[02:24] <brianb>  
[08:00] <popey> morning
[08:23] <dwatkins> allo allo
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:33] <dwatkins> o/
[08:33] <dwatkins> yo sup and other colloqualisms
[08:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> F1 (Practice 3) in 5
[08:56] <bigcalm> So. My microserver already has a RAID1 on 2 500GB drives. I've just received 2 2TB drives that I need to add in. Can I set up a 2nd RAID1 or is that silly?
[09:00] <dwatkins> bigcalm: neat, what kind of case are you using for the machine?
[09:00] <bigcalm> dwatkins: HP microserver
[09:01] <bigcalm> I think mine is the 40L. It's been a while so I can't remember
[09:11] <jacobw> bigcalm: You can just make a new unit of the 2 new disks in RAID1
[09:25] <bigcalm> jacobw: aha, thank you. How? ;)
[09:28] <bigcalm> Humm, possibly http://askubuntu.com/questions/223194/setup-of-two-additional-ssd-drives-in-raid-1 ?
[09:29] <jacobw> bigcalm: Are you using software RAID or a physical controller?
[09:29] <bigcalm> jacobw: software raid
[09:29] <bigcalm> jacobw: I followed a tutorial for setting up 12.04 on a fresh machine and using RAID1. But that was some time ago :)
[09:30] <bigcalm> It's using madam
[09:30] <bigcalm> mdadm even
[09:30] <DJones> popey: After last nights 75Gb .thunderbird folder, compacting twice and deleting sent items/trash that was no longer needed, the size has dropped to 540Mb
[09:31] <bigcalm> DJones: I stopped subscribing to folders that are no longer relevant. That and compacting makes a big difference. I couldn't bring myself to delete any email
[09:31] <bigcalm> Esp not Sent
[09:32] <popey> DJones: haha!
[09:32] <jacobw> That answer has everything you need to know, use mdadm to create a device at /dev/mdX then create a filesystem and start using it
[09:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:32] <bigcalm> jacobw: I thought it looked right. Thanks for the clarification :)
[09:32] <bigcalm> Morning brobostigon
[09:33] <DJones> bigcalm: Most of the sent I deleted were emails between me & my dad, forwarding pictures etc that I've got saved, onlydeleted the junk stuff I know I won't want again
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:33] <jacobw> Hey brobostigon
[09:33]  * bigcalm sets up the additional drives as an excuse to not play the Ravenholm stage in HL2 for a while
[09:33] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[09:46] <bigcalm> Shutting down :(
[09:59] <redtape|renegade> Morning .. Time  to get up John-boy ! http://open.spotify.com/track/6p2XXeslyqOvCgiv2SK90E
[10:02] <kvarley> Windows 8's partition layout is horrendous
[10:03] <kvarley> How on earth can I make this into a dual boot? http://en.zimagez.com/full/75b8ef8673322929329a618ec91320d4827c219dfe1bb46c6924c0fb25bf0a9d45207eef74a4ebe8d55c80c62eb194fe4bf57df90cac784f.php
[10:15] <ocean22> hi guys. I have  a simple question for you. If I remove the programme A with purge command, would the programme B would be affected who shares dependency with programme A. can be a silly question. thanks in advance
[10:24] <bigcalm> \o/ /dev/md3        1.8T  196M  1.7T   1% /media/RAID1_3
[10:24] <bigcalm> Putting it on md3 was a mistake, but one I can live with
[10:53] <mungbean> thinking might get couple of these to make at my desk http://www.strapya-world.com/categories/2331_3177_8143.html
[11:08] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: Weren't you after another ISP a week last Cinqo-de-May ?? Found this ::: | Not quite an ISP , but has built-in filtering-package :::::: http://bit.ly/ZVShEd .. Pr.bly not yourself . but good for the cornish crew, so thought I'd 'divvy up'  ::
[11:50] <popey> hmm, I don't see you on latitude
[11:51] <popey> ^ MartijnVdS
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: hmm.. let me check
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: re-sent the thingy
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: I can't see you either
[11:55] <DJones> Ouch, I feel sorry for this guy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJ-0CFRCQAApFTY.jpg:large
[11:59] <mungbean> redtape|renegade: not me, i'm afraid
[12:00] <mungbean> ouch
[12:01] <bashrc> To display notifications should I be using pynotify in 13.04?
