[10:53] <rick_h_> bah humbug for non-idlers
[11:00] <rick_h_> blog post it is then, probably better that way anyway
[13:55] <rick_h_> jcsackett: got linky for the reviews you need?
[13:56] <jcsackett> rick_h_: https://codereview.appspot.com/9337043/
[13:58] <rick_h_> jcsackett: cool, will look over in a min
[14:00] <jcsackett> rick_h_: thanks.
[14:21]  * gary_poster restarts after installing updates...
[15:50] <gary_poster> hatch, you here today?
[15:51] <gary_poster> rick_h_, you want to talk today?  May just be us around these parts today. :-)  If you'd like to chat that would be great, but if you want to skip the meeting in 9 that's fine by me too
[15:52] <rick_h_> gary_poster: stand up in 9? or are you asking about killing it for today due to lack of attendance?
[15:52] <gary_poster> rick_h_, yes
[15:52] <gary_poster> the latter
[15:53] <gary_poster> wdyt?
[15:53] <hatch> gary_poster: going to use today as swap but I could pick another day if needed
[15:53] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, skipping is cool with me. I don't know if jcsackett had anything he wanted to bring up
[15:53] <gary_poster> hatch, swap away :-)
[15:53] <hatch> great - I should be around home most of the day doing yard/house work so I'll check back to see if I'm needed :)
[15:54] <gary_poster> cool thanks hatch.  have a good one
[15:54] <hatch> you too
[15:54] <gary_poster> rick_h_, cool.  happy to meet if jcsackett would like to, but so far we are -0 on the meeting :-)
[15:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr, sounds like a plan to me
[15:55] <gary_poster> cool thanks rick_h_ .  ttyl, & feel free to ping if you'd like.
[16:12] <rick_h_> gary_poster: actually, do you have time for a quick guichat? 
[16:12] <gary_poster> sure rick_h_ , joining
[16:23] <gary_poster> th new google hangout "dropout" animation is...interesting
[16:46] <gary_poster> m_3, you around today?  I have two questions you might be able to help with.  First, if we wanted to make a fluentd charm, we would need to change some values that require a machine reboot (max # of file descriptors).  Is that possible/supported in a hook?  Second, I'd like to have a charm be able to easily say that it provides an interface in both the global and container scopes (so both regular charms and subordin
[16:46] <gary_poster> ates can use it).  Do you have to declare the interface twice, one for each scope, or is there a way to combine them?
[16:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so I'm looking and notice that the routing tests use a module juju-routing, but I can't find any code that creates a module in that namespace?
[16:48] <gary_poster> rick_h_, heh, confirmed
[16:48] <gary_poster> rick_h_, looks like cruft
[16:48] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ok cool then
[16:48]  * rick_h_ digs more. 
[17:23] <m_3> gary_poster: hey
[17:24] <m_3> gary_poster: so not sure what to do about a reboot.. some providers can survive it... some can't
[17:24] <m_3> gary_poster: well... _couldn't_ perhaps lxc is fixed wrt reboots not
[17:24] <m_3> s/not/now/
[17:25] <rick_h_> m_3: I heard about that. I think it's fixed or about to be? 
[17:25] <m_3> rick_h_: the lxc reboot fix that made headlines was containers surviving host reboot
[17:26] <rick_h_> m_3: ah
[17:26] <m_3> rick_h_: there was also some probs with container reboots at one point
[17:26] <m_3> I'd have to test to see which providers that really worked with... rebooting for config is a tough one though... be nice to avoid if at all possible
[17:27] <m_3> have to test
[17:27] <m_3> anyways... for relations
[17:27] <rick_h_> jujugui is there a standard answer to lbox + raring? jcsackett is running in lxc with precise and avoided the issue of lack of lbox.
[17:27] <m_3> gary_poster: right now you'd need two... one for container scope, one for external
[17:28] <hazmat> m_3, reboot in lxc won't survive
[17:28] <m_3> gary_poster: not too bad to stub them and call out to common library code
[17:28] <m_3> hazmat: ack, thanks
[17:28] <hazmat> m_3, perhaps fixed in the juju-core version hopefully
[17:28] <hazmat> rick_h_, what's the issue with lbox + raring?
[17:28] <m_3> yup
[17:29] <rick_h_> hazmat: no package in raring. https://launchpad.net/~gophers/+archive/go?field.series_filter=raring
[17:29] <rick_h_> hazmat: stopped in quantal
[17:29] <hazmat> rick_h_, go install launchpad.net/lbox
[17:30] <rick_h_> hazmat: yea, there's a package branch untouched since last year and trunk. Wondered what everyone else was doing/using
[17:30] <rick_h_> branch is named 'package' 
[17:32] <hazmat> rick_h_, that's pretty typical for debian packaging.. ie separate packaging from source, and use deb tool/build recipe to merge it in
[17:32] <hazmat> hm.. although in this case its actually the src.. odd
[17:33] <hazmat> rick_h_, i've just been using the src compile from go install lbox
[17:33] <rick_h_> hazmat: k, will look at building go stuff. Not done anything other than local hello world/etc. 
[17:33] <rick_h_> assume I need some deps and such
[17:33] <hazmat> rick_h_, just the golang install
[17:34] <rick_h_> main.go:8:2: import "launchpad.net/goetveld/rietveld": cannot find package
[17:34] <rick_h_> kind of thing?
[17:34] <hazmat> rick_h_, hmm.. maybe $ go get launchpad.net/lbox/...
[17:34] <hazmat> that should fetch deps
[17:35] <hazmat> rick_h_, its basically got virtualenv/pip built in.. the virtualenv part via GOPATH
[17:35] <hazmat> env var
[17:35] <rick_h_> as root? :(
[17:35] <rick_h_> bah, will look up the docs/etc. It wants to put stuff in /usr/lib/go and such and doesn't feel very venv'y
[17:39] <hazmat> rick_h_, set GOPATH to a dir you own
[17:40] <rick_h_> hazmat: yea, seeing that. Thanks
[17:49] <gary_poster> m_3, cool thank you!
[17:50] <gary_poster> rick_h_, what is the problem?  works ok for me
[17:50] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so there's no package any longer in the ppa for raring. I've got it built per hazmat's help. I just saw branches, no ppa, wondered what everyone else was doing
[17:51] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so all good, custom build off of trunk for now. Will have to keep an eye out for updates down the road. 
[17:52] <gary_poster> rick_h_, huh.  had not noticed
[18:01] <rick_h_> jcsackett: review if you get some time please. Apologize in advance. Adding ns.CharmResults required a newline and then re-indenting the whole file afterwards
[18:01] <rick_h_> jcsackett: https://codereview.appspot.com/9036049
[18:14] <rick_h_> gary_poster: added a card for friday discussion but I'm away from Wed on. I'm roping JC into representing the cause, but if he's not available can you check if the card makes sense on its own when you get a minute?
[18:16] <gary_poster> makes sense rick, thanks.  looking at your branch too
[18:16] <rick_h_> gary_poster: cool, thanks
[18:17] <jcsackett> rick_h_, gary_poster: i am not available on friday, alas.
[18:18] <gary_poster> rick_h_, jcsackett maybe we ought to move retrosepctive to following monday anyway
[18:18] <gary_poster> some other people will be out
[18:18] <gary_poster> too
[18:18] <jcsackett> gary_poster: i'm gone on the monday as well. :-/
[18:18] <gary_poster> heh
[18:18] <gary_poster> this crazy weekend vacation stuff!
[18:18] <gary_poster> :-)