=== andatche_ is now known as andatche [07:46] yoyo === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [09:17] good morning everyone, [09:25] There is a MartijnVdS here! [09:26] * brobostigon looks. [09:26] * brobostigon waves === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | next meeting TBA | ubuntu [10:01] Is it possible to boot into Linux off a >2.1TiB GPT partition without UEFI? [10:55] popey, Just this mail from moonpig , Just wondering if the R.A.t~ thing (beer train) was a complete success, if it will be an on-going thing, or if there was much success, If So, : how so ? [ http://bit.ly/ZROi8n ] [10:56] looks expensive [10:56] for 3 beers [10:56] and a bag of nuts [10:56] an average good beer here, is around £3, which aint too bad. [11:02] I'll get a beer from the bar maid, some time on Wednesday. Only good TV-eve. in the hotel. [11:02] Wonder if that french woman will be there from Bordeaux ? [11:03] * redtape|renegade 's has particular petulance for her crude stories, every Wednesday evening,. [11:10] Something just isn't right, when you miss the target, while playing darts, in a british pub~house, and curse in français. .. can't see why she keeps going every fortnight ? [11:31] does the bbc still show the f1 timing board on there site ? [11:39] brobostigon: is that not on F1's main site? [11:40] http://www.formula1.com/live_timing/ [11:40] StevenR: i have seen it on the bbc site before aswell, let me look at that also. [11:43] brobostigon: No , but if you google / Formula One LIVE timing and scoring / you should get it ... http://formula-one.speedtv.com/f1/results/ [11:43] redtape|renegade: ah, thats a new one, :) [11:44] yeah, had to scrape for that. [11:47] There's always this, but i wouldn't hack it well http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/ [11:50] Looks like fav. is in Montréal , this time in June :: http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/wiki/index :: [12:00] ice hockey! [12:00] (well, not tonight) [12:00] Any fans of the Fett here ? [12:01] MyrtiWhat time does it begin ? [12:02] Myrtti: ... ^ (??) [12:02] what time does what begin? [12:03] the ice hockey .. [12:03] well I'm watching all the Finnish team games [12:03] http://www.youtube.com/icehockey [12:03] they're not on until Tuesday [12:03] I'm not too interested in NHL [12:04] Oh , yeah .. here ... (timewise?) http://bit.ly/16rnL97 [12:06] redtape|renegade: if you scroll down a bit, you can see when the next games are streamed on Youtube, and add those on your Google Calendar or whatever you use. [12:06] it shows the times in whatever timezone you're in. [12:07] mind you, the stream is artificially delayed by 30 minutes. [12:07] (I have to put away my Facebook and Finnish IRC channels for the duration of the Finnish teams games) [12:09] Myrtti: Yeah :\ I 'ate sportings .. Apparently you'll see this gal in London this Summer .. but she's reformed now .. http://bit.ly/ZRUFZr ::: Faqibook ( you nutz ?) .. it's a marketing complex. [12:12] * redtape|renegade invokes a memory of a big blue button on the Angry berds website that ook you to the facebook local group .. X-( [12:13] it is on the bbc website, they just started it up, as the race started. [12:16] brobostigon: But not with lap times / trap times .. they recycle the yahoo feeds. [12:17] redtape|renegade: i see those here, go to the grand prix timings link, on the right on the live grand prix page. [12:24] brobostigon: It's something I'd say not to get involved with .. but here's my screenshot of that WebSite ::: http://bit.ly/12mOpMl .. just hope ppl judge the hamilton well again .. ::: http://bit.ly/14f1JlY ::: === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [13:03] ~ wondering if I should update my w.ww.wepay.com webLinks. (-: [13:27] OT | There must be some online guys who do watch-battery replacements .. ::: UK based ? :: I'm just thnking of all those watch without batteries.. :::::::::::::::::: http://bit.ly/10jNxrA :::::::::::: [13:40] morning [13:42] knightwise: Whaatsvp ? [13:42] nothing much. preparing blogposts for the upcoming week, fighting a pesty microsoft mouse that does not want to connect wirelessly [13:44] Yeah .. My point is .. With SEO ppl . if you dont update yur twiitter .. What's the point ? ::: https://twitter.com/SVP_CO_UK :::: [13:46] knightwise: Why prepare rather than just post? [13:48] I write up all the articles in the weekends and they get posted throughout the week [13:48] one every weekday [13:49] OT | At least they've bagged Moran | :: http://brne.ws/98z :::: nother~ blaggard gone =) .. AFAs the post .. what do you thnk of::: www.myhermes.co.uk for dropoff's ? ::::| [13:52] heh, 3D glasses at the cinema look exactly like my New glasses [13:53] * redtape|renegade still has his .. just walked in sayin' "I'm nickin' them". [13:55] * Myrtti puts the phone away [13:55] make me look like monkey thou. [14:05] * redtape|renegade wonders when his ePub-Catalogue Add-on for /Foxxy/ will update this month on his notebook ... ::: http://bit.ly/1621wHp ::: === mcs_ is now known as matt_symes [15:19] AlanChicken: OT | (AlanBell) 'know yur away but here's one for the BBq's. ::::: https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/332896838418046978 :: Any chance a Loco-UK DVD being sent yet ? [15:21] * redtape|renegade kinda says :: " Hope I've got the correct AlanBe. there ",. :-7 [15:25] !packages [15:25] You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !KPackageKit, !Adept, "apt-cache search ", or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 30000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways! [15:49] hmm how many times do you have to watch Primer? [15:56] haqhah [15:56] $many [15:56] I have watched it at least 3 times [15:57] still don't *quite* get it [15:57] * penguin42 just watched it the 1st time [15:57] it's rather good isn't it? [15:58] yes; I love the startup talk at the beginning (having done 3 but never quite that small...) [15:58] yeah, they did the tech stuff well, and the people and their homes look normal [15:58] heck, imdb says it was done on a budget of $7k [15:59] not like hollywood sets [15:59] yeah [15:59] well, that's because they ARE people's homes and not sets at that price! [15:59] ☻ [16:00] i quite fancy watching Inglorious Basterds again this evening [16:00] in a bit of a Christoph Waltz mood [16:00] hmm not seen that yet [16:00] worth it for him alone [16:00] along with Django Unchained which is *excellent* [16:05] nice thinks like the ancient Tek scopes and HP logic analysers they had scattered around [16:05] yeah, very few films pay attention to the detail like that [16:05] or they go too far and people obsess about it like the matrix using nmap [16:06] although again at that cost it was probably someones they borrowed/already had [16:29] popey: i hate tarantino but is inglorious worth watching? === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [16:30] (i also don't like films that rewrite history) [16:30] * penguin42 hasn't seen his newer stuff, but I liked his older fims [16:36] mungbean: you probably won't like it then. [16:41] it's not rewriting history, it's a film [16:41] no books were burned during the making of the film [16:41] * Note: some books make have been burned. [16:42] more likely scripts [16:43] its a WWII film right? [16:43] don't know any more than that. [16:43] Loosely [16:43] probably a bit wary since [16:43] 1) hollywood films rewrite WWII falsely [16:43] 2) QT has made some despicable films [16:44] Well Inglorious Basterds is an unapologetic rewrite [16:44] 3) hollywood regurgitates films and stories, for pointless sequels. [16:44] rewrite of a true story? [16:44] no [16:44] Well, yes, rewrite of WWII [16:45] oh :( [16:45] 4) hollywood should come up with more original ideas. [16:45] if i install my Ubuntu 12.04.2 onto a USB hard disk on a legacy BIOS PC, and then want this USB hard