[12:03] <redtape|renegade> mungbean, Np.
[12:04] <daubers> Afternoon
[12:35] <bigcalm> DJones: that's very disturbing
[12:36] <DJones> bigcalm: I bet it was for the squirrel
[12:42] <penguin42> this uSDHC card claims to be 'temperature proof'
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: so.. it works if it's not 0K?
[12:42] <brobostigon> lets try absolute zero, :)
[12:43] <penguin42> or a blow torch
[12:43] <penguin42> It also claims to be water, magnet and X-ray proof
[12:44] <penguin42> oddly the symbol for x-ray proof seems to be a set of teeth
[12:44] <brobostigon> lets stick in the LHC :D
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> "But is it Higgs-proof?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> "
[12:46] <brobostigon> hehe :)
[12:47] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well, it doesn't weigh much
[12:50]  * penguin42 thinks the only explanation is that they store the data on cockroaches
[12:57] <penguin42> the packaging is also pretty much open-proof
[12:58] <brobostigon> wooops.
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> again, try the blowtorch ;)
[13:07] <mungbean> hammer & duct tape
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> https://github.com/search?p=1&q=extension%3Aphp+mysql_query+%24_GET&ref=searchresults&type=Code
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> Crying time :)
[13:33] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: oh my :(
[14:14]  * redtape|renegade goes for a 'pukka' | 'cleanse' peppermint tea, :: entranced by the competition http://bit.ly/19bLRBA
[15:56] <brobostigon> film4, ST4, voyage home, now. :)
[15:57] <kvarley> Urgh, can't get ubuntu live usb to work on my dell laptop which shipped with windows 8 o nit
[15:57] <kvarley> It goes to the grub menu but won't do anything after that
[15:58] <brobostigon> is it uefi etc? and is it compatible ubuntu?
[15:58] <kvarley> It is UEFI
[15:58] <kvarley> And since when as it being "compatible" with Ubuntu matter
[15:58] <kvarley> *mattered
[15:58] <brobostigon> kvarley: directhex seems to know alot about it.
[15:58] <kvarley> Linux works on everything lol
[15:59] <penguin42> kvarley: Well, if it's at the grub menu that's pretty positive
[15:59] <penguin42> kvarley: are you saying at that point no keyboard etc is working?
[15:59] <brobostigon> i do believe you need a special grub version for uefi.
[15:59] <penguin42> brobostigon: If it's managed to load the grub menu I'd say it's most of the way there and I think you're past that
[15:59] <penguin42> maybe wrong however
[15:59] <kvarley> penguin42: I mean the grub menu of the usb installer, pictured on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[16:00] <brobostigon> penguin42: possibly. good question.
[16:00] <penguin42> kvarley: OK, and can you move the arrows on there?
[16:01] <kvarley> penguin42: yeah that's all fine. when I hit enter a get a black screen and nothing happens
[16:01] <kvarley> If it tap the power button it turns off straight away which suggests the kernel hasn't loaded
[16:01] <penguin42> kvarley: Hmm ok, then it could be worse....
[16:02] <penguin42> kvarley: is there a recovery/fallback/safe option on that menu?
