[05:57] morning [07:00] w00h00 [07:00] carmageddon friday! [07:23] hi superfly and others [07:25] morning Kilos [07:32] hi morgs [07:32] aw havent greeted henkj for a while now , hi henkj [07:34] hi [07:36] hi morgs [07:50] hi psyatw [07:50] hi Kilos [07:57] hi Vince-0 [07:58] hai [08:25] good mornings [08:28] morning inetpro [08:44] oh my [08:50] hi acherv [08:50] Kilos-, hi === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [08:50] lol [08:51] my 8ta also starting to mess around [08:52] i think those guys have a pb [08:53] whats that? [08:53] i said they have problem [08:54] ah lol [08:54] because it's everyone who complain [08:54] ya [08:55] and they were so good 4 or 5 months ago [08:56] Kilos, i have a question [08:56] yes? [08:56] What is the difference between /mnt and /media? [08:57] hmm.. media is normally cdroms and sticks i think [08:57] hi Trixar_zb [08:58] lets hear what the clever guys say [08:59] i always need help with the tecnical stuff [08:59] technical [08:59] ok [09:00] Vince-0, will know [09:02] i remember my external i used at /media/storage [09:07] while we waiting acherv what do you want to do [09:08] Kilos, just a question i am asking myself [09:08] ah i thought it was something you wanted to do [09:09] not yet [09:10] heey [09:11] ubuntu usually uses /media/storage as auto mount [09:11] Vince-0, hi [09:12] hi [09:13] but in FHS, we have /mnt and /media [09:14] . [09:14] Vince-0, are you there? [09:15] oh my [09:15] why we have both? [09:15] Kilos-, sorry [09:16] ive see /mnt used in a command to mount a drive or partition [09:16] yes [09:16] and also /media [09:16] sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt i thought it was [09:16] what are you trying to mount? [09:17] Vince-0, nothing for a moment [09:17] just be curious [09:17] to see both [09:17] in old day, to mount we used /mnt [09:18] now we have both [09:18] doesn't really matter - ubuntu will use its own auto-mount procedure which uses /media I think [09:22] . === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [09:22] as far as i know /mnt is for permanent mounts and /media is for non permanent things like flashdrives and removeable hdds [09:23] ya the internal drives [09:24] acherv, are you just starting to learn linux? i forget? [09:24] tonberryE352, i heard that but sounds like /mnt is useless [09:25] i put a lot of drives in /mnt [09:25] Kilos, we learn every day [09:25] useful if you do server like things and want the drives to auto mount instead of mounting them by gui [09:25] there is some good stuff one can download that teaches lots [09:26] Maaz, lpi manual [09:26] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [09:26] get that manual acherv. lotsa info in there [09:28] thx [09:29] yw [09:35] * Kilos fones 8ta again [09:52] eish the swines [09:53] they opened a new case last time i phoned and without contacting me or anything some twit closed the case [09:54] but now at least i have an email addy as well for them data guys [09:54] TM-SOC@telkom.co.za [09:55] lol [09:55] acherv, call them on 081183 and complain [09:56] if everyone keeps complaining then they might wake up [09:56] they told me last time it is because my area isnt cover [09:57] nonsense that answer [09:57] Maaz, telkom mail is TM-SOC@telkom.co.za [09:57] Kilos: If you say so [09:57] you gotta get through to the data okes and make them please explain [09:58] as in how can a case be closed without doing anything [09:58] grrr [10:05] Sorry, Ubuntu 13.04 has experienced an internal error. [10:05] message crash [10:06] lol just a popup [10:06] did you see the details [10:06] ya [10:06] hi bomberman [10:06] hey Kilos! [10:06] it's about ryth... [10:07] ryth? [10:07] music? [10:08] rhythmbox [10:08] yep [10:08] install vlc for music and videos [10:09] any Ubuntu evangelist in Cape Town wants to organize an event on 25th May? http://100in1day.co.za/ [10:10] break time [10:26] good day [10:27] hi magespawn [10:28] how are things today? [10:28] ok just fighting telkom [10:29] my connection has dropped 3 times today [10:29] so nothing new then [10:29] no man used to be slow but constant [10:29] got a mail addy for them as well [10:30] the case i opened last week has been closed with no contact with me or any feedback [10:30] so now its going up to managerial level [10:30] grrr [10:31] that does happen, and not only with telkom [10:31] unless they bin it as well [10:32] ill keep mailing them till they fix it or offer to pay my voda airtime [10:32] hehe [10:33] now that would be cool and ironic [10:33] lol [10:35] saw a voda add last night on the idiot box [10:35] they offering a 2g+2g but didnt see the cost [10:37] day + night? [10:38] ya i think so [10:38] didnt see the whole add [10:38] Kilos are you afrikaans or english? [10:38] lol [10:38] why you ask? [10:38] english man [10:39] idiot box i always took to be a english term [10:39] but your afrikaans is good [10:39] its actually slang for tv from the cb days [10:39] i grew up in van der merwe land [10:40] my mom used to use it all the time and she never was near cb ever. [10:40] ya but maybe her parent did [10:40] ? [10:41] or friends [10:41] good buddy time was long ago [10:42] maybe, do not think so though, they were english english, not from sa at all [10:43] i wonder if google will know [10:44] ask [10:44] Maaz, google the saying idiot box for tv [10:44] Kilos: "The new, new TV golden age - CNN.com" http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/showbiz/golden-age-of-tv/index.html :: "Television no longer the idiot box | Information, Gadgets, Mobile ..." http://www.news.com.au/technology/television-no-longer-the-idiot-box/story-e6frfro0-1226628385361 :: "The Gmod Idiot Box - Television Tropes & Idioms" [10:44] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGmodIdiotBox :: "The Nasty Patty / The Idiot Box - TV.com" http://www.tv… [10:46] well there we go, on my phone at the moment, will click when back at the shop. [10:46] lol [10:46] hi magespawn [10:47] I´m on pidgin now, much better and easier to join many channels than webchat [10:47] hi psyatw [10:47] psyatw, on windows? [10:47] hi charl [10:48] Kilos, yeah, so this is one of the best solutions for me [10:48] hoi charl [10:48] you can also get xchat for windows too [10:48] I have installed irssi too, but I haven´t figured out how to configure it yet [10:48] but pidgin is good if its working [10:48] hehe i battled with irssi [10:49] yeah [10:49] you can use mirc on windows [10:49] psyatw there is also a quassel version for windows, both complete and client [10:50] I guess I could, but I prefer free software [10:50] magespawn, I will look into that, thanks [10:50] I need good language support too (Asian languages), that´s why I keep coming back to pidgin [10:50] xchat was free [10:51] Maaz, google free xchat for win7 [10:51] Kilos: "A. We ask you to evaluate the product for free for 30 days to ... - XChat" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Windows - How to get XChat for free! - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YgBkpZMT8 :: "Free XChat for Windows - SUSEUnbound" [10:51] http://suseunbound.forum-free.ca/t255-free-xchat-for-windows :: "The Top 7 Best Free IRC Clients for W… [10:52] btw, can you imagine that here in Poland you can get 50Mbit/s broadband internet for only 17.5 euros [10:52] ? [10:52] whew [10:53] yeah, I was surprised by that too [10:53] and my connection at my flat is more stable than it was even in the Netherlands [10:53] good [10:53] our government says anything more than 256kbps is broadband [10:53] I am just not sure about their policies when it comes to downloading [10:53] hehe [10:54] nice psyatw [10:54] haha [10:54] yeah [10:54] so I don´t actually miss anything from home, except for my family perhaps :) [10:54] later all battery dying [10:54] see you later magespawn [10:54] k magespawn [11:17] hey all [11:18] wb magespawn [11:18] welcome back magespawn [11:18] carmageddon for andriod promo in the play store, free for today only [11:25] there ive mailed telkom as well [11:26] i hate the "môre is nog n dag" attitude [11:28] we have a similar saying in Hluhluwe, just without that same sense of urgency [11:29] lol [11:32] brb pick up fish time [11:32] k [11:32] good afternoon all [11:32] hi Kilos, psyatw [11:33] how's it going? [11:33] ok ty and you? [11:33] I am also fine, thanks [11:33] i'm good [11:33] nice long weekend for me, from yesterday until sunday [11:34] need to clean my apartment though, it's been getting dirty again [11:34] thats nice [11:34] hehe [11:34] but it's nice to take a break, had a couple of busy months this year so far [11:35] i finally upgraded my work pc to ubuntu 13.04, it turns out that vmware workstation 9.0.2 has