14] <christel> <3
[11:14] <neuro> jason newsted came back
[11:14] <neuro> and the other guests were just epic epic epic
[11:18] <JamesTait> I have nothing against Trujello, but I'll always have a soft spot for Newsted.
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK UBUNTU!
[11:22] <neuro> nice
[11:22] <bigcalm> Meh
[11:22] <czajkowski> popey: ^
[11:22] <Idunn> FUCK YOU BITCH
[11:22] <neuro> i see we have some intelligent discourse, finally
[11:22] <Idunn> POPEY NIGGER
[11:22] <bigcalm> What's the point?
[11:22] <neuro> dunno
[11:23] <Idunn> I AM HERE TO DISS YALL UK NIGGER FAGGOTS
[11:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: best to not engage
[11:23] <neuro> attention seeker?
[11:23] <neuro> i never understand this tbh
[11:23] <czajkowski> Myrtti: you about
[11:23] <Idunn> ND SAY BIG FUCK YOU
[11:23] <neuro> it's like running around in the street screaming I AM A MONG
[11:23] <Idunn> TO ALL THE BRITISH BASTARDS
[11:23] <Idunn> ON THIS FUCKING CHANNEL
[11:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: no intention of doing so. I just don't get the point. Oh well :)
[11:23] <Idunn> PALE FACED MOTHERFUCKERS
[11:23] <Idunn> FUCK U
[11:23] <Idunn> FUCK U
[11:23] <Idunn> FUCK U
[11:23] <popey> delightful.
[11:23] <neuro> here comes the rain
[11:23] <czajkowski> Myrtti: thank you
[11:23] <Myrtti> czajkowski: there is the ops call too
[11:24] <neuro> hee
[11:24] <popey> indeed, i was afk
[11:24] <czajkowski> Myrtti: I thought there was but couldnt remember what it was
[11:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: is that like using the bat signal?
[11:24] <popey> it shines an ubuntu logo in the sky
[11:24] <neuro> bigcalm: it's more like having Batman in the channel
[11:24] <Myrtti> unsurprisingly it's !ops
[11:25] <Myrtti> which is funny because many other channel visitors think it's some kind of static thing that works in any channel
[11:25] <neuro> Myrtti: there's another guy in here who's causing hassle, you should probably boot them too
[11:25] <neuro> can't remember their name though ...
[11:25] <christel> is it that neuro bloke again?
[11:25] <Myrtti> neuro: you?
[11:25] <bigcalm> Grrr. My SGS3 has recently started freezing on the lock screen and it takes a battery removal to fix it. Grumble
[11:25] <neuro> yeah, him!
[11:25]  * christel tickles Myrtti 
[11:25] <neuro> he's an IDIOT!
[11:26] <Myrtti> yeah, sorry about the slow response, I was eating the dinner I didn't have yesterday
[11:26] <neuro> i'd say that was pretty nippy actually
[11:27]  * neuro wonders where that IP was
[11:27] <neuro> DN Advertising Network
[11:29] <neuro> somewhere near zurich
[11:29] <neuro> Glattbrugg
[11:30] <czajkowski> I swear there is a full moon out today with all the crazies coming out of the woodwork
[11:30] <neuro> arooooooooooo
[11:30] <neuro> werewolves of networks
[11:31] <neuro> arooooooooooooooooo
[11:31] <dwatkins> yay for Half-Life 2 episodes being available for Steam on Linux
[11:32] <bigcalm> dwatkins: catch up, that was 9am news :P
[11:32] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I slept in ;)
[11:32] <bigcalm> :O
[11:32] <dwatkins> silly neighbor with the radio on until 1am
[11:33] <dwatkins> or neighbour, perhaps
[11:33] <dwatkins> anyhoo, I'll be calling environmental health if it continues :-/
[11:33] <neuro> oof
[11:34] <christel> cut off their power!
[11:34] <christel> much more fun!
[11:34] <popey> Golly, portal and hl2 actually work
[11:35]  * popey ponders what to have for lunc
[11:35] <czajkowski> I think 1am is the time tbh as I had an issue once and was told nothing could be done until after 1
[11:35] <neuro> cake?
[11:35] <czajkowski> which was when the noise did stop
[11:35] <popey> I see what you did there
[11:35] <czajkowski> popey: pancake!
[11:35] <popey> Also going to be a strange weekend
[11:35] <czajkowski> with some bacon or strawberries
[11:35] <neuro> WTF NOO
[11:35] <popey> Sophie is away at pgl for the weekend
[11:36] <neuro> pancakes are SWEET, bacon is SAVOURY
[11:36] <BigRedS> czajkowski: 11pm is definitely one of the times for nuisance noise
[11:36] <neuro> my neighbours and i have an informal agreement
[11:36] <neuro> if one of us is making too much noise late at night, we thump the hell out of the wall
[11:37] <neuro> i have neighbours with drum kits, woodwork equipment, that do motorbike stuff, and listen to crap music
[11:37] <bigcalm> popey: so you get to spend the weekend playing Portal and HL2
[11:38] <neuro> one of them asked me if i play the drums after we had a particularly long LugRadio Enemy Territory session ;)
[11:38] <neuro> all that shooting and banging!
[11:38] <neuro> JamesTait: ORION \o/
[11:39] <JamesTait> \m/
[11:39]  * JamesTait <- still on Sanitarium.
[11:39] <neuro> this and Damage, Inc. to go
[11:39] <JamesTait> Leeave meee beee!
[11:39] <neuro> not sure whether to go forwards to Justice or backwards to Lightning
[11:39] <JamesTait> Justice was my gateway to Metallica.
