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| mdeslaur | yes, it'll be awesome for confining apps in user mode | 16:37 |
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| mdeslaur | and after that, I'll continue going down the CVE list | 16:38 |
| mdeslaur | and, of course, I will be attending uds | 16:38 |
| mdeslaur | that's it from me, sbeattie, you're up | 16:38 |
| sbeattie | I'm again focused on apparmor related items this week, specifically focused on the security-s-appisolation-sdk blueprint | 16:38 |
| sbeattie | I'm currently working on getting easyprof to support json input | 16:38 |
| sbeattie | I'll also be attending uds this week | 16:39 |
| sbeattie | that's pretty much it for me... tyhicks? | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I'm working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-dbus-performance | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I gathered performance numbers late friday and over the weekend and I'm analyzing them now | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I need to circle back around to the dbus policy language thread on the apparmor list and see if we can get a consensus on how the dbus rules should be structured and then make those changes | 16:40 |
| sbeattie | ah yeah, I need to focus some more time there as well. | 16:41 |
| tyhicks | also, I'd like to start fixing one of the known performance problems in how we're doing the AA access checks in dbus | 16:41 |
| tyhicks | (and then rerun the tests) | 16:41 |
| tyhicks | I'll be attending UDS as well | 16:41 |
| tyhicks | that's it for me | 16:41 |
| tyhicks | sarnold: I think you're up and then we can come back to jj | 16:42 |
| sarnold | I'm in the happy place this week; I'll be spenidng most of my time reviewing jj's patches, but I'll probably dust off my auto* and m4 knowledge and fake python 3 porting knowledge and review someof the patches sent last week .. or two weeks back .. | 16:43 |
| * tyhicks still needs to send a few prereq patches for dbus support in apparmor | 16:44 | |
| sarnold | I'm also going to look at mdeslaur's upstart patches, though earlier versions looked pretty well baked, it feels like that ought to go quickly | 16:44 |
| jdstrand | actually, we missed chrisccoulson | 16:44 |
| sarnold | and I'll be doing UDS :) | 16:44 |
| jdstrand | ah, sorry, sarnold is still going (sorry) | 16:44 |
| sarnold | chrisccoulson: you're up, hand the baton to jj when he shows up :) | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | hi :) | 16:45 |
| chrisccoulson | so, i spent some time last week getting more familiar with chrome, following the discussions from the sprint | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i've put that to one side now to handle the regular firefox and thunderbird updates | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | which are nearly done | 16:46 |
| sarnold | (woot) | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | although, been hitting a hang frequently in raring. it turns out this is a glib bug, and i think explains some of the recent bug reports i've been getting (bug 1179554) | 16:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1179554 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Firefox hang on start because ibus calls g_object_new inside a class_init function" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179554 | 16:47 |
| chrisccoulson | also, the arm builds failed because some jit tests timed out. i reproduced the same failures on my pandaboard at the weekend, and verified that lengthening the timeout fixes it | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | also working on an embargoed update | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | i think that's me done | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | jjohansen, i think it's your turn now :) | 16:48 |
| jjohansen | hey | 16:48 |
| jjohansen | so I will be working on my apparmor bp work items | 16:49 |
| jjohansen | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-s-appisolation-signals-ipc-ptrace | 16:49 |
| jjohansen | I have some prep to do for tomorrows apparmor IRC meeting | 16:50 |
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| jjohansen | and I need to finish finding/fixing a bug with the default profile, that made its way into the most recent devel kernels | 16:51 |
| jjohansen | I think that is it for /me | 16:52 |
| jjohansen | jdstrand: back to you | 16:52 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 16:52 |
| jdstrand | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 16:52 |
| jdstrand | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 16:52 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tomboy.html | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmp.html | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pwlib.html | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnome-shell.html | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/inetutils.html | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 16:53 |