no trouble with kernel 3.8 (for me) [11:35] nice [11:36] in unrelated news, i fully switched to using freetalk for xmpp/jabber now [11:36] it's a really nice command-line xmpp client [11:56] sigh no power on the 13th again [11:57] 0800 to 1800 [12:26] afternoon [12:36] hi Squirm [12:37] hey all [12:37] you back [12:37] wb [12:37] that was quick [12:38] just finished watering my strawberries and other plants [12:39] strawberries are nice to grow for decoration and fruit [12:40] yeah [12:40] women love eating them [12:41] i do, and it is a lot nicer if there is a women involved [12:41] hahaha [12:43] :D [12:43] chocolate covered strawberries [12:43] with whipped cream [12:43] hehe [12:45] fresh stranberry daiquiris [12:45] strawberry [12:45] wassat daiquiris thing? [12:46] a cocktail, i might have spelt it wrong [12:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiquiri [12:48] yuck, sugar in a cocktail drink [12:48] they often throw sugar in bock beer too, not for me thank you [12:49] hmm... methinks only good fruits in alcohol are marulas and yellow peaches [12:49] when i used to live in africa i used to throw amarula in my coffee [12:50] i used to serve a lot of them on ladies nights [12:50] lol [12:50] this stuff for those that don't know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarula [12:50] amarula very lekker and yellow peach mampoer [12:50] ladies nights.... :D [12:51] oh, you mean at a bar? [12:51] never had mampoer myself, afaik it's strong [12:51] haha, when i googled for it i got an afrikaans wikipedia page, very nice http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mampoer [12:52] hehe [12:52] yes i worked for some time as a waiter/barman/manager of various restuarants [12:52] the after taste of the yellow peaches is the best part [12:53] all this talk of peaches, strawberries and ladies... let's move on to a different topic :) [12:54] hehe [13:40] hi georgelappies [13:47] hi Kilos how are you? [13:47] good ty and you? [14:02] psyatw: i see you moved to poland :) [14:02] from your host that is [14:02] charl, yes, I did :) [14:02] hoe bevalt het? [14:02] I left last Sunday and arrived on Monday [14:02] het bevalt me erg goed eigenlijk [14:02] nice :) [14:03] alles is hier vrij goed geregeld en het ziet er ook vrij modern uit allemaal :) [14:03] that's interesting, i have never been to poland and i always hear it's such a poor country [14:03] but what you hear and how it is is always two different things [14:03] are always [14:04] it may be a poor country, but you have the newest shopping malls and all the latest stuff here [14:05] amazing [14:05] not what i would have expected [14:05] sounds nice [14:05] in some respect Western Europe may still be ahead, but I don´t perceive the differences to even be that big [14:05] how's the internet access [14:05] and as my uncle has told me before and I´m witnessing myself now, Poland may pass the Netherlands by in a number of years [14:06] it´s also great, I should say [14:06] you can get a 50 Mbit/s connection for about 17,5 euros [14:06] wow, that's not bad [14:06] Kilos: good thanks :) [14:06] i pay a lot more than that [14:06] not to mention, it´s very stable too [14:06] yeah [14:06] not that i can say i ever have problems with my cable but i feel ziggo is way too expensive [14:07] i pay 50+ euro per month for a stupid 60mbit connection [14:07] has not kept up with the times [14:08] and i live in like one of the *very* few cities in NL that does not have FTTH [14:08] yeah [14:08] so i am stuck on eurodoxis [14:08] you can even get 250 Mbit/s connections here [14:09] yeah i think NL with all it's wealth is going to lose ground to the "upcoming" countries [14:09] living is too expensive, tax is high, etc [14:10] but the thing is that they could have prevented all of this [14:10] in germany the salaries seem to be higher and the cost of living lower [14:10] I don´t really plan to go back to the Netherlands [14:10] yeah it's all of these stupid politics, people have just started living off the land [14:10] yeah, even germany is doing things better [14:10] off the fat of the land i mean [14:11] welfare state [14:11] i have to be honest i don't know if i want to continue living in the netherlands for the next 10 years [14:11] i am strongly considering my opportunities in germany [14:11] i just need to get my german up to