[02:05] <ahoneybun_> Riddelll: 
[05:21] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon. Is KDE SC 4.10.3 in raring? (since I saw a number of build failure mails in my inbox)
[06:27] <tsimpson> !info kde-runtime raring
[09:18] <yofel> !testers | 4.10.3 is done in NINJAS for RARING
[09:19] <soee> got it
[09:19] <yofel> I'll do the backports once someone says that it works
[09:20] <soee> yofel, need ninjas ppa - dont have here on my laptop
[09:20] <yofel> soee: pm
[09:22] <soee> upgrading
[09:22] <Riddelll> yofel: does it have the patch for http security and (I don't know if there is one yet) for the plasma crash?
[09:22] <yofel> it has both
[09:24] <soee> wallpapers package should be optional :/
[09:24] <soee> why downloading always ~ 90mb
[09:24] <soee> only for the same wallpapers
[09:25] <yofel> uh, I think some of the translations changed
[09:25] <yofel> and we sadly don't have debdiffs yet :/
[09:25]  * yofel goes to fetch some breakfast
[10:01] <soee> yofel, 
[10:01] <yofel> yes?
[10:01] <soee> upgrade ok
[10:01] <yofel> any issues after that?
[10:02] <soee> nope, now errors while upgrading and now im after reboot
[10:02] <soee> all fine
[10:02] <soee> *no errors
[10:02] <yofel> ok
[10:02]  * yofel goes backporting
[10:03] <Riddell> yofel: working good here
[10:03] <Riddell> anything I should be testing for?
[10:03] <Riddell> plasma doesn't crash if I close things
[10:04] <yofel> well, that's already a good thing
[10:06] <yofel> hm...
[10:07] <yofel> Mamarok: does the kde-quality team have some list of test cases for regression testing?
[10:21] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: 100% -> all items ticked
[10:26] <Mamarok> yofel: did you check the wiki?
[10:33] <yofel> Mamarok: ok, that seems to have improved since I last looked at it which was quite a while ago
[10:33] <yofel> or maybe I just got lost last time
[10:34] <Mamarok> well, we also rely on what the projects communicate to test
[10:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319428 now CVE-2013-2074
[10:53] <Riddell> says debian bugs
[10:55] <shadeslayer> ACK
[11:25] <Riddell> yofel: kde-runtime update done
[11:25] <yofel> is that supposed to prevent having to open kwallet for every application?
[11:25] <Riddell> yeah, it's just a config option so doesn't do anything to us unless we turn it on
[11:26] <yofel> yay
[11:29] <starbuck1> yay!
[11:31] <Riddell> yofel: going to copy it over to kubuntu-ppa/updates now?
[11:33] <yofel> Riddell: well, I wanted to do the backports and release it as a batch, but I can copy raring now if you want. It is done after all
[11:33] <yofel> I have l10n done too
[11:33] <yofel> the announcement should probably wait until everything is done (unless you want to do one only for raring)
[11:34]  * yofel copies
[11:38] <yofel> Riddell: published
[11:43] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[11:43] <Riddell> starbuck1: 4.10.3 in raring updates PPA if you want to try it out https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=raring
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/05/10/ubuntu-is-community
[11:46] <Riddell> mck182: Ludovico Einaudi
[11:52] <Riddell> mck182: http://gallus.local/Music/ludovico-einaudi/
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://lwn.net/Articles/550032/
[11:54] <yofel> nice article from bkrensa
[12:04] <shadeslayer> indeed
[12:52] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: ticked?
[13:04] <Mamarok> which is the default gcc version in Precise?
[13:05] <Mamarok> 4.5 or 4.6?
[13:05] <yofel> 4.6
[13:06] <Mamarok> cool, I am just exploring the C++11 support in current distros
[13:06] <Mamarok> we would love to use the la,bda functions in Amarok
[13:07] <Mamarok> lambda*
[13:08] <yofel> I have a vague recollection of kde-devel discussing c++11 feature detection in cmake a while ago
[13:08] <yofel> *discussing
[13:19] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: your 14?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Uh huh
[13:28] <ahoneybun> just saying I saw you on some rss
[13:29] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Heh, Nicholas Skaggs' the Orange Notebook?
[13:29] <ahoneybun> yea 
[13:44] <BluesKaj_> hey folks
[13:45] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj_: hey
[13:46] <BluesKaj_> hi ahoneybun 
[13:46] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj_: whats up
[13:46] <BluesKaj_> ahoneybun, , morning coffee 
[13:47] <ahoneybun> cool
[13:47] <BluesKaj_> you?
[13:48] <ahoneybun> just listening to spotify
[13:50] <BluesKaj_> oh yeah it's stateside now , not available in Canada ...I could use a vpn , but there's enough music out there and I have plenty on HDDs
[13:53] <BluesKaj_> odd that aussies have and we don't ., smaller marker etc
[13:53] <BluesKaj_> market
[13:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: listen to Ludovico Einaudi, it's the best hacking music we have decided, especially with afiestas_'s bass
[13:59] <ahoneybun> Riddell: artist?
