[05:19] <pitti_> Good morning
[05:22] <darkxst_> pitti_, good morning
[05:23] <darkxst_> pitti_, any chance you take a look at the retracer sometime
[05:25] <pitti_> darkxst: ah, sorry; I guess at some point it'll be easier if you run it somewhere..
[05:27] <pitti_> still on my list
[05:31] <darkxst> pitti_, that would be fine, but I have no idea how to actually set it up ;)
[06:13] <RAOF> pitti: Hey, say I was running adt-run locally with adt-virt-schroot and the autopkgtest was failing with no useful error, how would I log in to the schroot it's using to diagnose?
[06:14] <pitti> RAOF: I suggest you schroot into the target manually, and within that, run adt-run with adt-virt-null
[06:43] <jibel> good morning
[06:54] <darkxst> pitti, any idea why the list of installed languages from accountsservice is much smaller, than 'locale -a'?
[07:12] <pitti> darkxst: locale -a has lots of locales for the same lang
[07:13] <pitti> darkxst: there are some 10 English locales (UK, US, New Zealand, and so on)
[07:13] <darkxst> pitti, yes I saw 10+ english from locale -a (and SUPPORTED) but only about 5 from accountsservice
[07:14] <darkxst> and I have no way to filter those dupes out of the SUPPORTED list, however I guess other languages mostly shouldnt be too bad.
[07:15] <pitti> why not? just split at the first _ ?
[07:15] <darkxst> pitti, really doesnt fit the current UI
[07:15] <darkxst> although I have considered making a seperate dialog that just list that bit
[08:07] <Laney> morning
[08:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, hey, had a good w.e?
[08:10] <Laney> yeah, three day one, was very fine thanks :-)
[08:10] <Laney> what about you? good mini holiday?
[08:11] <seb128> yeah, I was planning to still check emails and do some stuff but I finally didn't and it was good to have some days off work ;-)
[08:11] <mlankhorst> hehe mini holiday was great :)
[08:11] <seb128> the weather was also ok for most of the w.e (though with some rains in between and wind yesterday)
[08:12] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[08:12] <mlankhorst> a little, I was lucky, when I was outside it was dry the entire time
[08:12] <mlankhorst> except thursday, I got stuck in a lightning storm on my bike
[08:12] <Laney> exciting
[08:12] <mlankhorst> a great way to get soaked to the bone in a random village
[08:12] <mlankhorst> :D
[08:13] <Laney> we had lots of quite strong showers over the weekend
[08:13] <Laney> hid out in the library for a couple of hours
[08:13] <mlankhorst> I just crossed a canal, I could suddenly see beyond some homes
[08:13] <mlankhorst> and I was like.. best do the next 10 km real fast even if it's against the wind..
[08:14] <Laney> heh
[08:14] <mlankhorst> then after it was gone, the wind was gone too!
[08:14] <mlankhorst> which made me sad, if it stayed I would have made it home a lot faster
[08:17] <Mirv> sil2100: morning!
[08:19] <mlankhorst> sunday was great though, I enjoyed my ride outside a lot. 2.5 hours :)
[08:20]  * Laney has been doing short ones to figure out how to not fall off when stopping
[08:20] <Laney> getting used to unclipping now
[08:20] <mlankhorst> heheheh
[08:21] <mlankhorst> I did some canters like that yesterday, except it was to learn how to not fall off when going fast ;)
[08:32] <geser> given a package (razorqt) synced from Debian which build-depends on liblightdm-qt-dev (doesn't exist in Ubuntu): is replacing this build-dependency with liblightdm-qt-3-dev and have pkg-config check for liblightdm-qt-3 (instead of liblightdem-qt-2) the right "fix" to let the package build?
