[13:42] join #ubuntu-uds-plenary === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//appdev-1/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 === nik90_UDS is now known as nik90 === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | App Developer Roundtable | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21820/app-developer-roundtable/ [14:55] Isn't there supposed to be a session in here? [14:57] rafaelmartinez: it starts in 10 minutes [14:57] cool [15:03] ? [15:04] o/ [15:06] o/ [15:06] \o [15:08] there's like a ground bass sound coming from one of your mics :) [15:10] CimiUDS yes, I hear that sound aswell [15:10] tuuuuuuuuuuuu :D [15:10] I'll join if there is room for me [15:10] ckpringle_: lol [15:11] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/383298df913cb329379b8935f835f2c8cafa0b89 [15:11] still hear it [15:11] just mute mics [15:11] for anyone wanting to join [15:11] yep [15:11] yea [15:11] :) [15:11] CimiUDS: can you see my lower third? [15:11] ckpringle_: lower third? you mean your name? no [15:12] CimiUDS: now? [15:12] no, but I know who you are :) [15:12] ckpringle_: nope [15:13] dpm-uds: I have the feeling you just have one of your jacks plugged in partly or badly [15:13] ckpringle_: yes now [15:13] CimiUDS: nik90 \o/ [15:15] Wow! [15:16] ckpringle_: hi [15:16] nik90: hey dude [15:16] nik90: how are you? [15:16] so where do we chat? on the left or on the right? [15:17] ckpringle_: great :) [15:17] rafaelmartinez:here [15:17] ckpringle_: I no longer see you in our design hangouts [15:18] nik90: :( you will again now, I was in Oakland for a sprint then holiday in Portugal :D [15:18] nik90: can't you see my tan?! [15:18] mhall119_uds: thanks === ts2 is now known as tsimpson_ [15:19] ckpringle_: ah ... hehe [15:19] ckpringle_: you are a very small box in the hangout video at the moment. [15:20] nik90: small box? Smaller than everyone else? [15:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide [15:21] ckpringle_: not smaller than evyerone else..but smaller than the current speaker. [15:23] why are there two chats (on the left and on the right)? [15:24] csdev: just use the irc chat (on the left). [15:24] nik90: thanks [15:24] csdev: the chat on the right is just part of etherpad for collaborative editing [15:27] QUESTION: Why cant we use quickly for other stuff like unity-lens creation or web apps template? === Kaleo is now known as KaleoUDS [15:30] I think qtcreator does not provide syntax highlight for other languages. [15:30] yeah qtcreator is awesome! [15:31] yeah it answered the question [15:31] thnx [15:32] QUESTION: Will the design of the Ubuntu SDK Components change between desktop and mobile (tablet and phone)? [15:32] as in theme [15:32] We can hear David very bad. [15:33] dpm-uds: check your mic / headphone cable jack! [15:36] CimiUDS, is my mike any better? [15:37] dpm-uds: if you're not muted, it's great now! [15:38] yes! [15:43] this may be not so general, but is there anyway that applications send data to each other? I'm thinking about an Intent-like structure from android [15:46] thanks! [15:53] I'd be interested. I liked the intro Jono made for Quickly... [15:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing [15:57] so am I the only one who doesn't see any video? === t1mp_ is now known as t1mp === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | SDK feedback from App Developers | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21825/appdev-1305-sdk-feedback/ [16:04] So jonobacon, when are you going to finally get around to that beer? :D [16:05] JoshStrobl: when the last session is done :-) [16:07] waiting for google to get the hangout ready... [16:07] mhall119_uds: :-) [16:07] drop me a URL when it is up [16:07] brb [16:08] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en for anyone who wants to join [16:10] u r live [16:10] the hangout is live [16:10] yes, I see the hangout [16:11] jonobacon: hangout link? [16:11] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en [16:11] kaleo_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7bd48b7a6dc3ce9499ae52e2fb3e1e9d8f160a57?authuser=1&hl=en === kaleo_ is now known as Kaleo [16:11] cheers [16:25] http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Developing_with_Qt::Performance-Tips [16:25] Kaleo, ^^ [16:28] kenvandine: GPU programming tips https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1L6sXEowkzpUx3gUvO_3q76h9EsMzHSnzzJedjgFzTF0 [16:29] Kaleo: can we get that content on developer.ubuntu.com ? [16:33] QUESTION: I would like to have more information about plans for including