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| grantbow | hi MichaelPaoli | 19:39 |
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| MichaelPaoli | Hi. | 19:39 |
| grantbow | Thanks for getting online from berekeleylug.com today - how's the turnout? | 19:40 |
| MichaelPaoli | Oh, small. Maybe I'll have few if any 'objections' on type of pizza. ;-) | 19:40 |
| MichaelPaoli | Nice weather, Mother's Day ... some competition out there. | 19:41 |
| grantbow | yeah, I got to working on the blog and am having trouble finding the hour each way time to get there | 19:41 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yup ... that travel time adds up. | 19:41 |
| grantbow | as you know | 19:42 |
| grantbow | so let me know if there are any questions I can answer, especially about IRC today! http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1203 | 19:42 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Blog Archive » Internet Relay Chat] | 19:42 |
| MichaelPaoli | Quite true. Hence my rule-of-thumb on commutes - keep it under an hour. Longest commute I ever had was about 2.5 hours ... each way. | 19:42 |
| MichaelPaoli | Okay, sure - thanks. | 19:43 |
| grantbow | I had one of those and I'll never do that again | 19:43 |
| grantbow | 5 hours a day is not worth it | 19:43 |
| grantbow | I've been hacking on http://www.grantbow.com/irc.html too | 19:43 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Learning IRC] | 19:43 |
| grantbow | please give my regards to everyone there and invite them into irc ;-) | 19:44 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yeah, ... was my 'starving student' days - in the Summer, ... commute sucked like hell, but I had time, and, even after subtracting out commute costs - it was more $$ for the Summer's work with that hellishly long commute. | 19:44 |
| MichaelPaoli | Okay, will do. | 19:44 |
| grantbow | commute-- | 19:44 |
| grantbow | I was a student at the time too | 19:44 |
| MichaelPaoli | These are the ISO images I've got ... updated the list a bit more earlier today: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc | 19:45 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [balug:cds_and_images_etc [BALUG Wiki]] | 19:45 |
| grantbow | excellent | 19:45 |
| grantbow | I saw your berkeleylug.com post earlier this week, thank you. | 19:45 |
| grantbow | Did Jack make it? I talked to him yesterday at Ian's wedding and he said he was probably busy. | 19:46 |
| MichaelPaoli | No - haven't seen or heard from Jack ... not since last time he was here at the meeting - at least that's last I recall, anyway. Not sure about all the lists 'n such. | 19:47 |
| MichaelPaoli | Hmmmm, know good source for fairly inexpensive flash (e.g. USB, or microSD)? in like the 1G to 4G capacity range? I think Tony mentioned some at CostCo ... for ... I'm presuming $1.40 ea. @ 4G http://bad.debian.net/list/2013-May/003548.html | 19:49 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [wheezy is OUT. tonight. Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: BAD meeting for2013-05 (and mini-installfests, and ...)] | 19:49 |
| * MichaelPaoli . o O ( silly bot ) | 19:50 | |
| grantbow | I was looking for cheap bulk flash usb sticks awhile back | 19:50 |
| grantbow | there are local sales | 19:50 |
| grantbow | That's a really good price | 19:51 |
| akk | I've never found a source for those either. | 19:51 |
| MichaelPaoli | True ... I did see ... I think it was 8G at or below $4.00 USD on sale at - I think it was Office Depot - a while back. | 19:51 |
| grantbow | hi akk | 19:51 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yup - I'd like to find good source for <= $2.00 USD ea. ... ideally under $1.00 ea. And capacity of 1G or more ... 4G would be nice, but 1G would do ... for a while, anyway. | 19:52 |
| grantbow | amazon has deals, that's where I go now. I ordered from http://theflashstore.com but they are expensive compared to alternatives now. | 19:53 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [TheFlashStore - Micro SD, SDHC, CF Memory, USB Flash, CD, DVD, Batteries & More!] | 19:53 |
| akk | I always wonder where all the old small sticks go, when they stop selling them in stores. | 19:53 |
| MichaelPaoli | I did look wee bit at CostCo the other day - they've got some, e.g. 10 packs of 8G ... decent prices, but not down around the price each I'd like to find. | 19:53 |
| akk | You'd think there would be places to get small old ones in bulk. | 19:53 |
| grantbow | akk: exactly! | 19:53 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yup, clearance sales - warehouse clearance sales ... something like that ... one would think. | 19:53 |
| akk | I wanted some to pass out to a class, so they could save their work and take it home with them. | 19:53 |
