[12:19] <impex93> Hi everyone :)
[12:41] <user82> anything new about 3g support on the nexus 4?
[13:15] <ajalkane> Has something changed and getting console.log output from QML needs to be enabled somehow? Some environment variable?
[14:49] <ajalkane> What's up? Ubuntu phone development files can't be installed in 13.04? http://pastebin.com/z0UuHcVp
[14:49] <ajalkane> Seems to relate to upgrade to Qt 5.0.2
[15:05] <nik90> ajalkane: when I update my system, I noticed that the qtdeclarative-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin has been kept back.
[15:06] <nik90> ajalkane: hopefully it should be sorted out tomorrow
[15:06] <ajalkane> nik90: alright. So I'll not waste me time on that and just wait for an update.
[15:06] <ajalkane> Thanks
[15:19] <user82> does anyone know how far 3g support on the nexus 4 is?
[15:32] <ASim215> Hi people!)
[17:08] <Galahad> Salut/Hello
[19:08] <user82> popey, does 3g internet work already?
[19:08] <popey> no
[19:09] <user82> too bad. maybe in two weeks
[19:11] <popey> thats a reasonable expectation
[20:23] <adfad666> is there anything in ubuntu touch that depends on something specific in android 4.2 or would it work on android 4.1 with the same changes made to it?
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> adfad666, Ubuntu touch is one package with android and the touch combine dthat makes no sense.
[20:33] <adfad666> from the porting wiki it says ubuntu is simply runnung on top of a minimal android build, I'm wondering if that means it's relatively android version agnostic
[20:34] <tassadar_> I think it is, it just need some kernel options changed and doesn't really care about the android at all, as long as it can go to chroot
[20:36] <adfad666> I've got a tablet that simply refuses to run CM10.1 so i'm cherry-picking the changes made by Ricardo Salveti et al just to see if it works
[20:40] <k1l_> adfad666: it uses the android kernel and the displaymanager. not the android app system (which is a java VM)
[20:42] <adfad666> k1l_, I get that it doesn't use the app system, perhaps I should ask: does ubuntu touch depend on anything specific in the 4.2 display system or would any display system work?
[20:44] <k1l_> i dont know the state in which is ubuntu-touch right now. but it used to rely on the cm10.1 base. so if your device doesnt work with that its getting harder. best way is to name your device and look for that specific
[20:45] <adfad666> it's a Rockchip rk3066 tablet that I only have 4.1 binaries for.
[20:46] <adfad666> there now exist some 4.2 binaries for other tablets but none for my tablet's resolution
[20:59] <Alamo777> Hello all! I am willing to install an ubuntu mobile os on my china unkown android 4 device, is there any tutorial for that? Also is there a sence to do that? Is it oing to work faster and give me more proveleges like running python scripts on it and tracing gsm packets? thanks
[21:00] <user82> Alamo777, which device specifically?
[21:00] <Alamo777> user82, i dont know it is a phone i buy it from china website
[21:00] <Alamo777> some kind of fake samsung galaxy ii
[21:01] <Alamo777> on back it says samsumg:)))
[21:02] <user82> Alamo777, i really doubt that works...you need to access the boot loader and have a backup rom of your original android. without knowing the exact type of phone that is impossible i think
[21:02] <Alamo777> how i can know that?
[21:04] <user82> hah good question. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.electricsheep.asi&hl=de
[21:04] <user82> with a little luck
[21:04] <user82> china phones usually have a sticker where sim/battery is palced with a name on it too
[21:05] <Alamo777> oh that, just a moment i will check that
[21:05] <user82> probablly have to take the battery out...
[21:06] <Alamo777> ok it says mobile phone model n9300
[21:06] <user82> dual core Alamo777 ?
[21:06] <Alamo777> how i know that? with tha store app?
[21:06] <user82> uhm yeah i guess
[21:07] <user82> just look with the app i posted under CPU
[21:07] <Alamo777> just a moment i will boot up the device:)
[21:08] <user82> yep. buildinfos and cpu might help
[21:08] <user82> if you got that write it down and wait for someone to create a modified ubuntu image...i am sure it does not exist yet
[21:09] <Alamo777> user82, ok, please bear with me i my device is out of battery, just a moment i will get the info and come back later
[21:10] <user82> i am afk probablly. also you have to know: you can not install ubuntu touch on the device right now you need to be lucky if at any point but with the specific infos you can search for it
[21:10] <user82> maybe someone makes a ubuntu touch rom for your phone
[21:11] <Alamo777> where i can check that?
