=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:05] Riddelll: === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest41838 [05:21] Good afternoon. Is KDE SC 4.10.3 in raring? (since I saw a number of build failure mails in my inbox) === Guest41838 is now known as Tm_Tr [06:27] !info kde-runtime raring [06:27] kde-runtime (source: kde-runtime): runtime components from the official KDE release. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 (raring), package size 1800 kB, installed size 8462 kB [09:18] !testers | 4.10.3 is done in NINJAS for RARING [09:18] 4.10.3 is done in NINJAS for RARING: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [09:19] got it [09:19] I'll do the backports once someone says that it works [09:20] yofel, need ninjas ppa - dont have here on my laptop [09:20] soee: pm [09:22] upgrading [09:22] yofel: does it have the patch for http security and (I don't know if there is one yet) for the plasma crash? === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [09:22] it has both [09:24] wallpapers package should be optional :/ [09:24] why downloading always ~ 90mb [09:24] only for the same wallpapers [09:25] uh, I think some of the translations changed [09:25] and we sadly don't have debdiffs yet :/ [09:25] * yofel goes to fetch some breakfast [10:01] yofel, [10:01] yes? [10:01] upgrade ok [10:01] any issues after that? [10:02] nope, now errors while upgrading and now im after reboot [10:02] all fine [10:02] *no errors [10:02] ok [10:02] * yofel goes backporting [10:03] yofel: working good here [10:03] anything I should be testing for? [10:03] plasma doesn't crash if I close things [10:04] well, that's already a good thing [10:06] hm... [10:07] Mamarok: does the kde-quality team have some list of test cases for regression testing? [10:21] ahoneybun: 100% -> all items ticked [10:26] yofel: did you check the wiki? [10:33] Mamarok: ok, that seems to have improved since I last looked at it which was quite a while ago [10:33] or maybe I just got lost last time [10:34] well, we also rely on what the projects communicate to test [10:53] shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319428 now CVE-2013-2074 [10:53] KDE bug 319428 in http "noticifations about errors contain password" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [10:53] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-2074) [10:53] says debian bugs [10:55] ACK [11:25] yofel: kde-runtime update done [11:25] is that supposed to prevent having to open kwallet for every application? [11:25] yeah, it's just a config option so doesn't do anything to us unless we turn it on [11:26] yay [11:29] yay! [11:31] yofel: going to copy it over to kubuntu-ppa/updates now? [11:33] Riddell: well, I wanted to do the backports and release it as a batch, but I can copy raring now if you want. It is done after all [11:33] I have l10n done too [11:33] the announcement should probably wait until everything is done (unless you want to do one only for raring) [11:34] * yofel copies [11:38] Riddell: published [11:43] lovely thanks [11:43] starbuck1: 4.10.3 in raring updates PPA if you want to try it out https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=raring === Squt is now known as Sput [11:43] Riddell: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/05/10/ubuntu-is-community [11:46] mck182: Ludovico Einaudi [11:52] mck182: http://gallus.local/Music/ludovico-einaudi/ [11:53] Riddell: https://lwn.net/Articles/550032/ [11:54] nice article from bkrensa [12:04] indeed [12:52] apachelogger: ticked? [13:04] which is the default gcc version in Precise? [13:05] 4.5 or 4.6? [13:05] 4.6 [13:06] cool, I am just exploring the C++11 support in current distros [13:06] we would love to use the la,bda functions in Amarok [13:07] lambda* [13:08] I have a vague recollection of kde-devel discussing c++11 feature detection in cmake a while ago [13:08] *discussing [13:19] smartboyhw: your 14? [13:28] ahoneybun: Uh huh [13:28] just saying I saw you on some rss [13:29] ahoneybun: Heh, Nicholas Skaggs' the Orange Notebook? [13:29] yea [13:44] hey folks [13:45] BluesKaj_: hey [13:46] hi ahoneybun [13:46] BluesKaj_: whats up [13:46] ahoneybun, , morning coffee [13:47] cool [13:47] you? [13:48] just listening to spotify [13:50] oh yeah it's stateside now , not available in Canada ...I could use a vpn , but there's enough music out there and I have plenty on HDDs [13:53] odd that aussies have and we don't ., smaller marker etc [13:53] market [13:58] ahoneybun: listen to Ludovico Einaudi, it's the best hacking music we have decided, especially with afiestas_'s bass [13:59] Riddell: artist? [13:59] yep, he's a