disk to be boot and run from a UEFI PC. Is this even possible? [16:45] 5) hollywood is about money. european cinema is about telling a story (usually) [16:45] But in kind of a .... er, fun? way... [16:45] cocoa117: depends on the UEFI computer [16:46] cocoa117: it may be able to boot in bios mode [16:46] or not [16:46] brobostigon: you want an "original idea" that isn't set in anything like anything that already happened? [16:46] oh, there's a film from 1978 [16:46] mungbean: which despicable films? [16:46] 6) they coulld have done a better job with the HHGTTG film. [16:46] reservoir dogs, [16:47] BigRedS: well, that might be somewhat difficult. [16:47] There's an awful lot of good (IMO) fiction set in real places/times, and it's helpful to make use of a universe of which your audience is already aware [16:47] brobostigon: I think the h2g2 film was pretty good considering [16:47] pulp fiction [16:47] resovoir dogs and pulp fiction are "dispicable" films? [16:47] riiiiiight [16:47] funkyHat: pretty good, yes, but deviated from some of douglas adam's production notes for the film, in some major ways. [16:47] popey, does this mean, all the error should be in the UEFI booting proceedure, once the kernel and initrd is loaded, the Ubuntu should functioning regardless the BIOS or UEFI below it? [16:48] reservoir dogs glorifies violence in such an extreme way [16:48] Inglorious Basterds wasn't a rewrite of WWII. It's fiction set in WWII [16:48] in fact, the whole film is about extreme violence that made me sick to the stomach [16:48] cocoa117: I suspect it is, I mean if you think about the install thumb drives they'll boot on pretty much anything [16:48] brobostigon: I wasn't privy to Adams' notes, so I didn't notice ;) [16:48] * penguin42 hands mungbean an ear [16:48] is this related film? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076584/?ref_=sr_2 [16:48] mungbean: you wont like Django Unchained [16:48] Made it into Nova Prospect. Wondering if I should have a break or keep going [16:49] haha [16:49] no i avoid QT since his early stuff [16:49] you're such a prude ☻ [16:49] or maybe you're desentitizede [16:49] typing fail [16:49] if i install my Ubuntu 12.04.2 onto a USB hard disk on a legacy BIOS PC, and then want this USB hard disk to be boot and run from a UEFI PC. Is this even possible? <-- you will install it in 16-bit 8086 mode. every uefi system i've encountered can boot in this mode, not exclusively in uefi mode [16:49] the res dogs and PF violence is grim [16:49] funkyHat: it was only meant to be representative of the first book, where in there did trisha and arthur gets action together nowhere. [16:49] i saw RD without warning as it was the first day it came out [16:49] oddly, I don't have a problem with the violence in PF, but res dogs is a bit heavy for me [16:49] felt like walking out [16:50] oh i am absolutely desensitized [16:50] penguin42: yes i sort of enjoyed PF when i came out [16:50] but it's about degrees of desensitising [16:50] brobostigon: right but that happens in films all the time. Best not to be annoyed by such things [16:50] there are films i will turn off after ~2 mins [16:50] but later showings with the brain in the hair etc and guns in every scene made me dislike it now [16:50] directhex, what do u mean by install in 16-bit mode? I only know the Ubuntu I installed is 64 bit [16:51] cocoa117, classic BIOS-based booting [16:51] funkyHat: they didnt follow his instructions, plain and simple. they had to mess with it. something that could have been perfect, wasnt. [16:51] * penguin42 lokes Kill Bill as well [16:51] since largely giving up on hollywood films a few years ago, it changes your perspective [16:51] i [16:51] i watch violent/gritty stuff like spiral [16:51] brobostigon: I would suggest that no film ever to be made will live up to your expectations of "perfect" ;D [16:52] but holywood glorifies guns/violence so much you wonder why they have problems [16:52] funkyHat: 2001 is perfect. [16:52] brobostigon: the book isn't even canon [16:52] directhex, bit confused, if the UEFI computer support USB booting, and be able to run the Grub2, then it should be able to load linux kernel, right? from that it should run? or some linux kernel need to be reconfigured [16:53] Maybe screenwriters don't get paid as much for stuff that's less adapted, so they always mess with stuff? ;) [16:53] every DNA rewrite deviated from the previous one [16:53] i watched a film called bombon el perro yesterday, was rather sweet [16:53] dirk gently is better anyhow [16:53] cocoa117, if you prepare it such that it boots on BIOS systems, your USB stick will only boot on BIOS-based systems. however, *most* UEFI systems can emulate BIOS and boot BIOS-only boot loaders [16:53] +1 [16:55] directhex, ok, let's put it this way then. If i installed the Ubuntu 64 bit on USB hard disk on a UEFI pc, does this mean, the legacy PC won't run my ubuntu? because the booting procedure on BIOS for Grub2 is different? [16:56] I think I have a nice view from my desk now :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pypoe60n6wjpaq/IMG_20130512_173836.jpg?m [16:56] cocoa117: worst case you might need to "repair" grub after moving/copying the hard drive [16:56] cocoa117, if the installer boots in UEFI mode, then yes, you'd make a UEFI-only drive that can't boot in a "normal" system [16:56] funkyHat, wrong. please don't. [16:56] cocoa117, if the installer boots in BIOS emulation mode, then you'd make a BIOS-compatible drive [16:57] directhex, the BIOS-compatible drive meaning the driver for Linux kernel, right? [16:57] cocoa117, and if your UEFI system is configured to boot both UEFI and BIOS mode drives, you won't know which mode you're installing in, and it'll be an exciting roulette [16:57] directhex: is it not possible to run grub-install (from chroot or similar)? I agree it's more straightfoward to make sure it's set up with a regular BIOS compatible bootloader in the first place [16:58] funkyHat, it won't help the specific case, not without risking breaking it [17:01] cocoa117, okay, there are two things: BIOS systems and UEFI systems partition their disks differently. and BIOS and UEFI systems use totally different boot loaders (i.e. UEFI GRUB is not BIOS GRUB) [17:01] directhex, ohhh, the disk partition is also different, ok, got it, that's why this thing is so hard to mix [17:02] can you install in such a way that both work? mmmmmmmmm........... as long as you're not dual-booting with windows, i think so. but you'd need to do it manually [17:03] huh, PM spam. That's a new one on me [17:03] BIOS systems use "MBR" partitioning. UEFI systems use "GPT" partitioning. [17:03] directhex, yes, MBR and GPT, now that rings bell [17:05] hi guys, if a c program crashes on ubuntu, any one know where the core file will go? [17:05] directhex, ok, i guess, even the UEFI does boot the Grub2 loader at the first place, the way handle the USB hard disk's partition is also going to be trouble for pure UEFI system [17:06] cocoa117, and BIOS systems boot by booting something like 200 bytes of 16-bit 8086 machine code at the start of the disk, whilst UEFI systems boot by loading an UEFI application from your UEFI system parition [17:06] directhex, same as legacy BIOS to handle GPT [17:06] directhex, ok, got it, i think i start to the whole picture [17:07] glad i'm not having chicken korma tonight after that nappy change [17:07] well, that was Star Trek Into the Darkness [17:07] well, the GPT spec is written in such a way that you could use a GPT disk to boot on a BIOS system. windows doesn't support it, but linux can do it. but you'd need to install grub into the fake MBR at the start of the disk, instead of in a UEFI system partition [17:07] pretty, but not entirely surprising [17:08] Myrtti: to calibrate, what was your opinion of the 2009 film? [17:10] moreati: more surprising. [17:10] mind you, I did