[11:39] <neuro> Sanitarium is one of my favourite 'tallica tracks of all time
[11:40] <neuro> yeah me too
[11:40] <neuro> went to see them live in 1990 in Glasgow
[11:40] <JamesTait> I still can't bring myself to buy St Anger though.
[11:40] <neuro> acht it's not bad
[11:40]  * bigcalm thinks he should have some HL2 for lunch
[11:40] <neuro> if you can get over the thought of Lars banging dustbin lids
[11:40] <JamesTait> It still sounds unfinished to me.
[11:41] <neuro> there have always been hiccups
[11:41] <neuro> yeah i agree with that
[11:41] <neuro> and Justice was underproduced so sounds rather tinny
[11:41] <JamesTait> True.
[11:41] <neuro> iirc there's a Japanese release that sounds ... fuller
[11:42] <neuro> and a bootleg called Justice for Jason which has the bass brought back into the fore
[11:43] <popey> bigcalm: maybe ☻
[11:43] <JamesTait> I saw them at Earl's Court in.... '96?
[11:44] <JamesTait> Very theatrical.
[11:47] <neuro> nothing theatrical about '90
[11:47] <JamesTait> Ugh, merge conflicts make me sad.
[11:57] <diplo> Hi guys, just confirm something for me pleaes
[11:57] <diplo> please*
[11:58] <diplo> If i telnet to port 25 on a box and it work from 2 external ips but not from one
[11:58] <diplo> and I get connection refused from that one, that is more than liekly a firewall issue with someone blocking that IP ?
[12:01] <JamesTait> diplo, sounds likely.
[12:01] <JamesTait> diplo, or a routing issue.
[12:03] <AlanBell> hmm, the mailing list appears to be a bit grumpy
[12:03] <neuro> speaking of which, my BT broadband has died on its bum
[12:03] <neuro> can't route outside BT's network :P
[12:03] <Myrtti> AlanBell: no kidding
[12:08] <ali1234> packard bell = farmyard smell
[12:09] <popey> hah
[12:09] <neuro> :)
[12:09] <neuro> hmm wonder why my router hasn't failed over off BT yet
[12:09] <neuro> oh, because the gateway is still up :P
[12:10]  * JamesTait -> lunch, in a grumpy mood.
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> grunch!
[12:11] <czajkowski> neuro: oh the guy that ws spamming here is also now being mentioned on that other list
[12:12] <czajkowski> most odd
[12:12] <neuro> interesting
[12:12] <czajkowski> indeed...
[12:15] <neuro> Myrtti / christel: that idunn guy was hassling someone in a couple of fedora channels too
[12:16] <diplo> AlanBell: yeah stopped reading it myself, got a bit bored after the first dozen mails.. deleted afterwards :/
[12:16] <diplo> JamesTait: yeah, it's out customers email supplier... frustrating me.. in one of his emails he said if this was an outlook issue I could probably help
[12:17] <diplo> ffs, if you can't run a mail server, don't do it.. :)
[12:19] <MooDoo> neuro: we get him all the time in fedora-uk telling us someone has passed away...
[12:19] <neuro> yup, that was exactly what i read about
[12:19] <MooDoo> sigh
[12:19] <MooDoo> the chaps who passed away always chimes up after saying i'm not dead yet.
[12:20] <neuro> probably because he's been pinged :)
[12:21] <Myrtti> I KNOW YOU GUYS!
[12:21] <Myrtti> WE SHOULD START DISCUSSING WHY TOP POSTING IS WRONG!
[12:21] <popey> hahaha
[12:21] <MooDoo> oh don't start
[12:21] <Myrtti> ahmazing idea!
[12:21] <Myrtti> works EVERY TIME!
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: let's also discuss editor preferences
[12:21] <Myrtti> yes.
[12:21] <MooDoo> IT'S NOT WRONG.
[12:21] <MooDoo> ;)
[12:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: top posting is so wrong :)
[12:22] <neuro> Myrtti: i have been using some serious willpower not to say "TRIM YOUR POSTS!" :)
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
[12:22] <czajkowski> neuro: +1 likewise!
[12:22] <Myrtti> neuro: dooooeeet
[12:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nah it's not, been doing it for years ;)
[12:22] <Myrtti> dooooeeett
[12:22]  * diplo unsubscribes :)
[12:22] <MooDoo> back me up davmor2 ;)
[12:22] <czajkowski> he's not here
[12:22]  * popey notes MooDoo and czajkowski fell into Myrtti's trap
[12:22] <popey> fools
[12:22] <neuro> A. Because it breaks the logical order of conversation.
[12:22] <bigcalm> Bwuhahaha
[12:23] <neuro> Q. Why is top posting bad?
[12:23] <Myrtti> on the mailing lists, not here!
[12:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski: RATS, YOU WIN ;)
[12:23] <MooDoo> neuro: no one really cares it's not important in the grand scheme of things :p
[12:24] <neuro> WE CARE!
[12:27] <neuro> yay, kicking bt connection in the butt has fixed it
[12:27] <neuro> and by "yay" i mean "grr"
[12:44] <jacobw> I care
[12:45] <mungbean> anyone tried remote desktop to a natted vmware VM running on your own machine?