| jdstrand | I had one for sbeattie: were you able to finish your easyprof templates? | 16:53 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: not quite, still finishing those up as well | 16:54 |
| jdstrand | ok | 16:54 |
| jdstrand | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 16:54 |
| sarnold | I'm curious about our proposed favored ssl/tls bindings in our SDK.. do we have an API there that's better than OpenSSL's for application authors to use? | 16:55 |
| sarnold | do we get some nice ones for free with Qt/QML? or are they just thin wrappers around the painful API? :) | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | sarnold: Qt has some, yes | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | QML is just presentation, so it doesn't have anything | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | well, it is more than just presentation | 16:57 |
| jdstrand | but what I meant is that to get to the Qt SSL bits you need to write C++, but we don't expect many apps to be written in that (but it is there if they need it) | 16:58 |
| sarnold | hrm. | 16:58 |
| jdstrand | the webkit view should just handle that all transparently | 16:59 |
| jdstrand | sarnold: it might be worth asking the sdk team about. they are quite responsive | 16:59 |
| sarnold | for webby things, perhaps, but apps will likely have structured data that they want private and authenticated... | 16:59 |
| sarnold | jdstrand: aha, got a favored contact? | 16:59 |
| jdstrand | sarnold: I'd go to bzoltan | 17:00 |
| sarnold | jdstrand: thanks :) | 17:00 |
| jdstrand | np | 17:00 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks! | 17:01 |
| jdstrand | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| sarnold | thanks jdstrand :) | 17:01 |
| jjohansen | thanks jdstrand | 17:01 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: thanks! | 17:01 |
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| pitti | hello | 19:56 |
| pitti | oh, so mdz and cjwatson are out | 20:01 |
| soren | o/ | 20:01 |
| pitti | kees, stgraber: ? | 20:01 |
| * stgraber waves | 20:04 | |
| pitti | hm, so cjwatson was chair originally, and seems kees is out, too | 20:06 |
| pitti | so I guess I'm next in line | 20:06 |
| pitti | #startmeeting | 20:07 |
| meetingology | pitti: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 20:07 |
| pitti | oh | 20:07 |
| pitti | hm, who started this? | 20:07 |
| pitti | meetingology: help | 20:07 |
| meetingology | pitti: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 20:07 |
| stgraber | #endmeeting | 20:07 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon May 13 20:07:45 2013 UTC. | 20:07 |
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| pitti | ah, merci | 20:07 |
| pitti | #startmeeting | 20:07 |
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| pitti | #topic action review | 20:08 |
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| * pitti looks for "See previous meeting " | 20:08 | |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/TeamReports/April doesn't exist | 20:08 |
| pitti | nor https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/TeamReports/13/April | 20:09 |
| pitti | assuming "no actions"; stgraber, soren, do you remember any? | 20:09 |
| soren | I don't even remember whether I was there :-/ | 20:09 |
| pitti | #topic SRU request for custom unity-greeter indicators | 20:10 |
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| pitti | (mopping up mailing list now) | 20:10 |
| pitti | I already replied on the ML; soren, stgraber, do you have any objections/points to discuss ther? | 20:10 |
| pitti | e | 20:10 |
| soren | No, I've got half a reply written up already anyway. | 20:10 |
| stgraber | pitti: last meeting was 10min long, no action and no agenda | 20:11 |
| stgraber | pitti: I'm fine with discussing on the mailing-list | 20:11 |
| pitti | formally, one ack is enough anyway, but more opinions can't hurt | 20:11 |
| pitti | #topic openssl as a system library | 20:12 |
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| pitti | TBH, I read the mail and half of Colin's reply, but I must say this legal mock attacking is slightly beyond me :/ | 20:12 |
| pitti | I find the Debian stanza way too extreme; I consider this incompatibility a bug, it has obviously not been designed to exclude free software from using each other; but I have no legally sound counterarguments | 20:13 |
| soren | Fedora considers it a system library, right? | 20:15 |
| pitti | yes | 20:15 |
| soren | Or did I misunderstand that somehow? | 20:15 |
| soren | Ok. | 20:15 |
| pitti | this is exactly the kind of legal loophole which indicates to me that this whole conflict is just an unintended side effect (aka bug) of the two licenses | 20:16 |
| soren | I've been inclined to agree, but ISTR Colin having sound arguments against it. | 20:16 |
