[00:40] <kubotu_> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] Window Managers instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[01:04] <Guest19724> Anyone active?
[01:13] <Guest19724> Will doing a fresh install of linux via disk mess up my grub 2 duo boot setup?
[01:27] <Guest19724> I think I found a better question... why is it, despite all the software options now available to a software developer, that they still insist on utilizing this decrepit thing called IRC? Honestly you could probably circumvent more obstacles if you would just utilize your sound card and a microphone. raidcall or mumble are free...
[04:27] <ScottK> Guest91836: We do that sometimes.
[05:00] <valorie> I prefer IRC
[05:00] <valorie> it's asyncronous, and quotable
[05:00] <valorie> logs are searchable
[05:00] <valorie> etc.
[05:08] <Tm_T> they're gone already (:
[05:16] <jussi> would be nice though to supplement irc with some slightly more advanced protocol that allows us to do more...
[05:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: I lost the pim-runtime patch I was procrastinating about.  Please provide again and I'll upstream it.
[05:56] <valorie> jussi: we have a mumble server, courtesy of yofel
[05:56] <jussi> valorie: Im aware of that, but Im talking about a text+more protocol - like xmpp or so
[05:57] <valorie> ah
[05:57] <valorie> well, we have access to the KDE jabber server
[05:57] <valorie> will be cool when telepathy gets better
[06:03] <soee> good morning
[07:25] <Peace-> mmm but you guys ... you know that if you change default browser the infamous ubuntu-bug crashes after it has started the browser to report a bug ?
[07:25] <Peace-> it's not so good to see the bug reporter crash while you are reporting a bug 
[07:40] <valorie> Peace-: what do you mean exactly?
[08:54] <Peace-> valorie: i just did a bug report , ubuntu-bug xerver-xorg-video-intel 
[08:55] <Peace-> valorie: it did the job ...  at the moment to load the browser it crashed
[08:55] <Peace-> xD
[08:55] <valorie> damn
[08:55] <Peace-> with the default browser it doesn't crash
[08:55] <Peace-> with chromium and i guess even with firefox it crashes
[08:55] <valorie> wow
[08:55] <Peace-> funny
[08:56] <valorie> I dunno what the default browser in Ubuntu is though
[08:56] <Peace-> rekonq
[08:56] <valorie> not the same as ours,f or sure
[08:56] <Peace-> i use kubuntu 
[08:56] <Peace-> btw
[08:56] <valorie> right
[08:56] <valorie> of course
[08:56] <valorie> but apport isn't a kubuntu application
[08:56] <valorie> it's ubuntu > launchpad
[08:57] <Peace-> ok i will report xD
[08:57] <Peace-> if it doesn't crash
[08:57] <Peace-> a loop :P
[08:57] <valorie> lol
[08:57] <valorie> I guess half of the time I just file from the cli or right on launchpad
[08:58] <valorie> ooooo, we should put that in the docsw
[08:58] <valorie> docs
[08:58] <Peace-> btw someone has tried ours voip client ?
[08:59] <valorie> we have one?
[08:59] <valorie> so far the devels here are using mumble
[08:59] <valorie> but I don't think that's part of our "kubuntu-desktop"
[09:00] <Peace-> valorie: my friends have done a voip software from cli 
[09:00] <Peace-> valorie: http://holdenc.altervista.org/parole-conference/
[09:00] <Peace-> it's better than phone :)
[09:01] <valorie> cool
[09:01] <valorie> why such an odd name?
[09:01] <Peace-> ahhahaha
[09:02] <Peace-> valorie: it's italian btw it means words-conference
[09:02] <Peace-> you know naming is a pain in the ass
[09:02] <valorie> sure
[09:03] <valorie> in this case, I thought of immediately "people imprisoned having conference with parole officer"
[09:04] <valorie> not the best image
[09:04] <Peace-> lol
[09:04] <Peace-> valorie: if you have some other name :) tell me 
[09:05] <valorie> I would have to think for awhile
[09:05] <Peace-> valorie: would you test the software ?