[12:46] <jacobw> Describe the NAT further
[12:46] <mungbean> oh, it's simples
[12:46] <mungbean> this page complicated matters
[12:46] <mungbean> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1018809
[12:46] <mungbean> i just rdesktop to the IP address of the VM since i have a vmnet adapter
[12:49] <jacobw> I see
[12:49] <mungbean> meh
[12:50] <mungbean> vmware player is lame. cannot run the vm without the console being open
[12:50]  * MooDoo uses esxi 3.5 it's old but it works
[12:51] <mungbean> reads a page about vmrun
[12:57] <mungbean> vmrun -T player start /path/to/vm/my.vmx nogui
[12:57] <mungbean> sweet
[12:58] <mungbean> my office are trying to roll out MS lync to an office full on linux users who already use irc heavily ..lol
[13:00] <directhe`> why?
[13:03] <jacobw> It's something to do
[13:04] <jacobw> As in, "I'm necessary, I did this thing"
[13:05] <mungbean> we have project managers who feel the need to justify their existence
[13:05] <mungbean> "we know that vmware converter works well for your p2v but we are gonna spend 6 months discussing and piloting platespin"
[13:06] <popey> I thought lync was dying along with messenger
[13:06] <popey> thou shall use skype
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: except Lync is part of their corporate/enterprise suite
[13:07] <popey> yeah, i know
[13:07] <popey> we used it at last place
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: you get a Lync server "free" with Exchange
[13:07] <popey> we all tried to stick with ms communicator
[13:07] <popey> which worked okay when it wasn't mangling your comments into smileys
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> all non-technical people at work like it a lot
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> all technical people hate it a lot
[13:15] <JamesTait> mungbean, sounds similar to the situation I had at $PREVIOUS_EMPLOYER
[13:16] <mungbean> serious resentment here of clueless highly paid contractors
[13:16] <mungbean> and indians/chiefs siutation
[13:16] <mungbean> only about 5 techies do any of the work
[13:16] <mungbean> and about 100+ ppl in IT
[13:16] <JamesTait> Got called into a meeting-cum-conference-call-cum-brainstorming session with all the other team leaders to discuss the requirements of a new knowledge sharing platform.
[13:16] <JamesTait> E-mail conversations had been going on for months.
[13:17] <JamesTait> Spent several hours discussing wants/needs.
[13:18] <JamesTait> All in the room settled on Trac, for its extensibility, integration, and zero cost.
[13:18] <mungbean> i see where this is going
[13:18] <JamesTait> Only to be told at the end of the meeting that the solution had already been decided upon, and it was...
[13:18] <JamesTait> Anyone?
[13:18] <mungbean> numpties wanted sharepoint
[13:18] <JamesTait> Got it in one.
[13:18] <mungbean> and they call it the sharepoint project
[13:19] <mungbean> rather than document sharing erquirements gathering
[13:19] <mungbean> fait accompli
[13:19] <mungbean> the only people who want sharepoint are the PMs and people who've never used it
[13:21] <JamesTait> "But it works out of the box" (as long as we develop a bunch of our own widgets and don't move from IE7)
[13:21] <ali1234> there is no point arguing with that kid of stupidity
[13:21] <ali1234> the only thing you can do is repay it in kind
[13:21] <ali1234> by filing support requests every week "it doesn't work with my browser"
[13:21] <ali1234> don't mention which browser of course
[13:22] <mungbean> "don't fight stupid;make more awesome"
[13:22] <mungbean> just leave and find a better job
[13:22] <ali1234> the goal here is to inflate the bug report metric so that at the end of the yea you can say 2your stupid sharepoint server increased out workload by 200%"
[13:22] <JamesTait> I didn't argue. I just didn't use it, except when I had absolutely no choice.  I stuck to using our Trac instance.
[13:22] <mungbean> *may not be possible if you are busy spawning children and don't want extra stress
[13:22] <ali1234> hahaha as if there is such a thing as "a better job"
[13:23] <JamesTait> ali1234, there definitely is.
[13:23] <ali1234> maybe for the lucky few
[13:23] <JamesTait> I accept that.
[13:24] <mungbean> i went to london devops meetup and everyone else* had better jobs
[13:33] <JamesTait> mungbean, were they all Juju hackers? ;)
[13:36] <BigRedS> mungbean: when was that? Let me know about the next one and I'll be the guy that doesn't
[13:37] <mungbean> hmm, one in november and one in feb i think
[13:37] <mungbean> they were people who seemed to work for startups and got to do what they pleased
[13:43] <bashrc> I wonder if anyone can advise me on the messaging menu
[13:44] <JamesTait> bashrc, I suggest you ask your question and if someone can help, they will. :)
[13:44] <bashrc> I'm doing some development on an email-like application and trying to get it to appear in the messaging menu
[13:45] <bashrc> So far I can set up an online account for jabber and see an empathy entry in the messaging menu
[13:45] <bashrc> but when following the wiki python code for adding a messaging menu server item nothing appears
[13:47] <jacobw> Are you trying to reinvent email?
[13:48] <ali1234> the messaging api examples are usually quite out of date
[13:48] <bashrc> yes, I am reinventing email
[13:48] <ali1234> is it bit-message? i hope it's bit-message
[13:48] <bashrc> yes
[13:48] <JamesTait> bashrc, #ubuntu-desktop might be a better place to ask that kind of question.
[13:49] <ali1234> sweet
[13:49] <bashrc> ok
[13:50] <ali1234> https://bitmessage.org
[13:50] <bashrc> the application indicator part of it is working
[13:51] <ali1234> are you extending the python reference implementation?
[13:51] <bashrc> but I also want to show unread messages, etc, in accordance with the design guide
[13:51] <Myrtti> I've never heard of #ubuntu-desktop
[13:51] <Myrtti> or I don't remember hearing about it
[13:51] <Myrtti> strange
[13:51] <jacobw> Mailing list
[13:51] <JamesTait> Myrtti, it's where I was directed when an update broke my desktop themes and indicators.