typical mobile needs (e.g. maps / accelerometer / compass /...) directly in the Ubuntu SDK. (The qml-mobile versions I found are mostly about Nokia stuff...) [16:34] mhall119_uds, ^^ [16:37] So maybe this is a better place to ask if there is a way of communicating with other apps like android has intents? [16:37] mostly , yes [16:37] mhall119_uds, gps API will be available soon [16:37] for maps [16:37] just ignore if it isn't relevant :D [16:37] schwarzburg: qtsensors module is the msot ready to use at the moment, you can for example use it to get acceleration data [16:37] ok, thanks [16:38] kenvandine: best performance related documentation: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-performance.html [16:41] Kaleo, is there a good answer to the question about something similar to intents above? [16:42] mhall119_uds, thats the other session running right now, background tasks [16:44] is this live ? [16:45] bobweaver:yes [16:45] Kaleo, ha... one of the things to avoid "calling JavaScript functions" [16:45] never use guy [16:45] gu * [16:45] use math [16:47] why not let the mainview define what files or links or data the app loads? an app always has exactly one mainview, so... [16:47] why not use mimetype the way unity 2d did ? [16:48] so application id and mimetype [16:48] here is the bug related to the toolbar tests: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1177341 [16:48] Launchpad bug 1177341 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Need to expose custom autopilot APIs for Toolbar and Tabs" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Juhapekka Piiroinen (juhapekka-piiroinen) [16:50] libunity [16:50] ok, that seems like a good solution for the intent problem, if it will be ported [16:51] Question: Any plans for "email" echoMode / inputMask for Ubuntu SDK's TextField? [16:51] mhall119_uds, yes, it will come from the settings work [16:52] why not just set via user and file a sqllight DB ? [16:52] QUESTIONS ^^ [16:52] then users can use DB in there app [16:52] like a common DB [16:52] Questions ^ [16:53] date time picker [16:54] bobweaver:set what? [16:54] JoshStrobl: ping [16:55] Yes [16:55] I am developing a two-step authenticator [16:55] First input is email [16:55] I'd prefer to not have to deal with validation on the software end, rather just via QML [16:55] why not just use Ubuntu SSO in web view [16:55] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-textfield.html [16:56] validator property [16:56] mhall119_uds, you seem to be getting these posts quite late, maybe the webchat client? [16:56] mhall119_uds: set ? [16:57] alrighty [16:57] figured I'd ask [16:57] JoshStrobl: best is to file a bug so that we don't forget about it [16:57] just a suggestion for auth [16:57] mhall119_uds: ^^ [16:57] I'd prefer native over webview [16:57] like a web engine [16:57] mhall119_uds, ok [16:58] why don't you ask the questions in irc too? [16:58] not the whole webpage just a idea [16:58] is it already possible to have for the ValueSelector an ID with Shown Text... Like a 2D array with id as value and text as what shown in valueselector? [16:58] cool [16:59] mine is specific to my startup, so SSO wouldn't apply since my startup has it's own account system and API system === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//appdev-1/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 [17:01] great I get launch on work now and now there is not sessions [17:01] lol [17:03] sdklfhsdlfjks: ah after some delay I understand your issue now [17:04] sdklfhsdlfjks: no currently not, the values have to be in the list, so you would have to generate the list from your 2d array [17:04] sdklfhsdlfjks: but your question makes sense. Can you request the feature by filing a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit ? Please also describe your use case. thanks [17:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLuZRSOk6U === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | SDK Roadmap | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21767/appdev-1305-sdk-roadmap/ [18:05] o/ [18:05] \o [18:06] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/84302806b13ba160f89aa1f22318111f02e1c175?authuser=1&hl=en [18:08] wow, quite a lag! [18:08] like 2 minutes [18:08] dpm, you look tired :) [18:08] yea... [18:08] lots of lag :\ [18:10] 2 minutes :) [18:19] We're currently discussing proposals/feedback for new widgets (in case you're affected by a long lag and you want to suggest any) [18:19] suggestion: colorpicker [18:20] i think that's a great idea [18:20] my.