pianist [13:59] I see [14:03] I fixed up the trello Riddell [14:05] looking good ahoneybun [14:05] thanks [14:05] just need to have a % on the checklist somehow [14:07] ahoneybun: isn't that added if you add checklist items? [14:07] I added themm [14:12] what do I put for firewall info in the wiki [14:12] "you don't need a firewall" [14:13] kubuntu is secure by default [14:13] actually I did get a virus once, but as long as you don't make a user account test with password test you'll be safe [14:13] oh so don't even put anything about that in it? [14:15] my advise would be to put in a simple explanation of why you don't need it [14:15] and one for why you don't need a virus checker [14:16] ok [14:21] maybe we should include a ufw GUI just to be safe? [14:21] ahoneybun: if you want to write one go ahead [14:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [14:21] Riddell: I am not familiar with that [14:22] wait, bad tab completion [14:22] apachelogger: if you want to write one go ahead [14:22] Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789 .... [14:23] Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gufw_10.04.4.png [14:23] the changelog says they just got it to work with 13.04 [14:24] 12.04 [14:24] looks old [14:24] yea [14:35] brrrrr [14:35] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/oxygen-icon-theme_4%3a4.10.3+dfsg-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): [14:35] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/plasmagik.png', which is also in package plasmate-data 1.0-0ubuntu1 [14:37] 0.o [14:37] upgrade went fine for me [14:37] well, do you have plasmate installed? [14:38] grr [14:38] * yofel wonders whether oxygen-icons was even branched [14:38] if not I'll just delete .3 [14:38] aha, yes trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/plasmagik.png', which is also in package oxygen-icon-theme 4:4.10.3+dfsg-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 [14:39] Riddell: what backup program do you think is good? [14:40] also somewhere without a good answer [14:40] these days something to sync to a cloud would be good but I don't know if kde has such a thing [14:40] * yofel doesn't know much about backup programs [14:40] I use rsync or rdiff-backup depending on the situation [14:41] that's all CLI though [14:41] Riddell: yea I just use rsync as well [14:41] yep I do rsync to my local big disk computer [14:41] but I'd like to sync it properly to a cloud with proper revert snapshot possiblity [14:41] which ubuntu unity has something for that [14:41] I use a bash script that I found and edited to my needs, makes backups of what I want [14:42] * yofel wonders when btrfs will reach the point where it's recommendable [14:42] deja-dup I think [14:42] I like btrfs for the snapshot stuff [14:42] that has btrfs-send/-recive for snapshots [14:42] yofel: not yet according to distrowatch [14:43] * ahoneybun wonders about kbackup http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44998 [14:43] I know, I'm on the linux-btrfs ML, plenty of issues and not-implemented stuff :S [14:44] ahoneybun: looks faffy [14:44] * ahoneybun should make a backup now when he's thinking about it, with all the work on Kubuntu Docs he has done [14:44] real men don't back up, real men upload to the internet and let the world mirror [14:45] (C) Linus Torvals 1995 [14:45] oh well idk I want to know I have my data [14:45] lol [14:45] hehe === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj [14:48] *BLINK* [14:48] http://paste.kde.org/741758 [14:48] I'm not blind for not seeing plasmagik.png in there, right? [14:48] Riddell: real man make backups to their raspberrypi file servers in their room ;) [14:49] and according to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.10/oxygen-icons/16x16/apps/ that file has been there for 4 months now [14:50] Riddell: should I recommand kbackup then? [14:50] It supports any OS supported tape drive [14:50] lol [14:51] first time I see that as the first thing in the support advertisement ^^ [14:53] ahoneybun: if you want to you'd need to try it and confirm it works well [14:53] true [14:56] lots of files [14:58] Riddell: how do you make a checklist marked as done [14:59] ahoneybun: check each item? [14:59] yofel: yea like I'm about done with importing the security.xml [15:00] ahoneybun: see what I just did [15:00] you had a checklist with any list items [15:00] *without [15:00] I think you wanted something different... [15:01] one import checklist with all xml files as items? [15:01] how did you.. [15:01] ahoneybun: see those "Add item" links in grey below each list? [15:01] yea [15:01] that's how you add items to