[09:06] <Peace-> you need to open udp 8110 to call someone btw
[09:18] <valorie> Peace-: not tonight; going to bed in a tick
[09:18] <valorie> but the package is called opus
[09:18] <valorie> what's wrong with Opus Phone?
[09:18] <valorie> keep it simple
[09:18] <valorie> or even Phone Conference
[09:19] <Peace-> i will talk with my friends :)
[09:20] <valorie> what is 'phone' in italian?
[09:20] <Peace-> telefono 
[09:20] <valorie> that by itself would be a wonderful name
[09:20] <valorie> understandable in english too
[09:21] <Peace->  valorie are you american ?
[09:21] <valorie> yes
[09:21] <valorie> I suggest whatever name you consider, that you google it
[09:21] <Peace-> :D i thought french 
[09:21] <valorie> and see what pops up
[09:22] <valorie> I suggest doing that for "parole conference"
[09:22] <valorie> and you'll see what I mean
[09:22] <valorie> lol
[09:22] <valorie> I speak very little French
[09:22] <valorie> but have a few French friends
[09:23] <valorie> just curious -- why did you think I was french?
[09:23] <Peace-> name :D
[09:24] <valorie> true, Valery is french
[09:24] <valorie> but a male name
[09:24] <valorie> Russian too
[09:24] <valorie> not sure where my mother got it
[09:25] <Peace-> valorie: zimmerman is not german surname ?
[09:25] <valorie> yes, my husband's family is German
[09:26] <Peace-> dah
[09:26] <Peace-> ah 
[09:26] <valorie> although they came to the US in the 1850s
[09:26] <Peace-> lol
[09:26] <Peace-> i am italian since .... 1200 
[09:26] <valorie> hmmm, http://www.telefono.com/
[09:26] <Peace-> let me see
[09:27] <valorie> although it seems to be a not-working website
[09:27] <valorie> so maybe not a problem
[09:27] <Peace-> it's that the problem 
[09:28] <Peace-> everytime one choose a name , be sure someother has already choosen 
[09:29] <valorie> you aren't selling it though
[09:29] <valorie> AND you aren't trying to use that website
[09:29] <valorie> telefono.org might be available anyway
[09:29] <Peace-> i guess i know you ddo you write in planet kde ?
[09:29] <valorie> yes, as linuxgrandma
[09:30] <Peace-> ah yes
[09:30] <Peace-> :D
[09:30] <valorie> tomorrow I'll try setting it up
[09:30] <valorie> niters
[10:34] <Quintasan> \o
[10:36] <smartboyhw> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Ubuntu-Strikes-Out-on-Its-Own-Again-78015.html
[10:40] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: TBH I don't give a crap until they try to force something on us, I'd rather focus on making Kubuntu better than taking part in this pointless banter since Canonical will do whatever the hell what they want if they really think it's reasonable
[11:08] <Quintasan> yofel: Care to take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/ ?
[11:08] <Quintasan> kdeplasma-addons merge, hopefully good now
[11:09] <yofel> not for at least ~6h
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:09] <Quintasan> I see.
[11:09] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Hi
[11:09] <Quintasan> Maybe Riddell  can look at that then http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/
[11:09] <BluesKaj> hi Quintasan
[11:16] <Darkwing> good morning
[11:16] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing!!!
[11:16] <Darkwing> Hey smartboyhw_
[11:17] <Darkwing> Oh yeah, you wanted to ask some questions. :D I was on a Holiday... some family drama. :?
[11:17] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: I voted already…
[11:17] <Darkwing> ahh. Ok
[11:19] <Quintasan> Darkwing: \o
[11:19] <Darkwing> Morning Quintasan
[11:19] <Quintasan> Darkwing: got new shovel?
[11:19] <Darkwing> I did
[11:20] <Quintasan> Don't break it now!
