[00:40] <zequence> len_1304: I don't think I have the time or energy to set up anything for UDS. Seems like there are so few of us, and I was more considering it a PR possibility more than actually getting work done
[00:41] <zequence> Good thing is there'll be another one in just 3 months, so I'll focus on that one instead
[00:41] <zequence> Tuesday is first day
[00:41] <zequence> len_1304: Have a look at the sessions, and see if there is something that interests you http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/
[00:41] <zequence> If nothing else, Xubuntu sessions, or community sessions
[00:43] <zequence> Besides, they still haven't corrected the bug which makes it seem like I'm already logged in, when I'm not.
[00:43] <zequence> And, thinking of that. I still haven't got my music I bought through Ubuntu One some months ago
[03:20] <Len-nb> zequence, may I assume the toolkit of choice is QT for ubuntu development?
[03:21] <Len-nb> (just looking at the schedules you pointed at :)
[03:22] <zequence> Len-nb: I suppose so, at least what Unity is concerned, and the phone in particular
[03:22] <Len-nb> Ya, lots of mobile talk.
[03:25] <Len-nb> lots of one size fits all. kind of like the adjustable wrench or vicegrips... 
[03:29] <Len-nb> xubuntu has at least 3 sessions I have found so far
[03:30] <zequence> busy people
[03:30] <Len-nb> All one person actually
[03:31] <Len-nb> I have seen the word "touch" about 10 times too many  :)
[03:32] <zequence> hehe
[03:32] <Len-nb> not because it shouldn't be there... just doesn't work with my focus
[03:33] <zequence> Well, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it
[03:34] <Len-nb> not a phone for me, a small tablet might be nice though
[03:34] <zequence> Some Windows programmer made some statements, and then took them back http://www.osnews.com/story/27023/Windows_slower_than_other_operating_systems_
[03:35] <zequence> 05:33 < zequence> Well, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it
[03:35] <zequence> Damn, middle mouse button
[03:41] <Len-nb> Windows is slow? this news? Win 7 that came on my netbook made it run like a 386 with win 3.1  :P
[03:44] <zequence> I'm sure the Linux kernel is doing some things that the Windows kernel can't but one thing we can't do is get low latency with a generic kernel
[03:45] <zequence> Luckily we can just build differente versions, but still, would be nice if the same kernel could change modes depending on needs, or requests from the applications
[03:46] <zequence> From what I was told, the kernel would need to be redesigned for that to happen, but I'm not the one to judge what is really required for that
[03:59] <zequence> Actually, how hard would it really be to make some introductionary videos and put them up on youtube? Just show how you start jack, and stuff like that. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days to shoot some stuff, and add text to it. Then upload
[03:59] <zequence> Think I'll do that some day
[03:59] <zequence> Then fix a page for that on our website
[04:21] <Len-nb> zequence, with a generic kernel, I can tell it to not use a CPU core on startup. I can then use a utility to run user code on that core. That sounds like low latency to me... if I have 8 cores and only allow the OS to use one, I have 7 RT cores.
[04:21] <Len-nb> Must be a hole in that somewhere...
[04:22] <Len-nb> Still has to interact with the OS for system resources.
[04:23] <Len-nb> So a low latency kernel could work though.
[04:28] <zequence> What I mean is the generic kernel doesn't do preempt very well
[04:28] <zequence> While the windows kernel is more dynamic when it comes to that
[04:28] <zequence> The same kernel can be used for low power usage, and low latency audio
[04:29] <zequence> without doing any configuration
[04:29] <zequence> or reboots
[04:29] <Len-nb> the app has to ask for it.
[04:29] <zequence> Yes, that's how it works on the windows kernel
[04:30] <zequence> And, it would be nice if the same thing was true on generic
[04:30] <micahg> windows kernel is also a behemoth AIUI
[04:32] <Len-nb> It tries to be everything to everyone.
[04:32] <zequence> Well, if that was true, it would run on all kinds of arches, from supercomputers to cell phones ;)
[04:33] <Len-nb> It may have changed, but it seems to me it is a single user OS with multi user patched on top.
[04:33] <zequence> Linux is everything to everyone, but needs to be built specifically for different use cases, and that of course make sense, if you're only going to be using it for one thing
[04:34] <zequence> The desktop is quite a broad use case
[04:34] <Len-nb> hp/ntfs is also single user at it's core
[04:36] <zequence> gotta run. time to go to school
[04:36] <Len-nb> Enjoy, bye
[04:36] <zequence> thanks :) bye
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Ubuntu Studio people.
[08:52] <smartboyhw> zequence: For kdenlive, I think we have the merge item on TODO. Let me check.
[08:54] <smartboyhw> We = Kubuntu
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Damn there isn't let me add one.
[12:52] <DarkEra> hi all :)
[12:55] <smartboyhw_> Hello DarkEra:)
[12:56] <DarkEra> heya smartboyhw_  how are you doing?
[12:57] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Good
[12:58] <DarkEra> :)
[13:15] <DarkEra> bbl again, shopping time
[21:19] <Len-nb> The blurb on "Image based updates" Is, I hope, miss-worded.
[21:20] <Len-nb> When it says opt out, I hope that means for certain use types (phones tablets) but not desktops/laptops.
[21:21] <Len-nb> I think for any machine that has added/removed SW, the apt update method should remain default.
[22:27] <JTa>  /nick JTa_aFk
[22:51] <Len-nb> chromium as default browser?
[22:55] <DarkEra> Len-nb, in ubuntu studio?
[22:56] <Len-nb> In ubuntu base or core
[22:56] <Len-nb> I don't think we add fire fox, I think we adopt it from the core.
[22:58] <DarkEra> chromium as default would be great since i always install that one. 
[22:58] <Len-nb> Nope it is in our seeds.
[22:58] <Len-nb> So I guess we can decide what we want
[22:59] <Len-nb> I have a long standing bug with FF where it gets local dates wrong in some JS files.
[23:00] <Len-nb> anyway, chromium may just show up at some time...
[23:06] <Len-nb> It looks like Unity is planning to launch all its apps using upstart.
[23:07] <Len-nb> I wonder how that works with non-dbus apps or if there is a wrapper.
[23:12]  * Len-nb might be able to catch some of the last session on one of the days of UDS...