[21:11] <user82> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:11] <user82> here maybe
[21:11] <Alamo777> oh ok, anyway the app is almost installed just a second i will get the info and write here
[21:12] <user82> but i personally doubt someone makes a rom for this phone ever. the china phones are all different specs and not very well known
[21:13] <Alamo777> ok the buildinfos there is a bunch of information there
[21:13] <user82> just do the "export system infos"
[21:13] <user82> in the popup menu
[21:14] <user82> might remove some personal info. serial#, phone#, IMEI mostly
[21:14] <Alamo777> there is no any information regarding cpu cores?
[21:15] <user82> maybe the type/hardware?
[21:15] <Alamo777> it says cpu revision 1
[21:15] <user82> well there is some. "processor 0" "processor 1"
[21:15] <user82> etc
[21:15] <user82> if you have more than one core
[21:16] <user82> above "bogomips"
[21:16] <user82> and maybe "cpu implementer/aarchitecture/hardware"
[21:16] <Alamo777> ARMv7 Processor rev 1
[21:17] <user82> yeah that is true for many devices..not enough info to identify it
[21:17] <user82> nothing more??
[21:17] <Alamo777> CPU archivetcure 7
[21:18] <Alamo777> cpu implementator 0x41
[21:18] <Alamo777> cpu variant 0x0
[21:18] <Alamo777> xpu part 0xc05
[21:19] <Alamo777> freq ranga 400.0->1000.0mgz
[21:19] <Alamo777> wow i can also see the IMSI
[21:19] <Alamo777> :)
[21:20] <user82> hmh that could be a lot of cpu's...sorry
[21:20] <Alamo777> what you mean?
[21:21] <user82> not really enough info do identify the cpu. or the phone
[21:22] <Alamo777> i see, anyway if i install the ubuntu, will i be able to work mostly with GSM protocol?
[21:22] <Alamo777> if it be a samsung or known device for example?
[21:22] <user82> all the clones from china are almost the same. but it is a little problematic with china phones the tutorial that might work for one phone bricks the next one
[21:23] <user82> my guess is that you will not be able to install ubuntu touch on this phone ever. maybe get a used nexus 4 or wait for the nexus 5 if you really want ubuntu touch
[21:24] <Alamo777> i see, more i buy mobile devices more i love them:) I think i will never stop buying them and examining:) What you think is it possible to trace gprs signals and work with GSM protocol with ubuntu-touch? what are the benefits of that? I like to play and expore that stuff. Ok forget about device, but the system info program was very useful:) I want to know some abbilities using ubuntu-touch in working with GSM?
[21:25] <user82> sorry i am not a developer. i know a littel bit but just from a pure end user perspective
[21:26] <user82> but by end of may ubuntu touch is supposed to be "usable" with phone calls and 3g data. so yes it should work with GSM then!
[21:26] <Alamo777> oh i see, :) Thank you so much your help. Though i think it is cool to have a tablet with ubuntu-touch on it installed and running a webserver via wifi
[21:26] <user82> nexus 7...
[21:26] <user82> yeah
[21:26] <Alamo777> user82, wait a sec.....you cant make calls with ubuntu-touch???????
[21:26] <user82> i think it works with some devices. wait
[21:27] <user82> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#What_to_expect_after_flashing
[21:27] <user82> Connection to the GSM network (on Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4)
[21:27] <user82> Phone calls and SMS (on Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4)
[21:27] <Alamo777> what you mean nexus 7?
[21:28] <Alamo777> so it is not possible to install ubuntu-touch on iphone device right?
[21:28] <user82> if you scroll a little you can see the nexus 7 is the only tablet right now which is officialyl supported
[21:28] <Alamo777> oh ok
[21:28] <user82> no that will never work
[21:28] <user82> (likely...)