[11:20] <Quintasan> :P
[11:20] <Darkwing> Dig out the rest of these bushes once it stops raining. LOL
[11:24] <Quintasan> Well, sounds like plan.
[11:25] <Darkwing> Oh yeah, I also got a C++ book :D
[11:25] <Quintasan> Sounds like a better plan
[11:25] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Write a program that digs out the bushes!
[11:26] <Darkwing> I've thought about building me a robot that runs on a Pi
[11:26] <Quintasan> Not bad
[11:26] <Quintasan> brb food
[11:28] <Darkwing> watch me break my email... :/
[11:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: that diff looks good
[11:55] <Darkwing> Morning Riddell
[12:00] <Darkwing> YES! Broke the filters lol
[12:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: I need a day off will look it up tomorrow ^^
[12:32] <Peace-> ah yofel with kernel 3.8.0 i got the resolutions :D 
[12:32] <yofel> ...
[12:33] <yofel> was that 3.9 before?
[12:36] <Peace-> yofel: 3.8.0-0-generic works  3.8.0-1-generic doesn't work 
[12:36] <yofel> where did you get those old versions from?
[12:37] <Peace-> yofel: i used kubuntu since alphas
[12:37] <Peace-> well the new fresh installtion doesn't just work 
[12:37] <yofel> so it doesn't work since -1 o.O?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> o.O
[12:37] <yofel> anyway, file a bug
[12:38] <Peace-> already filled
[12:38] <Peace-> yofel: before i had not the monitor
[12:38] <yofel> ah
[12:38] <yofel> tried mainline?
[12:39] <Peace-> nope 
[12:39] <Peace-> anyway i got a an answer from a guy on launchpad 
[12:40] <Peace-> ok my time is gone i need to go tooo :D
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> Hmm, anyone here looking at UDS?
[14:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:49] <Darkwing> No, not really smartboyhw_
[14:49] <Darkwing> I'll read the outtakes
[16:29] <yofel> is qtchooser supposed to do anything useful in raring/saucy?
[16:29] <yofel> $ sudo qtchooser                                                                                                                                                              
[16:29] <yofel> qtchooser: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qtchooser': No such file or directory
[16:30] <yofel> wasn't really what I expected
[16:48] <debfx> yofel: qtchooser handles all qt tools in /usr/bin/
[16:49] <debfx> you can call qtchooser with -print-env to see which qt is the default
[16:49] <yofel> aah, ok, I misunderstood how it works
[16:49] <yofel> thanks
[16:52] <debfx> Mirv: what do you think about my proposed fix for bug #1176686 on raring?
[18:50] <ahoneybun> val?
[18:50] <ahoneybun> valorie: 
[18:51] <valorie> I'll be back in a few, sorry
[18:51] <valorie> vUDS stuff now
[18:51] <ahoneybun> oh ok where do I go fo that
[18:52] <ahoneybun> *for
[18:56] <yofel> ahoneybun: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/
[18:56] <ahoneybun> thanks
[18:56]  * yofel sadly missed the testing session
[18:58] <ahoneybun> sorry
[18:59] <ahoneybun> what part are they on?
[19:01] <yofel> ahoneybun: the sessions? now's 19:01 UTC, so the last batch will start in 4min
[19:01] <ahoneybun> OH OK
[19:01] <yofel> there are sessions the next 2 days too, check if you're intersted in something
[19:02] <yofel> there's always an IRC channel for session discussion too if you have an opinion yourself
[19:02] <ahoneybun> well its 3pm here and 7 there
[19:02] <ahoneybun> 7pm
[19:03] <yofel> well, times are in UTC
[19:03] <ahoneybun> mobile power management lol
[19:03] <ahoneybun> I need that on any notebook with Linux
[19:03] <yofel> you can add that to the time widget, or type 'date -u' in konsole to find out what UTC time it is right now
[19:04]  * yofel always forgets because of DST -.-
[19:04] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:05] <ahoneybun> I like QtCreator
[19:06] <ahoneybun> no talk of documention (other then for the development release) and no talk of the KDE Active
[19:07] <ahoneybun> found the documentation
[19:07] <yofel> don't expect much KDE in there, we'll have our own session outside UDS
[19:07] <ahoneybun> I see Kubuntu backports and UEFI in there
[19:08] <yofel> and UDS is about the plans for the next release, so there's no talk about other releases there
[19:08] <ahoneybun> yea I see that they see the lack of work being done for the Ubuntu Doc Team
[19:08] <yofel> right, that's because we'll need changes in the seeds and the image build scripts for that
[19:08] <yofel> that's foundation stuff
[19:08] <ahoneybun> Yea
[19:09] <ahoneybun> well I can make it for the UDT stuff
[19:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hmm, I see, I should upload to saucy and push to bzr, riiight?