[16:03] <kvarley> peguin42: No. Try Ubuntu without installing, Install Ubuntu, OEM install (for manufacturers), Check disc for defects
[16:04] <penguin42> kvarley: I'd try using the grub edit option to try and remove the quiet, splash and handoff options
[16:06] <kvarley> penguin42: Nothing, the kernel doesn't load
[16:06] <penguin42> hmm that's a shame
[16:07] <kvarley> penguin42: Going to try from disc instead of usb 3
[16:07] <penguin42> please bug report it
[16:07] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon, Sounds bassically good .. just didn't get that memo ... https://mailing.channel4.com/public/read_message.jsp;jsessionid=0;apw71?sigreq=-1183483074
[16:08] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: ummm ?
[16:08] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon, Ahem | I wasn't listed, cough.
[16:09] <redtape|renegade> **it wasn't listed ...
[16:09] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: what wasnt listed? you have still lost me.
[16:09] <redtape|renegade> Did you click my link above ?
[16:10] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: i dont have a browser open atm, it would be quicker for you to tell me, as i am on my eeepc.
[16:10] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon, The email subscription that I got, did not list the program .. [cough].
[16:11] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: ah, didnt list star trek on film4?
[16:11] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon, Right.
[16:12] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: i have ch4's film4 listing on my twitter.
[16:12] <redtape|renegade> brobostigon, I would, but I'd only get non-plussed.
[16:12] <brobostigon> redtape|renegade: ok.
[16:18]  * redtape|renegade stretches for gpodder again ...  :::https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/FLOSS%20Weekly%20278_%20Tapper.mp3 :::
[16:26] <redtape|renegade> or even here : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/FLOSS%20Weekly%20278_%20Tapper.mp3 ::: [ if yur using VLC .. set the cacheing to 15000ms ]
[16:28] <redtape|renegade> bobnet brobostigon STOPSPLIT
[16:32] <penguin42> bouncey bouncey bouncey
[16:32] <Myrtti> yeah sorry about that
[16:33] <redtape|renegade> Myrtti, Pro.bly from Chicagae.
[16:33] <penguin42> Myrtti: Tripped over the cable?
[16:33] <Myrtti> someone got bored and started playing jumprope
[16:36]  * penguin42 had to look that up
[16:37] <mungbean> i set ignore on parts & quits etc so never see splits
[16:38] <penguin42> that's the 1st bounce I saw today, someone else was saying they'd seen wolfe bouncing a bit today
[16:38] <redtape|renegade> OT | Someone mention jump-rope ? http://bit.ly/11t7b83 (use the right mp3 playr guys Plz)
[16:56] <SuperEngineer> boiiinngggg
[16:59]  * DJones welcomes zebede
[17:00] <DJones> He says remembering the original broadcasts of Magic Roundabout
[17:00] <popey> boo
[17:00] <brobostigon> RAWR
[17:00] <DJones> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:04]  * redtape|renegade 'wheezes ::  http://open.spotify.com/album/5HPc503HoxRMgu8CdcjLY8  ::
[17:04] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> 1st day off after 12 days continuous work & what happens? Ice falls from the sky!  hurumph!
[17:09] <popey> once again I say something and redtape|renegade leaves right after
[17:09] <popey> but is still online and in other channels
[17:09] <popey> getting pretty childish
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - was on my ignore list a while back
[17:11] <Laney> not worth bothering about imo
[17:31] <penguin42> anyone good with dovecot errors? dovecot: imap-login: Warning: SSL alert: where=0x4004, ret=558: fatal certificate unknown          which end didn't like the cert?
[17:32] <penguin42> that's using a self-signed on the dovecot server made using the mkcert script that comes with dovecot and thunderbolt as the client
[18:00] <brobostigon> yay, dr who, :)
[18:01] <BigRedS> penguin42: turn on the debug!