[08:34] <Laney> geser: perhaps make it check for both, as a more upstreamable fix
[08:34] <Laney> assuming it works with both, that is
[08:36] <geser> Laney: it builds at least with those changes
[08:36]  * Laney nods
[08:37] <Laney> should be easy to change it to build with either
[08:38] <geser> yes, my patch to CMakefile checks fist for -qt-3 now and falls back to -qt-2 if the first isn't found (like it already does with -qt-1 if -qt-2 isn't found)
[08:40] <Laney> great
[08:42] <geser> Laney: thanks, will send my changes to the DD for comment/review
[08:53] <mlankhorst> derp, when testing something, make sure you install it first..
[08:56] <Laney> hmm
[09:02] <dbarth> hi; i'm looking into a dependency issue with flashplugin-nonfree; although the control file doesn't mention it, the i386 build depends on update-notifier-common...
[09:02] <dbarth> is there any reason for that automatic dependency, or is a build error somewhere?
[09:02] <mlankhorst> remove it and find out?
[09:04] <dbarth> well, i can try rebuilding the package, yes
[09:04] <dbarth> with the current control file,ie http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/flashplugin-nonfree/raring/view/head:/debian/control
[09:07] <mlankhorst> and back to raining here
[10:00] <sil2100> fginther: ping
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, hey, how are you?
[10:01] <pitti> hey seb128! I'm fine, how are you?
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, was your pending g-s-d change (drop lock_scree_on_suspend) ready for upload?
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, I'm good thanks, I had a long and relaxing w.e (got lucky with the weather for most of it, it's not great but at least it was not raining too much in the afternoons)
[10:02] <pitti> seb128: yes, it is; it just wasn't important enough to upload by itself (as that code path isn't taken any more)
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, ok, I've another patch to upload, I was just double checking, danke ;-)
[13:14] <fginther> sil2100, ping
[13:16] <seb128> Laney, the clutter-gst-2.0 cogl 1.10 b-d, was it needed or did you just want to force a recent enough cogl version? (that's our only diff with debian atm)
[13:27] <sil2100> fginther: ping
[13:28] <fginther> sil2100, pong
[13:57] <Laney> seb128: well it's in configure.ac, I was probably following that
[13:58] <Laney> weird that they don't have this build-dep in Debian though but if it's pull in some other way you can sync I suppose
[13:58] <Laney> probably best to add it back in svn
[14:06] <seb128> sil2100, cyphermox_, Mirv: hey, do you guys know why we didn't have daily landing of the indicator stack recently?
[14:07] <sil2100> seb128: you mean raring or head?
[14:07] <seb128> sil2100, saucy
[14:07] <seb128> so trunk I guess
[14:07] <sil2100> seb128: would have to check, as cyphermox_ is the maintainer of the indicator stack
[14:08] <Laney> cyphermox told me it would be disabled for some time until something gets merged
[14:08] <sil2100> Maybe it's the same as with unity, i.e. UTAH problems with autopilo ttesting
[14:08] <Laney> forgot what though ...
[14:08] <sil2100> Ah, right, maybe we already have disabled the indicator stack
[14:08] <sil2100> Laney might be right
[14:08] <Laney> I was hassling him in Oak to do a release and he did a manual one for me
[14:10] <sil2100> seb128: since there were plans to disable daily-build of indicators until the /phablet branches are not merged in
[14:10] <seb128> sil2100, is overlay-scrollbar in the indicator stack?
[14:11] <sil2100> seb128: I think it was in the misc stack when I last seen it
[14:11] <sil2100> cyphermox_: you re-enabled the unity-gtk-module for the unity stack already btw.?
[14:12] <sil2100> cyphermox_: I see you did, ok
[14:12] <sil2100> cyphermox_: since currently as things are the integration tests for unity-gtk-module won't test unity-gtk-module at all
[14:13] <sil2100> seb128: yep, it's in the misc stack in head
[14:13] <Laney> bzr branch lp:cupstream2distro-config is helpful for questions like that
[14:14] <sil2100> cyphermox_: I didn't want to re-enable it yet because the integration tests don't test what they need to right now, they just test the standard appmenu-gtk features - but no worries, at least it shouldn't block anything
[14:16] <seb128> Laney, I admit I'm just being lazy there, I was trying to have an answer to "why aren't the stack landing in saucy" without having to spend 15 minutes browsing jenkins and logs ;-)
[14:16] <Laney> heh
[14:17] <seb128> I though sil2100 or cyphermox_ would know ;-)
[14:17] <seb128> cyphermox_, we need that overlay-scrollbar fix you did in saucy to unblock gtk 3.8
[14:17] <sil2100> Yep, you can use us as much as you want while we're here ;)
[14:18] <sil2100> seb128: what fix is that?
