[04:11] <Mirv> morning
[04:47] <pitti> Good morning
[05:57] <didrocks> good morning
[06:04] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[06:31] <mlankhorst> g'day maaate
[06:36] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[06:44] <RAOF> Good evening gentlemen. I trust the hour finds you well?
[06:50] <jibel> good morning
[07:04] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst, chrisccoulson, RAOF, jibel!
[07:04] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[07:05] <didrocks> jibel: c'était bien tes vacances? ;)
[07:06] <mlankhorst> bonjour
[07:06] <mlankhorst> ça va
[07:06] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi? :)
[07:06] <mlankhorst> ça va mouveais, nouveau crashed
[07:07] <didrocks> :)
[07:07] <mlankhorst> 90% sure I spelled it wrong
[07:07] <mlankhorst> mauvais?
[07:07] <didrocks> "nouveau" was spelt fine :)
[07:07] <didrocks> ouai, mauvais
[07:07] <jibel> salut didrocks! très reposantes et toi ces qq jours ?
[07:08] <didrocks> jibel: bien bien aussi, beau temps, c'était sympa :)
[07:08] <didrocks> jibel: tu commences à t'habituer à ta nouvelle maison?
[07:16] <didrocks> jibel: oh, as well, it seems the saucy pbuilder didn't got eatmydata installed for daily release, do you mind doing so?
[07:31] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:32] <didrocks> salut seb128, bonne semaine off? :)
[07:32] <seb128> didrocks, lut, oui, et toi ?
[07:32] <seb128> wb!
[07:32] <didrocks> wb as well! ;)
[07:32] <didrocks> seb128: très bien, soleil, temps splendide :)
[07:33] <jibel> didrocks, k, on it
[07:33] <didrocks> jibel: merci!
[07:33] <seb128> lut jibel
[07:34] <seb128> didrocks, lucky you, it's 15°C and windy and rainy since sunday here
[07:34] <jibel> Salut seb128
[07:34] <didrocks> urgh :(
[07:34] <didrocks> seb128: come to Lyon ;-)
[07:34] <didrocks> blue sky here
[07:35] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy it today: http://www.meteo-lyon.net/previsions.php
[07:35] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I know, it's getting bad :(
[07:35] <seb128> rains from tomorrow until eow every day for you then ;-)
[07:36] <didrocks> seb128: ah you are smiling? you are so mean :p
[07:36] <seb128> lol
[07:37] <seb128> thursday is 10°C under the norms with 10.5°C :-/
[07:37] <seb128> oh well, we will not regret to be stucked on the computer for vUDS at least...
[07:37] <mlankhorst> half the days will be under the median temperature for that day
[07:37] <mlankhorst> :P
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/13/rain-england-wales?CMP=twt_gu ;)
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: right ;)
[07:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, you would expect that from england :p
[07:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you btw? ;-)
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, tired ;)
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[07:42] <seb128> good, a bit tired as well though
[07:44] <seb128> didrocks, so, with vUDS, want a short meeting anyway for people who are not in a session?
[07:44] <seb128> e.g do you want to use the checkpoint
[07:44] <seb128> or should we skip?
[07:45] <didrocks> seb128: I would say skip, I'm pinging people directly today to catch up anyway :)
[07:45] <didrocks> even robru was up late for him to keep me posted this early morning :)
[07:45] <seb128> ok
[07:46] <robru> it's easier for me to stay up late than to get up early ;-)
[07:51] <didrocks> :)
[07:51] <didrocks> robru: depends on who you spoke too, I'm an early bird
[07:52] <robru> didrocks, yeah... I said easier for *me* ;-)
[07:52] <didrocks> ;)
[08:03] <Laney> hallo
[08:04] <pitti> bonjour didrocks et seb128
[08:04] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson and Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> salut pitti, ça va?
[08:04]  * pitti waves to mlankhorst, too
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[08:04] <pitti> wow, you go out for 45 mins for running and suddenly everyone is here :)
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien ! Je suis allé courier
[08:05] <Laney> party in #ubuntu-desktop
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va ?
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, il ne pleut pas chez toi ?
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: non, il y a soleil
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: I was here way before and felt lonely in the chan :p
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, chanceux
[08:06] <pitti> (si c'est correct)
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: high five!
[08:06] <didrocks> let seb128 alone with his rain :p
[08:07]  * pitti ^5s didrocks
[08:07] <seb128> bah
[08:07]  * mlankhorst waves to pitti 
[08:07]  * pitti donne une accolade à seb128
[08:08]  * seb128 donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[08:11]  * Laney spies activity on his uploaded SRUs
[08:11] <Laney> thanks pitti and the TB ;-)
[08:13] <pitti> heh
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, what did the TB decide?
[08:14]  * seb128 just reading the summary
[08:14] <seb128> we need more sru team members :/
[08:14] <Laney> no decision, but they prodded the SRU team
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> decision on what?