[18:01] <BigRedS> I don't recall seeing that before, but Dovecot's rather terse with SSL errors
[18:02] <penguin42> BigRedS: I seem to have got it to work after an hour of fiddling by regenerating the cert and shouting at it a lot; I'm not which one was more important
[18:02] <BigRedS> probably the latter
[18:34] <mungbean> yeah
[18:34] <BigRedS> maybe I just got a couple of bad ones, this was a few years ago
[18:34] <mungbean> tries to be all things to all people
[18:34] <mungbean> very much focussing on "the web" and social media
[18:34] <mungbean> and like a tomorrows world for twitter people
[18:35] <BigRedS> haha, I guess that part of the problem is that I don't find consumer tech all that interesting, really
[18:35] <mungbean> i think my wife benefits more as they frequently cover things that i talk about and already know about
[18:36] <mungbean> in a MOR kind of way
[18:36] <BigRedS> yeah, i think it just felt like the equivalent of reading the headlines on slashdot really slowly :)
[18:36] <mungbean> its a bit like the apple fans on my fb feed who describe themselves as geeks
[18:37] <BigRedS> but not the actual articles
[18:37] <BigRedS> haha, yeah. I've started spotting those when my apple rant gets as far as the absence of a procfs...
[18:38] <BigRedS> 'cause at a past job I figured I'd just bring over all my scripts for monitoring and automating and stuff, and all of them failed as soon as they tried to get data by reading from a file under /proc
[18:40] <mungbean> my model is staring at me waiting to get built
[18:40] <mungbean> http://ubuntuone.com/1HeTlg3n5g8Fy0uelZQ0IY
[18:40] <ball> BigRedS: Can procfs bet added to Darwin? I know it's available on other BSDs.
[18:42] <BigRedS> ball: I've no idea, I didn't check 'cause my boss soon managed to argue that things running OSX weren't the responsibilty of IT...
[18:43]  * ball nods
[18:43] <ball> Sounds reasonable.
[18:43] <BigRedS> I was dumfounded, but pleased
[18:44] <BigRedS> We were about 5-8% OSX at the time, and they all suddenly became the direct responsibility of their users
[18:44] <BigRedS> which, admittedly, made their users happier since they knew better what they were doing than an of us did :)
[18:52] <redtape|renegade> Myrtti, Your still using irssi, just not the same ports (v.helpful).
[18:54] <Myrtti> redtape|renegade: you're not making sense
[18:55] <Myrtti> redtape|renegade: I'm using irssi. what do you mean with "just not the same ports"
[18:55] <redtape|renegade> forget about it, I'm bored with the whole thing.
[18:56] <Myrtti> uhkey
[19:02] <Myrtti> but anyway, why should I move to using weechat? I've got it installed but I've not had time to have a proper look. most of the scripts I use though probably aren't ported to weechat so I'm not sure it would be worth it
[19:03] <popey> didrocks sings the praises of weechat
[19:03] <popey> not quite figured out what it has that irssi doesn't
[19:07] <mungbean> irssi+plugins
[19:07] <ali1234> what do you use scripts for on irc?
[19:08] <ali1234> i never saw the point of it personally
[19:08] <mungbean> userlist,colours,
[19:08] <ali1234> userlist?
[19:08] <dwatkins_> I use colours in irssi, it makes it much easier to distinguish between people.
[19:08] <ali1234> pidgin has colours built in
[19:08] <mungbean> shows users in window on rhs
[19:08] <penguin42> ali1234: You're a very pleasent shade of geen
[19:08] <BigRedS> does that require a script? As far as I can recall, all I've ever done to customise irssi is download a theme
[19:08] <dwatkins> I also use tmux, though, so don't pay any attention to me ;)
[19:09] <ali1234> meh, pidgin also shows user on rhs by default
[19:09] <ali1234> so basically you use scripts to make up for the fact your client sucks?
[19:09] <mungbean> i run irssi in screen on another server ali1234
[19:09] <BigRedS> though I don't have different colours for each person, but I'm (now decreasingly) sure I used to
[19:09] <popey> trolololol
[19:09] <mungbean> i used to run pidgin tho
[19:09] <ali1234> trololol indeed
[19:09] <BigRedS> ali1234: that's, basically, why anything is extensible isn't it?