[14:18] <sil2100> seb128: as I am maintaining the misc stack, I could maybe push it further
[14:18] <Laney> just looked at that MP, says there's still issues
[14:18] <seb128> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/overlay-scrollbar/fix-second-use/+merge/162507
[14:18] <seb128> Laney, oh, right
[14:19] <seb128> I only tested the vertical scrolling (I'm not even sure where to find something that scroll horizontally)
[14:19]  * seb128 tries
[14:19] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see my glib ping before? I just got disconnected from IRC after, not sure if it went through (I didn't see your reply if you added one)
[14:19] <Laney> no, didn't get one
[14:19] <seb128> Laney, the clutter-gst-2.0 cogl 1.10 b-d, was it needed or did you just want to force a recent enough cogl version? (that's our only diff with debian atm)
[14:19] <seb128> dah
[14:19] <seb128> wrong history pick
[14:20] <Laney> if it's "want to do the update?" then the answer is that it's on my list :-)
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, btw upstream just rolled out a tarball for glib 2.36.2, can you take care of it (or ask if pochu wants to do it ... do we still need that small diff over debian?)
[14:20] <Laney> pitti was pinging about the diff earlier though, so maybe he is doing it
[14:20] <Laney> and yes it is still necessary
[14:20] <pitti> yeah, we still need that diff
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, ^
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, are you doing the update?
[14:20] <Laney> unless we want to fix wanna-build
[14:21] <pitti> I still need to roll a new pygobject tarball today and have a meeting, so not today
[14:21] <seb128> no hurry, anyway between you and Laney to sort out
[14:21] <seb128> thanks guys ;-)
[14:21] <Laney> I think pochu was planning something around glib anyways
[14:21] <Laney> making tests fatal on all arches
[14:21] <pitti> yay bsd and hurt
[14:22] <Laney> ah, already in svn
[14:22] <pitti> err, hurd, but "hurt" is rather descriptive, too
[14:22] <Laney> doesn't affect us for ubuntu of course, but it does make me reluctant to update in debian ...
[14:35] <Laney> seb128: synced clutter-gst-2.0
[14:35] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:35] <Laney> np
[14:35] <Laney> added the bd in svn so it'll come back next time
[14:36] <seb128> great
[14:36] <seb128> brb, reboot
[14:37] <cyphermox> sil2100: reenabled only to get the autolanding actually. isn't there a daily_release: False?
[14:39] <cyphermox> actually, nevermind that, I thought attente told me the tests were ready
[14:42] <seb128> pitti, your ppa works fine on laptop with saucy, though I've a "boring" config to test that (no lvm, no disk encryption, etc) ... standard plugging usb key or tablet works and display icons in the launcher, etc
[14:42] <seb128> on my laptop*
[14:42] <pitti> seb128: thanks for confirming
[14:42] <seb128> yw!
[14:48] <attente> cyphermox, hey, the tests should be good now
[14:58] <sil2100> cyphermox: they're ready, but they're not testing what needs to be tested in the current phase
[14:59] <sil2100> cyphermox: but I'll work on that, since it's anyway my task as per the spreadsheet
[14:59] <cyphermox> ok
[14:59] <sil2100> cyphermox: please update it once you do anything specific ;)
[14:59] <sil2100> In the future, so that we don't duplicate too much!