[13:59] <Riddell> yep, he's a pianist
[13:59] <ahoneybun> I see
[14:03] <ahoneybun> I fixed up the trello Riddell
[14:05] <Riddell> looking good ahoneybun 
[14:05] <ahoneybun> thanks
[14:05] <ahoneybun> just need to have a % on the checklist somehow
[14:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun: isn't that added if you add checklist items?
[14:07] <ahoneybun> I added themm
[14:12] <ahoneybun> what do I put for firewall info in the wiki
[14:12] <Riddell> "you don't need a firewall"
[14:13] <Riddell> kubuntu is secure by default
[14:13] <Riddell> actually I did get a virus once, but as long as you don't make a user account test with password test you'll be safe
[14:13] <ahoneybun> oh so don't even put anything about that in it?
[14:15] <Riddell> my advise would be to put in a simple explanation of why you don't need it
[14:15] <Riddell> and one for why you don't need a virus checker
[14:16] <ahoneybun> ok
[14:21] <apachelogger> maybe we should include a ufw GUI just to be safe?
[14:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: if you want to write one go ahead
[14:21] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[14:21] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I am not familiar with that
[14:22] <Riddell> wait, bad tab completion
[14:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you want to write one go ahead
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789 ....
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gufw_10.04.4.png
[14:23] <ahoneybun> the changelog says they just got it to work with 13.04
[14:24] <ahoneybun> 12.04
[14:24] <Riddell> looks old
[14:24] <ahoneybun> yea
[14:35] <yofel> brrrrr
[14:35] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/oxygen-icon-theme_4%3a4.10.3+dfsg-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[14:35] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/plasmagik.png', which is also in package plasmate-data 1.0-0ubuntu1
[14:37] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:37] <shadeslayer> upgrade went fine for me
[14:37] <yofel> well, do you have plasmate installed?
[14:38] <Riddell> grr
[14:38]  * yofel wonders whether oxygen-icons was even branched
[14:38] <yofel> if not I'll just delete .3
[14:38] <shadeslayer> aha, yes  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/plasmagik.png', which is also in package oxygen-icon-theme 4:4.10.3+dfsg-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1
[14:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what backup program do you think is good?
[14:40] <Riddell> also somewhere without a good answer
[14:40] <Riddell> these days something to sync to a cloud would be good but I don't know if kde has such a thing
[14:40]  * yofel doesn't know much about backup programs
[14:40] <yofel> I use rsync or rdiff-backup depending on the situation
[14:41] <yofel> that's all CLI though
[14:41] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yea I just use rsync as well
[14:41] <Riddell> yep I do rsync to my local big disk computer
[14:41] <Riddell> but I'd like to sync it properly to a cloud with proper revert snapshot possiblity
[14:41] <Riddell> which ubuntu unity has something for that
[14:41] <ahoneybun> I use a bash script that I found and edited to my needs, makes backups of what I want
[14:42]  * yofel wonders when btrfs will reach the point where it's recommendable
[14:42] <Riddell> deja-dup I think
[14:42] <ahoneybun> I like btrfs for the snapshot stuff
[14:42] <yofel> that has btrfs-send/-recive for snapshots
[14:42] <Riddell> yofel: not yet according to distrowatch
[14:43]  * ahoneybun wonders about kbackup http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44998
[14:43] <yofel> I know, I'm on the linux-btrfs ML, plenty of issues and not-implemented stuff :S
[14:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks faffy
[14:44]  * ahoneybun should make a backup now when he's thinking about it, with all the work on Kubuntu Docs he has done
[14:44] <Riddell> real men don't back up, real men upload to the internet and let the world mirror
[14:45] <Riddell> (C) Linus Torvals 1995
[14:45] <ahoneybun> oh well idk I want to know I have my data
[14:45] <ahoneybun> lol
[14:45] <yofel> hehe
[14:48] <yofel> *BLINK*
[14:48] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/741758
[14:48] <yofel> I'm not blind for not seeing plasmagik.png in there, right?
[14:48] <ahoneybun> Riddell: real man make backups to their raspberrypi file servers in their room ;)
[14:49] <yofel> and according to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.10/oxygen-icons/16x16/apps/ that file has been there for 4 months now
[14:50] <ahoneybun> Riddell: should I recommand kbackup then?
[14:50] <yofel> It supports any OS supported tape drive
[14:50] <yofel> lol
[14:51] <yofel> first time I see that as the first thing in the support advertisement ^^
[14:53] <Riddell> ahoneybun: if you want to you'd need to try it and confirm it works well
[14:53] <ahoneybun> true
[14:56] <ahoneybun> lots of files
[14:58] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do you make a checklist marked as done
[14:59] <yofel> ahoneybun: check each item?