[13:52] <JamesTait> Many moons ago now though.
[13:52] <Myrtti> interesting.
[13:53] <bashrc> currently I'm basing the code on this http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/messaging-menu/
[14:09] <bashrc> Even with a small test program with a valid .desktop file pointing to a valid application with a valid icon and with a show_window_function defined nothing appears on the messaging menu
[14:11] <bigcalm> Now that HL2 has made its way to Linux Steam, I wonder if Minerva will be ported
[14:12] <bashrc> Nothing but tumbleweeds on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <popey> yeah, -desktop is where the desktop team hang out funnily enough ㋛
[14:12] <popey> bashrc: two things, 1) you didnt ask your question, 2) quite a few desktoppers are on holiday today
[14:12] <bashrc> I see
[14:12] <popey> might need to put a bit more detail there
[14:16] <bigcalm> Zigbee is slooooooooooooow. Testing a patch that is 1463 bytes large. The device has been downloading it over the wireless mesh network for several hours now
[14:16] <bigcalm> Just reached 1080 bytes. This is like pulling teeth
[14:19]  * JamesTait -> school run
[15:25] <mungbean> i have to set #setxkbmap -model evdev -layout gb
[15:25] <mungbean> in profile to fix a freenx server problem, however this creates a Cannot open display "default display"
[15:25] <mungbean> when login via ssh
[15:26] <mungbean> there's a way to check which kind of session i'm in , but can't remember how
[15:43] <dwatkins> mungbean: are you using ssh -X   ?
[15:43] <mungbean> no dwatkins ,
[15:43] <mungbean> i've disabled the message for now
[15:44] <mungbean> and the keyboard bug in freenx hasn't returned (uses US keyboard)
[15:44] <dwatkins> case closed; solution: message ignored ;)
[15:44] <mungbean> i'll revisit after rebootr
[15:44] <mungbean> carmaggeddon is free on android today only
[15:45] <dwatkins> neat thanks
[15:46] <dwatkins> this reminds me, I should get an 8-bitty or something similar for games on Android
[15:47] <bigcalm> Is mod_pagespeed to be trusted yet? Last time I used it was a couple of years ago and it was flaky
[16:18] <bashrc> Has anyone noticed how the new Software Centre icon in 13.04 looks like a suitcase with an anarchy symbol on it?
[16:30] <bigcalm> Not a fan of the new icons
[16:57] <directhe`> Azelphur, humble bundle now buyable in btc
[16:57] <Azelphur> directhe`: I know, it's even more hilarious that bitcoin king pings now own the charts.
[16:57] <Azelphur> king pins* :P
[17:39] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[17:39] <Myrtti> atleast the mailing list is clean(er) now
[17:40] <popey> heh
[17:40]  * popey tickles Ng 
[17:42] <Ng> popey: hey hey
[17:43]  * Ng fighting a very broken tmux in the middle of a weechat migration, hence all the quitting and joining :/
[17:44] <popey> oof.. downloaded 23.6GB in steam today
[18:11] <directhe`> popey, good job you have unlimited BW!
[18:11] <popey> I do? ☻
[18:12] <popey> opened a game earlier, right clicked and a flash context menu appeared.. was icky
[18:15] <directhex> popey, a few games are flash. Lume springs to mine
[18:15] <directhex> mind
[18:23] <tullymore> popey, 'heard an oldie podcast over the weekend .. QUESTION: Can games for linux run in Cde ? .. [ a peevish question, but it's been on my back for nearly a week ]
[18:29] <ali1234> CDE?
[18:29] <ali1234> "sole survivor" is flash and is in software centre
[18:29] <ali1234> i think that is what it is called
[18:30] <ali1234> so i wasn't gonna buy this humble bundle but since they accept bitcoins now i might have to
[18:30] <tullymore> Aww Ali .. it's a programming language, heh ?
[18:30] <ali1234> i thought CDE was a desktop environment
[18:31] <tullymore>  the podcast confused tull slightly.
[18:31] <tullymore> thanx-you.
[18:34] <tullymore> yeah, Probly finished off around the time Toshiba started making USB3's , or summit like that. tty.
[18:35] <Pendulum> I apologize on behalf of my country for the fact that somehow we are infecting the UK with Honey Boo-Boo
[18:50] <czajkowski> honey who who ?
[18:53] <czajkowski> Pendulum: oh dear gods
[18:54] <mgdm> czajkowski: can you tell e what it is so I don't have to look?
[19:01] <czajkowski> mgdm: don't look
[19:02] <czajkowski> Pendulum: bad pen bad bad bad pen!
[19:03] <bashrc> I'm making progress on the messaging menu
[19:04] <bashrc> think I'm grokking it
[19:24] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I was apologizing for it. Shouldn't that have been warning enough?
[19:25] <Pendulum> mgdm: I only found out off the Guardian's website so you may want to avoid it at the moment ;)
[19:26] <czajkowski> Pendulum: never seen this before
[19:26] <czajkowski> cant stop watching
[19:26] <czajkowski> the stuff she comes out with
[19:26] <czajkowski> the stuff the mother comes out with
[19:26] <czajkowski> dear gods
[19:26] <popey> "mother"
[19:27] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I've never actually watched it. I've seen adverts, but not the show. It frightens me.
