[04:28] <ahoneybun_> valorie: are you there?
[04:28] <valorie> hi
[04:28] <ahoneybun_> I never got that email
[04:29] <ahoneybun_> hey smartboyhw
[04:29] <valorie> I asked earlier what email address to send it to?
[04:29] <ahoneybun_> I thought I gave it
[04:29] <ahoneybun_> oh I gave it to Riddell
[04:30] <smartboyhw> Happy Mother's Day everyone
[04:30] <ahoneybun_> aaronhoneycutt@outlook.com sorry ;(
[04:30] <ahoneybun_> smartboyhw: same to you!
[04:30] <ahoneybun_> oh to valorie as well of course
[04:32] <valorie> soon it will be!
[04:32] <valorie> a few more hours
[04:32] <ahoneybun_> it is here
[04:32] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun_: Heh say it to my mother…
[04:33] <valorie> ok, email on the way
[04:33] <ahoneybun_> yea
[04:33] <ahoneybun_> sweet
[04:33] <ahoneybun_> I put a board on trello btw valorie
[04:34] <valorie> cool
[04:34]  * smartboyhw checks the Trello board
[04:37] <valorie> ok, sent
[04:38] <valorie> I thought there was more there
[04:38] <ahoneybun_> on the page?
[04:38] <valorie> my brain was more empty than I thought
[04:38] <valorie> in my little document I just sent to you
[04:39] <ahoneybun_> oh ok
[04:40] <valorie> one night I couldn't stop thinking, and wrote that, and the beginning of some blog posts
[04:41] <valorie> obsessive thinking doesn't necessarily produce the best results
[04:42] <ahoneybun_> I see I sent a reply
[04:43] <valorie> ok, I'll look at that soon
[04:45] <ahoneybun_> ok
[04:47] <valorie> I looked at the trello yesterday, but I didn't really understand what needed to be done
[04:49] <ahoneybun_> I fixed it
[04:49] <ahoneybun_> since then
[04:50] <valorie> cool
[04:50] <ahoneybun_> in the kubuntu-docs branch on lp there are folders in the docs directory with xml files and I need to import those into the wiki and I have put them into parts
[04:50] <ahoneybun_> the 6 pages
[04:51] <valorie> ah, OK
[04:52] <valorie> I thought that might be it
[04:52] <ahoneybun_> yea
[04:52] <valorie> it's been so long since i worked with the files
[04:52] <valorie> and I got sidetracked working with the xubuntu files
[04:52] <ahoneybun_> yea sorry I have it in my own way really
[04:54] <valorie> as long as you are doing the work, that's OK
[04:54] <ahoneybun_> yea but not to great when working with others.
[04:55] <valorie> question
[04:55] <ahoneybun_> shot
[04:55] <valorie> the pages we were working on didn't look all that great around the edges
[04:55] <valorie> but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ looks GOOD
[04:56] <valorie> are we not linking right to that, or what?
[04:56] <ahoneybun_> for the getting involved page?
[04:56] <ahoneybun_> or in general
[04:57] <valorie> in general
[04:57] <valorie> do you see what I mean?
[04:57] <valorie> the theming at the top?
[04:57] <ahoneybun_> oh that
[04:57] <ahoneybun_> the icons?
[04:58] <valorie> the theming
[04:58] <valorie> where it says Kubuntu wiki
[04:59] <ahoneybun_> oh how some pages say ubuntu wiki?
[04:59] <ahoneybun_> I see why
[05:00] <ahoneybun_> is that what your talking about?
[05:00] <valorie> yes
[05:00] <valorie> I fail to understand the system, i guess
[05:00] <ahoneybun_> its because I put wiki.ubuntu.com and not wiki.kubuntu.com in the links
[05:00] <valorie> ewww
[05:00] <ahoneybun_> why are all my browser failing me
[05:01] <valorie> why?
