[05:57] <Squirm> morning
[07:00] <superfly> w00h00
[07:00] <superfly> carmageddon friday!
[07:23] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[07:25] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:32] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[07:32] <Kilos> aw havent greeted henkj for a while now , hi henkj 
[07:34] <morgs> hi
[07:36] <superfly> hi morgs
[07:50] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:50] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:57] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:58] <Vince-0> hai
[08:25] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:28] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:44] <Kilos-> oh my
[08:50] <Kilos-> hi acherv 
[08:50] <acherv> Kilos-, hi
[08:50] <acherv> lol
[08:51] <Kilos> my 8ta also starting to mess around
[08:52] <acherv> i think those guys have a pb
[08:53] <Kilos> whats that?
[08:53] <acherv> i said they have problem
[08:54] <Kilos> ah lol
[08:54] <acherv> because it's everyone who complain
[08:54] <Kilos> ya
[08:55] <Kilos> and they were so good 4 or 5 months ago
[08:56] <acherv> Kilos, i have a question 
[08:56] <Kilos> yes?
[08:56] <acherv> What is the difference between /mnt and /media?
[08:57] <Kilos> hmm.. media is normally cdroms and sticks i think
[08:57] <Kilos> hi Trixar_zb 
[08:58] <Kilos> lets hear what the clever guys say
[08:59] <Kilos> i always need help with the tecnical stuff
[08:59] <Kilos> technical
[08:59] <acherv> ok
[09:00] <Kilos> Vince-0, will know
[09:02] <Kilos> i remember my external i used at /media/storage
[09:07] <Kilos> while we waiting acherv what do you want to do
[09:08] <acherv> Kilos, just a question i am asking myself
[09:08] <Kilos> ah i thought it was something you wanted to do
[09:09] <acherv> not yet
[09:10] <Vince-0> heey
[09:11] <Vince-0> ubuntu usually uses /media/storage as auto mount
[09:11] <acherv> Vince-0, hi
[09:12] <Vince-0> hi
[09:13] <acherv> but in FHS, we have /mnt and /media
[09:14] <acherv> .
[09:14] <acherv> Vince-0,  are you there?
[09:15] <Kilos-> oh my
[09:15] <acherv> why we have both?
[09:15] <acherv> Kilos-, sorry
[09:16] <Kilos-> ive see /mnt used in a command to mount a drive or partition
[09:16] <acherv> yes
[09:16] <acherv> and also /media
[09:16] <Kilos-> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt i thought it was
[09:16] <Vince-0> what are you trying to mount?
[09:17] <acherv> Vince-0, nothing for a moment
[09:17] <acherv> just be curious
[09:17] <acherv> to see both
[09:17] <acherv> in old day, to mount we used /mnt
[09:18] <acherv> now we have both
[09:18] <Vince-0> doesn't really matter - ubuntu will use its own auto-mount procedure which uses /media I think
[09:22] <acherv> .
[09:22] <tonberryE352> as far as i know /mnt is for permanent mounts and /media is for non permanent things like flashdrives and removeable hdds
[09:23] <Kilos> ya the internal drives
[09:24] <Kilos> acherv, are you just starting to learn linux? i forget?
[09:24] <acherv> tonberryE352, i heard that but sounds like /mnt is useless
[09:25] <tonberryE352> i put a lot of drives in /mnt
[09:25] <acherv> Kilos,  we learn every day
[09:25] <tonberryE352> useful if you do server like things and want the drives to auto mount instead of mounting them by gui
[09:25] <Kilos> there is some good stuff one can download that teaches lots
[09:26] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[09:26] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[09:26] <Kilos> get that manual acherv. lotsa info in there
[09:28] <acherv> thx
[09:29] <Kilos> yw
[09:35]  * Kilos fones 8ta again
[09:52] <Kilos> eish the swines
[09:53] <Kilos> they opened a new case last time i phoned and without contacting me or anything some twit closed the case
[09:54] <Kilos> but now at least i have an email addy as well for them data guys 
[09:54] <Kilos> TM-SOC@telkom.co.za
[09:55] <acherv> lol
[09:55] <Kilos> acherv, call them on 081183 and complain
[09:56] <Kilos> if everyone keeps complaining then they might wake up
[09:56] <acherv> they told me last time it is because my area isnt cover
[09:57] <acherv> nonsense that answer
[09:57] <Kilos> Maaz, telkom mail is <reply> TM-SOC@telkom.co.za
[09:57] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[09:57] <Kilos> you gotta get through to the data okes and make them please explain
[09:58] <Kilos> as in how can a case be closed without doing anything
[09:58] <Kilos> grrr
[10:05] <acherv> Sorry, Ubuntu 13.04 has experienced an internal error.