[19:27] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I'm on youtube atm
[19:27] <czajkowski> this was bad
[19:32] <christel> ahahaha
[19:32] <christel> honey booboo is bloody terrifying
[19:33] <christel> mgdm: it is a tv show, spin-off from toddlers in tiaras or something
[19:33] <christel> about this very scary toddler and her even scarier mother and the beauty pageants(sp?) she attends
[19:33] <christel> and her tantrums... and her weirdness
[19:33] <mgdm> oh god
[19:33] <christel> and her special energy drinks that make redbull seem like milk
[19:33] <mgdm> train wreck TV, I guess
[19:34] <christel> she might not be a toddler anymore mind as its been around for a few years
[19:34] <Pendulum> mgdm: they are sell proclaimed either rednecks or white trash. I can't remember anymore. They say they aren't one of them because they all have their teeth
[19:35] <christel> basically it comes across as a bit point and laugh
[19:35] <mgdm> heheheh
[19:36] <christel> (in short, the entire family is fat and poor (or maybe not so poor following tv "fame") and it is sort of plugged as being about people "deviating from the normal idea of beauty")
[19:36] <christel> i find it a bit sad seeing how it is sort of centred around a small child
[19:36] <christel> "small"
[19:37] <christel> i sat through a whole episode once, it was quite scary :)
[19:43] <Pendulum> christel: why?
[19:44] <christel> why did i sit through one? i think i was too tired to move to get the remote
[19:44] <Pendulum> wow. you must really have been exhausted
[19:44] <christel> mind, i once sat through two episodes of jeremy kyle through complete and utter fascination
[19:45] <mgdm> Sadly I work for a company that broadcasts that, so I see more than the odd fragment
[19:45] <mgdm> the show titles are just bizarre
[19:46] <AlanBell> oh gosh that is grim
[19:46] <Pendulum> I'm not sure if "deviating from normal idea of beauty" is exactly right for how it's billed here. It's really just billed as these people are ridiculous watch them make fools of themselves for money
[19:47] <Pendulum> Because apparently a tv show about 3 & 4 year olds in beauty pageants isn't messed up enough so they had to pick one of the families from that who had even less shame than the others, I guess
[19:48] <Pendulum> on the other hand, they're getting paid good money so more power to them for having found a production team that are suckers ;)
[19:48] <christel> mgdm: haha i can imagine
[19:48] <DJones> Pendulum: You've just described most if ITV & BBC's scheduling there "these people are ridiculous watch them make fools of themselves for money"...... X-Factor, Dancing on Ice, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, The apprentice, The voice etc
[19:48] <Pendulum> DJones: this is actually worse.
[19:49] <AlanBell> Breaking Amish is kinda interesting
[19:49] <AlanBell> on the same channel
[19:49] <DJones> I looked at a clip, there's not much to say about it
[19:50] <Pendulum> AlanBell: have you read some of the background on that, though? While "reality" tv is staged as it is, Breaking Amish has some stuff where producers have pretty much lied to the viewers
[19:50] <Pendulum> namely that they set up that the people didn't know each other and that they'd never left the Amish communities before
[19:50] <AlanBell> yeah, I figured a lot of that was a bit contrived
[19:51] <Pendulum> most if not all had already moved out and moved back in a different points and 2 of them were from the same community (and may have been romatically involved before the show; I think it's the 2 who actually coupled up on the show)
[19:52] <DJones> My wife loves watching Extreme Makeover Home Edition, but it just drives me mad, I have to go out of the room
[19:52] <christel> DJones: oh i am always impressed that they manage to build a house in like 40 minutes (because in my mind it happens that fast!) :P
[19:52] <Pendulum> they actually built a house in my town (for a family my brother and I had gone to school with)
[19:53] <Pendulum> I've never actually watched Breaking Amish, but my brainless, embarrassing tv addiction are a couple shows that involve wedding dress shoping that also are on TLC so I saw the adverts and went and looked up the background for Breaking Amish.
[19:54] <Pendulum> Also, TLC is owned by Discovery which means those adverts show up when I'm watching things like Mythbusters
[19:55] <DJones> It always seems 'tacky' from the bits I've seen, plus the reports of the producers advertising for the most ill/desperate/disabled families to feature doesn't sit comfortably for me
[19:55] <Pendulum> I can't stand Extreme Makeover Home Edition
[19:55] <Pendulum> it really is all about being a pitying other people thing
[19:55] <DJones> Very much so
[19:56] <christel> is that the one with that guy ... who is even more annoying than nick knowles?
[19:56] <DJones> Yep
[19:56] <christel> ty pennington yeah?
[19:56] <Pendulum> yes
[19:56] <christel> i must admit i sometimes will swap to it at the very end because i like looking at furniture and stuff
[19:56] <Pendulum> Also, I'd be really curious to find out what happens down the road when it comes to things like taxes
[19:57] <christel> (so i quite like the "after the unveil" bit)
[19:57] <Pendulum> because some of the families really aren't going to have the money for taxes in the new all fancied up houses that probably bump property value
[19:57] <redtape|renegade> OT | Can't get enough of Squarepants, today. :: http://youtu.be/7h91k4krgRc?t=1m28s :::
[19:58] <DJones> I always wondered how the neighbours feel afterwards with the family getting state of the art & new houses that seem 10 times the size of everybody elses
[19:58] <christel> how does it actually work -- i presume the house and contents are all gifted to you?
[19:58] <Pendulum> no idea
[19:59] <Pendulum> I don't know about everywhere, but in my town the house doesn't stick out because they designed it in a way that it wouldn't. And I don't know if it was my town or ABC pushing the town where there was loads of "come out and support" sort of thing.
[19:59] <Pendulum> I think that may be part of pity thing, though
[20:00] <Pendulum> like, you play up all the disadvantages that a family has and then anyone who isn't happy with it is going to be shamed into not speaking up
[20:01] <Pendulum> plus they do a lot of trying to get the community to come out and volunteer
[20:02] <mungbean> ooof why did i click the link about spare skin the worlds fattest man has now hes lost weight..
