[14:46] * Jiaowen520Li slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//client-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-client-2 === Panda is now known as Guest26636 === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Content Handling on Ubuntu/Unity | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21771/client-1305-content-mgmt-picking/ [15:06] The bot really needs a countdown. [15:06] On your marks... [15:06] get set... [15:06] go! [15:08] JohnLea: would you mind muting [15:08] or actually, woudl everyone except thomas mute? :-) [15:08] thanks! [15:08] could people who isn't speaking mute themselves and only unumute when speaking? [15:09] Can we get control of muting in IRC? ;-) [15:09] right [15:10] jasoncwarner, I think you've selected tvoss_ manually. [15:10] Please switch to auto switching. [15:10] tvoss_, maybe you ^^ [15:11] pmcgowan, I cannot do that [15:12] tvoss_: the john is talking but we only see your face [15:12] I'm not sure users will be able to remember what application a particular photo is stored in [15:13] davmor2: tvoss_ can not change it. [15:13] mdeslaur: exactly, it's not intuitive either, I just want to select a photo, not an item in an application [15:13] brunogirin: +1 [15:14] It seems that it needs to be content focused instead of application focused. [15:14] I concur [15:16] "Did I take that picture with the built-in camera, or with Instagram??" [15:17] scopes and lenses are content focused so making the rest of it application focused feels like a step backwards [15:17] store all images in one folder called images and then let the individual apps build their own db on how to display them, maybe? [15:17] I like Filler's approach. [15:17] brunogirin: +1 [15:18] brunogirin: I also feel this contradiction a bit === ts2 is now known as tsimpson_ [15:18] what ensures that all files are associated with an application? [15:20] BFiller: I think the problem is not storing new pictures in a shared folder, but "Do you want random-rogue-app to access your pictures?" [15:20] +1 === jasoncwarner__ is now known as jasoncwarner [15:20] alecu: that would have to some controls on who is allowed to access the shared pictures folder [15:21] alecu: that's a problem in any case, but how do we handle multiple apps creating pictures? [15:21] or replacing the default gallery app with another one [15:21] hello how to impre important content types [15:21] should this apply for the desktop as well? [15:22] great [15:22] gusch: eventually it should [15:22] I like this Langridge guy :D [15:22] yes there needs to be copies [15:22] lool:that whould mean to break looots of existing apps/functionality [15:22] ugh, copies are evil [15:23] asking the user to expert data between applications isn't very elegant [15:23] JohnLea: can one remove the default gallery app entirely, and what happens to your photos if you do? [15:24] lool, I would expect no [15:24] lool: you shouldn't be able to do that [15:25] but then you can't browse all your pictures from facebook [15:25] jdstrand: like scopes and lenses to browse data from all apps? [15:25] sugesst can define user like UI for app on dash [15:25] s/data/photos/ [15:26] lool: yeah, I guess one could think of it that way. like I said, I hadn't thought it all through [15:26] in this case, allow the app to get access to the blessed repository for that type if no other app owns it yet [15:27] bfiller lool is very active - he might be invited to the hangout [15:27] can define user like UI for scope on dash [15:28] Not everyone uses Instagram... [15:28] has anyone in the hangout used WebOS on any real level beyond looking at a demo? [15:28] and a separate photo editor [15:29] I develop music scope for China but Chinese do not like UI,so can define user like UI for scope? [15:29] a lot of people take pictures with the built in camera, with facebook, with instagram, depending on what happens to be open at the time [15:29] jdstrand: different levels of review make sense to me, since an app that want to replace the default gallery may need more review than a game that won't be touching the user's personal stuff. [15:29] Hi, in case this is useful - I've been working with the iOS photos API recently - on iOS, there's one global photo roll and a default 'images' app. Other apps ask for permission to access (read, add-new) the photo roll. apps can not delete anything, but they can edit the data of images that *they added*. [15:29] gusch, bfiller: (Thanks, I'm in) [15:30] lool: cool [15:30] mdeslaur: right, photos are special because they're valid for almost every type of app on a phone to use [15:30] mdeslaur: and if I have an app to modify my photos, it may have been taken first time round by the camera then the update will be owned by another app [15:30] mmcc: interesting [15:30] alecu: ack, and that's fine, however we don't want to promote situations that require extensive review [15:30] mmcc: exactly [15:30] mmcc: that's what I was getting at [15:30] also, games and other things might even have a "screenshot" feature which doesn't actually use the camera, but stores pictures somewhere [15:31] mmcc: sounds a sensible way to do things [15:31] don't know if the base system provides a screenshot feature or not [15:31] dobey -> generally screenshot utilities come with the system / distro. Ubuntu does. [15:31] i agree [15:32] agreed, dobey: an imgur app, for example, or a facebook app are also potentially *sources* of images [15:32] JoshStrobl: ubuntu touch is a little different than ubuntu as you know it though [15:32] aquarius_uds: right [15:32] one last minor iOS point : there's a special consideration for 'modification' on iOS - there's a call to save a new image that is a modified version of an existing image. This lets an image editor "edit" images that it didn't create... [15:32] Oh course dobey, however I do expect it'd be baked into Ubuntu Phone. [15:33] tedg, scarf -> done!! [15:33] JoshStrobl: sure. but your expectation and the actual thing might not match up. so it's a relevent question to ask. assuming it will be a certain way is bad :) [15:34] * tedg feels warmer already [15:34] JoshStrobl: and regardless, games often have a "take a picture" thing in-game, which is separate from the system screenshot feature [15:34] JohnLea: feedback loop from your microphone [15:34] and i'd highly suggest looking at what WebOS does with content types in applications [15:35] I still don't know why a descent content