[10:05] <acherv> message crash
[10:06] <Kilos> lol just a popup
[10:06] <Kilos> did you see the details
[10:06] <acherv> ya
[10:06] <Kilos> hi bomberman 
[10:06] <bomberman> hey Kilos!
[10:06] <acherv> it's about ryth...
[10:07] <Kilos> ryth?
[10:07] <Kilos> music?
[10:08] <acherv>  rhythmbox
[10:08] <acherv> yep
[10:08] <Kilos> install vlc for music and videos
[10:09] <bomberman> any Ubuntu evangelist in Cape Town wants to organize an event on 25th May? http://100in1day.co.za/ 
[10:10] <acherv> break time
[10:26] <magespawn> good day
[10:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:28] <magespawn> how are things today?
[10:28] <Kilos> ok just fighting telkom
[10:29] <Kilos> my connection has dropped 3 times today
[10:29] <magespawn> so nothing new then
[10:29] <Kilos> no man used to be slow but constant
[10:29] <Kilos> got a mail addy for them as well
[10:30] <Kilos> the case i opened last week has been closed with no contact with me or any feedback
[10:30] <Kilos> so now its going up to managerial level
[10:30] <Kilos> grrr
[10:31] <magespawn> that does happen, and not only with telkom
[10:31] <Kilos> unless they bin it as well
[10:32] <Kilos> ill keep mailing them till they fix it or offer to pay my voda airtime
[10:32] <Kilos> hehe
[10:33] <magespawn> now that would be cool and ironic
[10:33] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> saw a voda add last night on the idiot box
[10:35] <Kilos> they offering a 2g+2g but didnt see the cost
[10:37] <magespawn> day + night?
[10:38] <Kilos> ya i think so
[10:38] <Kilos> didnt see the whole add
[10:38] <magespawn> Kilos are you afrikaans or english?
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <Kilos> why you ask?
[10:38] <Kilos> english man
[10:39] <magespawn> idiot box i always took to be a english term
[10:39] <magespawn> but your afrikaans is good
[10:39] <Kilos> its actually slang for tv from the cb days
[10:39] <Kilos> i grew up in van der merwe land
[10:40] <magespawn> my mom used to use it all the time and she never was near cb ever.
[10:40] <Kilos> ya but maybe her parent did
[10:40] <Kilos> ?
[10:41] <Kilos> or friends
[10:41] <Kilos> good buddy time was long ago
[10:42] <magespawn> maybe, do not think so though, they were english english, not from sa at all
[10:43] <Kilos> i wonder if google will know
[10:44] <magespawn> ask
[10:44] <Kilos> Maaz, google the saying idiot box for tv
[10:44] <Maaz> Kilos: "The new, new TV golden age - CNN.com" http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/showbiz/golden-age-of-tv/index.html :: "Television no longer the idiot box | Information, Gadgets, Mobile ..." http://www.news.com.au/technology/television-no-longer-the-idiot-box/story-e6frfro0-1226628385361 :: "The Gmod Idiot Box - Television Tropes & Idioms"
[10:44] <Maaz> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGmodIdiotBox :: "The Nasty Patty / The Idiot Box - TV.com" http://www.tv…
[10:46] <magespawn> well there we go, on my phone at the moment, will click when back at the shop.
[10:46] <Kilos> lol
[10:46] <psyatw> hi magespawn
[10:47] <psyatw> I´m on pidgin now, much better and easier to join many channels than webchat
[10:47] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[10:47] <Kilos> psyatw, on windows?