[20:02] <christel> *nod*
[20:03] <DJones> mungbean: I saw that as well, I wanted brain & eye bleach
[20:05] <christel> is he still the worlds fattest man?
[20:05] <mungbean> didnt hang around to find out, think hes thin now tho
[20:06] <mungbean> why am i watching bbc3?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: alcohol?
[20:08] <popey> evening
[20:08]  * popey watches HIGNFY
[20:08] <mungbean> teenager acts like eejit on holiday, parents secretly watch :s
[20:08]  * neuro will watch hignfy when certain automated systems obtain it ;)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I saw one where they decided if the kid got a car or not based on his driving
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I guess this is similar?
[20:09] <neuro> in the mean time, sim city \o/
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: on steam? for linux?
[20:09] <neuro> err, no, on origin, for win8
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> bah
[20:09] <neuro> no other way to get it
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I have Simcity 4 in Steam on Windows
[20:10] <neuro> so do i
[20:10] <neuro> and i have the original DVD somewhere too from years ago
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> I have Simcity 1 on CD-ROM ("Maxis Special Edition" or something)
[20:10] <neuro> the new sim city will be out on mac next month, so i can stop playing it on my win8 dell, or in a parallels win7 VM
[20:11] <neuro> i admit to being very surprised by the performance within a VM
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> positively?
[20:11] <neuro> yeah
[20:11] <mungbean> my wife and i had a week off between xmas/new year once and played simcity and sims2 for  a week
[20:11] <neuro> a few stutters here and there, but with the quality set to a sort of middling-highish sort of level, it was very usable
[20:11] <mungbean> felt guilty after
[20:12] <neuro> mungbean: when this new one came out and after the servers settled down, i had a 14 hour solid session
[20:12] <neuro> i only stepped away during that time for, you know, biological reasons
[20:12] <mungbean> we had only been married 2 months
[20:12] <neuro> haha
[20:12] <mungbean> part of doing your own thing i guess. we didnt live together b4
[20:13] <popey> love this poet chap on HIGNFY
[20:13] <mungbean> its a dream now i have kids to have no responsibilities 4 the week
[20:14] <popey> heh
[20:15] <popey> I might take Sam (6) along to my local LUG meeting tomorrow
[20:15] <popey> he'll likely just play minecraft
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: does he use vim or Emacs?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: bash or zsh?
[20:15] <mungbean> get him some airfix \o/
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> kde or gnome?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:16] <neuro> HE'LL USE WHAT HE'S BLOOMIN' WELL TOLD TO USE! :)
[20:16] <popey> at the last lug meet he had wifeys macbook pro running osx
[20:16] <neuro> \o/
[20:16] <popey> he used to use linux, now mostly uses osx
[20:18] <popey> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IR8BCTc4Uok/UWljZ-7uc6I/AAAAAAAAWyk/WQnwGbFyHCQ/w411-h548-no/1365860900277.jpg
[20:18] <neuro> ahhh simcity earthquake!! :(
[20:19] <mgdm> I very nearly bought some Airfix yesterday
[20:21] <mgdm> couldn't decide what to get, though :)
[20:21] <popey> he doesnt have the patience
[20:21] <popey> neither do i
[20:27] <mungbean> mgdm: what sort of thing u like? planes?
[20:28] <mgdm> mungbean: yeah - did a bunch of them when I was quite a bit younger, and a couple of boats
[20:28] <mgdm> sadly when I went to Uni, they all got destroyed or thrown out
[20:28] <mungbean> in terms of simple kits to get back into it, the airfix spitfire mk1a and p51d mustang are amazing kits
[20:28] <mgdm> I did both :-D
[20:28] <mungbean> these are new releases
[20:28] <brobostigon> that was a definate hilerous HIGNFY. :)
[20:29] <neuro> shhhh
[20:29] <brobostigon> hilerious*
[20:29] <neuro> say no more :)
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: have you tried Kerbal Space Program?
[20:29] <mungbean> any newly re-done kit since 2010 is amazing quality
[20:29] <brobostigon> :)
[20:29] <popey> wifey thinks sam would love to model
[20:29] <mgdm> Ah! I did a Spitfire as my first kit, then the Mustang quite a bit later
[20:29] <popey> MartijnVdS: not yet
[20:29] <neuro> and it's "hilarious" ;)
[20:29] <brobostigon> neuro: keep an eye on the blond hair, :)
[20:29] <neuro> stfu
[20:29] <neuro> please
[20:30] <brobostigon> ok, sorry.
[20:30] <neuro> np :)
[20:30] <brobostigon> :)
[20:30] <popey> sam isnt really into 2nd world war planes tho
[20:30] <mungbean> theres the afghanistan stuff
[20:30]  * popey googles
[20:30] <neuro> i wasn't either when i was a kid
[20:30] <popey> or rather amazons
[20:30] <popey> me either
[20:30] <neuro> i was a jet fighter kid for years and years
[20:30] <brobostigon> ELO on the ML :)
[20:31] <popey> but then my dad wasnt around
[20:31] <mungbean> http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/operation-herrick-afghanistan/
[20:31] <popey> so i didnt get the parental guidance to make models
[20:31] <neuro> aww
[20:31] <neuro> i think my dad got more into them than i did ;)
[20:31] <popey> ah, now, jeeps might go down well
[20:31] <neuro> i just wanted to play rather than have to build stuff
[20:31] <popey> with army men or sommat
[20:32] <mgdm> I did it myself, by dad is not the practical type
[20:32] <mungbean> my bro was 4 yrs older
[20:32] <mgdm> I was very tempted by the Saturn V kit now that I'm a bit older :-)
[20:33] <popey> oooh!