[19:10] <yofel> please, no matter what you do, do it the other way around
[19:10] <yofel> push to bzr, once that's clean, upload
[19:10] <Quintasan> yofel: Why is that?
[19:11] <yofel> people tend to forget about committing to bzr after they upload...
[19:24] <ahoneybun> yofel: if I wanted to upload my new design for the Kubuntu Docs, how would I go about doing that?
[19:24] <yofel> upload where?
[19:24] <ahoneybun> lp
[19:26] <yofel> you mean in the branch? You can push to a new branch owned by you and file a merge request
[19:27] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:29] <yofel> ahoneybun: ever did a merge request yet?
[19:29] <ahoneybun> no I don't have anything up to merge
[19:29] <yofel> ah, ok, first you'll have to commit what you changed
[19:30] <ahoneybun> I want to make a branch, no?
[19:30] <yofel> then you can push to a branch like lp:~your_lp_id/kubuntu-docs/some_meaningful_branch_name
[19:31] <yofel> it'll be created automatically if it doesn't exist yet
[19:31] <ahoneybun> oh I updated the image
[19:31] <ahoneybun> images
[19:32] <ahoneybun> and move the docs folders around
[19:33] <yofel> hm
[19:34] <yofel> ahoneybun: ever worked with bzr? (or any VCS for that matter)
[19:35] <ahoneybun> I used it to get the original kubuntu docs 
[19:35] <yofel> ok, if you have that branch, you need to first commit your changes there
[19:36] <yofel> you can 'bzr rm' files that are gone now, and 'bzr add' files that are new
[19:36] <yofel> for folders you would usually use 'bzr mv' to move them
[19:36] <yofel> well, for files too
[19:36] <ahoneybun> yea so I need to do that for all my changes?
[19:37] <yofel> yes
[19:37] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:37] <yofel> after that run 'bzr commit' and add a commit message that tells what you did
[19:37] <Quintasan> hueheuheuheuehueheuheueheuheuehue
[19:37] <Quintasan> uploading to saucy
[19:37] <yofel> btw
[19:38] <yofel> !bzr | ahoneybun
[19:38] <Quintasan> yofel: You know why I always do it the other way around? Sometime some weird things happen on builders which don't happen here
[19:38] <yofel> ahoneybun: that's a good intro for the basics
[19:38] <ahoneybun> yofel: what?
[19:38] <yofel> Quintasan: committing doesn't COST anything
[19:38] <yofel> ahoneybun: see link from ubottu
[19:39] <ahoneybun> I thought you were talking about my work lol
[19:39] <yofel> Quintasan: and builders means you'll have to increase the version anyway
[19:40] <Quintasan> True that
[19:43] <ahoneybun> like bzr mv kubuntu-docs/doc/development /kubuntu-docs/docs/Getting Involved?