wring my hands and tipped my popcorn bag a bit [17:10] directhex, does that mean, i need to install grub into MBR for legacy BIOS to boot, and also have partition called UEFI, so the UEFI system can boot it as well? [17:10] directhex, enn, that does sound complicated [17:11] Myrtti: thanks, think I'll wait for it to hit rental [17:22] popey: cocoa117: I thnk this has been updated :: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_x86_1304&num=1 :: [comparison article x32 V x64 ] [17:30] * redtape|renegade reaches for a Border Crofters Crunch Biscuit ::https://diasp.eu/posts/995886 :: [17:32] redtape|renegade: Head or feet first? [17:35] penguin42: Definitely two heads at once .. prob.ly embracing the box aswell. <|:0 [18:09] goodness, the ads on this site are a nightmare [18:09] phoronix. [18:09] * nucc1 installs adblock. [18:09] can't move mouse without something popping up [18:14] nucc1: You've got NoScript too, right ? [18:15] redtape|renegade, no, i find javascript essential. i have no qualms with ads generally, just that phoronix uses them irresponsibly. [18:16] * redtape|renegade thinks AdBlocker + NoScript stop him from watching pr0n. [18:16] lol. porn is done on mobile. [18:17] poor twitcam thou. @~)~~~~ [18:18] anyway, the article leaves me indifferent. [18:18] the phoronix one ? [18:18] yea, about 64-bit vs 32 bit. [18:18] try /book reviews, much better. [18:19] don't need any convincing. [18:19] i ditched 32 bit long ago. [18:19] and the performance differences are irrelevant. I'm not doing exascale number crunching. [18:19] a few milliseconds here and there will not make or mar my computing. [18:20] nucc1: Prob.ly right ::http://bit.ly/15CH4Nh :: [18:21] lol [18:38] can someone help i have a problem when i run virtualbox or vmware player my connection shows multipal connections [19:01] hey [19:02] can anybody help me find the image-line folder in ubuntu??? [19:02] !package What package are you using ? [19:02] redtape|renegade: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:03] !package [19:03] You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !KPackageKit, !Adept, "apt-cache search ", or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 30000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways! [19:03] i want to find my fl studio installation using wine [19:03] but i cant find image-line folder [19:23] popey: I made it :) [19:23] popey: the new tire held up ;) [19:26] MartijnVdS: Please don't initiate a pony car arguement again .. it's been busy as enough .. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/11%20Good%20As%20Gold.m4a [19:27] ? [19:27] dont you remember .. [19:28] you take nearly aN HOUR TO SEE IF BATTERIES WORK AGAIN .. =8) [19:28] SOZ FOR CAPS. [19:28] soz for caps. [19:31] MartijnVdS: Yay! [19:32] Only have EDGE here though [19:32] sooo slloooowww [19:32] at least I won't use up my GB at this rate :P [19:33] :( [19:33] brobostigon: I'm in Washford, in a valley [19:33] MartijnVdS: i dont know the place, but yes, that doesnt help being in a valley. [19:34] brobostigon: google maps it :) [19:34] MartijnVdS: good plan batman, :) [19:37] I'm oing to shut down the laptop.. bye! :) [19:37] MartijnVdS: Am I getting any closer on the car-way thing ? :: http://bit.ly/19g0iVl :: [19:37] bye MartijnVdS o/ [19:38] and stop spoiling the weather MartijnVdS [19:38] my heating came on yesterday [19:41] * redtape|renegade can't wait till 9.00pm to see f the outbreak has arrived from Français. [19:41] **if the o... [19:47] oh dear, sky have their own version of click, called swipe [19:49] mungbean: mymy .. I guess it must use RuNet , then. :> [19:49] mungbean: Sky the TV company, and click the BBC News programme? [19:50] moreati: yeps .. It's BSKYB & beeb, over here. [19:50] to answer my own question, yes http://go.sky.com/vod/content/SKYNEWS/content/videoId/7cbb6467170ca310VgnVCM1000000b43150a________/content/default/videoDetailsPage.do [19:50] yes [19:50] woops, my provided tv statistics are working beautifully. :) [19:51] yay [19:51] it was only ten mins thankfully [19:51] irc* [19:51] dont usually watch sky but bbc had some boring gubbins on [19:51] balls, my channel statistics are working great :) [19:52] redtape|renegade: not sure what you mean, but to clear any misconceptions: I'm in the UK [19:53] moreati: surething BSYB = Sky ... BBC= beeb. [19:53] yes... [19:53] just dotiing the I's and crossing the T's. [19:53] ok [19:54] BSKYB* [19:54] brobostigon: troo. [19:54] redtape|renegade: :) [19:55] ebay is no longer a place for good deals :( [19:55] postage kills it [19:56] mungbean: You can get a free package measure-er and packaging has come down a lot. [19:59] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_four [19:59] whopps.ie [20:03] OT | no outbreak .. looks like the ziombie birds are at home. [20:03] **zombie birds .. are .. === webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [20:53] hi [20:54] sebsebseb: Hi there .. you seen Jono's video's lately .. from last week ? [20:54] redtape|renegade: the Q&A ? [20:54] yep. [20:54] or what do you mean ? [20:55] redtape|renegade: I think I was in it last week, maybe not [20:55] don't remember [20:55] what about it ? [20:55] i didn't watch it .. did i miss much ? [20:55] redtape|renegade: probably not realy, it will be ther some where [20:55] online [20:56] did he grow up and play the guitar again ? [20:56] redtape|renegade: think so [20:57] thanx for your input . i know you ask some brilliant questions' [20:57] redtape|renegade: maybe I do a really great talk to :d I hope so, going to be doing one in a few weeks [20:57] 30 minute talk! === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [20:58] * redtape|renegade boots another daily image of Xubuntu on the wee-book. [20:58] The evening be good AlanBell . [21:03] Yay . they've sorted out the Wifi light on my netbook .. no more wrapping the case in tin foil B-) [21:05] AlanBell: Haven't TL;DR 'd you for a while .. how's the front garden Jap. tree ? [21:15] hi redtape|renegade [21:15] oh yeah, DVDs :( [21:16] I was hoping something would be done about DVDs this cycle - or some kind of alternative [21:16] but it seems there won't be anything until 14.04 [21:16] I can send the rest of the 12.10 DVDs I have [21:18] AlanBell, dvd's would be useful for events etc [21:19] in general even if canonical keep pressing 12.10 discs for now [21:24] it will contine to produce LTS ones until the next LTS [21:24] AlanBell: ^ [21:24] AlanBell: Yeah, the 12.10 DVD's will do fine .. do you need some stamps .. I did send a note a while ago. [21:27] redtape|renegade: yeah, I have your note, still in a desk drawer, I will try and send them this week some time [21:27] czajkowski: Good wheally good pic. By The Way .. http://bit.ly/163c5Kh [21:27] czajkowski: for conference packs and things but not loco allocations I think? [21:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KaOC9danxNo#! awesome level off the planet [21:30] opening ... [21:31] redtape|renegade: bit stalkerish there ;) [21:31] AlanBell: yeah if needed [21:32] czajkowski: Do you want me to delete it ? [21:32] redtape|renegade: I care not tbh, just find it a bit odd you'd post it tbh [21:32] as I said a bit stalkerish [21:32] it's binned. [21:48] AlanBell: it's prob.ly non-applicable, but here's my cosmonaut post :: https://plus.google.com/102239783463620737215/posts/FMn47GVPTzf [21:59] czajkowski: I'm yet to mail gllug about hackntalk. What should I link to as a "for more about this" sort of thing? Eventbrite? [22:06] BigRedS: She must be away .. there are wiki's to update if you need a channel. https://cryptoparty.org/wiki/Greater_London (by all means choose the webpage.) [22:22] Hm? Nah, I wanted her canonical description of it === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [23:21] OT | Time for a bit of Mulch :: | http://open.spotify.com/track/69TA1l42ALrlviGs4KI1Z4