[05:01] <ahoneybun_> idk I took one link copy and used it to make them all
[05:01] <valorie> I mean, people should be able to find us on the ubuntu wiki
[05:01] <valorie> sure
[05:01] <valorie> but we are kubuntu.org
[05:01] <valorie> not ubuntu.com
[05:01] <ahoneybun_> yes
[05:01] <valorie> I hate that .com anyway
[05:01] <valorie> and always have
[05:02] <ahoneybun_> we are not a company
[05:02] <valorie> canonical.com is fine
[05:02] <ahoneybun_> a non-profit org
[05:02] <valorie> they are in it to make money
[05:02] <valorie> we're doing this for love
[05:02] <ahoneybun_> why does that page say wiki.ubuntu.com but still have the Kubuntu Wiki theme
[05:03] <ahoneybun_> weird
[05:04] <ahoneybun_> seems the main page is on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:05] <ahoneybun_> or is on both it seems
[05:06] <ahoneybun_> seems to be having server issues
[05:09] <valorie> well, I don't understand it
[05:09] <valorie> but I would like to see our pages be hosted primarily on our own branded wiki
[05:10] <ahoneybun_> working on that
[05:10] <valorie> awesome
[05:14] <ahoneybun_> yes
[05:16] <ahoneybun_> so almost 50% with the basics page
[05:17] <ahoneybun_> just need to write permissions section
[05:18]  * ahoneybun_ got lazy and just used <<TableOfContent>> 
[05:19] <ahoneybun_> I could not get the links to work right
[05:21] <valorie> I'm so glad you are comfortable working with that wiki software
[05:22] <ahoneybun_> oh?
[05:23] <ahoneybun_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics is that too many ?
[05:23] <ahoneybun_> its like HTML and CSS, it has to be neat for others to read
[05:24] <ahoneybun_> you should look at the code on that page!
[05:24] <valorie> personally, I would leave out the subheadings under tips
[05:24] <valorie> but it LOOKS great
[05:25] <ahoneybun_> it makes too many links
[05:26] <ahoneybun_> what I could do it group them together
[05:26] <ahoneybun_> what I could do is group them
[05:26] <valorie> sure
[05:28] <ahoneybun_> did you get a chance to look at the code?
[05:31] <ahoneybun_> refresh
[05:31] <ahoneybun_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[05:33] <valorie> omfg, this wiki is the slowest thing to save anything
[05:34] <valorie> next to my freaking PHONE
[05:34] <valorie> lol
[05:34] <ahoneybun_> yea lol
[05:38] <ahoneybun_> did it load?
[05:39] <valorie> yes, that looks good
[05:40] <ahoneybun_> great ;)
[05:40] <valorie> that code is insane
[05:40] <ahoneybun_> yea is it readable
[05:40] <ahoneybun_> ?
[05:42] <ahoneybun_> this should be the biggest page
[05:42] <valorie> it's long
[05:42] <valorie> I'll read for content once you are done editing
[05:42] <ahoneybun_> I know, and I still have 4 more xml files to load in there
[05:43] <valorie> well, it needs to be split, IMO
[05:43] <ahoneybun_> yea I was afraid of that
[05:43] <ahoneybun_> I mean its not bad to add 2 more pages
[05:44] <ahoneybun_> I could throw cli.xml and the basics.xml into a Linux Basic page on its own
[05:44] <ahoneybun_> do a Kubuntu Basics and Linux Basics
[05:45] <valorie> yes please
[05:45] <ahoneybun_> ok
[05:45] <valorie> people don't necessarily ever need linux basics
[05:45] <valorie> if we do our job correctly
[05:45] <valorie> I mean, I like the cli
[05:45] <valorie> but most people don't
[05:46] <ahoneybun_> I should update the trello and see how you think it looks
[05:46] <ahoneybun_> first!
[05:46] <valorie> ok!
[05:46] <valorie> then I'm going to watch another doctor who episode
[05:46] <valorie> my DVR got off-track, and I'm sadly behind
[05:47] <valorie> and really, this is necessary for proper work in kubuntu
[05:47] <ahoneybun_> the doctor who?
[05:47] <valorie> rofl
[05:47] <valorie> he loves to hear people ask that!