[19:43] <yofel> you probably want 'cd kubuntu-docs; bzr mv doc/development docs/Getting\ Involved" or so
[19:44] <ahoneybun> oh boy I made so many changes
[19:44] <yofel> well
[19:44] <yofel> you can always just 'bzr add *'
[19:44] <yofel> and bzr should notice itself what's missing
[19:45] <ahoneybun> and bzr rm for the rest/
[19:45] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:46] <yofel> hm, try it without that. I don't think you need to explicitely rm deleted things again
[19:46] <yofel> at least not with bzr
[19:46] <yofel> bzr mv is just so the history tells you that it was moved, but if you already made a lot of changes it's probably not worth it
[19:46] <ahoneybun> I moved the folders about and welcome into a folder called Welcome
[19:47] <yofel> *blink*
[19:48] <yofel> kubuntu-docs still uses cdbs...
[19:49] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:49] <yofel> builds system, nothing you need to worry about right now
[19:49] <yofel> *build
[19:50] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:51] <yofel> it's what you use to make debian/rules easier. cdbs is the Common Debian Build System and is pretty much deprecated by dh7 these days
[19:51] <ahoneybun> the only thing updated is a NEWS text file lol
[19:54] <ahoneybun> says I can't upload to that branch
[19:54] <yofel> well, that was a template, you need to replace the id and branchname
[19:55] <yofel> what's your launchpad id?
[19:55] <ahoneybun> aaronhoneycutt
[19:55] <yofel> and do you have your ssh key on launchpad?
[19:55] <ahoneybun> yes
[19:56] <yofel> ok, so do 'bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/new-docs-layout' or so
[19:56] <yofel> that should work
[19:56] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[19:57] <yofel> o.O
[19:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:58] <yofel> where are you right now? (pwd)
[19:58] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[19:58] <ahoneybun> /home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs
[19:58] <ahoneybun> sorry
[19:58] <yofel> weird
[20:01] <ahoneybun> it is not a branch
[20:02] <yofel> how did you get the docs?
[20:02] <yofel> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs ?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:02] <yofel> that should work then @_@
[20:02] <ahoneybun> maybe pull it again, maybe I changed something
[20:03] <yofel> can you push to lp:~aaronhoneycutt/+junk/new-docs-layout
[20:03] <yofel> ?
[20:03] <yofel> maybe the project config is wrong
[20:03] <ahoneybun> same error
[20:03] <yofel> I don't get it
[20:07] <ahoneybun> or so I did cd .. and I get bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/aaron/Documents/".
[20:07] <yofel> now that's correct
[20:07] <yofel> I can't make sense of the other error though
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I had to enter bzr init
[20:09] <yofel> ahoneybun: what exact command are you running?
[20:09] <yofel> uh, that sounds wrong...
[20:10] <yofel> but google found me https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/772373
[20:11] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt
[20:11] <yofel> now you have an empty branch
[20:11] <ahoneybun> made the branch
[20:11] <ahoneybun> ea
[20:11] <yofel> i.e. not what you wanted
[20:11] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:12] <ahoneybun> now I can be in the /kubuntu-docs directory and use the bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/new-docs-layout command
[20:12] <ahoneybun> did it
[20:13]  * yofel gives up
[20:13] <ahoneybun> I don't
[20:13] <ahoneybun> its the original
[20:13] <yofel> well, it's at least progress
[20:14] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:14] <ahoneybun> it looks like it copied the lp:kubuntu-docs not mind
[20:14] <ahoneybun> mine
[20:14] <yofel> well, you have the history at least
[20:14] <yofel> now you need to commit what you have
[20:14] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:14] <yofel> (if you didn't yet)
[20:15] <ahoneybun> I did not do "bzr rm and so on
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I tried to do "bzr add /images/bin-snapshot.png" but gives me this bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/images/bin-snapshot/".
[20:18] <yofel> lesson about linux shells: if you start a path with /, then it's interpreted as an absolute path to root (/)
[20:19] <yofel> try bzr add images/bin-snapshot.png
[20:19] <yofel> or bzr add ./images/bin-snapshot.png
[20:19] <ahoneybun> oh crap yea
[20:20] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs/.bzr/checkout/".
[20:20] <ahoneybun> with the first one you said
[20:20] <yofel> wha?
