=== Adran is now known as adran === adran is now known as Adran === jtatum_ is now known as jtatum [19:39] hi MichaelPaoli [19:39] Hi. [19:40] Thanks for getting online from berekeleylug.com today - how's the turnout? [19:40] Oh, small. Maybe I'll have few if any 'objections' on type of pizza. ;-) [19:41] Nice weather, Mother's Day ... some competition out there. [19:41] yeah, I got to working on the blog and am having trouble finding the hour each way time to get there [19:41] Yup ... that travel time adds up. [19:42] as you know [19:42] so let me know if there are any questions I can answer, especially about IRC today! http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1203 [19:42] Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Blog Archive » Internet Relay Chat] [19:42] Quite true. Hence my rule-of-thumb on commutes - keep it under an hour. Longest commute I ever had was about 2.5 hours ... each way. [19:43] Okay, sure - thanks. [19:43] I had one of those and I'll never do that again [19:43] 5 hours a day is not worth it [19:43] I've been hacking on http://www.grantbow.com/irc.html too [19:43] Title: [Learning IRC] [19:44] please give my regards to everyone there and invite them into irc ;-) [19:44] Yeah, ... was my 'starving student' days - in the Summer, ... commute sucked like hell, but I had time, and, even after subtracting out commute costs - it was more $$ for the Summer's work with that hellishly long commute. [19:44] Okay, will do. [19:44] commute-- [19:44] I was a student at the time too [19:45] These are the ISO images I've got ... updated the list a bit more earlier today: http://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc [19:45] Title: [balug:cds_and_images_etc [BALUG Wiki]] [19:45] excellent [19:45] I saw your berkeleylug.com post earlier this week, thank you. [19:46] Did Jack make it? I talked to him yesterday at Ian's wedding and he said he was probably busy. [19:47] No - haven't seen or heard from Jack ... not since last time he was here at the meeting - at least that's last I recall, anyway. Not sure about all the lists 'n such. [19:49] Hmmmm, know good source for fairly inexpensive flash (e.g. USB, or microSD)? in like the 1G to 4G capacity range? I think Tony mentioned some at CostCo ... for ... I'm presuming $1.40 ea. @ 4G http://bad.debian.net/list/2013-May/003548.html [19:49] Title: [wheezy is OUT. tonight. Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: BAD meeting for2013-05 (and mini-installfests, and ...)] [19:50] * MichaelPaoli . o O ( silly bot ) [19:50] I was looking for cheap bulk flash usb sticks awhile back [19:50] there are local sales [19:51] That's a really good price [19:51] I've never found a source for those either. [19:51] True ... I did see ... I think it was 8G at or below $4.00 USD on sale at - I think it was Office Depot - a while back. [19:51] hi akk [19:52] Yup - I'd like to find good source for <= $2.00 USD ea. ... ideally under $1.00 ea. And capacity of 1G or more ... 4G would be nice, but 1G would do ... for a while, anyway. [19:53] amazon has deals, that's where I go now. I ordered from http://theflashstore.com but they are expensive compared to alternatives now. [19:53] Title: [TheFlashStore - Micro SD, SDHC, CF Memory, USB Flash, CD, DVD, Batteries & More!] [19:53] I always wonder where all the old small sticks go, when they stop selling them in stores. [19:53] I did look wee bit at CostCo the other day - they've got some, e.g. 10 packs of 8G ... decent prices, but not down around the price each I'd like to find. [19:53] You'd think there would be places to get small old ones in bulk. [19:53] akk: exactly! [19:53] Yup, clearance sales - warehouse clearance sales ... something like that ... one would think. [19:53] I wanted some to pass out to a class, so they could save their work and take it home with them. [19:54] Of course since (almost?) all of 'em aren't made in the USA, maybe when they stop making 'em, they go to overseas markets - after all, ship 'em to here then, and that's fair bit pricier? Maybe demand elsewehre absorbs 'em at reduced prices before they ever make it to here (US). [19:56] I have wanted on more than one occasion to pass out olpcsf.org related images and ubuntu-california.org images [19:56] A while back, I did find good price on microSD/microSDHC USB readers - I think under $2.00 for qty as low as 10, and under $1.00 ea. for qty. somewhere below 50. [19:56] people just don't sell bulk stuff for cheap [19:56] right, bulk with a large enough order is possible [19:56] but I couldn't shell out for a large enough quantity by myself [19:57] True, ... packaging, inventory management, handling, ... pro'lly cost about a dollar of overhead each. But ... in quantity ... but have to find where to source 'em in quantity. [19:58] Well, maybe get enough folks together in on a combined order. Have to watch out on quality, though. There are some - including 'fakes', that are of exceedingly poor quality. And yes, thus far I've got two dead USB sticks - and they didn't even get all that much usage. [19:58] a search for "usb flash drive" then click on 1GB on the left turned up a bunch of vendors at $2 or so each. [19:59] Same here, "bulk" to me means 10 or 20, not 500. [20:01] I do really like the idea of inexpensive microSD/microSDHC USB 'readers' ... that plus microSD/microSDHC - at sufficiently low cost. Keep the physical storage size *way* down. :-) [20:01] $7 for 8GB is the best kingston deal on amazon now. though for $10 you get 16GB now which seems a better deal to me [20:02] good idea [20:02] I have one of those small usb uSD readers EFF was passing out at a conference (plus another one I bought -- it was very cheap). [20:02] The little flat ones. [20:02] There has got to be price fixing going on. Those readers go for $1 each [20:02] Well, in $/G - I've seen it occasionally dip below the $0.50/G price - that seems to be around 8G capacity - sweet spot on $/G seems to be around 8 or 16G ... at least last I peeked. [20:02] But the actual uSD card still costs money. [20:04] Yeah, I've got two such microSD(etc.) USB 'readers' ... of course they also work for writing. :-) [20:04] * grantbow nods [20:04] True, the microSD and such, are still more expensive on the $/G ... at least for the smaller capacities - they seem to be closer in price in the mid-range capacities - then again more expensive in the higher capacities. [20:06] This is an interesting list of bestsellers http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3151491/ [20:06] Title: [Amazon Best Sellers: best USB Flash Drives] [20:39] I actually got quotes from several of the bulk USB companies at one point but the minimum order seemed to be in the 50 range. [20:40] prices change quickly too [20:42] Well, 50 might be doable ... at least split among say, 2 to 5 or so people - could probably come up with that. E.g. between Bay Area Ubuntu/BALUG/SF-LUG/... folks, likely not too hard to do. [20:43] But of course, too, not necessarily everyone wants quite the same thing (what capacity, and what $/G or $/unit ?) [20:48] More and more systems these days don't even come with optical drives, yet at the same time, many older systems won't boot or won't boot reliably from USB - if they even have USB. "Of course" Ubuntu has somewhat higher hardware requirements currently, than many other Linux distributions - but "of course", it does vary quite a bit among distributions. So, ... given Ubuntu's hardware requirements - at least for the sta [20:58] Ubuntu hasn't run well on my too-old-to-boot-from-USB systems for nearly 2 years now. [21:05] Yup, that doesn't surprise me at all. 12.04 won't even boot - at least the standard version - on my old T40p, as it requires CPU that with PAE support, and the Pentium-M CPU doesn't have that ... but ... 10.04 works 'fine' on it, as does Debian i386. [21:07] debian +1 [21:13] * MichaelPaoli grins. [21:13] And Ilsa has arrived here now. [21:14] ... and now we're up to 3 people here! [21:49] Debian- good enough to trust your life to whilst in space [22:00] * MichaelPaoli grins. [22:02] True story. [23:14] * grantbow grins