* in VB [18:20] my.screen.size [18:21] my.time [18:21] etc... [18:21] Embeded IRC is not working for me, had to use konversation [18:21] rickspenser3 -> maybe phone.* [18:21] *rickspencer [18:21] bubbly_, sorry about that, we're aware of it and will try to fix it as soon as we can [18:22] a gui toolkit wrapper for standard db stuff? sort of like what gnome-db has? [18:23] qt/qml support sqlite by default, don't they; so it seems to be already covered by the sdk [18:23] yeah! color picker ftw! [18:23] I've needed it a few times [18:23] dbarth: they do, but there's more setup than necessary [18:23] dbarth: yeah, but not sure if they abstract displaying data so it's really easy to do. [18:24] right, so it's a matter of having the glue in between and a sample app [18:25] it's like a namespace that pulls together tons of simple stuff [18:25] yeah [18:25] so you don't go hunting around [18:25] then nevermind :) [18:25] SysInfo doesn't tell you anything [18:26] there are multiple things that have it, but there's no single namespace with all the basic things [18:26] <_NerdyMe_> IDEA: User Account integration with the SDK. If you make an email client you can access the user account login from there without having direct access to the password etc.... in planning or did I just miss it? [18:27] _NerdyMe_: i think that's what the online accounts and keyring apis are for. not sure there's anything special that would fit in qtcreator for that [18:28] uoa-create [18:28] mhall119: do you have a pointer to that api (u1 account)? [18:28] lp:account-qml-module [18:28] ah nice [18:28] lp:accounta-qml-module [18:28] mhall119, oh yeah... you asked me to put together a toplevel page in the docs [18:29] kenvandine: oh right, did you? [18:29] http://people.canonical.com/~kaleo/progressbar_design.png [18:29] mhall119, no :) [18:29] :P [18:30] Kaleo, yes please! [18:31] kenvandine: sorry, i'm confused, is that working with u1 as well? [18:31] This is what I am talking about let the user set the data http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLuZRSOk6U [18:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1129966 [18:31] Launchpad bug 1129966 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[hud] Hidden HUD instance in MainView can cause problems when developers also define their own HUD" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Tim Peeters (tpeeters) [18:31] it would be nice if apps didn't need to import Ubuntu.HUD [18:31] dbarth, not yet [18:31] dbarth, that is a different topic, not sure the status of a u1 SSO plugin for UOA [18:32] ok [18:32] Kaleo, then it would just work on platforms that didn't have HUD [18:32] like windows [18:33] * kenvandine wants app developers to be able to develop anywhere :) [18:33] mhall119: It is still under discussion, but currently I think it would be a good idea to do it in the same way as toolbar actions [18:33] mhall119, HUD? [18:33] kenvandine: I see [18:33] yes [18:33] sorry guys for popping in later - I have a question on the date/time picker. Are we considering this independently with a calendar we might want in indicators? [18:33] it works now [18:33] with the PPA [18:33] it works [18:33] in the unity HUD [18:33] cool kenvandine [18:34] CimiUDS: you are the one working on it :) [18:34] :) [18:34] mhall119, right... but they are parallel installable now [18:34] kenvandine, that is the unity-next branch ? [18:34] no [18:34] kenvandine, what is branch ? [18:34] well, daily-build-next PPA [18:34] but standard unity in raring [18:35] Kaleo: calendar and date/time picker are different [18:35] bobweaver: smoking can kill you and we still need you :) [18:35] date time is usually like three sliders we scroll to select day, month, year [18:35] calender is the calendar as we have in the indicators [18:36] daker_, lol [18:36] bobweaver, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next [18:36] kenvandine, yeah I am looking at that should I start 13.04 or 13.10 minimal ? [18:36] 13.04 [18:36] works fine [18:37] thanks [18:37] bobweaver, np [18:38] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-new-widgets [18:39] bobweaver, ok, it was working fine 2 weeks ago :) [18:39] if in the sdk we need to integrate [18:39] the date time picker [18:39] (with three sliders) [18:39] bobweaver, it doesn't blow up though, just not finding anything when i search [18:39] or the calendar [18:39] or both :) [18:39] Kaleo: let me update the blueprint, the generic toolbar is done. [18:39] zsombor proposed having an external library with 'composed widgets' [18:39] that might be useful for other applications [18:40] but not basic