[10:47] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:48] <psyatw> Kilos, yeah, so this is one of the best solutions for me
[10:48] <psyatw> hoi charl
[10:48] <Kilos> you can also get xchat for windows too
[10:48] <psyatw> I have installed irssi too, but I haven´t figured out how to configure it yet
[10:48] <Kilos> but pidgin is good if its working
[10:48] <Kilos> hehe i battled with irssi
[10:49] <psyatw> yeah
[10:49] <Kilos> you can use mirc on windows
[10:49] <magespawn> psyatw there is also a quassel version for windows, both complete and client
[10:50] <psyatw> I guess I could, but I prefer free software
[10:50] <psyatw> magespawn, I will look into that, thanks
[10:50] <psyatw> I need good language support too (Asian languages), that´s why I keep coming back to pidgin
[10:50] <Kilos> xchat was free
[10:51] <Kilos> Maaz, google free xchat for win7
[10:51] <Maaz> Kilos: "A. We ask you to evaluate the product for free for 30 days to ... - XChat" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Windows - How to get XChat for free! - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YgBkpZMT8 :: "Free XChat for Windows - SUSEUnbound"
[10:51] <Maaz> http://suseunbound.forum-free.ca/t255-free-xchat-for-windows :: "The Top 7 Best Free IRC Clients for W…
[10:52] <psyatw> btw, can you imagine that here in Poland you can get 50Mbit/s broadband internet for only 17.5 euros
[10:52] <psyatw> ?
[10:52] <Kilos> whew
[10:53] <psyatw> yeah, I was surprised by that too
[10:53] <psyatw> and my connection at my flat is more stable than it was even in the Netherlands
[10:53] <Kilos> good
[10:53] <magespawn> our government says anything more than 256kbps is broadband
[10:53] <psyatw> I am just not sure about their policies when it comes to downloading
[10:53] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <magespawn> nice psyatw
[10:54] <psyatw> haha
[10:54] <psyatw> yeah
[10:54] <psyatw> so I don´t actually miss anything from home, except for my family perhaps :)
[10:54] <magespawn> later all battery dying
[10:54] <psyatw> see you later magespawn
[10:54] <Kilos> k magespawn 
[11:17] <magespawn> hey all
[11:18] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[11:18] <psyatw> welcome back magespawn
[11:18] <magespawn> carmageddon for andriod promo in the play store, free for today only
[11:25] <Kilos> there ive mailed telkom as well
[11:26] <Kilos> i hate the "môre is nog n dag" attitude
[11:28] <magespawn> we have a similar saying in Hluhluwe, just without that same sense of urgency
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:32] <magespawn> brb pick up fish time
[11:32] <Kilos> k
[11:32] <charl> good afternoon all
[11:32] <charl> hi Kilos, psyatw 
[11:33] <charl> how's it going?
[11:33] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[11:33] <psyatw> I am also fine, thanks
[11:33] <charl> i'm good
[11:33] <charl> nice long weekend for me, from yesterday until sunday
[11:34] <charl> need to clean my apartment though, it's been getting dirty again
[11:34] <Kilos> thats nice
[11:34] <Kilos> hehe
[11:34] <charl> but it's nice to take a break, had a couple of busy months this year so far
[11:35] <charl> i finally upgraded my work pc to ubuntu 13.04, it turns out that vmware workstation 9.0.2 has no trouble with kernel 3.8 (for me)
[11:35] <Kilos> nice
[11:36] <charl> in unrelated news, i fully switched to using freetalk for xmpp/jabber now
[11:36] <charl> it's a really nice command-line xmpp client
[11:56] <Kilos> sigh no power on the 13th again
[11:57] <Kilos> 0800 to 1800
[12:26] <Squirm> afternoon
[12:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[12:37] <magespawn> hey all
[12:37] <Kilos> you back
[12:37] <Kilos> wb
[12:37] <Kilos> that was quick
[12:38] <Kilos> just finished watering my strawberries and other plants
[12:39] <magespawn> strawberries are nice to grow for decoration and fruit
[12:40] <Kilos> yeah
[12:40] <Kilos> women love eating them
[12:41] <magespawn> i do, and it is a lot nicer if there is a women involved
[12:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:43] <charl> :D
[12:43] <charl> chocolate covered strawberries
[12:43] <charl> with whipped cream
[12:43] <Kilos> hehe
[12:45] <magespawn> fresh stranberry daiquiris
[12:45] <magespawn> strawberry
[12:45] <Kilos> wassat daiquiris thing?
[12:46] <magespawn> a cocktail, i might have spelt it wrong
[12:47] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiquiri
[12:48] <charl> yuck, sugar in a cocktail drink
[12:48] <charl> they often throw sugar in bock beer too, not for me thank you
[12:49] <Kilos> hmm... methinks only good fruits in alcohol are marulas and yellow peaches
[12:49] <charl> when i used to live in africa i used to throw amarula in my coffee
[12:50] <magespawn> i used to serve a lot of them on ladies nights
[12:50] <Kilos> lol
[12:50] <charl> this stuff for those that don't know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarula
[12:50] <Kilos> amarula very lekker and yellow peach mampoer
[12:50] <charl> ladies nights.... :D
[12:51] <charl> oh, you mean at a bar?
