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zequencelen_1304: I don't think I have the time or energy to set up anything for UDS. Seems like there are so few of us, and I was more considering it a PR possibility more than actually getting work done00:40
zequenceGood thing is there'll be another one in just 3 months, so I'll focus on that one instead00:41
zequenceTuesday is first day00:41
zequencelen_1304: Have a look at the sessions, and see if there is something that interests you http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/00:41
zequenceIf nothing else, Xubuntu sessions, or community sessions00:41
zequenceBesides, they still haven't corrected the bug which makes it seem like I'm already logged in, when I'm not.00:43
zequenceAnd, thinking of that. I still haven't got my music I bought through Ubuntu One some months ago00:43
Len-nbzequence, may I assume the toolkit of choice is QT for ubuntu development?03:20
Len-nb(just looking at the schedules you pointed at :)03:21
zequenceLen-nb: I suppose so, at least what Unity is concerned, and the phone in particular03:22
Len-nbYa, lots of mobile talk.03:22
Len-nblots of one size fits all. kind of like the adjustable wrench or vicegrips... 03:25
Len-nbxubuntu has at least 3 sessions I have found so far03:29
zequencebusy people03:30
Len-nbAll one person actually03:30
Len-nbI have seen the word "touch" about 10 times too many  :)03:31
zequencehehe03:32
Len-nbnot because it shouldn't be there... just doesn't work with my focus03:32
zequenceWell, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it03:33
Len-nbnot a phone for me, a small tablet might be nice though03:34
zequenceSome Windows programmer made some statements, and then took them back http://www.osnews.com/story/27023/Windows_slower_than_other_operating_systems_03:34
zequence05:33 < zequence> Well, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it03:35
zequenceDamn, middle mouse button03:35
Len-nbWindows is slow? this news? Win 7 that came on my netbook made it run like a 386 with win 3.1  :P03:41
zequenceI'm sure the Linux kernel is doing some things that the Windows kernel can't but one thing we can't do is get low latency with a generic kernel03:44
zequenceLuckily we can just build differente versions, but still, would be nice if the same kernel could change modes depending on needs, or requests from the applications03:45
zequenceFrom what I was told, the kernel would need to be redesigned for that to happen, but I'm not the one to judge what is really required for that03:46
zequenceActually, how hard would it really be to make some introductionary videos and put them up on youtube? Just show how you start jack, and stuff like that. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days to shoot some stuff, and add text to it. Then upload03:59
zequenceThink I'll do that some day03:59
zequenceThen fix a page for that on our website03:59
Len-nbzequence, with a generic kernel, I can tell it to not use a CPU core on startup. I can then use a utility to run user code on that core. That sounds like low latency to me... if I have 8 cores and only allow the OS to use one, I have 7 RT cores.04:21
Len-nbMust be a hole in that somewhere...04:21
Len-nbStill has to interact with the OS for system resources.04:22
Len-nbSo a low latency kernel could work though.04:23
zequenceWhat I mean is the generic kernel doesn't do preempt very well04:28
zequenceWhile the windows kernel is more dynamic when it comes to that04:28
zequenceThe same kernel can be used for low power usage, and low latency audio04:28
zequencewithout doing any configuration04:29
zequenceor reboots04:29
Len-nbthe app has to ask for it.04:29
zequenceYes, that's how it works on the windows kernel04:29
zequenceAnd, it would be nice if the same thing was true on generic04:30
micahgwindows kernel is also a behemoth AIUI04:30
Len-nbIt tries to be everything to everyone.04:32
zequenceWell, if that was true, it would run on all kinds of arches, from supercomputers to cell phones ;)04:32
Len-nbIt may have changed, but it seems to me it is a single user OS with multi user patched on top.04:33
zequenceLinux is everything to everyone, but needs to be built specifically for different use cases, and that of course make sense, if you're only going to be using it for one thing04:33
zequenceThe desktop is quite a broad use case04:34
Len-nbhp/ntfs is also single user at it's core04:34
zequencegotta run. time to go to school04:36
Len-nbEnjoy, bye04:36
zequencethanks :) bye04:36
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smartboyhwGood afternoon Ubuntu Studio people.08:51
smartboyhwzequence: For kdenlive, I think we have the merge item on TODO. Let me check.08:52
smartboyhwWe = Kubuntu08:54
smartboyhwDamn there isn't let me add one.08:54
DarkErahi all :)12:52
smartboyhw_Hello DarkEra:)12:55
DarkEraheya smartboyhw_  how are you doing?12:56
smartboyhw_DarkEra: Good12:57
DarkEra:)12:58
DarkErabbl again, shopping time13:15
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Len-nbThe blurb on "Image based updates" Is, I hope, miss-worded.21:19
Len-nbWhen it says opt out, I hope that means for certain use types (phones tablets) but not desktops/laptops.21:20
Len-nbI think for any machine that has added/removed SW, the apt update method should remain default.21:21
JTa /nick JTa_aFk22:27
Len-nbchromium as default browser?22:51
DarkEraLen-nb, in ubuntu studio?22:55
Len-nbIn ubuntu base or core22:56
Len-nbI don't think we add fire fox, I think we adopt it from the core.22:56
DarkErachromium as default would be great since i always install that one. 22:58
Len-nbNope it is in our seeds.22:58
Len-nbSo I guess we can decide what we want22:58
Len-nbI have a long standing bug with FF where it gets local dates wrong in some JS files.22:59
Len-nbanyway, chromium may just show up at some time...23:00
Len-nbIt looks like Unity is planning to launch all its apps using upstart.23:06
Len-nbI wonder how that works with non-dbus apps or if there is a wrapper.23:07
* Len-nb might be able to catch some of the last session on one of the days of UDS...23:12

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