[20:21] <ahoneybun> your seeing some weird things lol
[20:22] <yofel> well yeah, I haven't seen bzr be that uncooperative in quite a while
[20:22] <yofel> what happens if you run 'bzr info' or 'bzr log' in kubuntu-docs/ ?
[20:22] <ahoneybun> I want to one day get the wiki that me and valorie are woring on to be application
[20:23] <yofel> maybe ask Darkwing for help when he's around. He did some docs work quite a while ago
[20:23] <ahoneybun> with the first one: there is no shared repo or repo branch
[20:23] <yofel> huh
[20:24] <ahoneybun> the next one is long
[20:24] <yofel> what the first one *should* print is:
[20:24] <yofel> $ bzr info
[20:24] <yofel> Checkout (format: 2a)
[20:24] <yofel> Location:
[20:24] <yofel>        checkout root: .
[20:24] <yofel>   checkout of branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/kubuntu-docs/
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Repository branch (format: 2a)
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Location:
[20:25] <ahoneybun>   shared repository: .
[20:25] <ahoneybun>   repository branch: .
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Related branches:
[20:25] <ahoneybun>     push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/new-docs-layout/
[20:25] <ahoneybun>   parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/kubuntu-docs/
[20:26] <yofel> ok, I did a checkout, not branch, let me try again
[20:26] <yofel> still different
[20:26] <yofel> $ bzr info
[20:26] <yofel> Standalone tree (format: 2a)
[20:26] <yofel> Location:
[20:26] <yofel>   branch root: .
[20:26] <yofel> Related branches:
[20:26] <yofel>   parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/kubuntu-docs/
[20:26] <yofel> all I did was 'bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs'
[20:27] <yofel> with the shared stuff it's probably something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/772373 after all
[20:27] <ahoneybun> see the repository branch
[20:27] <Darkwing> Give me COB tomorrow and I'll have a branch setup for Saucy
[20:27] <yofel> I haven't used shared repositories for a long time
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I have that and you have Standalone tree
[20:28] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: what?
[20:28] <Darkwing> Docs branch.
[20:28] <yofel> shared repositories is usually making branches inside branches to share history (saves space)
[20:28] <Darkwing> kubuntu-docs is a forward for each release branch.
[20:28] <ahoneybun> oh ok but I'm working the Raring
[20:28] <ahoneybun> the branch is /kubuntu-docs/changes
[20:29] <yofel> do you have a .bzr folder in Documents or home maybe?
[20:29] <ahoneybun> whatever not the main
[20:29] <ahoneybun> in docs
[20:29] <Darkwing> Can you save in a PPA for now till I get the +1 docs ready, then do a merge proposial?
[20:29] <Darkwing> I'm a little behind just coming off holiday
[20:30] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: sure I can true, what do I put in the PPA? 
[20:30]  * yofel has to leave bzr alone for now, or he'll never get this digikam merge finished
[20:30] <Quintasan> Gotta also translate the docs at some point
[20:30] <Darkwing> Any changes you make?
[20:30] <Darkwing> Quintasan: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out a good timeline for that.
[20:31] <Darkwing> That was the wrong time to have family issues lol
[20:31] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: so just throw the whole thing in there?
[20:31] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: I'm assuming that you are going to be doing some doc work?
[20:31] <Quintasan> Like hell that was totally dependant on you at that time Darkwing
[20:31] <Darkwing> I am kinda the senior doc guy
[20:32] <Darkwing> I REALLY want to switch to an online wiki
[20:32] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: right now I'm just working on importing the doc team's work to a wiki
[20:32] <Darkwing> what wiki where?
[20:32] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[20:33] <Darkwing> Awesome. ahoneybun, can you email me david.wonderly@kubuntu?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> sure!
[20:33] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Awesome.
[20:33] <yofel> apachelogger had something against using wiki's. But I'm not convinced that website or so would be better (and we don't have help.kubuntu.org)
[20:34] <Darkwing> The idea will be to mimic docs.kde.org or techbase.kde.org
[20:34] <ahoneybun> Well offline use would be cool
[20:35] <Darkwing> Here is the thing about using one of those with a different wiki.