[14:59] <ahoneybun> yofel: yea like I'm about done with importing the security.xml
[15:00] <yofel> ahoneybun: see what I just did
[15:00] <yofel> you had a checklist with any list items
[15:00] <yofel> *without
[15:00] <yofel> I think you wanted something different...
[15:01] <yofel> one import checklist with all xml files as items?
[15:01] <ahoneybun> how did you..
[15:01] <yofel> ahoneybun: see those "Add item" links in grey below each list?
[15:01] <ahoneybun> yea
[15:01] <yofel> that's how you add items to a list that you can mark as done
[15:02] <yofel> once all those items are checked you'll be at 100%
[15:02] <yofel> you should probably convert that into one list unless you have multiple steps for every file
[15:03] <ahoneybun> oh got it bbl
[15:08] <yofel> yep, now it looks better :)
[15:48] <apachelogger> yofel: PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
[15:51] <apachelogger> YOFEL :(
[15:52] <apachelogger> yofel: I am crafting daily source package build tooling to work around launchpad being crap and I have a decision for you to make...
[15:53] <apachelogger> do you want to keep using one branch per packaging
[15:53] <apachelogger> or put all the packaging in one big branch
[15:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1178995] Bad PAM handling - no fingerprint support for KDE (lock screen, login lightdm screen) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178995 (by Bart)
[16:10] <apachelogger> afiestas_: community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[16:23] <ahoneybun> yofel: I know right!
[16:28] <ahoneybun> I think it looks great
[16:40] <yofel> apachelogger: you do realize that if you stuff everything into one branch and change something there it will trigger builds for *everything*
[16:42] <apachelogger> yofel: lol? 
[16:42] <apachelogger> who am I? a launchpad dev?
[16:42] <yofel> apachelogger: well, if that branch is linked in all the recipes using nest-part, that will happen
[16:42] <yofel> that's why our neon's shared stuff is in a seperate package not linked in the recipes
[16:43] <yofel> s/our //
[16:43] <kubotu> yofel meant: "that's why neon's shared stuff is in a seperate package not linked in the recipes"
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am not sure you understand
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am rewriting the entire recipe stuff
[16:43] <apachelogger> so we define the behavior
[16:43] <yofel> oh, without using launchpad?
[16:43] <yofel> hm...
[16:43] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:43] <apachelogger> launchpad cannot be used for kde frameworks 5
[16:43] <apachelogger> ever
[16:44] <apachelogger> qt repos had submodules 
[16:44] <yofel> that, I already realized...
[16:45] <yofel> apachelogger: I'll think about that and come back to you later
[16:45] <apachelogger> okey
[16:46]  * ahoneybun is interested
[16:51] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan ^ if you want to give some input too
[16:58] <yofel> symlink_duplicates.sh from oxygen-icons does something weird in 4.10.3... http://paste.kde.org/741776 and http://paste.kde.org/741782 should match, but don't
[17:02] <Riddell> tools-wizard.png looks wrong
[17:03] <ahoneybun> Riddell: now look at the trello page
[17:06] <Riddell> ahoneybun: making progress!
[17:07] <ahoneybun> yep
[17:08] <ahoneybun> I wonder where valorie is
[17:09] <yofel> Riddell: not really, from a quick look fdupes is right and they are the same thing
[17:09] <Riddell> spooky
[17:10] <yofel> it's just that the symlinking is different and that seems to mess with another linking script embedded in rules
[17:11] <yofel> what was /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ for again?
[17:12] <Riddell> it's for icons not in an icon theme
[17:12] <Riddell> if you search for KIcon("foo") it'll look in oxygen then hicolour to find it
[17:13] <yofel> then why do we symlink oxygen icons into hicolor o.O? (or rather debian does it)
[17:13] <yofel> ln -s ../../../oxygen/$${size}x$${size}/apps/$${icon}.png debian/$${package}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/$${size}x$${size}/apps;
[17:14] <yofel> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons/view/head:/debian/rules
[17:14] <yofel> rather
[17:15] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm thinking it would look better with bullets listing the directory then pictures
[17:19] <Riddell> yofel: app icons are needed in hicolour
[17:19] <Riddell> yofel: so that non-KDE desktops can find it, they won't know anything about oxygen
[17:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what would?
[17:20] <ahoneybun> the Linux Basics, the way the file system is layed out in /
[17:21] <yofel> Riddell: ah ok, then I'll do this the quick fix way and just exclude plasmagik from the linking as that's in plasmate-data
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: me and apachelogger have been talking in real life :P
[17:43] <yofel> consider yourself unpinged then :P
[17:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: where is that email?
[21:01] <valorie> oops, what email?
[21:35] <valorie> ahoneybun: by which I mean, which email address shall I send it to?
[21:37] <yofel> apachelogger_: I can't think of any reason except recipe-atomity to keep the packaging branches seperate for daily builds. As long as you can trivially generate packages from subfolders of a branch keeping everything together would be easiest