[20:33] <neuro> ohhhhh
[20:33] <popey> they do rockets?
[20:33] <mgdm> Oh yes
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[20:33] <mgdm> they have a 4-ft high Saturn
[20:33] <popey> now that he might like
[20:33] <neuro> what the ...
[20:33] <neuro> 4 foot?!
[20:33] <mgdm> (and a smalle rone too, I think)
[20:33] <popey> now.. ISS...
[20:33] <mungbean> http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/space/
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Kerbal Space Program ;)
[20:33] <mungbean> rockets seem boring to me
[20:34] <neuro> ohh shuttle kit
[20:34] <mgdm> sorry, not 4ft - about 2.5
[20:34] <neuro> seriously?
[20:34] <neuro> they're fire breathing awesome monsters
[20:34] <neuro> what's not to like?
[20:34] <mgdm> http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/space/a11170-apollo-saturn-v-a11170/
[20:34] <mungbean> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revell-Scale-International-Space-Station/dp/B0000BX89P
[20:34] <mgdm> it was in Hobbycraft the other week
[20:35] <neuro> fort?
[20:35] <mungbean> i see modelling as a grown ups hobby that kids can do in their own way too
[20:35] <mgdm> neuro: aye
[20:36] <mgdm> neuro: up the stairs at the back they have masses of 'em
[20:36] <neuro> i've never been there in my puff
[20:36] <neuro> the fort, i mean
[20:36] <popey> do you display them ?
[20:36] <popey> i know some people hang them by threads from the celing
[20:36] <mgdm> and all the paint etc. I never had an airbrish when I was wee, I might now though :-)
[20:36] <mgdm> popey: mine were on the shelves in my room as I built them with the landing gear down
[20:36] <mungbean> not essential tho
[20:37] <mgdm> no, but the silver finish on the Mustang suffered for not having one
[20:37] <neuro> well yeah
[20:37] <neuro> ooh, the S-V is properly staged!
[20:37] <neuro> and has a dinky wee LM and CM
[20:37] <mgdm> Yep :D
[20:37] <mgdm> hence my temptation
[20:38] <neuro> and i presume the ET is there to show it's seperable as well
[20:38] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/1LufwbTKPUaWjSExwUXku4
[20:38] <mungbean> typhoon i made
[20:38] <mgdm> nice work
[20:39] <neuro> *nice*
[20:39] <mgdm> I would quite like a model of a Hawker Hunter
[20:39] <mgdm> for no reason other than they look quite cool
[20:39] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/5Io36t26RTZq8yy6fuOxx6
[20:39] <popey> http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/space/a50106m-one-small-step-for-man-a50106m/
[20:40] <mungbean> this one is teeny
[20:40] <popey> i like the look of that
[20:40] <mgdm> mungbean: very nice
[20:40] <mungbean> amazon etc are quite a lot under rrp
[20:40] <mungbean> thx mgdm
[20:40] <mungbean> im not even that good,
[20:41] <mungbean> just a bit of patience and relaxation
[20:41] <mgdm> Heh, RFC4824
[20:41] <mgdm> yeah
[20:41] <mungbean> im aiming to do a lancaster soon
[20:42] <mgdm> I did a wellington, but I wasn't very good at it
[20:42] <mungbean> when u were 8?
[20:42] <mgdm> I was a bit older than that
[20:43] <neuro> I did an SR-71
[20:43] <neuro> it was boss
[20:43] <neuro> although technically it was an M-21, because it had the D-21 drone as well
[20:44] <mgdm> I read a couple of books recently about the OXCART program
[20:44] <neuro> the whole thing is nuts
[20:44] <mgdm> weird that they made the A-21 and then binned them not long after
[20:44] <mungbean> whats that?
[20:44] <neuro> A-12
[20:44] <mgdm> err, yes, typo
[20:44] <neuro> mungbean: basically the programme that led to the SR-71 Blackbird
[20:44] <neuro> check it on wikipedia, you'll be there for Houuuuuuuuuuurs
[20:45] <mgdm> I also read some stuff about the Vulcan, the Concorde, and some other bits
[20:45] <neuro> loads of cute tales, like they needed titanium
[20:45] <neuro> and they were running low
[20:45] <neuro> (the US, that is)
[20:45] <mungbean> vulcan prog on recently waqs interesting, longest bomb run ever
[20:45] <neuro> so they approached the USSR to buy some, not telling them what it was for, obviously :)
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: hah, sneaky
[20:46] <neuro> "o hai, we needs titanium!"
[20:46] <neuro> "what is it for?"
[20:46] <mgdm> I thought they went via a middleman (well, middlecountry)
[20:46] <neuro> "certainly not a high speed, high altitude reconnaissance plane to fly over your territory, not at all!"
[20:47] <mungbean> ehat i also love about modelling is the history u learn too
[20:47] <mgdm> when I was in Hobbycraft I did buy a big slab of synthetic clay stuff
[20:47] <neuro> see, i just loved the history on its own :)
[20:47] <mgdm> I have no idea what I will build with that
[20:47] <DJones> WHAT.....thunderbird is 76.0GB in size
[20:47] <mgdm> (aside from a penguin)
[20:48] <popey> DJones: your .thunderbird folder?