enough to be considered for the main sdk [18:49] Kaleo: yeah it would be nice if the qt5 ports of qtmobility libs were packaged up. they're not in raring [18:49] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-research-and-prototype [18:50] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-implemention [18:53] there's a misunderstanding here, let's put this aside [18:53] I can work on both if you need [18:54] there's lag between the hangout and the live stream "on air" being streamed via youtube [18:55] Kaleo: the general idea for the tools is to make it super awesome! :) [18:55] We're wrapping up the session, any other questions from IRC? [18:57] As a kubuntu user I love the fact that the SDK uses qt, as i'm much more familliar with it than gtk [18:59] How will SDK integrate with other flavours of ubuntu? === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | Growing the Ubuntu SDK Apps Collection | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21711/appdev-1305-apps-collection/ [19:00] dpm: ^ question from bubbly [19:01] QUESTION: Is there any plan to support python at any level in the SDK? [19:02] brendand: not at this time, no, but a Qt5 binding for python should give you everything you need [19:02] mhall119, that's what i was getting at. will those bindings be packaged? [19:02] brendand: if somebody packages them [19:03] does pyqt support qt5 yet? [19:03] dobey: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-5-snapshots [19:03] dobey, brendand, I think pyqt supports qt5, pyside doesn't [19:04] cool [19:04] not sure pyside is going anywhere [19:04] and as far as I could tell pyside is more or less dead [19:04] would be nice to get pyqt5 packages in ubuntu then [19:04] last thing I saw waas them planning to do a rewrite before they could port to qt5, so at this point I'd deiscard it as an option to use [19:04] *discard === zouth_ is now known as Zouth [19:05] and thanks bobweaver, nik90 and everyone on IRC for your participation [19:06] next session's hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d134e44963d5d5cea08a0a51328ba73889e12b5a?authuser=1&hl=en [19:07] * JoshStrobl wonders if there'll be another 2 minute delay :D [19:08] probably [19:09] dpm, we want checkbox at some point to be able to run on the phablet image [19:09] "and we're live" <-- now you know how much the delay is [19:10] "ways to grow our collection..." [19:10] not much delay it seems [19:11] and now you see that the video starts for us :) [19:11] i dont have any delay [19:12] brendand, then it might be worth assessing PyQt (and its license), how much of QML it supports. [19:12] yea there is a video delay [19:12] QUESTION: if I create an app, how do I add it to the list? [19:12] he just said adding Work Items and that happened several minutes ago [19:12] oh well [19:12] qml and pyside should be possible [19:13] NOTE: We should not only focus on NEW apps, but also porting existing apps to use Ubuntu SDK [19:13] ^ that means, re-writing the graphical part of the app in QML using our UITK [19:13] brendand, but it might just be as easy to create a qml frontend for Checkbox [19:14] dpm, thats what i was hoping to be able to do [19:14] brendand: what is checkbox? url? [19:14] is it the name of an app? [19:14] what is the google plus community? [19:14] t1mp - it's the 'System Testing' app [19:15] goddard: https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549 [19:15] dpm, i just hope we won't have problems gluing the qml to the python3 backend [19:16] if we add existing apps to d.u.c, they can also be used as examples/tutorials [19:16] dpm, due to the fact that pyqt was not packaged in 11.10 we ended up having a compromise solution with Qt UI code glued to the python backend via dbus [19:17] dpm, I didnt even know the collection existed until you mentioned [19:18] mhall119: there is a link to posts on the blog on https://developer.ubuntu.com/, but not a prominent link to the blog itself [19:18] or maybe I am not seeing it [19:19] mhall119: ok I can find it via community :) [19:20] dpm, perhaps and option on the SDK where you can install the apps with onclick via QTCreator === hikiko__ is now known as hikiko-uds [19:20] when I was starting finding source and what you can actually do with qml help to think about it [19:21] you can install on devices via qtcreator :) [19:22] t1mp, exactly [19:22] I meant a one-click [19:22] victorp: you can [19:22] victorp: CTRL+F12 [19:22] guys [19:22] I meant as example apps [19:22] ahh [19:22] yes, samples within qtcreator? [19:22] i.e install sample apps on the phone [19:23] yes, the sdk