[08:15] <Laney> well there was an interesting point there that perhaps more team members makes everyone do less work
[08:15] <seb128> well, prodding is not really useful when the issue is team being too small and overworked
[08:15] <Laney> speeding up srus
[08:15] <seb128> well, you need people wanting to join for that
[08:15] <seb128> I don't think the SRU team has ever refused valid candidate
[08:15] <seb128> it's just that nobody has been stepping up to join
[08:17]  * Laney shrugs - don't know how the members feel, will see if they respond
[08:17] <seb128> well, last time I discussed the delay issue with slangasek he replied with a "feel free to join and help with reviews"
[08:17] <Laney> at least the software-center one got accepted though - that was a top report on errors
[08:18] <seb128> well, direct IRC prodding usually works
[08:18] <seb128> I guess dobey did that
[08:19] <Laney> don't know
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: well, there was a decision -- we keep the four-eyes principle, i. e. sru team review
[08:19] <Laney> OK, a decision as opposed to a change
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: yeah, I don't believe that a team of 8 people works well on something like SRU
[08:19] <pitti> rotations with a 3-people team work much better IMHO, otherwise the responsibility is too diluted
[08:20] <seb128> the problem is to find 3 people with enough time to allocate to reviews
[08:21] <Laney> seems like it's hard for people to be able to allocate regular slots of time
[08:25] <seb128> it's like sponsoring
[08:25] <seb128> half of the team doesn't do their shift
[08:25] <seb128> some people never do any
[08:25]  * seb128 looks at chrisccoulson :p
[08:57] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: care to look at a LO question that came in to LP please. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/228802
[09:02] <seb128> czajkowski, hey, how are you?
[09:02] <czajkowski> seb128: not bad now thanks, working away and keeping busy and not broken my machine lately :)
[09:03] <seb128> ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> on saucy yet?
[09:03] <czajkowski> nope
[09:03] <Laney> muhahaha
[09:03] <czajkowski> I dont want to drive seb128 bonkers :)
[09:03] <seb128> lol
[09:03] <czajkowski> I still have a wifi issue I cannot work out at my bf house on his network but that's not a desktop issue
[09:03] <czajkowski> overall raring is pretty sweet tbh
[09:10] <ogra_> raring ... pfft ... old stuff
[09:12]  * Laney is always amazed by how good my connection to cdimage is
[09:12] <Laney> 12MB/s
[09:13] <czajkowski> ogra_: I'm clearly havibg better luck than some though https://twitter.com/sdanaipat/status/334234693744615424/photo/1
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, are you at the office in London? :p
[09:14] <Laney> haha, I am not
[09:14] <ogra_> well, he should better not use the new camouflage mode :P
[09:14] <czajkowski> Laney: coming to london any time soon
[09:14] <Laney> downloading ISOs is the only time I ever see a download maxing out my connection
[09:15] <Laney> guess VM peer with canonical's upstream or something
[09:15] <Laney> czajkowski: no plans
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, is that a dsl line? /me wonder how you u.k guys get such bandwith :p
[09:16] <Laney> cable
[09:16] <Laney> it's only available in quite limited areas, i got lucky
[09:16] <Laney> otherwise FTTC (and some limited FTTH) is starting to roll out
[09:16] <seb128> k, we just have a lucky set with you and chrisccoulson there then ;-)
[09:17] <Laney> but if you're in a rural area like my parents you're often out of luck - they get <1mbit
[09:18] <Laney> mobile internet would be better for them probably :/
[09:18] <seb128> it's about the same here, I'm in a small city and I get ~5Mbit on my dsl line
[09:18] <seb128> which is ok
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, Laney, https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/333877250644664320 ;)
[09:18] <czajkowski> Laney: who are you with for broadband ?
[09:18] <Laney> virgin
[09:19] <Laney> chrisccoulson: nice!
[09:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, shrug, your upload is three time my download, no fun :p
[09:19] <Laney> I looked at infinity but line rental makes it more than VM :(
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, heh :)
[09:21] <czajkowski> hate Virgin, drove me insane for 3 days last week with a fault on the line
[09:21] <czajkowski> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2706848821.png  :-)
[09:21] <Laney> seems quite variable across the country; always (touch wood) been rock solid here
[09:21] <Laney> maybe because they have a couple of offices in nottm
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> i see a lot of people complaining about virgin
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> my connection is rock solid :)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> although, i'm quite lucky. my house is pretty much a stone throw away from the cabinet
[09:23] <Laney> yeah mine is right on the street here too, so if I went fttc it'd be pretty good
[09:25] <Laney> come a long way from our 14.4 modem :-)
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> hah, could you imagine me uploading firefox across a 14.4k modem?
[09:31] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: done
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> it would take an entire day to upload firefox to the archive on a 14.4k connection
[09:31] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: thanks
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> whereas it takes just over a minute on my connection :)
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> hah, seb128 will like https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/334239133016928257 ;)
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol
[09:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I like how you guys hate us, 'least trustworthy: france" ... come on ;-)
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:37] <Sweetshark> saw that before, happy that Germany wins! (... at least in most arrogant and least compassionate ....)
