[10:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: FYI, proposed-migration only cares about regressions in installability.  Since I forced ubuntu-touch-meta to be uninstallable (by proposed-migration's definition) once, it won't require further forcing unless it becomes installable again at some point in the meantime.
[10:56] <ogra_> ah, perfect, thanks !
[10:56] <cjwatson> (And indeed AFAICS it didn't require forcing at the weekend.)
[12:52] <ogra_> sigh, seems cadejo is dead again
[12:53] <ogra_> this is getting old :/
[16:23] <cjwatson> I've added stgraber to ~ubuntu-archive, mainly on the basis that everyone already thinks he is and I'm quite confident he knows his way around.
[16:24] <Laney> nice
[19:30] <blitzkrieg3> hi, I've verified bug 887446, would someone please move it over to -updates?
[19:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 887446 in mtools (Ubuntu Precise) "mlabel: renaming USB stick appends "nA" to name" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887446
[19:32] <stgraber> blitzkrieg3: any reason to rush it to -updates? packages are typically moved 7 days after they get into -proposed (assuming the fix is confirmed and no regression found)
[19:32] <stgraber> so in the case of this package, it'd likely be released to -updates on Wednesday
[19:33] <blitzkrieg3> stgraber: oh I didn't know it was automatic...
[19:33] <blitzkrieg3> stgraber: thanks for the clarification, Wed is fine
[19:33] <stgraber> it's not automatic, but there's still a default 7 days waiting period
[19:33] <stgraber> so SRU members don't usually look at copying things that are less than 7 days old
[19:33] <blitzkrieg3> okay, that works for me
[22:41] <phillw> hi good people, would the fix for bug 880493 be sitting in the 7 day queue, or does it need a nudge? (Obviously not for me, I'm asking on behalf of a tester).
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 880493 in synaptic (Ubuntu Raring) "Synaptic crashes in vfprintf() with Norwegian locale" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880493
[22:47] <cjwatson> No, it's waiting for manual review by ~ubuntu-sru before entering -proposed
[22:48] <cjwatson> The 7-day queue is during the verification step after it's in -proposed
[22:50] <phillw> cjwatson: so, I should ask the OP to wait 7 days and then check to see if it has arrived in proposed? (my first translations bug, as you can tell!).
[22:51] <stgraber> phillw: there's no fixed amount of time before something gets into -proposed, it'll get in there when someone has the time to review it
[22:51] <cjwatson> 7 days is irrelevamt
[22:51] <cjwatson> s/m/n/
[22:51] <phillw> ah, so it could take some time for a manual review. Sorry, I mis-read what you wrote.
[22:51] <stgraber> once it's in there, a comment will be posted to the bug report asking you to test the fix, and it's 7 days after THAT, that it'll be copied to -updates
[22:52] <cjwatson> ... if it's verified
[22:52] <stgraber> right
[22:53] <phillw> stgraber: cjwatson do you have any sort of idea of a bug with that many dupes and heat may get reviewed (obviously after vUDS!) ?
[22:53] <cjwatson> No idea sorry
[22:54] <stgraber> sorry, can't really parse that sentence, assuming the missing word is "when", then no
[22:54] <cjwatson> The SRU queue is rarely processed in any kind of order relating to dupes or heat
[22:54] <phillw> okies, thanks. at least I can tell the OP to subscribe to 'master' bug, as he quoted me one of the dupes.
[22:54] <cjwatson> Not least because we have no way to see it in that order
[22:55] <phillw> I can imagine... and translation bugs must a royal pain to check out!
[22:56] <cjwatson> Not usually
[22:56] <cjwatson> But I'm not going to look now since bed
[23:26] <infinity> Gah.
[23:26] <infinity> cjwatson: Since when do we allow people to upload directly to *-updates? :/
[23:26] <infinity> wgrant: ^
[23:27]  * infinity is kicking himself for not noticing the wrong target in the unity-tweak-tool upload.
[23:27] <wgrant> infinity: Always AFAIK
[23:27] <infinity> wgrant: Huh.  A bit odd, given that we don't let people upload to devel-release. :P
[23:27] <infinity> (I could have sworn direct uploads to -updates used to get rejected)
[23:27] <wgrant> Back in the old days you could upload to just release, or you could upload to all the pockets except release, depending on series status.
[23:28] <infinity> Yeah, but when we brought in -proposed, -updates should have been locked off.
[23:28] <wgrant> Certainly
[23:28] <infinity> If it hasn't been, we've just been remarkably good about people not uploading to the wrong target most of the time.
[23:28] <wgrant> But "should" is very very broad :)
[23:29] <infinity> I'm suspicious that this might be a regression since the mapping magic landed.
[23:29] <infinity> But maybe not.  Maybe people really have been that well-behaved.
[23:30] <infinity> Anyhow, now I get to decide if I copy/delete that from updates to proposed, or just handwave and not care.
[23:30] <wgrant> It's not a regression.
[23:30] <infinity> Fair enough.  People are better behaved than I give them credit for.
[23:39] <wgrant> infinity: Yeah, not a regression. There've been about 100 -updates uploads since 2009, spread over all the years since then.
[23:39] <infinity> wgrant: Kay.  Guess I just wasn't the one who accepted any of them.  Or I didn't notice until today. :P
[23:40] <infinity> wgrant: I'm guessing it would be trivial to rewrite s/updates/proposed/ the same as release is done (with the same ACL check for bypassing)?
[23:40] <wgrant> infinity: Probably.
[23:41] <wgrant> Though in this case I'd just reject...
[23:41] <infinity> I see no reason to hard reject, when a rewrite would DTRT.  But today's behaviour is clearly wrong one way or the other, since it relies on a human to be able to read. ;)
[23:41] <wgrant> There's no backward compat issue.
[23:41] <infinity> Rejecting works too, not picky.
[23:41] <wgrant> We should look for reasons *to* not do what people say, not reason not to not do it :)
[23:42] <infinity> Rejecting still needs the ACL check, of course.
[23:43] <infinity> (The argument for the rewrite is that it's a DWIM sort of thing, I don't really care about teaching uploaders about what magic they need in their changelog)
[23:43] <infinity> If I cared about said magic, I'd insist they always write "series" unqualified, and have the upload email tell them so. :P