| pitti | I'm curious whether there has been any actual uproar from OpenSSL's upstreams about linking with GPL programs | 20:16 |
| stgraber | pitti: oh actually my statement that the past meeting was 10min long and without action/agenda was wrong, that was the one before last. Last meeting was during the Canonical sprint and did happen, though it looks like Colin didn't get to post the minutes. | 20:16 |
| soren | Well, the conflict between the licenses it pretty clear. | 20:17 |
| pitti | I wouldn't like to come to a conclusion about this without cjwatson, so I propose to move that to the next meeting and/or email | 20:17 |
| soren | GPL clearly says that you can't put forth further restrictions, while the OpenSSL license says that you must include some notice about it being used. | 20:17 |
| stgraber | so based on what I saw on the mailing-lists and discussed in person with cjwatson last week, it sounds like squid may be a case where it's fine to allow linking with SSL on the basis that upstream is fine with this but can't reach all copyright holders to add the exception | 20:18 |
| pitti | soren: yes, but the GPL itself enforces the mentioning of the license/copyright of the program, so in practice it's the very same "restriction" | 20:18 |
| stgraber | for the other one (mongo I believe), IIRC upstream clearly stated in the bug report that they're not willing to change the license and that someone should contact their legal or sales department | 20:18 |
| stgraber | which makes it sound like this is a case where we really shouldn't let it link against SSL | 20:18 |
| pitti | so forcing distributors to mention the GPL and copyright while denying it to software using different FOSS licenses doesn't make sense | 20:19 |
| pitti | stgraber: yes, I know; as I said, I have no firm legal arguments against that, but it still feels just plain stupid and against the spirit of the licenses | 20:19 |
| pitti | cf. bug in the licenses | 20:20 |
| soren | pitti: IIRC, GPL doesn't force you to do that. It says "should", doesn't it? | 20:20 |
| soren | pitti: It doesn't even do that. | 20:20 |
| pitti | it is a must clause for interactive programs at least | 20:21 |
| soren | pitti: It says that that's how you apply the license to your program. It's not a requirement of the license itself. | 20:21 |
| soren | They're instructions for licensors. | 20:23 |
| stgraber | anyway, I agree with pitti that we definitely want to have cjwatson present before we make a decision on this, so should probably defer to the next meeting (unless we can come to an agreement on the mailing-list) | 20:23 |
| pitti | well, how is "applying a license to a program" any different than "the license itself" | 20:23 |
| soren | Not requirements of the licensee. | 20:23 |
| pitti | ok, so let's carry this to the next meeting then, I'll put it on the agenda | 20:24 |
| soren | Very well. | 20:24 |
| pitti | #topic SRU approved without waiting in unapproved | 20:24 |
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| pitti | that was Riddell's request | 20:24 |
| pitti | I responded by email already | 20:24 |
| soren | Yo did? | 20:25 |
| pitti | in short, I'd consider it an invalid workaround for long SRU waiting queues, and replacing one problem with a much worse one | 20:25 |
| soren | I didn't see a response from you. Not that I recall at least. | 20:25 |
| soren | Nope. | 20:25 |
| soren | Nothing. | 20:25 |
| pitti | oh? | 20:25 |
| pitti | Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:25:48 +0200 | 20:25 |
| pitti | From: Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com> | 20:25 |
| stgraber | I see it | 20:25 |
| soren | orly? | 20:25 |
| soren | Weird. | 20:25 |
| pitti | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-May/001615.html | 20:26 |
| soren | Never received that. How odd. | 20:26 |
| stgraber | I agree that we have one problem which is the time it takes for something to hit -proposed but the way to fix that is with more people looking at the queue not by bypassing it | 20:26 |
| pitti | anyway, if anything I think this should be discussed with the SRU team instead of circumventing peer review | 20:26 |
| pitti | yeah, the turnaround should not exceed half or perhaps one week | 20:27 |
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| pitti | I'll mail the SRU team and discuss with them, with TB in CC: | 20:28 |
| stgraber | sounds good | 20:28 |
| pitti | #action pitti to start ubuntu-sru delay discussion by email | 20:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pitti to start ubuntu-sru delay discussion by email | 20:29 |
| pitti | #topic brain storm review | 20:29 |
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| pitti | it's May again | 20:29 |
| pitti | but I think the last round already showed that there is very little interest from developers in this | 20:30 |
| pitti | we just got some five responses, and none of them resulted in anything actionable AFAIR | 20:31 |