scratch, quite frankly it's "echt sheisse" :) [14:12] I sure as hell didn´t want to, so I took my stuff and left :P [14:12] heh check this out [14:12] http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964056_10151555491905528_618243496_o.jpg [14:12] http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/919027_10151555492025528_1319082040_o.jpg [14:12] what the heck is that supposed to be [14:12] heh, I took one of those old hooves my dog had been chewing and stuck it under an extreme macro lens [14:13] I can only see things changing in 10 years and frankly at my age I don´t have the time to wait for that anymore [14:13] charl, its an EXTREMELY high powerful magnification lens [14:13] ah i see [14:13] it looks like some hair in a mess :) [14:14] heh, its fascinating though, but god that lens is hard to use [14:15] its a no-focus lens, meaning the entire focus is done by distance from the object [14:15] and if you dont use a remote trigger on the camera, you aint gonna get anything [14:16] charl, you could talk to me if you want to, my German is far from scheisse :) [14:16] i feel ashamed of my german for someone who lives a few KM (literally like 15KM from my apartment) from germany [14:17] anycase, i have to be off, bbl [14:18] see you later charl [14:18] if you pay 50 euro for 60 mbit line that is about the same we pay in sa for a 1mbit line with an uncapped account (not unshaped) [14:18] wow [14:19] that sounds like 2001 for us [14:20] yup and vdsl 40mbit uncapped at about R10 699.00 per month\ [14:20] that is if you can get it [14:21] i saw some prices from canada 175mbps in and out and 300gb usage for about R1000.00 per month [14:21] most sa links out are half or less of the incoming speeds [14:22] so 1mbit in is 512 out, and most uncapped is shaped [14:23] magespawn: look at google isp in the US [14:24] actually, China just got 2Gbps down and 1Gbps up [14:24] for like R400 or something crazy [14:25] Japan* [14:25] When hitched to a two-year contract, web surfers will be set back 4,980 yen ($51) per month and pony up a required 52,500 yen (roughly $540) installation fee, which is currently being waived for folks who apply online. [14:25] Maaz: 51usd to zar [14:25] Squirm: *blink* [14:25] Maaz: google 51usd to zar [14:25] Squirm: "Convert 51 US Dollar to Euro - 51 USD to EUR Exchange Rates" http://www.currency-converter-calculator.com/convert/USD/EUR/51 :: "51(USD) - US Dollar Exchange Rates" http://usd.fx-exchange.com/aud/51-exchange-rates.html :: "XE: (USD/AUD) US Dollar to Australian Dollar Rate" http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=AUD :: "TRY to USD [14:25] - Currency Converter" http://themoneyconverter.com/TRY/USD.aspx :: "Currency Calculator … [14:25] :/ [14:25] R464 === Trixar_zb is now known as Trix[a]r_za [14:37] home time later all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Kanchi is now known as Cantide [16:42] anyone here using openbox as a DE? [16:43] i'm looking for recommendations on a good taskbar-like panel [16:43] there were a couple i used to use but that was years ago, the one was tint2 but the others i forgot the name === Superhuman_ is now known as Superhuman [17:29] i use openbox for packing stuff :) [17:29] right before i stick it in the garage [17:30] i think the monkey does charl [17:30] yea the monkey uses openbox for his bannanas [17:31] no man on crunchbang linux [17:31] crunchbang [17:31] sounds horrible man [17:31] thats another linux os [17:32] and what about mint is that also linux ? [17:32] ya [18:18] charl: tint2 still seems to be going. [18:33] crunchbang does indeed use openbox [18:33] i tried it a while back but i want to use my own custom setup based on ubuntu [18:33] confluency: it used to be the best one i could find, i probably will just stick to that then [18:34] I have no better suggestions; I just use the normal Fluxbox toolbar in Fluxbox. [18:36] hmmm, maybe i even try crunchbang again, just been looking at it [18:37] ah the latest version is built on top of debian 7 that was released the other day [18:37] i tried debian 7 actually, as with any debian version it's quite a step :) [18:54] http://i.imgur.com/5Mb531g.png [18:54] http://i.imgur.com/t4N9r3g.jpg [18:54] http://i.imgur.com/yvbemGW.jpg [18:55] bah sorry, wrong window :) === cocooncrash_ is now known as cocooncrash [20:20] night all, sleep tight [21:02] nn all