[20:49] <DJones> popey: Yep
[20:49] <neuro> mgdm: money shot: http://www.immaculateflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sr71-Waiting.jpg
[20:49] <popey> compact all folders
[20:49] <popey> mine went from 30GB to 2.5GB
[20:49] <mgdm> neuro: great pic :-)
[20:49] <DJones> Giving it a go
[20:49] <mgdm> neuro: I am going to try and go to an airshow this year in an attempt to see XH558 fly before it goes away forever
[20:50] <DJones> I'd been wondering where all my disk space was going, sat down with disk usage analyser going to see what was causing it
[20:50] <mungbean> theres another lanc flypast soon
[20:50] <neuro> me and my dad have VIP tix for leuchars, courtesy of my mum getting them for us for my dad's 60th
[20:51] <mgdm> jammy bar steward
[20:53] <neuro> yarp
[20:56] <neuro> might try and get myself a decent camera by then
[20:56] <mungbean> http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/displayinfo/
[20:56] <mungbean> wow those guys are busy
[20:56] <mgdm> I had a tour round the BBMF hanger in the mid nineties
[20:57] <mgdm> <-- ex-ATC
[20:58] <redtape|renegade> random. [i know]
[21:00] <neuro> um, ok
[21:01] <neuro> mgdm: this is a neat article
[21:01] <mgdm> neuro: got a link?
[21:01] <neuro> "I pulled the throttles to idle just south of Sicily, but we still overran the refueling tanker awaiting us over Gibraltar"
[21:01] <DJones> popey: That reduced it from 75Gb to 42Gb, still seems somewhat high
[21:01] <neuro> http://gizmodo.com/5511236/the-thrill-of-flying-the-sr+71-blackbird
[21:01] <mgdm> neuro: hehe, I've seen that line before
[21:02] <mgdm> neuro: I liked another article where I read that the faster they went, the less fuel they used
[21:02] <mgdm> 'physics lol'
[21:02] <neuro> yeah, that was nuts
[21:03] <neuro> she was a leaky bism, JP2 going all over the place
[21:03] <neuro> until she got up to speed and altitude
[21:03] <neuro> then all the seals just settled into place
[21:05] <mgdm> neuro: "As inconceivable as it may sound, I once discarded the plane. Literally." - figured he meant he ejected
[21:05] <mgdm> I've read other folk talking about ejecting as 'throwing away the plane'
[21:05] <neuro> lol yeah
[21:13] <neuro> mgdm: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sled-Driver-Flying-Worlds-Fastest/dp/0929823087
[21:13] <neuro> YIKES
[21:13] <neuro> New from --
[21:13] <neuro> Used from £193.71
[21:13] <mgdm> blimey
[21:17] <mungbean> oh noes i am enjoying a prank show on bbc3
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: time to call 111 ;)
[21:31] <Azelphur> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability
[21:31] <Azelphur> woot woot
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Also, ammonia leak
[21:31] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (I've seen people comment "Hmm, ISS switches to from Windows to Linux in the week Kerbal Space Program is released for Linux? Must be a coincidence")
[21:32] <Azelphur> haha
[21:32] <mungbean> carmageddon over 100mb..why so big
[21:33] <neuro> probably some fmv
[21:33] <mungbean> android
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: because of the tracking software
[21:33] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bwuurm0td9audxf/HZ2poq8SuP got the keys to my new flat today, I think I nailed the selection :P
[21:33] <neuro> see, this is why i think this whole "we must defeat windows, linux must be on every desktop, etc etc" idea is flawed
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: they need to know where you are
[21:33] <neuro> i don't think that should be the goal, i don't believe it's achievable
[21:33] <neuro> but
[21:34] <Azelphur> bitcoin money gets you nice things \m/
[21:34] <neuro> doing awesome stuff like ISS powered by Linux
[21:34] <neuro> LHC powered by Linux
[21:34] <neuro> those things are exceptionally amazing, and should be encouraged
[21:34] <neuro> all IMHO of course
[21:34] <mungbean> which distro on iss?
[21:34] <mgdm> Debian 6
[21:34] <neuro> Debian 6, RHEL, Scientific
[21:34] <Azelphur> neuro: there's no reason all avenues can't be pushed with Linux, that's the point, from the ordinary to the extraordinary, Linux is there with all the capability to get you where you need to go :)
[21:34] <mungbean> cool
[21:35] <mungbean> nice solid choices
[21:35] <directhex> the ISS isn't powered by linux. the laptops in the ISS being used for experiments and internetting and stuff will be powered by linux
[21:35] <mungbean> thinkpads?
[21:35] <mgdm> I've been doing a lot with VMs of late, so most of my Linux boxes are virtual, and I consider them mostly disposable
[21:35] <mgdm> as I think I might have mentioned
[21:35] <mgdm> automation FTW
[21:35] <neuro> directhex: the science on board is essentially "powered" by Linux
[21:36] <directhex> the science on board is powered by spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
[21:36] <neuro> i'minspace
[22:00] <neuro> mgdm: hehe, ISS has at least one Cisco VoIP phone onboard
[22:00] <neuro> they can make any unofficial comms using it
[22:00] <mgdm> neuro: hah. Will the 'CTU' ringtone, i hope
[22:00] <neuro> but the caller ID is JSC
[22:01] <neuro> so you'd think it was JSC, but then someone says "o hai i'm in space"
[22:01] <mgdm> we have Cisco phones at work, but sadly they don't have that ringtone
[22:01] <neuro> it's a ringtone from ancient cisco firmware iirc
[22:01] <mgdm> these are ancient phones
[22:01] <neuro> even more ancient than those then :)
[22:02] <mgdm> heh
[23:19] <redtape|renegade> OT | redtape|renegade raises the periscope for #Caturday :::: http://bit.ly/desktopperiscope