[15:03] <dobey_> dpm: ping
[15:04] <dpm> hey dobey_, about to enter a call, but shoot if I can help with anything
[15:05] <dobey> dpm: was just wondering about what to use for translations in qt. if we should use the native qt stuff (and how that fits into the ubuntu translations magic stuff), or if we should just use gettext, or what. or if there's plans to change that going forward, to fit in more with the qt way
[15:06] <cyphermox> seb128: anytime now: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/overlay-scrollbar/fix-second-use/+merge/162507
[15:07] <cyphermox> desrt: want to review that? ^
[15:07] <desrt> cyphermox: get cimi
[15:07] <dpm> dobey, in summary: gettext because that's what Launchpad supports, and that is not expected to change. We already use gettext in the SDK, we just don't have a story for pure qt apps
[15:08] <desrt> he'll be happy to spend the 5 minutes to review and i honestly have no idea what i'd be looking at
[15:08] <dobey> dpm: hmm, ok
[15:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hey
[15:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you have an 1-minute recipe how to fix hangouts on today's firefox?
[15:10] <pitti> they were working last week still, but now ffox says the plugin isn't installed (but it is)
[15:10] <pitti> (meeting going on for 10 mins already..)
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i've not tried it. where is the plugin installed?
[15:11] <pitti> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/, plus a dozen symlinks
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti, oh, that's not going to work
[15:12] <pitti> it was until last week
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, it won't work with the new version, as it's moved to /usr/lib/firefox/browser/plugins
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> nobody should be using that directory
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> it should be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's one of the locations it's symlinked to
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti, is it google plus or firefox that says the plugin isn't installed? (ie, is it listed in about:plugins)
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> it's listed here
[15:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't see it in about:plugins
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what about if you enter "Components.classes["@mozilla.org/plugin/host;1"] .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIPluginHost).reloadPlugins(false)" in to the error console and then restart?
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> actually, the restart should be unnecessary
[15:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: how do I get the error console?
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti, is it not in the Tools -> Web Developer menu?
[15:22] <pitti> ah, it is (I never used it)
[15:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: if I do that and click "Evaluate", nothing happens at all
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> it's not in the plugin list now?
[15:24] <pitti> no
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm not sure then atm
[15:24] <pitti> I already tried to purge and reinstall google-talkplugin, restarting firefox several times, etc.
[15:24] <pitti> ok, so after meeting/tomorrow I'll try with a new profile
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> oh, wow, my session is totally messed up. launcher and dash appearing beneath all of my windows :(
[15:36] <chrisccoulson> desrt, is it a bug to call g_object_new from within a class_init function?
[15:38] <desrt> yesish
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> desrt, heh, i thought as much (see bug 1179554) ;)
[15:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1179554 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Firefox hang on start because ibus calls g_object_new inside a class_init function" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179554
[15:43] <desrt> it's not strictly a bug
[15:43] <desrt> but you should only be doing a very limited number of things in class_init
[15:43] <desrt> properties, signals, vfunc overrides
[15:44] <desrt> ooo
[15:44] <desrt> this looks like the fun gobject deadlock
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> desrt, oh, should i reassign it to glib?
[15:44] <desrt> it's already known
[15:44] <desrt> assuming it's the same one (which it appears to be)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> desrt, got a bug number?
[15:49] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674885
[15:49] <ubot2> Gnome bug 674885 in gobject "type initialisation deadlock in GObject" [Normal,New]
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> desrt, excellent, thanks
[15:53] <seb128> re
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, some people mentioned earlier getting hangouts back after upgrading the plugin from google
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, you might want to try that
[15:53] <seb128> I should try hangouts before tomorrow
[15:54] <ogra_> that takes out all excitement
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> desrt, oh, i've just noticed the date on that bug. so, this issue isn't actually a recent one?
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> i wonder why i've only just started seeing it :/
[19:48] <pitti> seb128: hm, upgrade how?
[19:48] <pitti> seb128: I purged the package and clicked on "install" in the hangout window, and it gave me the very same deb
[19:49] <seb128> pitti, https://tools.google.com/dlpage/hangoutplugin/download.html
[19:49] <seb128> ?