[05:47] <ahoneybun_> I know I watch it too
[05:48] <valorie> naturally
[05:48] <ahoneybun_> got the belt, socks, and one t-shirt
[05:48] <valorie> haha
[05:48] <valorie> have you read up on project time lord?
[05:48] <ahoneybun_> nope
[05:49] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/project-timelord
[05:50] <valorie> I missed participating, but I was using kub. at the time
[05:50] <ahoneybun_> lol
[05:50] <valorie> just becoming aware, faintly, that there was a community behind all this wonderfulness
[05:50] <valorie> and also not a doctor who fan yet!
[05:51] <valorie> wow, i hadn't put that together until now
[05:51] <ahoneybun_> oh?
[05:51] <valorie> anyway, back in roughly an hour
[05:51] <valorie> I mean, I was not yet a fan
[05:52] <ahoneybun_> oh ok idk if I will be up 
[07:26] <valorie> ahoneybun_: the links to /Basics don
[07:26] <valorie> t work anymore
[07:26] <valorie> I think the name of theKubuntuBasics should be /Basics
[07:55] <valorie> hmmm, I thought we discouraged the use of aptitude these days?
[07:55] <valorie> otherwise, why don't we include it in the standard install?
[07:56] <valorie> IMO it shouldn't be in our kubuntu basics wiki pages
[07:58] <valorie> and seriously, if people are going to convert rpms to debs, do they need step by step of how to install alien in muon?
[07:58]  * valorie sees some problems with our old docs!
[08:02] <valorie> we no longer have LiveCDs right? only DVDs
[08:13] <valorie> ok, finished with KubuntuBasics
[08:13] <valorie> which I think should be simple Basics
[08:14] <valorie> ahoneybun_: ^^^
[08:26] <valorie> ok, time for me to shut down for the night
[08:26] <valorie> I'll be around tomorrow evening again, ahoneybun_
[08:30] <soee> agateau, may i ask one question?
[08:51] <yofel> valorie, ahoneybun_: aptitude has some valid use cases, but on a desktop system it only duplicates functionality that's covered by other tools
[09:38] <yofel> !testers | 4.10.3 is done for 12.04 and 12.10 in ninjas
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:03] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:22] <soee> hiho
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can do some packaging now.
[13:22] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion nootka 0.8.77~beta
[13:22] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1179207
[13:22]  * smartboyhw \o/(s) at so many needs-packaging bug he created.
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Hmm, http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm is interesting
[13:33] <smartboyhw> If no one objects, I am doing the merges now. Starting by ksudoku
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Do some trivial ones first:P
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Somebody help, I dget -x the package from Ubuntu and the signature check failed since the jey is Riddell's (already imported but no)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> s/jey/key/
[13:46] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Somebody help, I dget -x the package from Ubuntu and the signature check failed since the key is Riddell's (already imported but no)"
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Meh, trying dpkg-source
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Hurray it worked
[13:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :P
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so I merged the changelog and no debian/patches found. But then I also need to merge debian/rules too. Do I use the Debian ver. or Ubuntu ver. ?
[13:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: start with the debian version
[13:53] <Riddell> and if there are any changes with good reasons in ubuntu add those in
[13:53] <Riddell> but usually there's aren't
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so for example, priority: optional for Debian, priority: extra for Ubuntu (in debian/control) which one should I choose?)
[13:56] <Riddell> go with debian 
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[13:57] <Riddell> in almost all cases go with debain, keep the delta as small as possible
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh Debian's ksudoku is much detailed than us.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> They got icons and manpages
[13:57] <smartboyhw> cd ..
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Oops :P
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, is kde-sc-dev-latest in debian = pkg-kde-tools in ubuntu?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Let me check...
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Now I come to think of it: We need pkg-kde-tools
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, is that correct? ^
[14:25] <ahoneybun> valorie: yofel so remove aptitude from the docs?
