=== CyberJacob|Away is now known as CyberJacob === CyberJacob is now known as CyberJacob|Away === CyberJacob|Away is now known as CyberJacob === CyberJacob is now known as CyberJacob|Away [02:56] Oh! === CyberJacob|Away is now known as CyberJacob === CyberJacob is now known as CyberJacob|Away === sam_nazarko is now known as Guest950 === CyberJacob|Away is now known as CyberJacob [07:33] Morning [07:36] Mailing list seems a bit feisty at the moment [07:38] popey: Not saucy? [07:38] ☻ [07:51] morning all [08:21] * popey wonders why Half Life 2 (Beta) doesn't have an "Install" button for me on Linux.. [08:21] does for me [08:21] how queer [08:22] seeing as how it's not going to be a beautiful day, I might play it at lunchtime [08:22] oh, HL2? i might be able to continuie where i left off [08:23] 5 yrs ago [08:23] heh [08:23] i was in a boat i think [08:24] muhahah, steam downloading at 8.4MB/s [08:24] clearly not opened this in a while [08:29] yeah, whenever there's a new for-linux game I need to wait for steam to update before installing it and finding that it doesn't work on my pre-sandybridge mobile graphics [08:38] Portal \o/ [08:40] Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Windmill Day! :-D [08:41] lo [08:41] 2013 and PPAs still don't support changelogs - why? [08:41] And good morning peeps :) [08:42] bigcalm, patches welcome? [08:42] bigcalm, and good morning. ;) [08:42] JamesTait: ha :P [08:43] Just surprised at how long we've had PPAs without that feature [08:46] bigcalm, I know the feeling, and I don't know the reason. [08:46] I suspect if patches are actually welcome, it wouldn't be beyong my capabilities, but I have far too many projects going on as it is. [08:47] I know diddly about LP [08:47] * JamesTait invents new words as he goes along. [08:51] I suspect the main problem is that for packages in the archive, the changelog gets replicated to changelogs.ubuntu.com, whereas for PPAs that doesn't happen, so the changelogs are buried in debian/changelog in a .tar.gz or a .deb [08:53] So maybe the change would have to be double-pronged - get the PPA subsystem to write the changelogs somewhere in the PPA, and make apt aware of the location of said changelog. [08:54] But, LALALALALALALALALA I'm not going to get sucked into it. === Guest17068 is now known as WTFShelley [08:56] Morning all [08:57] WTFShelley, o/ [08:57] @JamesTait, hi [08:58] Blimey, I clearly don't open Steam very often. It's downloaded 15.7GB so far since 9:07 this morning. [08:58] wow beefy internet at your house [08:59] mmm beef === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [08:59] http://drool.popey.com/ [08:59] Good morning [08:59] Correct. [09:02] morning all o/ [09:03] darn it, is there a way to reset my username/password on the irc server? cant remember my password, or im i boned? [09:03] *am* [09:06] mbs_: If you forget your password, but still have access to the email account that is associated with the IRC account, staff can send a password reset email. Simply ask in #freenode or PM a staff member to have the email sent. [09:08] The staff on Freenode are helpful [09:12] cheers Moo, Jacobw [09:15] mbs_: See if you can get a cloak while you're at it, it makes you look cooler :) [09:15] * bigcalm bounces all over the place [09:16] HL 2, ep1, ep2, lc. All ready to be installed [09:16] * bigcalm wibbles [09:16] mine are already installed :) [09:16] wait WHAT? [09:16] *click* [09:16] steamy [09:17] * bigcalm is very glad for the virginmedia upgrade right now :) [09:17] yeah, I assumed as much :) [09:17] * MartijnVdS is glad with his 100/100 atm :) [09:17] LC? [09:17] well fibre, not atm :P [09:17] jacobw: Lost Coast [09:17] MartijnVdS: get your money quickly [09:17] bigcalm: asynchronous transfer mode ;) [09:18] MartijnVdS: aww :P [09:18] MartijnVdS: 100/100 is stm, surely? [09:18] ATM ftw [09:18] bigcalm: it's ethernet [09:19] bigcalm: I have an ethernet "media converter" that spits out my ISP on VLAN 6 (PPPoE) and TV on VLAN 4 (if I were to get the subscription) [09:19] Damn my 120GB SSD. Need to make space or hook up a USB3 drive for gaming [09:19] bigcalm: 500GB SSDs are becoming affordable [09:19] bigcalm: I just brought a lpatop with a 512GB SSD for £700 [09:20] :O [09:20] just sayin' :) [09:20] I am possibly a cheapskate [09:20] bigcalm: "I might have a bit of Scottish ancestry"? ;) [09:20] (sorry Scots) [09:20] Ha [09:20] MartijnVdS: with Cuthbertson as my surname, this is 100% true [09:21] I need a faster disk for /home [09:21] it's a 2TB 5400RPM disk now :( === MonsterKiller_ is now known as MonsterKiller [09:24] Yay or nay? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-STBV2000200-Expansion-Desktop-Drive/dp/B0084LZI5Y [09:24] I have an external Seagate drive [09:24] I don't trust it [09:24] good morning everyone. [09:25] I'll only be using this for Steam games. So if it dies, just download again [09:26] bigcalm: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Series-250GB-Solid-State/dp/B009LI7C9Y [09:27] MartijnVdS: slowly coming down. I don't have so much spare cache though [09:27] s/cache/cash [09:27] lol [09:32] Morning brobostigon [09:33] morning bigcalm [09:36] Do I want to wait until next week for the drive to be delivered for free, or buy it today from PC World for 15 quid more? [09:37] I have a horrible feeling that it'll be the latter [09:37] PC world, weekend usage. [09:37] Yeah [09:38] You won't be buyng anything else at the weekend while you're busy with your Steam games [09:39] :D [09:39] bigcalm, is it cheaper from pc world online? [09:40] directhe`: no [09:40] Well, doesn't seem to be: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/data-storage/hard-drives/desktop-external-hard-drives/seagate-expansion-sgr39211-external-hard-drive-2tb-black-16787143-pdt.html [09:41] Slightly older model [09:41] * bigcalm grumbles with indecision [09:41] bah! [09:41] why wont it let me install HL2 Beta? [09:41] Humbug? [09:41] directhe`: fix it [09:42] popey: works for me [09:42] popey, restart steam [09:42] restarted [09:42] no install button [09:43] steam://install/220 [09:43] "Half-Life 2 (Beta) is not available on your current platform." [09:44] wow you're nice enough to lend out a HD popey and you still get crap. [09:44] same for Portal beta [09:44] czajkowski: not lend, give [09:44] popey: So that's why it's downloading at 4MB/seconds :) [09:44] wow [09:44] even worse [09:44] popey: hm, what happens if you choose "Client update' from the "Steam" menu? [09:44] popey, hm. hang on... [09:45] popey, quit steam, erase ~/.local/share/Steam/ClientRegistry.blob [09:47] Funky! http://i.imgur.com/O3HDobf.jpg [09:47] or should I say "Trippy" [09:48] ._. [09:48] your opengl be screwed [09:48] reminds me of doom3 on voodoo2 [09:48] directhe`: pre-ivy bridge Intel [09:48] * popey tries that [09:48] czajkowski: wrong Alan, oops :S [09:48] hmm [09:49] i have no .local/share/Steam [09:49] popey: ~/Steam or ~/.steam then? [09:49] bigcalm: ah you got the mail [09:49] aha [09:49] didnt arrive in my inbox [09:49] for me it's in ~/Steam/ClientRegistry.blob [09:49] ~/Steam [09:50] super old steam install @_@ [09:50] Early adopters [09:50] ☻ [09:50] ya [09:50] your steam.deb is 1.0.0.38? [09:50] pre beta [09:50] directhe`: yes [09:50] nope, still no install button [09:51] popey: try a fresh steam install on a different machine? [09:51] no ☻ [09:51] popey, steam deb is 1.0.0.38? [09:51] 1.0.0.14 [09:51] jesus [09:52] I should probably update that? ☻ [09:52] where from? [09:52] you need to update that to at least... 1.0.0.31, for recent games to think of working [09:52] popey: apt? [09:52] deb http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam [09:52] deb-src http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam [09:52] ta [09:52] It's been updating itself for me [09:52] popey: I have those in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/steam.list [09:52] http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb [09:52] steam.deb adds the repo itself [09:52] so just dpkg -i steam.deb [09:53] this looks better [09:53] * popey notes czajkowski called me Alan Bell [09:54] the client verifies itself to make sure the deb is properly up to date, as of the late 1.0.0.20's, so yours is too old to know it's too old [09:54] popey: we've never seen you in the sam.....er i'll shut up [09:54] heh [09:54] popey: should just stick to Alan [09:54] law of averages I'l get it right [09:54] :)_ [09:54] haha, now when I open steam it says "Couldn't find steam content, did you move it" [09:54] why I didnt get my own mail is more annoying even though I've that set on the mailman settings [09:54] WHO MOVED MY CHEESE [09:55] om nom cheese [09:55] then a EULA [09:55] then updating again [09:56] czajkowski: [09:56] bah! [09:56] * czajkowski offers popey an egg bap [09:56] popey: that must be rather annoying [09:57] popey, /usr/bin/steam is an updater and bootstrapper. you need an up to date /usr/bin/steam to take care of updating ~/Steam [09:57] now I think I'm going to end up with no games [09:57] It's not ~/Steam any more, is it? [09:57] It is for me.. [09:57] At least, since reinstalling onto my new SSD I think it's in a dot-directory somewhere [09:57] PC World doesn't have the drive in stock in my local store. No HD for me! [09:58] oh, I completely missed discussion of this, I suck. [09:58] bigcalm: is there a deal on, or did you just fancy paying far too much? [09:58] popey, if it shows you no games, manually move the folders from Steam/SteamApps/common/ to .local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/ [09:58] Dave2: wanting it now so I can use it over the weekend [09:59] and the gcf files, for tf2 [09:59] and the acf files, technically [09:59] I want the GTA series to be ported to Linux :) [09:59] i cant login ☹ [09:59] but you could just say "install this game" and it'll download the acf file again, recheck your game folder that you manually moved, and not redownload [09:59] it hasn't sent me the code email [09:59] MartijnVdS: Really? [09:59] slow mail server is slow [10:00] aha, here it is [10:00] jacobw: Yeah, 3, Vice City, San Andreas [10:00] MartijnVdS, i don't see it happening. [10:00] jacobw: I have them in Steam on Windows.. but rebooting = hassle [10:00] directhe`: not soon, no.. but they're still porting those to new platforms, I think (Android comes to mind) [10:01] android is a major growth platform [10:01] Ubuntu might become one too, if the phone/tabled thing gets off the ground ;) [10:01] tablet* [10:02] the phone/tablet thing doesn't help here unless the phone/tablet run intel [10:02] yay! [10:02] it finded stuff once I moved it [10:02] \o/ [10:02] HL2 has an install button! [10:02] * popey abuses his internet [10:02] huzzah [10:02] I'm looking forward to more details on the apt/dpkg improvements [10:03] thank you directhe` [10:03] jacobw: do you mean the new packaging system that was announced? [10:03] SuperMatt: Yeah [10:03] it won't be anything to do with apt/dpkg ;) [10:03] jacobw: are you following the mailing list [10:04] czajkowski: Which mailing list? [10:05] jacobw: ubuntu-devel mailing lis t [10:05] it's where the thread was poste with the information [10:05] czajkowski: ubuntu-uk has a lot of consumer rights and odd expectations of PC World salesmen sized noise [10:05] czajkowski: Thanks, I'll read that [10:05] not to mention how packard bell should deal with people [10:05] +1 [10:05] it's an unusal list :) [10:06] jacobw: there will also be a session at vUDS next week on it [10:06] you can find that out via http://uds.ubuntu.com/ [10:06] czajkowski: I'm not affliated with Canonical in anyway other than having a Launchpad account, is vUDS accessible to me? [10:06] jacobw: yup vUDS is open to anyone and everyone [10:07] :) [10:07] jacobw: the sessions are public and online and on air :) [10:07] jacobw: you can register via LP to attend not that it actually matters now it's online tbh [10:07] popey, tbh i'm impressed it was still letting you log in with such an old client version [10:07] jacobw: each session has an etherpad and a youtbe video, but also a blueprint associated with it [10:07] baffled me [10:08] it's good to know even popey gets baffled, makes us all feel more human :) [10:11] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-click-package [10:12] jacobw: yup so if you click subscribe on that [10:12] you'll get an email notification of any items added to that during the cycle [10:16] Something like a copy on write scheme allowing packages to ship their own versions of files but deduplicating and updating identical files seems like a good idea if there's a strong enough use case for it outside of catering for expectations from other platforms [10:23] Flashing