guys are working on that actually [19:23] they want to have a "gallery" in qtcreator which is like the ubuntu software centre [19:23] has a bunch of apps which you could choose from and see the code and build upon it [19:23] which can be added to over time, more examples [19:23] IMHO collection should eventually be a set of example/showcase app [19:26] dpm kickstarter :) [19:27] hah [19:27] popey, that is how I am funding dogfight v2.0 [19:27] :P [19:27] I'll pay! [19:27] * kenvandine chips in [19:27] will 1.0 is not even finished [19:27] Here, take 0.0000000000000000000000000001 Bitcoins [19:27] lol! [19:29] BB!) [19:29] BB10 even [19:29] mhall119: WebOS [19:29] blackberry is qml based [19:29] I'd love to see a series of youtube videos from _someone_ going from Zero to Hero [19:30] qt forums - digia [19:30] ? [19:30] wow! there is an xkcd app! \o/ :) [19:30] In terms of games, there are a lot of HTML5 games. Reaching out to groups at reddit.com/r/gamedev to package their HTML5 games for Ubuntu Touch. [19:30] victorp, how easy is it to find source for blackberry apps? [19:30] * t1mp installing :) [19:30] faisal-ali: good idea [19:31] kenvandine, easy for the developer ;) [19:31] any open source ones? [19:31] I am sure that BB is doing developer events, we should just gate crash [19:32] victorp, http://qt-project.org/forums [19:32] blackberry apple and android developers don't let source out to just anyone [19:32] re html5 games: get plugins/exporters out for things like construct2, just to draw people? [19:32] that's what i thought [19:32] it's mostly jscript I guess... [19:33] nik90: heh, i just created the trello board before we caught up with the video where you said you'd do it ☻ [19:33] nik90: give me your trello ID and I'll add you to it [19:33] popey: 1 sec [19:34] nvm, found you! [19:34] popey: nice :) [19:35] mhall119 this game (maroon) should be ported for Ubuntu. Greate little game https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/trees/c81d942ab0297cf894f2dd20700b4188afa07c25/examples/demos/maroon [19:36] http://necessitas.kde.org/ [19:37] nik90: let me know if you have a problem getting into it [19:37] bobweaver, that looks good [19:37] QUESTION: If I talk with a Qt app developer, how do I convince them that Ubuntu is the coolest platform to develop for? [19:37] victorp, i think i have a branch somewhere for maroon [19:37] or more general, a mobile app developer [19:38] not finished... but i started it at some point [19:38] victorp: https://trello.com/victorpalau is you? [19:38] popey, it is [19:38] added to trello [19:38] lol "...and also in the embedded world. Qt is a C++ framework, which is a plus if you don't like Java that much. " [19:38] we were using it, but not anymore... we move to LKK because of you!!! [19:38] :) [19:38] haha [19:38] and we left LKK ☻ [19:38] or java at ALL [19:39] popey: if works .. no issues [19:39] win [19:39] mhall119: good answer :) thanks [19:39] all-in-one platform FTW [19:39] dpm, mhall119 thanks :) more good points [19:40] So will the mobile os reach a final version by 13.10 [19:40] t1mp: also we have a spaceman, spacemen are cool right? [19:41] Yeah, we're unashamed pimps! [19:41] https://plus.google.com/photos/106122674051576198224/albums/5853418872568994097/5853418876682214290?authkey=CInYtqmGocDR1wE [19:41] popey: of course! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCCngdz-LY [19:42] video froze for me [19:43] popey: the conclusion is "nothing beats an astronaut" [19:43] haha t1mp ☻ [19:43] by final i did mean a stable release, although i consider the first stable to be the last beta :) [19:43] Yea, I think saying "your app could be used by a former astronaut" is a pretty compelling reason to develop for Ubuntu Phone. [19:44] what phone should I get? [19:44] to install ubuntu on? [19:44] goddard: Nexus 4 [19:45] +1 to the Nexus 4 [19:46] galaxy nexus if price is an issue [19:46] dpm I would help on a particles tutorial :) [19:46] ooh! [19:46] will the nexus 4 work on sprint? [19:46] galaxy nexus is nice [19:46] samsung galaxy nexus? [19:46] yues [19:47] -u [19:47] victorp, excellent, I'll sign you up for that, thanks! [19:47] goddard, a qemu image [19:48] that will be good [19:48] bobweaver: we're currently looking at the best way to setup a VM [19:48] How will we convince sprint kricket vorizon etc. to support ubuntu for phones, they care alot more about money than anything [19:48] thanks popey [19:48] bubbly: we dont need to, thats for commercial sales people ☻ [19:49] angry tux! [19:49] mhall119 you can do that with particles [19:49] t1 mp,^ Yes [19:49]