[14:28] <yofel> ahoneybun: it's really only useful in server docs. Mentioning it as an alternative would be ok I guess, but without further explenation
[14:30] <ahoneybun> I love using it over apt as I have to do 'apt-cache search' by with aptitude 'aptitude search'
[14:30] <yofel> yeah, the search functionality is one of my use cases for it. aptitude's search patterns beat apt-cache by far
[14:30] <yofel> smartboyhw_: wrt. kde-sc-dev-latest
[14:30] <ahoneybun> so much more power
[14:31] <yofel> smartboyhw_: leave it in as it is I would say. We don't bump the version lately, and it has a dep on pkg-kde-tools
[14:31] <yofel> as long as we don't change the sc-dev-latest version in meta-kde there's no point in changing that
[14:31] <ahoneybun> it has 2 sentences talking about it in the Docs, apt has the most 
[14:32] <yofel> smartboyhw_: do keep any versioned kde build-deps that we have in ubuntu. Our scripts use that
[14:32] <yofel> (while debian does that with kde-sc-dev-latest)
[14:33] <smartboyhw_> yofel: OK
[14:33] <yofel> ahoneybun: where's that? 2 lines would be fine probably, if anything put those at the bottom
[14:33] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/KubuntuBasics#Managing_software right below Apt
[14:34] <yofel> hm, I would leave it like that...
[14:34] <ahoneybun> why the '...'
[14:34] <yofel> valorie: ^ opinion?
[14:34]  * yofel isn't much of a doc writer
[14:35] <ahoneybun> neither am I
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> ahoneybun: If you have time, join the Ubuntu Docs team, they are in lack of contributors ;P
[14:38] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw_: really?
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> ahoneybun: Yep
[14:39] <yofel> I believe all flavours have a lack of personal for the documentation
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Even Ubuntu has that problem:P
[14:39] <ahoneybun> yea hard to believe lol
[14:40] <ahoneybun> is there a kubuntu-doc mailing list
[14:40] <ahoneybun> ?
[14:40] <yofel> smartboyhw_: well... from my POV my statement included ubuntu
[14:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: nope
[14:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: kubuntu-devel is has low enough traffic that splitting things makes no sense
[14:41] <ahoneybun> yea
[14:41] <yofel> even the seperate IRC channels that we had are unused today
[14:41] <yofel> (-bugs and -testers)
[14:41] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw_: heck the #ubuntu-docs channel is invite only
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> ahoneybun: Try #ubuntu-doc
[14:43] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw_: that seems to work, but I have no exp in DocBook it looks weird to me
[14:44] <smartboyhw_> Someone review ksudoku in https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa plz
[14:45] <ahoneybun> review?
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> and upload:P
[14:45] <ahoneybun> upload?
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> ahoneybun: Packages.
[14:45] <ahoneybun> I see
[14:45] <yofel> smartboyhw_: can you put that into a branch please? A merge is easier to review (even without LP)
[14:45] <smartboyhw_> to the Ubuntu archive
[14:46] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Oh meh
[14:46] <yofel> as I'll have to make a diff anyway...
[14:46] <smartboyhw_> kubuntu-packaging branch or the ubuntu one? 
[14:46] <smartboyhw_> yofel: ^
[14:46] <yofel> former
[14:47] <smartboyhw_> yofel: OK
[14:49] <ahoneybun> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam#Beginners_Team_Help look how they are doing subpages
[14:50] <yofel> hm interesting
[14:51] <yofel> I didn't know moinmoin could do that
[14:52] <ahoneybun> a tablesyle mixed with a table
[14:52] <ahoneybun> yea a table
[14:53] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Check the reviews for ksudoku kubuntu-packaging branch plz
[14:54] <yofel> I'll do that once I find them...
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Sorry, I don't want to use IRC on my PC since the tennis live scores are disrupting:P
[14:55] <yofel> lol
[14:55] <yofel> found it ^^
[14:57] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Wait
[14:57] <smartboyhw_> I'm refiling the m.p.
[14:57] <yofel> you don't need to
[14:57] <yofel> I can work with it
[14:58] <yofel> I don't pay attention to what's on launchpad anyway
[14:58] <smartboyhw_> done… :P
[14:58] <yofel> (well, esp. if you merge into the wrong branch ^^)
[14:58] <apachelogger> you're refiling the member of parliament :O
[14:58] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Yep:P
[14:58] <yofel> rofl
[14:58] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: What?