[19:09] <mungbean> kopete can run in client/server mode tho
[19:10] <mungbean> i'm on some channels that i need to read every message
[19:10] <mungbean> hence running in screen
[19:11] <mungbean> pidgin doesnt allow this without a bouncer
[19:11] <popey> i tried xchat for a few months, went back to irssi
[19:12] <mungbean> i quite like most irc clients
[19:13] <mungbean> except irssi cos when my screen session ends i have to remember how to connect as i never bothered adding the scripts to my . file
[19:13] <popey> i use byobu
[19:14] <popey> which autostarts when i ssh in
[19:16] <BigRedS> I just don't end my screen sessions
[19:17] <BigRedS> I think I've had to start irssi about four times in the past couple of years
[19:22] <mungbean> it crashes on ircnet about once a month
[19:24] <Myrtti> autoconnecting to networks doesn't require any scripts tho
[19:27] <BigRedS> haha. Windows just shut itself down through overheating, started installing updates, then abruptly halted and now blue screens on boot
[19:27] <BigRedS> I really need to buy a games console
[19:29] <popey> hah
[19:29] <redtape|renegade> Aww .. you were good while you lasted, my leet notebook.  :: http://bit.ly/ZX9qgO
[19:32] <BigRedS> surely you can just upgrade it?
[19:34] <popey> or if 12.04 is too much for it, switch to lubuntu or xubuntu
[19:34] <popey> although my friend tony upgraded his netbook to 13.04 and said it was noticably faster (for unity)
[19:36] <mungbean> http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/07/the-it-crowd-finale-chris-odowd/
[19:38] <mungbean> lol @gnome devs https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544
[19:39] <popey> yeah, saw that tweeted earlier
[19:39] <popey> facepalm
[19:40] <popey> made me cringe and lol at the same time
[19:40] <BigRedS> It's sort of like watching our politicians. It'd be hilarious if it didn't affect me...
[19:41] <BigRedS> Should be in a comedy work of fiction, this isn't the sort of thing that's supposed to happen in real life
[19:41] <mungbean> also weird advert on telly from ms :main USP:do not track option on ie
[19:42]  * penguin42 admits that he thinks transparent terminals are the spawn of the devil; but I'd want to allow people to have them
[19:42] <BigRedS> I love transparent terminals. Can have the telly on in the background while I'm working :)
[19:42] <BigRedS> took me a long time to come round to that idea, though. I was really opposed to them until I spotted that that was possible
[19:43] <popey> heh
[19:44] <directhex> it wasn't possible until they were AIGLX-powered
[19:44] <directhex> originally they just took a screenshot of your X root window, and displayed a correctly selected section of it as your terminal background
[19:45] <directhex> you'd especially notice when dragging the window about
[19:45] <Dave2> Ahh, I miss the days of terminals where you'd drag it and see the background update
[19:46] <penguin42> long long ago, your program wrote a character to a port - and thus it was written; and then over time the host rendered the character and it wrote... 8 bytes and it was written,  and then it got fancy and antialiased, and then five layers of GL later...
[19:47] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, I did enjoy the obvious bodge with the desktop-background showing
[19:50] <redtape|renegade> Crumbs .. just tried to glue a lightbulb again .. :: http://bit.ly/121lP1h   ::: D'oh
[19:52] <BigRedS> tried to glue a lightbulb?
[19:54] <redtape|renegade> BigRedS, Nearly did .. Pulled out at the last minute ,... My friend was saying .. "Leets glue this mother."
[19:55] <redtape|renegade> **Lets glue this ...
[19:56] <BigRedS> but when did it look like a good idea?
[19:56] <BigRedS> I'm not so much puzzled as to why you didn't, but why you nearly did. though, in all honesty, I'm not *that* interested :)
[19:56] <redtape|renegade> .. about 15 minutes ago when the socket became loose .. but just put in for another.
[19:57] <redtape|renegade> Oh surething.