[12:51] <charl> never had mampoer myself, afaik it's strong
[12:51] <charl> haha, when i googled for it i got an afrikaans wikipedia page, very nice http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mampoer
[12:52] <Kilos> hehe
[12:52] <magespawn> yes i worked for some time as a waiter/barman/manager of various restuarants 
[12:52] <Kilos> the after taste of the yellow peaches is the best part
[12:53] <charl> all this talk of peaches, strawberries and ladies... let's move on to a different topic :)
[12:54] <Kilos> hehe
[13:40] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[13:47] <georgelappies> hi Kilos how are you?
[13:47] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:02] <charl> psyatw: i see you moved to poland :)
[14:02] <charl> from your host that is
[14:02] <psyatw> charl, yes, I did :)
[14:02] <charl> hoe bevalt het?
[14:02] <psyatw> I left last Sunday and arrived on Monday
[14:02] <psyatw> het bevalt me erg goed eigenlijk
[14:02] <charl> nice :)
[14:03] <psyatw> alles is hier vrij goed geregeld en het ziet er ook vrij modern uit allemaal :)
[14:03] <charl> that's interesting, i have never been to poland and i always hear it's such a poor country
[14:03] <charl> but what you hear and how it is is always two different things
[14:03] <charl> are always
[14:04] <psyatw> it may be a poor country, but you have the newest shopping malls and all the latest stuff here
[14:05] <charl> amazing
[14:05] <charl> not what i would have expected
[14:05] <charl> sounds nice
[14:05] <psyatw> in some respect Western Europe may still be ahead, but I don´t perceive the differences to even be that big
[14:05] <charl> how's the internet access
[14:05] <psyatw> and as my uncle has told me before and I´m witnessing myself now, Poland may pass the Netherlands by in a number of years
[14:06] <psyatw> it´s also great, I should say
[14:06] <psyatw> you can get a 50 Mbit/s connection for about 17,5 euros
[14:06] <charl> wow, that's not bad
[14:06] <georgelappies> Kilos: good thanks :)
[14:06] <charl> i pay a lot more than that
[14:06] <psyatw> not to mention, it´s very stable too
[14:06] <psyatw> yeah
[14:06] <charl> not that i can say i ever have problems with my cable but i feel ziggo is way too expensive
[14:07] <charl> i pay 50+ euro per month for a stupid 60mbit connection
[14:07] <charl> has not kept up with the times
[14:08] <charl> and i live in like one of the *very* few cities in NL that does not have FTTH
[14:08] <psyatw> yeah
[14:08] <charl> so i am stuck on eurodoxis
[14:08] <psyatw> you can even get 250 Mbit/s connections here
[14:09] <charl> yeah i think NL with all it's wealth is going to lose ground to the "upcoming" countries
[14:09] <charl> living is too expensive, tax is high, etc
[14:10] <psyatw> but the thing is that they could have prevented all of this
[14:10] <charl> in germany the salaries seem to be higher and the cost of living lower
[14:10] <psyatw> I don´t really plan to go back to the Netherlands
[14:10] <charl> yeah it's all of these stupid politics, people have just started living off the land
[14:10] <psyatw> yeah, even germany is doing things better
[14:10] <charl> off the fat of the land i mean
[14:11] <charl> welfare state
[14:11] <charl> i have to be honest i don't know if i want to continue living in the netherlands for the next 10 years
[14:11] <charl> i am strongly considering my opportunities in germany
[14:11] <charl> i just need to get my german up to scratch, quite frankly it's "echt sheisse" :)
[14:12] <psyatw> I sure as hell didn´t want to, so I took my stuff and left :P
[14:12] <Symmetria> heh check this out
[14:12] <Symmetria> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964056_10151555491905528_618243496_o.jpg
[14:12] <Symmetria> http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/919027_10151555492025528_1319082040_o.jpg
[14:12] <charl> what the heck is that supposed to be
[14:12] <Symmetria> heh, I took one of those old hooves my dog had been chewing and stuck it under an extreme macro lens 
[14:13] <psyatw> I can only see things changing in 10 years and frankly at my age I don´t have the time to wait for that anymore