[21:28] <user82> there has been one android version for one iphone i think...but that is nonsense
[21:28] <user82> nexus 10 if you like expensive toys ;)
[21:29] <Alamo777> i have asus tf201
[21:29] <Alamo777> i see, so how much cost in the area nexus 7 where you live? Is it expensive?
[21:30] <user82> with that you might eventually be lucky. maybe someone ports it
[21:30] <user82> when ubuntu touch is ready i could really imagine it being ported to the tf201
[21:31] <Alamo777> i see
[21:31] <user82> nexus 7 is the "google tablet" http://www.google.com/nexus/7/
[21:31] <Alamo777> what about acer iconia? It is alot way powerfull then tf201 and nexux10 right?
[21:32] <user82> i read it has a intel atom. intel atom is a different cpu architecture ubuntu touch is not designed to run on.
[21:33] <Alamo777> user82, yes definitely it has atom and also i5 if i am not wrong
[21:34] <Alamo777> i saw on review how a dude was running the Mass Effect 3 on iconia with windows8 tablet
[21:34] <user82> might work yeah
[21:34] <Alamo777> So is it expensive in area where you live the nexus7 tablet?
[21:35] <user82> it is almost the same everywhere. $199 or €199 where avaiable
[21:36] <user82> in uk it might be different
[21:36] <user82> also there are different verions. with 3g internet, without etc
[21:36] <Alamo777> nexus 7 already has a sim card?
[21:36] <user82> there is one version with support for 3g internet. no calls
[21:37] <Alamo777> user82, but you can insert a sim card?
[21:37] <Alamo777> or some dongle adapter?
[21:37] <user82> yes sim card
[21:38] <Alamo777> never seen before, i think i was not quite careful when reading descriptions
[21:38] <Alamo777> that is awesome i think
[21:38] <user82> well ubuntu touch for now supports the "googel devices"
[21:38] <user82> but i am sure when it is usable others will be supported too
[21:39] <user82> also there is supposed to come out a new google phone this year. until then ubuntu might be fully usable. just be a little patient and see what happens
[21:39] <user82> other devices see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:40] <Alamo777> well, i can wait:) I ammostly  looking for device smalll powerfull and with sim support, which most of them dont
[21:40] <user82> under work in progress more tablets are listed
[21:41] <Alamo777> well as i understand the benefit of android is they work on all unknown devices as well, rather then known brands like ubuntu-touch does
[21:43] <Alamo777> Which is the best tablet today for you to  buy, the flagman tablet for you?
[21:43] <Alamo777> i mean the most powerfull
[21:54] <user82> Alamo777, i did not really follow recent hardware releases
[21:55] <user82> probably wait what will happen with the next generation nvidia tegra?
[21:55] <Alamo777> user82, oh ok, anyway thank you for your time, you helped me alot today:)
[21:55] <user82> glad i could help.
[21:55] <Alamo777> yes tegra is super i think
[21:56] <user82> tegra 4 is out very very soon...i think some manufacturers want their tablets with tegra 4 to be ready for cristmas or sooner
[21:56] <Alamo777> user82, super, one thing i still dont undersand does the ipad last generation is more powerfull then the latest android devices like asus tf301 etc?
[21:57] <user82> partitally. i think the gpu is yes
[21:57] <Alamo777> gpu of which one is more powerfull?
[21:58] <user82> the ipad gpu seems to be the most powerful one
[21:58] <user82> until tegra4 is out
[21:59] <Alamo777> i see.
[22:00] <Alamo777> user82, ok i have once more question:)
[22:01] <user82> that would be?
[22:02] <Alamo777> Which one is more powerfull latest MacBookPro or Asus G-series latest laptops? Sorry for such question
[22:03] <user82> uh..yeah you might go to #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[22:03] <user82> i think this dicussion is not wanted in the ubuntu touch channel sorry
[22:03] <Alamo777> :) i promiss this is the last question
[22:04] <Alamo777> Anyway thank you for explaining about ubuntu-touch, i think it will be best for me to wait for the end of the month and see the latest ubuntu-touch release and understand what is compatible for me to work with GSM protocol
[22:05] <user82> i think you can get them with the same cpu and gpu but i am not sure..grab the asus tech specs and the mac book ones and google. more oppinions on that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:05] <Alamo777> ok thanks!