[20:35] <Darkwing> We would be able to export the wiki to docbook INCLUDING translations to ship for offline use.
[20:35] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I can not send it
[20:35] <Darkwing> david.wonderly@kubuntu.org
[20:36] <ahoneybun> silly me, got it!
[20:36] <Darkwing> Currently we cannot do this with the current mionmion install becaue Canonical has export=docbook turned off.
[20:37] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: thanks, Do you have any expirence with DocBook?
[20:37] <ahoneybun> still cannot add anything to it
[20:38] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: You going to be around tomorrow?
[20:38] <ahoneybun> not really but I was reading the wiki on it a bit
[20:38] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: for about a 1 hour 
[20:38] <Darkwing> ping me tomorrow when you are on.
[20:38] <ahoneybun> like this?
[20:39] <Darkwing> I should have things setup a bit better then.
[20:39] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: 
[20:39] <Darkwing> Yup
[20:39] <ahoneybun> ok I'm trying to push my changes
[20:39] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I updated and added images and moved things around match the wiki
[20:40] <Darkwing> You can't push to kubuntu-docs because you are not a member of the doc-contributers
[20:41] <Darkwing> The way to upload docs is to upload it to a personal branch and do a merge request
[20:41] <ahoneybun> that one
[20:41] <Darkwing> Any of the lp:kubuntu-docs/*
[20:42] <Darkwing> because control of kubuntu-docs is locked to a restricted team.
[20:42] <ahoneybun> my branch is lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring
[20:42] <Darkwing> that should be allowed to push to.
[20:43] <Darkwing> What's the error?
[20:43] <yofel> that's what he tried, but he somehow managed to create a shared bzr repository and now bzr refuses to do much
[20:43]  * Darkwing slowly raises an eyebrow
[20:43] <yofel> ahoneybun: is there a .bzr folder in any of the directories above the location where you have kubuntu-docs in?
[20:44] <ahoneybun> I removed the one in Documents
[20:44] <yofel> ok, that might help, but I'm not sure if you can re-use the current branch
[20:44] <ahoneybun> i made a new one
[20:44] <yofel> you might have to branch again and move your changes there
[20:44] <ahoneybun> ok 
[20:44] <yofel> hm, that should work then
[20:45] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: before you try to merge, wait till I get the +1 up and running.
[20:45] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I'm just going to get this working first
[20:45] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Okay mate.
[20:45] <ahoneybun> one thing at a time
[20:46] <Darkwing> :D
[20:46] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:48]  * yofel merged digikam and has a 25-line changelog entry for the remaining changes
[20:48] <yofel> fail -.-
[20:48] <ahoneybun> ok I deleted all my branchs
[20:48] <ahoneybun> es
[20:49] <ahoneybun> making a new one
[20:50] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I made the changes in my version but it will not push my version just the last one on the official pasge
[20:50] <ahoneybun> page
[20:51] <Darkwing> What commands are you using?
[20:52] <ahoneybun> bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring to make it
[20:52] <ahoneybun> bzr add lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring images/bin-snapshot.png to add a new image
[20:52] <ahoneybun> error from the last command bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring/".
[20:53] <Darkwing> Because you have a space between raring and images I think.
[20:53] <yofel> no, that add command is wrong
[20:53] <yofel> the branch URL doesn't belong in ther
[20:53] <yofel> e
[20:53] <yofel> *just* bzr add images/bin-snapshot.png
[20:53] <Darkwing> and the add is wrong
[20:53] <Darkwing> But, no spaces either.
[20:54] <ahoneybun> spaces?
[20:54] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs/.bzr/checkout/".
[20:54] <ahoneybun> aaron@aaron-A75MH:~/Documents/kub
[20:54] <Darkwing> lp:~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring images/bin-snapshot.png
[20:54] <Darkwing>                                                                             ^  <-- there
[20:55] <ahoneybun> so what do I type?