| MichaelPaoli | Of course since (almost?) all of 'em aren't made in the USA, maybe when they stop making 'em, they go to overseas markets - after all, ship 'em to here then, and that's fair bit pricier? Maybe demand elsewehre absorbs 'em at reduced prices before they ever make it to here (US). | 19:54 |
| grantbow | I have wanted on more than one occasion to pass out olpcsf.org related images and ubuntu-california.org images | 19:56 |
| MichaelPaoli | A while back, I did find good price on microSD/microSDHC USB readers - I think under $2.00 for qty as low as 10, and under $1.00 ea. for qty. somewhere below 50. | 19:56 |
| grantbow | people just don't sell bulk stuff for cheap | 19:56 |
| grantbow | right, bulk with a large enough order is possible | 19:56 |
| grantbow | but I couldn't shell out for a large enough quantity by myself | 19:56 |
| MichaelPaoli | True, ... packaging, inventory management, handling, ... pro'lly cost about a dollar of overhead each. But ... in quantity ... but have to find where to source 'em in quantity. | 19:57 |
| MichaelPaoli | Well, maybe get enough folks together in on a combined order. Have to watch out on quality, though. There are some - including 'fakes', that are of exceedingly poor quality. And yes, thus far I've got two dead USB sticks - and they didn't even get all that much usage. | 19:58 |
| grantbow | a search for "usb flash drive" then click on 1GB on the left turned up a bunch of vendors at $2 or so each. | 19:58 |
| akk | Same here, "bulk" to me means 10 or 20, not 500. | 19:59 |
| MichaelPaoli | I do really like the idea of inexpensive microSD/microSDHC USB 'readers' ... that plus microSD/microSDHC - at sufficiently low cost. Keep the physical storage size *way* down. :-) | 20:01 |
| grantbow | $7 for 8GB is the best kingston deal on amazon now. though for $10 you get 16GB now which seems a better deal to me | 20:01 |
| grantbow | good idea | 20:02 |
| akk | I have one of those small usb uSD readers EFF was passing out at a conference (plus another one I bought -- it was very cheap). | 20:02 |
| akk | The little flat ones. | 20:02 |
| grantbow | There has got to be price fixing going on. Those readers go for $1 each | 20:02 |
| MichaelPaoli | Well, in $/G - I've seen it occasionally dip below the $0.50/G price - that seems to be around 8G capacity - sweet spot on $/G seems to be around 8 or 16G ... at least last I peeked. | 20:02 |
| akk | But the actual uSD card still costs money. | 20:02 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yeah, I've got two such microSD(etc.) USB 'readers' ... of course they also work for writing. :-) | 20:04 |
| * grantbow nods | 20:04 | |
| MichaelPaoli | True, the microSD and such, are still more expensive on the $/G ... at least for the smaller capacities - they seem to be closer in price in the mid-range capacities - then again more expensive in the higher capacities. | 20:04 |
| grantbow | This is an interesting list of bestsellers http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3151491/ | 20:06 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Amazon Best Sellers: best USB Flash Drives] | 20:06 |
| grantbow | I actually got quotes from several of the bulk USB companies at one point but the minimum order seemed to be in the 50 range. | 20:39 |
| grantbow | prices change quickly too | 20:40 |
| MichaelPaoli | Well, 50 might be doable ... at least split among say, 2 to 5 or so people - could probably come up with that. E.g. between Bay Area Ubuntu/BALUG/SF-LUG/... folks, likely not too hard to do. | 20:42 |
| MichaelPaoli | But of course, too, not necessarily everyone wants quite the same thing (what capacity, and what $/G or $/unit ?) | 20:43 |
| MichaelPaoli | More and more systems these days don't even come with optical drives, yet at the same time, many older systems won't boot or won't boot reliably from USB - if they even have USB. "Of course" Ubuntu has somewhat higher hardware requirements currently, than many other Linux distributions - but "of course", it does vary quite a bit among distributions. So, ... given Ubuntu's hardware requirements - at least for the sta | 20:48 |
| akk | Ubuntu hasn't run well on my too-old-to-boot-from-USB systems for nearly 2 years now. | 20:58 |
| MichaelPaoli | Yup, that doesn't surprise me at all. 12.04 won't even boot - at least the standard version - on my old T40p, as it requires CPU that with PAE support, and the Pentium-M CPU doesn't have that ... but ... 10.04 works 'fine' on it, as does Debian i386. | 21:05 |
| grantbow | debian +1 | 21:07 |
| * MichaelPaoli grins. | 21:13 | |
| MichaelPaoli | And Ilsa has arrived here now. | 21:13 |
| MichaelPaoli | ... and now we're up to 3 people here! | 21:14 |
| MarkDude | Debian- good enough to trust your life to whilst in space | 21:49 |
| * MichaelPaoli grins. | 22:00 | |
| MarkDude | True story. | 22:02 |
| * grantbow grins | 23:14 | |
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