[15:02] <yofel> smartboyhw_: wrong maintainer, xsbc-original-maintainer is missing, wrong Vcs url's. Otherwise, looks fine
[15:03] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Riddell did the same thing I think
[15:03] <yofel> uhm... that's wrong then
[15:03] <smartboyhw_> Meh
[15:03] <yofel> maintainer is us as soon as there is -XubuntuY in the changelog
[15:04] <yofel> you keep debian as original maintainer then
[15:04] <smartboyhw_> Look at kcalc…
[15:04] <yofel> looks fine to me
[15:05] <yofel> ah, the Vcs links are missing
[15:05] <yofel> that needs fixing
[15:05] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Look more carefully…
[15:05] <yofel> smartboyhw_: we're talking about kcalc right?
[15:05] <smartboyhw_> yofel: sure
[15:06] <yofel> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[15:06] <yofel> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[15:06] <smartboyhw_> yofel: The uploaders thing?
[15:06] <yofel> Ubuntu has no use for that field so leave it as it is
[15:07] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Ah OK then
[15:08] <yofel> Riddell: could you please add Vcs links in the control file when you see they're missing?
[15:08] <yofel> they're not too helpful for us, but without those other people don't know where to commit to when they change something in the package
[15:11] <ahoneybun> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail what do you think? of the table of contents
[15:14] <yofel> hm... ok, I guess. I was thinking to rather use a header like on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu, but that feels overloaded and looks weird for some reason
[15:14] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw_: what do you think? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[15:15] <ahoneybun> it does look nice but yes overloaded
[15:16] <yofel> the calender part should probably go away
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Back
[15:16] <ahoneybun> wb
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Hello Riddelll
[15:18] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:19] <ahoneybun> yofel: I don't like I guess
[15:20] <yofel> let me try something
[15:20] <ahoneybun> o
[15:20] <ahoneybun> k
[15:21] <yofel> meh
[15:21] <smartboyhw> yofel: You got my message?
[15:21] <ahoneybun> yofel: what?
[15:21] <yofel> smartboyhw: not reall?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Before I went into weird internet;P
[15:21] <yofel> y
[15:21] <smartboyhw> (smartboyhw_) yofel: So am I going to edit the wrong bits or you?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:22] <yofel> smartboyhw: hm, I can fix it. That's probably easiest
[15:22] <smartboyhw> yofel: Thanks:)
[15:22] <yofel> ahoneybun: I tried putting it at the top without the text, but then it doesn't fit together with the page menu
[15:23] <ahoneybun> the sub-pages
[15:23] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:23] <yofel> yea
[15:23] <yofel> h
[15:23] <ahoneybun> yea above or below the banner?
[15:23] <yofel> below the banner, which didn't really work
[15:24]  * apachelogger just remembered that the kubuntu wiki is not supposed to be used for user interaction.....
[15:24] <apachelogger> like community.kde its meant for internal stuff
[15:24] <yofel> so leaving it at the bottom would be best if we use it. The page should still point people to the important pages in the text
[15:24] <yofel> apachelogger: how is docs supposed to be for user interaction?
[15:25] <smartboyhw> My namesake left! lol
[15:26] <apachelogger> yofel: users are supposed to read the documentation, no? :P
[15:27] <yofel> apachelogger: so your point is...?
[15:27] <ahoneybun> read not click links?
[15:27] <yofel> I'm not sure whether a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/ -style documentation would be better...
[15:27] <apachelogger> my point is it cannot stay in the wiki unless you only use the wiki as development place in which case your formatting worries are probably no goody
[15:28] <yofel> where would you put it then? website?
[15:29] <apachelogger> for example
[15:29] <apachelogger> or a sane wiki
[15:30] <yofel> well, we can talk about that once the docs are done. Currently they *are* WIP
[15:30] <yofel> but yeah, we should worry about the formatting later
[15:30] <ahoneybun> so thats what he is saying, write it for now
[15:36] <ahoneybun> thats what you are saying?