| * pitti tries to check wiki, but it currently times out | 20:31 | |
| pitti | does someone volunteer to do another round? or should we just bin this, as it has by and large been replaced with design driven development anyway these days? | 20:32 |
| stgraber | I think it's time to bin this | 20:33 |
| soren | If we do stop doing it, we should probably close brainstorm as well. | 20:33 |
| soren | Otherwise, it's just going to be where ideas go to die. | 20:34 |
| soren | Even moreso than it was before. | 20:34 |
| pitti | comparing the absolute numbers of voters from my december 2012 review to the ones I saw a year or two before that also showed radical decline of users | 20:34 |
| stgraber | I'd be pretty happy with that considering nobody maintains it anyway and bug reports are piling up (it's on a very old Drupal version, full of bugs and requires quite a lot of work to be ported to something supported) | 20:34 |
| pitti | ack | 20:34 |
| pitti | ok, so we agree on that: stop brainstorm reviews and brainstorm itself | 20:36 |
| stgraber | yep | 20:36 |
| soren | Can we even make that decision? | 20:36 |
| soren | (the latter, I mean) | 20:36 |
| pitti | well, we can at least propose it | 20:36 |
| pitti | not sure who "owns" that | 20:36 |
| * soren neither | 20:36 | |
| pitti | that = brainstorm.u.c. | 20:36 |
| soren | probably the CC. | 20:36 |
| stgraber | well, I'm probably as close to an owner as can be for brainstorm (having started the project and being the only one still vaguely around) | 20:36 |
| pitti | yeah, good point; I'll mail them | 20:36 |
| soren | Nope. | 20:37 |
| soren | Ubuntu QA set it up, apparently. | 20:37 |
| soren | http://netsplit.com/2008/02/28/ubuntu-brainstorm-announced/ | 20:37 |
| stgraber | soren: correct, brainstorm was initially part of the same service as the QA tracker | 20:37 |
| pitti | ah, Ubuntu community QA -- ok, I'll forward the proposal to balloons then | 20:37 |
| pitti | balloons: if you are online, do you have a gut feeling about the fate of brainstorm.u.c.? | 20:38 |
| * balloons floats in | 20:38 | |
| stgraber | anyway, AFAIK I'm the only admin left for brainstorm and the only few times I logged in recently was to purge some data after IS assigned me some tickets | 20:38 |
| jcastro | I can take the item to close it/sunset it | 20:39 |
| jcastro | it was assigned to me a while back | 20:39 |
| jcastro | and everyone who set it up that I used to work with is gone | 20:39 |
| pitti | jcastro: it seems both developers and most users have lost their interest in it (not that surprising given how the design process of Ubuntu changed over the years) | 20:40 |
| jcastro | yeah | 20:40 |
| jcastro | it's always been an odd site | 20:40 |
| balloons | pitti, jcastro and stgraber are correct.. It's a nest of unmaintainedness | 20:40 |
| * balloons notes that's not a word | 20:40 | |
| jcastro | so how do I go about doing this, propose on -devel and go from there? | 20:40 |
| stgraber | jcastro: right, I just had a quick look at when the other admin logged in and they clearly don't seem very active ;) nand logged in 28 weeks ago so I'm apparently the most active admin with 3 logins this year ;) | 20:41 |
| pitti | jcastro, balloons: ok, seems we all agree then; can we hand stgraber or you the task to shut it down? | 20:41 |
| jcastro | yeah | 20:41 |
| jcastro | I'll take the task, stgraber has more important things to do. :) | 20:41 |
| pitti | heh | 20:41 |
| pitti | thank you | 20:41 |
| balloons | we'll need to mention the proper avenues to push ideas.. aka, join in UDS, mailing lists, etc | 20:41 |
| * soren hugs jcastro | 20:41 | |
| pitti | #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 20:41 |
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| pitti | did I miss anything? | 20:41 |
| jcastro | balloons: yeah I'll handle all of that. | 20:41 |
| stgraber | jcastro: thanks! let me know if you need any detail on how to actually kill that thing (if we need to extract/archive any data from it) | 20:41 |
| jcastro | stgraber: I'd like to see if we can do a readonly dump of it or something, I'll ask IS | 20:42 |
| pitti | #topic community bugs | 20:43 |
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| pitti | zarro | 20:43 |
| pitti | #topic chair for next meeting | 20:43 |
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| pitti | carrying over cjwatson? | 20:43 |
| pitti | #topic AOB | 20:43 |
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| stgraber | no, he chaired the last meeting | 20:43 |
| stgraber | (during the sprint) | 20:43 |
| pitti | oh, ok; kees then | 20:43 |
| pitti | un | 20:44 |
| pitti | deux | 20:44 |
| pitti | trois | 20:45 |
| pitti | le fin | 20:45 |
| pitti | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| pitti | thanks everyone! | 20:45 |
| stgraber | thanks pitti! | 20:45 |
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