[19:52] <pitti> seb128: yes, that very
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should upgrade to saucy and test it
[19:53] <seb128> works for me (on 32 bits)
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti, or just switch to chromium ;)
[19:53] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that's the very thing I tried to avoid :)
[19:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-chromium-default-browser ;)
[19:55] <Laney> Chromium has matured to being as good or better than Firefox
[19:55] <Laney> cheeky git!
[19:55] <Laney> :P
[19:55] <pitti> oh noes
[19:56] <pitti> so when MS tried to get everywhere, the FOSS world was raging
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> Laney, you might change your mind once all of our customizations are dropped from firefox ;)
[19:56] <pitti> when Google does it, everyone loves it
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i know
[19:56] <Laney> why would they be dropped?!
[19:57] <Laney> I'm blissfully unaware of what they are :-)
[19:57] <seb128> google is nice though
[19:57] <seb128> ms is a crappy capitalist company
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> Laney, because nobody has the time to maintain them anymore. i'm hoping to get the important ones upstream, but that is happening slowly
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> or not at all
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/files/head:/debian/patches/ ;)
[19:58] <pitti> seb128: </irony>, right? (I'm not 100% sure)
[19:58] <seb128> pitti, no
[19:58] <Laney> as long as I can keep my vimperator
[19:59] <seb128> pitti, I hate $ms ad compains against other companies; that's typical marketing and it sucls
[19:59] <seb128> sucks
[19:59] <sarnold> Laney: if vimperator stops working for you, checkout pentadactyl..
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> google are just as bad as microsoft. in fact, i'm less afraid of microsoft than i am of google ;)
[19:59] <seb128> google never do hate ad compains
[19:59] <pitti> seb128: yeah, no argument there
[19:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, because google is smarter? ;-)
[19:59] <Laney> sarnold: I flip flop between the two when one of them stops working :P
[19:59] <mlankhorst> actually facebook is the worse evil atm
[19:59] <pitti> but right now, Google is by far the worse player
[20:00] <seb128> mlankhorst, they are not really playing in the same league than the others though
[20:00] <mlankhorst> true
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, because they're happy to abuse their dominant position to push their product in your face
[20:00] <pitti> goodle doesn't have to make hate ads, they just destroy or buy the competition :)
[20:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like $ms never did?
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> take the google search page for example ;)
[20:00] <sarnold> Laney: hehe :) I'm glad you know about them both.. I've not needed to flip back to vimperator so far..
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm not saying i like microsoft ;)
[20:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you say google is worth than ms though
[20:01] <seb128> I don't agree
[20:01] <pitti> right now, for the software market they are
[20:01] <seb128> because they are smarter...
[20:01] <seb128> if $ms was to lead they wouldn't be any better
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> i don't disagree with that
[20:03] <pitti> yeah, neither do I
[20:03] <pitti> google is basically today what MS was 10 years ago
[20:03] <seb128> it's a result of the market/society/business as it is today
[20:04] <seb128> whoever is in the leading position will deserve hate for the things they did/are doing to be there
[20:04] <pitti> yeah, winner's curse
[20:04] <mlankhorst> not really, microsoft is still doing the same thing, just more behind the curtains
[20:04] <pitti> I still like Mozilla more, and I rather trust their products with my data than chromium
[20:05] <mlankhorst> I don't 'trust' anyone with my data, that's what verification is for
[20:05] <pitti> anyway, time for TB meeting, that was an unexpected flamefest :)
[20:11] <dobey> ick chromium. i hope not
[21:21] <LeartS> Anyone who can review and approve / disapprove branches? https://code.launchpad.net/~vandersonmr/gnome-screenshot/bugfix1169904/+merge/161262 and https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/fix-dnd-alttab/+merge/158182
[22:33] <TheMuso> Chromium also introduces accessibility implications, like not working out of teh box with Orca. It has its own extension for screen reading, but totally different keystrokes and doesn't integrate with Orca either.
[22:35] <TheMuso> I am also considering moving my data away from Google. I haven't been liking what they have been up to recently.