[15:44]  * yofel notes that ksudoku in debian is broken
[15:45] <yofel> at least I get an empty package when building here
[15:46] <smartboyhw> yofel: I can build it here…
[15:46] <smartboyhw> With -Installing(s)
[15:46] <yofel> smartboyhw: nah, I'll talk to maxy first
[15:47] <yofel> smartboyhw: well, it *builds*, but the result deb is empty
[15:47] <smartboyhw> yofel: :O
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Mine is 1.4 MB
[15:50] <yofel> nvm
[15:50] <yofel> I missed that you didn't commit the install file
[15:52] <smartboyhw> yofel: :O oops
[15:52] <smartboyhw> Why didn't I?
[15:52] <yofel> there's quite a few things missing actually when comparing it to debian git
[15:52] <yofel> $ ls debian/
[15:52] <yofel> changelog  compat  control  copyright  rules  source
[15:52] <yofel> $ ls ../ksudoku-debian/debian/
[15:52] <yofel> changelog  compat  control  copyright  icon-list  icons  ksudoku.docs  ksudoku.install  ksudoku.manpages  ksudoku.menu  man  rules  source  watch
[15:52] <smartboyhw> yofel: Ah damn
[15:52] <smartboyhw> I forgotten bzr add!
[15:53]  * smartboyhw hates add commands
[15:53] <yofel> I'll fix it, please don't forget it next time ;)
[15:53]  * smartboyhw criee
[15:53] <smartboyhw> *cries
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Extremely sorry yofel:(
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Anyways, sleep time.
[15:54] <yofel> nini
[16:19] <Darkwing> Yay, I just LOVE airports
[17:19] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I thought you never talked lol
[17:36] <ahoneybun> hey je4d_
[17:36] <ahoneybun> jjesse: 
[20:40] <lordievader> Good evening. Is there need for some more 4.10.3 testing?
[20:44] <yofel> lordievader: if you're on precise or quantal I would appreciate it. I just did a quick test in a VM, but that's all the testing it got
[20:44] <lordievader> Only got Raring and Saucy here.
[20:46] <yofel> ah ok, we've got that covered
[20:46] <yofel> I didn't find any issues so I'll publish what I have and hope for the best
[20:48] <lordievader> Ok, we do offer good support (in case things go wrong), if I say so myself :)
[21:29] <valorie> ahoneybun: went through the About page
[21:30] <valorie> and if people still use aptitude, I guess leave it in -- but why don't we provide it by default anymore?
[21:38] <Riddelll> valorie: ahoneybun: no takeout aptitude
[21:38] <Riddelll> it's always been unsupported and we've always said it's not advised
[21:38] <Riddelll> so it really shouldn't be in there
[21:38] <valorie> cool
[21:39] <valorie> I love yanking stuff
[21:39] <valorie> and seriously, we talk about how to install and use alien?
[21:39] <valorie> fine to document, but not in beginner user docs
[21:40] <ryanakca> /wn 1
[21:41] <ryanakca> Ooops
[21:43] <Riddelll> valorie: kill that too
[21:45] <valorie> cool
[21:46] <valorie> and do we still have liveCDs, or only LiveDVDs?
[21:46] <valorie> I thought we went to dvd only
[21:46] <Riddelll> no CD
[21:46] <valorie> cool
[21:46] <Riddelll> only a live image
[21:46] <Riddelll> which can be put on a dvd or usb drive
[21:47] <valorie> you are very lllly today
[21:47] <Riddelll> what what?
[21:49] <valorie> your nick
[21:49] <valorie> ok, done weeding in the kubuntubasics page
[21:50] <valorie> kiddies are coming for a BBQ soon, so I'm off celebrating mother's day
[21:50] <valorie> :-)
[21:51]  * Riddell off to sleep
[22:03] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: ?
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ?
[22:08] <ahoneybun> missed them
[22:46] <claydoh> Mamarok: my list email is being rejected as spam :(