[20:55]  * yofel notes that Darkwing does not use monospace for IRC ^^
[20:55] <Darkwing> LOL
[20:55] <Darkwing> I prolly shoudl eh?
[20:56] <yofel> well, depends whether the other person uses it too, otherwise it's useless
[20:57] <Darkwing> Meh
[20:57] <yofel> ahoneybun: you want to add images/bin-snapshot.png, right?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:57] <yofel> good, run:
[20:57] <yofel> bzr add images/bin-snapshot.png
[20:57] <yofel> *exactly* like that
[20:57] <ahoneybun> aaron@aaron-A75MH:~/Documents/kubuntu-docs$ bzr add images/bin-snapshot.png 
[20:57] <ahoneybun> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/aaron/Documents/kubuntu-docs/.bzr/checkout/".
[20:58] <yofel> grrrr, how did it get messed up this time
[20:58] <Darkwing> How are you adding the branch?
[20:58] <Darkwing> Aaaaaaaaand this is why I *hate* bzr
[20:58] <Darkwing> I would MUCH rather use git
[20:59] <yofel> hard to say whether git's level of complexity would make things easier right now...
[20:59] <yofel> though it doesn't break as easy, true
[20:59] <Darkwing> forking and pushing to a new branch? simple.
[20:59] <Darkwing> THen request the merge from there.
[21:00] <ahoneybun> http://paste.kde.org/743936/
[21:01] <yofel> huh
[21:01] <ahoneybun> my bad
[21:01] <yofel> now that went totally south
[21:01] <Darkwing> That's interesting
[21:01] <ahoneybun> good thing I save the one on my pi
[21:01] <Quintasan> christ
[21:01] <Quintasan> bzr
[21:05] <ahoneybun> anyway got to go
[21:05] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I will work on getting the PPA up  later
[21:05] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Okay mate
[21:06] <ahoneybun> I'll have questions for sure
[21:06] <ahoneybun> anyway bye people
[21:26] <valorie> huh, netsplit?
[21:30] <Riddell> evening
[21:42] <apachelogger> yofel: no I had something against using wiki.kubuntu as that is for internal purposes
[21:42] <apachelogger> like community.kde
[21:42] <apachelogger> whereas userbase.kde is for user facing stuff
[21:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: this is for docs?
[21:43] <apachelogger> yes
[21:43] <valorie> apachelogger: I think it would be good to have the wiki as "docs in progress"
[21:43] <valorie> and put them in the website when they are done
[21:44] <valorie> then we can use the wiki to update for the next cycle if necessary
[21:44] <apachelogger> sure
[21:44] <valorie> right now, they are very much in progress
[21:44] <valorie> what we had in bzr was sad
[21:45] <valorie> I very much hope we can get an export function working, because making two sets of docs match "by hand" is not something I want to be a part of
[21:45] <apachelogger> ...
[21:45] <apachelogger> if you were using mediawiki.... :P
[21:45] <valorie> reading the backlog makes me despair
[21:45] <valorie> right
[21:45] <valorie> moinmoin makes me insane
[21:45] <valorie> soooo glad ahoneybun is taking the lead there
[21:46] <valorie> so far he doesn't appear insane at least......
[22:05] <Riddell> valorie: agree on putting them on website (and in a package)
[22:06] <valorie> btw, i attended the community vUDS session about putting the community link back onto the ubuntu.com page
[22:06] <valorie> seems it is in work, and the design team is a bit chastened by their lack of up-front communication about that
[22:07] <valorie> no explanation why it had to disappear in the first place, beyond the "blahblahblah /community link isn't ready"
[22:12] <valorie> re-reading ben's bug report, it's really discouraging how 'sides' have formed
[22:12] <valorie> class struggles are the worst when class is the elephant in the room
[22:22] <Riddell> valorie: did you attend anything else interesting?
[22:23] <valorie> I also was in the ubuntu women planning session
[22:23] <valorie> with my kub. hat
[22:23] <valorie> :-)