[20:39] <popey> hmm, want to watch more Christophe Waltz
[20:50] <BigRedS> I'm sure that I've used something that had an option "reboot into Windows" in the reboot dialogue box, anyone else seen that or was it probably just a dream?
[20:50] <BigRedS> Aaages ago, probably pre-Ubuntu
[21:01] <brobostigon> blackadder, bbc2, now, :)
[21:01] <popey> BigRedS: yeah, i have seen that
[21:10] <BigRedS> popey: why haven't I seen it recently? :)
[21:14] <popey> BigRedS: i cant recall what system i saw it on
[21:15] <popey> brobostigon: where are your channel irc stats?
[21:15] <popey> we should probably link them in the /topic
[21:15] <brobostigon> popey: taylorworld.me.uk
[21:17] <brobostigon> popey: it looks like it is updating properly, i will check it more regularly.
[21:19] <popey> chanserv seems dead
[21:19] <christel> yeah, ddos
[21:19] <popey> ah
[21:19] <brobostigon> eeeek
[21:19] <popey> no topic changes for me then
[21:20] <brobostigon> is it updating properly.?. it looks like it is.
[21:23] <popey> looks like it
[21:23] <brobostigon> good, :)
[22:20] <penguin42> wth is up with freenode today
[22:21] <popey> ddos apparently
[22:22] <popey> 19:34:07 [freenode] -kloeri(~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri)- [Global Notice] Hi all, apologies for the continued netsplits. We're having some issues stemming from a DDoS attack
[22:22] <popey> but we're working with our sponsors on attack mitigation. Thank you for using freenode.
[22:22] <popey> 22:29:45 [freenode] -tomaw(tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're just completing some administrative tasks after services extended tea break. They'll return shortly.
[22:22] <popey> Sorry for the outage!
[22:22] <popey> etc
[22:24] <penguin42> ah
[22:26] <Myrtti> I did put stuff in Twitter/Identica/Google+/Facebook!
[22:26] <penguin42> is that all :-)
[22:29] <bigcalm> Star Trek was fun. People should go and see it :)
[22:35] <penguin42> intends to in a week or so; I've got some time off - can go and see it in the day when it'll be quieter
[22:36] <bigcalm> We've just been to a 20:30 showing. Screen had about 50 people tops in it I think
[22:36] <bigcalm> We did go and see the 2D version though
[22:40] <penguin42> oh, wouldn't want 3d; I do want Imax though
[22:41]  * bigcalm looks forward to owning the blu-ray release
[22:41] <bigcalm> Now we need to see Ironman 3 and Despicable Me 2
[22:42] <bigcalm> Question is, do I want to buy the original films on blu-ray?
[22:43] <ali1234> do you like star trek?
[22:43] <bigcalm> Yes
[22:43] <ali1234> do you have good eyesight and a big TV?
[22:43] <bigcalm> £62.65 on Amazon for the first 10 films
[22:44] <bigcalm> Yes and yes (well, 37")
[22:44] <ali1234> is it a boxed set?
[22:47] <redtape|renegade> OT | I imagine you'll hear a lot about bird flu on Sun12th/May  :: http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/france-confirms-sars-like-virus-case :: Breakfast Show on  Radio-3 would love that at 7.00am
[22:47]  * bigcalm adds it to his wish list
[22:47] <bigcalm> Yes
[22:52] <bigcalm_> Humf, still with the ddosing then
[22:55] <redtape|renegade> Blu-ray on handbrake ?  :\ mmmpft ! ::::: http://www.mint.com/blog/saving/how-to-save-money-when-youre-surrounded-by-big-spenders-0513/ :::
[22:55] <redtape|renegade> **Blu-ray on Amazon.cws
[23:05] <redtape|renegade> !packages
[23:29] <redtape|renegade> davmor2: Aloha !
[23:38] <redtape|renegade> !packages
[23:45] <redtape|renegade> lubotu3: Looks like an error of the 3rd kind again.