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> it looks like the greek don't like the germans too ;)
[09:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's a bit weird how french listed France as most and least arrogant at the same time
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> lol @ the polish answer to "most trustworthy" and "least trustworthy"
[09:41] <Sweetshark> euro is done now anyway, with france buying all the money that japan is printing out of thin air. What could possibly go wrong: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/05/20130513_oat1.jpg
[09:45] <jpds> Sweetshark: http://is.gd/lt9Qbp
[09:54] <Sweetshark> jpds: well yeah, most of europe is still better off than the UK which deindustrialized itself in the last decades for the brave new world of becoming just one big bank and nothing else ...
[10:28] <seb128> pitti, btw, did you sort out your hangout issues?
[10:28] <pitti> good point, testing now
[10:29] <pitti> hm, just works again
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, I'm just wondering if that's a real bug that's going to hit people for vUDS
[10:29] <seb128> k
[10:29] <seb128> works for me as well
[10:33] <Sweetshark> seb128: if its a real bug, it will be clever enough to hide right until the party starts ...
[12:23] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: http://t.co/88SuYdFm4U  better:)
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, you don't fancy debugging a test failing on arm by any chance? ;-)
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsoup2.4/2.42.2-3/+build/4567653
[13:15] <czajkowski> seb128: I think he's hiding on yu
[13:15] <czajkowski> *you
[13:15] <seb128> czajkowski, typical pitti? ;-)
[13:15] <czajkowski> seb128: geting the hair done for his hangouts today, clearly! :)
[13:15] <seb128> hehe
[13:18] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the glib update ;-)
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> do we just go to pitti if we want failing tests debugging? :)
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/220/#showFailuresLink
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> :P
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: I can debug it on the nexus
[13:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, you can try (that's what I'm doing) :p
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: tomorrow morning ok? I'm still working on pkg-create-dbgsym, and UDS is soon
[13:19]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, sure, no hurry, I just noticed that jbicha synced it a while ago and it has been failing to build on arm for some weeks/versions
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, seems like it's failing for debian as well
[13:35] <dobey> seb128: actually, was about to ping about software-center sru for raring when i saw infinity had accepted it already. last i pinged about it was about 2 weeks ago. need to ping about the rhythmbox-ubuntuone ones as well. and i guess i need to shove some more "info" in the bugs :-/
[17:08] <seb128> dobey, hey, did you test software-center with gtk 3.8? there are issues between the two apparently
[17:10] <dobey> seb128: i haven't  myself no. but gtk 3.7 did break something and causes a BadMatch or something, yes. there are bugs about it
[17:11] <dobey> seb128: but i don't see why software-center itself would be the cause of the bug. seems like a regression in gtk+ to me
[17:11] <seb128> dobey, I guess we should investigate that before getting gtk 3.8 in the archive
[17:11] <seb128> I would like to upload the new gtk soon, it's blocking quite some other updates
[17:11] <seb128> dobey, do you think there is any chance you could have a look to that a bit this week?
[17:15] <Sweetsha1k> larsu_, tedg: FYI https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64560 LibreOffice 4.0 unity integration seems to needs additional backports to work properly on 12.04. Any hints?
[17:15] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 64560 in Writer "Cannot use Table menu entries on Unity" [Major,Resolved: notourbug]
[17:15] <dobey> seb128: maybe but probably not. maybe we could ask jbicha to debug a bit?
[17:15] <dobey> anyway, i need to get lunch now, and take care of a couple things during lunch break.
[17:16] <tedg> Sweetsha1k, I don't think that 12.04 used the GMenu based indicator-appmenu...
[17:16] <seb128> dobey, ok, thanks, enjoy lunch!
[17:16] <tedg> Sweetsha1k, I think you'll need a backport of a more recent indicator-appmenu to make that work.
[17:34] <Sweetsha1k> tedg: ... or dump unity integration for those backports and tell people to use the (also flaky) lo-menubar if the absolutely want it.
[17:37] <tedg> Sweetsha1k, Yeah, that's probably more reasonable.
[17:39] <Sweetsha1k> tedg: ok, will go for that then. Just wanting to make sure, there is no quick-n easy fix.
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> oh, pitti's pkg-create-dbgsym fix - can we have that as a SRU for other releases? ;)
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure my PPA's are swallowing space
[19:27] <pitti> I guess you might actually be able to talk infinity into accepting it
[19:27] <pitti> as we want to switch to storing ddebs in the librarian soon
[19:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you have both have a dbg and a dbgsym in the ppas?
[19:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, why did you enable ddebs in the ppa if you have a dbg?
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, don't i need ddebs for retracing to work?
[19:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think apport fallbacks to using -dbg when there is not, but I'm not sure
[19:30] <seb128> pitti knows better ;-)
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> i guess i could turn one of them off
[19:31] <pitti> correct
[19:31] <pitti> I fixed apport in saucy today to do that more properly
[19:31] <pitti> (and the retracers in the DC)
[19:31] <pitti> but for almost all cases it was workign correctly before already
[19:31]  * pitti waves good night
[19:32] <seb128> pitti, 'night