a list that you can mark as done [15:02] once all those items are checked you'll be at 100% [15:02] you should probably convert that into one list unless you have multiple steps for every file [15:03] oh got it bbl [15:08] yep, now it looks better :) === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [15:48] yofel: PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING [15:51] YOFEL :( [15:52] yofel: I am crafting daily source package build tooling to work around launchpad being crap and I have a decision for you to make... [15:53] do you want to keep using one branch per packaging [15:53] or put all the packaging in one big branch [15:54] ::workspace-bugs:: [1178995] Bad PAM handling - no fingerprint support for KDE (lock screen, login lightdm screen) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1178995 (by Bart) [16:10] afiestas_: community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Kubuntu Council election: Voting in progress | Kubuntu UDS meeting http://doodle.com/uatie4hpfyt84utq [16:23] yofel: I know right! [16:28] I think it looks great === card.freenode.net changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Kubuntu Council election: Voting in progress [16:40] apachelogger: you do realize that if you stuff everything into one branch and change something there it will trigger builds for *everything* [16:42] yofel: lol? [16:42] who am I? a launchpad dev? [16:42] apachelogger: well, if that branch is linked in all the recipes using nest-part, that will happen [16:42] that's why our neon's shared stuff is in a seperate package not linked in the recipes [16:43] s/our // [16:43] yofel meant: "that's why neon's shared stuff is in a seperate package not linked in the recipes" [16:43] I am not sure you understand [16:43] I am rewriting the entire recipe stuff [16:43] so we define the behavior [16:43] oh, without using launchpad? [16:43] hm... [16:43] yeah [16:43] launchpad cannot be used for kde frameworks 5 [16:43] ever [16:44] qt repos had submodules [16:44] that, I already realized... [16:45] apachelogger: I'll think about that and come back to you later [16:45] okey [16:46] * ahoneybun is interested === sreich2 is now known as sreich [16:51] shadeslayer, Quintasan ^ if you want to give some input too [16:58] symlink_duplicates.sh from oxygen-icons does something weird in 4.10.3... http://paste.kde.org/741776 and http://paste.kde.org/741782 should match, but don't [17:02] tools-wizard.png looks wrong [17:03] Riddell: now look at the trello page [17:06] ahoneybun: making progress! [17:07] yep === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [17:08] I wonder where valorie is [17:09] Riddell: not really, from a quick look fdupes is right and they are the same thing [17:09] spooky [17:10] it's just that the symlinking is different and that seems to mess with another linking script embedded in rules [17:11] what was /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ for again? [17:12] it's for icons not in an icon theme [17:12] if you search for KIcon("foo") it'll look in oxygen then hicolour to find it [17:13] then why do we symlink oxygen icons into hicolor o.O? (or rather debian does it) [17:13] ln -s ../../../oxygen/$${size}x$${size}/apps/$${icon}.png debian/$${package}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/$${size}x$${size}/apps; [17:14] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons/view/head:/debian/rules [17:14] rather [17:15] Riddell: I'm thinking it would look better with bullets listing the directory then pictures [17:19] yofel: app icons are needed in hicolour [17:19] yofel: so that non-KDE desktops can find it, they won't know anything about oxygen [17:20] ahoneybun: what would? [17:20] the Linux Basics, the way the file system is layed out in / [17:21] Riddell: ah ok, then I'll do this the quick fix way and just exclude plasmagik from the linking as that's in plasmate-data [17:43] yofel: me and apachelogger have been talking in real life :P [17:43] consider yourself unpinged then :P [17:53] valorie: where is that email? === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === yofel is now known as Guest92253 === shadeslayer_ is now known as Guest46636 === Guest46636 is now known as shadeslayer === Guest92253 is now known as yofel_ === ovidiu-f- is now known as ovidiu-florin [21:01] oops, what email? === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [21:35] ahoneybun: by which I mean, which email address shall I send it to? [21:37] apachelogger_: I can't think of any reason except recipe-atomity to keep the packaging branches seperate for daily builds. 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