picker UI should requests a totally new data management. Those two are pretty different imho [15:35] JohnLea! [15:35] I'm muted now [15:36] JohnLea: or a photo editing app [15:36] gusch: what do you mean? [15:36] There should be no separate content pickers, we already have one and it's the dash. A new content picker should be just a new dash plugin [15:37] alecu: why would you go back to the dash from within an app to select a picture to attach to an SMS for example? [15:37] that way every app that needs to operate on a picture will indirectly ask the user for permission by opening the dash [15:37] dobey: it should be opened again by the system, because it's the blessed way to search for pictures [15:38] dobey: I mean, for any kind of content. [15:39] i think that would be bad, perhaps less so on phones, but ore so on tablets, and much worse on workstations [15:39] bfiller:I mean there is no need for a new "data layer" for providing a "content picker" [15:39] bfiller: the discussion covered a lot of interesting point, but I'm not sure we've taken a decision on having central databases + per-app databases vs. only per-app databases -- or did we? [15:39] *points [15:41] lool: I think we're saying per-app to start, with the ability to have per-app + central in the future [15:41] dobey: it doesn't have to be the full dash, just a dash "control" that allows you to find the file [15:41] tvoss_: just a point on avoiding to show downloaded photos when browsing your own photos: this could be implemented either by tagging the photos in some way (e.g. metadata such as the app which created this photo), or with simple concepts such as albums [15:42] * tedg is a little concerned that we're 42 m in and there's nothing in the Etherpad [15:42] tedg: ah exactly [15:43] no [15:43] tedg, and no work items [15:44] just exposing the directory Pictures to mtp is ok - isn't it? [15:47] JohnLea: can you maybe turn off video stream or something? you're very stuttery due to bandwidth it seems [15:48] dobey; it's switched off! [15:48] dobey; yes, bandwidth seems to have gone rubbish :-( [15:48] JohnLea: thanks. it was off but then came back when you were just speaking. i see its off again now though :) [15:50] aquarius_uds: probably a good thing to discuss in the next session about background tasks :) [15:50] tvoss_: fyi, I am able to use etherpad by pausing the video in that page while having google+ in another window [15:51] jdstrand, cool, thank you ... didn't work for me [15:51] tvoss_: it took a few tries to get it to actually pause, but eventually it worked [15:51] thank you [15:51] :) [15:53] JohnLea: muted maybe? [15:53] JohnLea: lots of lag [15:53] can you hear me? [15:53] JohnLea: we can [15:53] JohnLea: just 5s later :-) [15:54] good bye [15:57] QUESTION: how will file synchronization apps (u1, dropbox) access the different silos? [15:57] tvoss_, ^^ this is similar to mtp needs [15:58] tvoss_: I put in a few things to seed the therpad :) [15:59] thank you all! === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Background Task Service Augmenting the Application Lifecycle | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21763/client-1305-background-task-service/ [16:07] have we started yet? I have no video === Guest83719 is now known as mfisch [16:13] mfisch, Yes (just in case you still don't) [16:14] tedg: got it now, 4 reloads of the page were needed [16:17] a push notification service would allow something like an IM client to maintain some sort of connection while still allowing the phone to suspend [16:22] what was the 3rd thing Chicken said? [16:22] how are we going to allow the phone to suspend while maintaining network connections? [16:24] tvoss_, We could require an app indicator for arbitrary stuff as well. [16:24] Basically only allow background if you do. [16:25] tedg, +1 :) [16:27] how about multi-window support ? [16:27] when two windows are in foreground [16:28] or multiple floating windows [16:29] in the first ubuntu touch iteration, a single foreground app is running [16:31] yup [16:31] thanks :) [16:31] On the issue of downloading, how much control of the download would we give the application? Or would we just allow them to "request"? [16:32] faisal-ali, it comes down to a request, plus option to cancel [16:33] okay [16:39] * lool drops to other meeting [16:40] nice one === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//client-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-client-2 === tvoss_ is now known as tvoss|dinner_lun [17:49] next session is about OSK. What does OSK stand for? [17:55] on screen keyboard [17:55] diwic: ^ === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | OSK current state & thoughts on future | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21758/client-1305-unity-ui-unity8-osk/ === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [18:02] mfisch, thanks [18:14] kgunn, how much of the existing maliit server are we able to drop? [18:15] tvoss|dinner_lun, ^^ === tvoss|dinner_lun is now known as tvoss [18:19] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-client-1305-unity-ui-unity8-osk [18:19] yes [18:19] and what of other keyboard options, 3rd party [18:20] right [18:22] yes that was my question [18:24] ok! [18:25] kgunn, I somewhat expected mir guys to at least guide it if not do it [18:27] pmcgowan: ack... [18:27] pmcgowan: its why i aske [18:27] asked [18:37] pmcgowan, sure, guidance needs to be given by Mir/Shell team, working closely together with tmoenicke [18:37] kgunn, I added the green [18:37] the planned section [18:39] kgunn, those are settings options [18:39] kgunn, do we intend the mir integration for v1 [18:41] will there be different keyboard layouts by default? like qwertz for German [18:41] yes there should be [18:42] kgunn, sounds like yes [18:44] netcurli: yes [18:44] ok [18:44] bye === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Provide a QML API for text to speech output | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21739/client-s-qml-tts-api/ === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//client-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-client-2 === hikiko__ is now known as hikiko-uds === racarr is now known as racarr|lunch === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === racarr|lunch is now known as racarr === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/client-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-client-2