[14:13] <Symmetria> charl, its an EXTREMELY high powerful magnification lens 
[14:13] <charl> ah i see
[14:13] <charl> it looks like some hair in a mess :)
[14:14] <Symmetria> heh, its fascinating though, but god that lens is hard to use
[14:15] <Symmetria> its a no-focus lens, meaning the entire focus is done by distance from the object
[14:15] <Symmetria> and if you dont use a remote trigger on the camera, you aint gonna get anything
[14:16] <psyatw> charl, you could talk to me if you want to, my German is far from scheisse :)
[14:16] <charl> i feel ashamed of my german for someone who lives a few KM (literally like 15KM from my apartment) from germany
[14:17] <charl> anycase, i have to be off, bbl
[14:18] <psyatw> see you later charl
[14:18] <magespawn> if you pay 50 euro for 60 mbit line that is about the same we pay in sa for a 1mbit line with an uncapped account (not unshaped)
[14:18] <psyatw> wow
[14:19] <psyatw> that sounds like 2001 for us
[14:20] <magespawn> yup and vdsl 40mbit uncapped at about R10 699.00 per month\
[14:20] <magespawn> that is if you can get it
[14:21] <magespawn> i saw some prices from canada 175mbps in and out and 300gb usage for about R1000.00 per month 
[14:21] <magespawn> most sa links out are half or less of the incoming speeds
[14:22] <magespawn> so 1mbit in is 512 out, and most uncapped is shaped
[14:23] <Squirm> magespawn: look at google isp in the US
[14:24] <Squirm> actually, China just got 2Gbps down and 1Gbps up
[14:24] <Squirm> for like R400 or something crazy
[14:25] <Squirm> Japan*
[14:25] <Squirm> When hitched to a two-year contract, web surfers will be set back 4,980 yen ($51) per month and pony up a required 52,500 yen (roughly $540) installation fee, which is currently being waived for folks who apply online.
[14:25] <Squirm> Maaz: 51usd to zar
[14:25] <Maaz> Squirm: *blink*
[14:25] <Squirm> Maaz: google 51usd to zar
[14:25] <Maaz> Squirm: "Convert 51 US Dollar to Euro - 51 USD to EUR Exchange Rates" http://www.currency-converter-calculator.com/convert/USD/EUR/51 :: "51(USD) - US Dollar Exchange Rates" http://usd.fx-exchange.com/aud/51-exchange-rates.html :: "XE: (USD/AUD) US Dollar to Australian Dollar Rate" http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=AUD :: "TRY to USD
[14:25] <Maaz> - Currency Converter" http://themoneyconverter.com/TRY/USD.aspx :: "Currency Calculator …
[14:25] <Squirm> :/
[14:25] <Squirm> R464
[14:37] <magespawn> home time later all
[16:42] <charl> anyone here using openbox as a DE?
[16:43] <charl> i'm looking for recommendations on a good taskbar-like panel
[16:43] <charl> there were a couple i used to use but that was years ago, the one was tint2 but the others i forgot the name
[17:29] <trender> i use openbox for packing stuff :)
[17:29] <trender> right before i stick it in the garage
[17:30] <Kilos> i think the monkey does charl 
[17:30] <trender> yea the monkey uses openbox for his bannanas
[17:31] <Kilos> no man on crunchbang linux
[17:31] <trender> crunchbang
[17:31] <trender> sounds horrible man
[17:31] <Kilos> thats another linux os
[17:32] <trender> and what about mint is that also linux ?
[17:32] <Kilos> ya
[18:18] <confluency> charl: tint2 still seems to be going.
[18:33] <charl> crunchbang does indeed use openbox
[18:33] <charl> i tried it a while back but i want to use my own custom setup based on ubuntu
[18:33] <charl> confluency: it used to be the best one i could find, i probably will just stick to that then
[18:34] <confluency> I have no better suggestions; I just use the normal Fluxbox toolbar in Fluxbox.
[18:36] <charl> hmmm, maybe i even try crunchbang again, just been looking at it
[18:37] <charl> ah the latest version is built on top of debian 7 that was released the other day
[18:37] <charl> i tried debian 7 actually, as with any debian version it's quite a step :)
[18:54] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/5Mb531g.png
[18:54] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/t4N9r3g.jpg
[18:54] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/yvbemGW.jpg
[18:55] <charl> bah sorry, wrong window :)
[20:20] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:02] <charl> nn all