hardware is so sloooooooooooooooooow [10:39] popey: wtf?! :) [10:40] popey: you really must have wound up gareth for him to refuse a free hard disk :) [10:40] definitely one of the oddest ML threads i've seen in a long while [10:41] and that includes ones about dolphins [10:41] heh [10:41] neuro: saying a lot as you're omn uknot :) [10:41] exactly [10:42] what i did find interesting was after phill going on about community responsibility and people should offer to help and send stuff, gareth just point blank said "i don't want any stuff from anyone" [10:42] at that point i gave up on the thread [10:42] not much point in engaging further really, is there? [10:43] it feels like the list equivalent of someone going on facebook and posting "*sigh*" and nothing else [10:43] then everyone else piles on with "are you ok?" "do you need help?" "zomg" and then they reply with "no, i don't need help, i'm fine, honestly. *sigh*" [10:44] only women seem to do that [10:44] "some people need to sort out their life" [10:44] are you ok hun? [10:44] "Nobody understands me!" [10:44] men just go : GRRR i hate alex ferguson [10:45] haha [10:45] lol [10:45] not sure if this afternoon is shaping up to be a Juno Reactor afternoon, or a Crystal Method afternoon [10:46] mungbean: sweaping statements-- [10:46] DANGER, WOMAN ENGAGED, RAISE DEFENSIVE SHIELDING! [10:47] neuro: You have 13 minutes to decide [10:47] some of my collegues went who's he ;) [10:47] i want it to be a Crystal Method afternoon [10:47] but i think it's going to be a Juno Reactor afternoon [10:47] czajkowski: its a hypothesis [10:48] need choons that are loud, bouncy and fast [10:48] neuro: leftfield! [10:48] and i'm tempted just to play them through every bloomin system in the house and just raise the roof off [10:48] tsk [10:48] leftfield have like 2 bouncy tracks ever [10:48] the rest are all just moody grumpy electronic equivalents of shoegazing [10:48] neuro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSUsiseIx0 [10:49] Emotronic [10:49] jacobw: perfect :) [10:49] czajkowski: TUT TUT MISSUS!!!! [10:50] who seriously listens to albums off youtube?! [10:51] >_> [10:51] I get lazy sometimes [10:51] neuro: sometimes I do if I want a varietyelse I listen to radions tations that don't talk [10:51] the audio quality is mince! [10:51] anyway, i have leftism on cd somewhere [10:52] which means it found its way into my labyrinthine itunes folder [10:52] in ALAC, apparently [10:53] ooh hang on a second [10:54] don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner [10:54] Master of Puppets [10:54] \m/ [10:54] czajkowski: also, it's, you know, rather blatant copyright infringement :) [10:55] czajkowski: better quality version of your youtube link: http://open.spotify.com/album/4kY6z5DSnmAihvm3F1ePlK [10:55] neuro: oh indeed. but my cd collection is in Ireland and want bopping music as it's Friday :) [10:55] neuro: I hadn't heard Leftism in about 10 years until bagpuss had it on recently [10:56] time to add it to jons spotify music listening :) [10:56] mgdm: you hear bits from time to time when watching late 90s, early 2000s movies [10:56] cf Hackers, Vanilla Sky, etc [10:56] so handy to connect to the sonos via phone and have the music in the house blaring when outside at the bbq :) [10:56] neuro: aye [10:56] but i don't think i've listened to the album all the way through for years [10:56] I did about 3 days ago [10:57] right, chemical brothers have finished serenading the Hanna soundtrack to me [10:57] time for some RAAWWWWWWWWWWK [10:57] oh the acoustic guitar of Battery ... how you deceive us with your gentle quietness ... [10:57] any second my neighbours are going to explode like the heads in Scanners [10:58] YEAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! [10:59] i just noticed something [10:59] neuro, I approve of your music choice, and will listen to the same. [11:00] 37M /Volumes/Storage Bay/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/Metallica/Master of Puppets/01 Battery.m4a [11:00] that one track takes up about the same space as a whole album i might have ripped about 15 years ago ... ;) [11:00] yes, I used to rip in 96Kbps MP3 *hangs head in shame* [11:01] JamesTait: \m/ [11:02] neuro, \n/ <- Simpsons metal (borrowed from a colleague) [11:02] heh [11:02] sorry if i'm waffling, i'm taking a break from munging analog reporting .bat files into bash and it's hurting my head [11:02] JamesTait: like it :) [11:03] ~/ I'M YOUR SOURCE OF SELF DEEEESTRUUUUUCTIONNNNN! /~ [11:05] * JamesTait is still on the Battery guitar solo. [11:05] kirk hammett = solo god [11:05] Air guitars at the ready. [11:05] weedly weedly weedly weeeeeeee [11:06] :D [11:06] kirk and james did an awesome Star Spangled Banner at an SF Giants game last week [11:06] I saw photos - the music didn't really come across. [11:06] there's video, hang on [11:07] http://ultimateclassicrock.com/metallica-national-anthem-san-francisco-giants/ [11:08] neuro, woo, thanks. :) [11:08] i want to get one of the Giants batting practice replica shirts, but sadly they don't do them in sysadmin size :P [11:09] JamesTait: watch the "Zito rocks out with Metallica" vid too, tis pretty cool [11:09] neuro: Sysadmin size? [11:09] 4XL :D [11:10] :) [11:10] they do batter and fielder game day shirts in 4XL, will probably end up getting one of those instead [11:10] Looking old now, but still rocking out. [11:10] totally [11:11] did you hear any of the live tracks they recorded at the Fillmore for their 30th anniversary? [11:11] absolutely epic stuff [11:11] No. :( [11:12] You're making me feel old and out of touch now. ;) [11:12] hehe [11:12] you are old... [11:12] i mean, hi! [11:13] nice, christel, nice :) [11:13] JamesTait: http://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,398/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-12-5-2011-The-Fillmore-San-Francisco-CA.html [11:13] Hi christel. Love you too. ;) [11:13] click "Next >" above the album art on left to go to dec 7, 9 and 10 [11:14] dave mustaine came back [11:14] <3 [11:14] jason newsted came back [11:14] and the other guests were just epic epic epic [11:18] I have nothing against Trujello, but I'll always have a soft spot for Newsted. [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] FUCK UBUNTU! [11:22] nice [11:22] Meh [11:22] popey: ^ [11:22] FUCK YOU BITCH [11:22] i see we have some intelligent discourse, finally [11:22] POPEY NIGGER [11:22] What's the point? [11:22] dunno [11:23] I AM HERE TO DISS YALL UK NIGGER FAGGOTS [11:23] bigcalm: best to not engage [11:23] attention seeker? [11:23] i never understand this tbh [11:23] Myrtti: you about [11:23] ND SAY BIG FUCK YOU [11:23] it's like running around in the street screaming I AM A MONG [11:23] TO ALL THE BRITISH BASTARDS [11:23] ON THIS FUCKING CHANNEL [11:23] czajkowski: no intention of doing so. I just don't get the point. Oh well :) [11:23] PALE FACED MOTHERFUCKERS [11:23] FUCK U [11:23] FUCK U [11:23] FUCK U [11:23] delightful. [11:23] here comes the rain [11:23] Myrtti: thank you [11:23] czajkowski: there is the ops call too [11:24] hee [11:24] indeed, i was afk [11:24] Myrtti: I thought there was but couldnt remember what it was [11:24] Myrtti: is that like using the bat signal? [11:24] it shines an ubuntu logo in the sky [11:24] bigcalm: it's more like having Batman in the channel [11:24] unsurprisingly it's !ops [11:25] which is funny because many other channel visitors think it's some kind of static thing that works in any channel [11:25] Myrtti: there's another guy in here who's causing hassle, you should probably boot them too [11:25] can't remember their name though ... [11:25] is it that neuro bloke again? [11:25] neuro: you? [11:25] Grrr. My SGS3 has recently started freezing on the lock screen and it takes a battery removal to fix it. Grumble [11:25] yeah, him! [11:25] * christel tickles Myrtti [11:25] he's an IDIOT! [11:26] yeah, sorry about the slow response, I was eating the dinner I didn't have yesterday [11:26] i'd say that was pretty nippy actually [11:27] * neuro wonders where that IP was [11:27] DN Advertising Network [11:29] somewhere near zurich [11:29] Glattbrugg [11:30] I swear there is a full moon out today with all the crazies coming out of the woodwork [11:30] arooooooooooo [11:30] werewolves of networks [11:31] arooooooooooooooooo [11:31] yay for Half-Life 2 episodes being available for Steam on Linux [11:32] dwatkins: catch up, that was 9am news :P [11:32]