[14:53] <philballew> Hello, everyone doin good here?
[14:53] <smartboyhw_> yep
[14:53] <JoseeAntonioR> everything looks alrighty
[14:53] <ptl> hi
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> Community roundtable… what do we talk?
[14:54] <philballew> smartboyhw_, anything that you feel we need to discuss basically.
[14:55] <smartboyhw_> philballew: Hmm I can't watch or join in the Hangout…
[14:55]  * philballew should be set to join the hangout assuming JoseeAntonioR did not mess up my webcam setup
[14:55] <smartboyhw_> It starts!
[14:55] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[14:56] <philballew> alright, I marked myself as very interested in attending, so does that mean I join the hangout?
[14:56] <philballew> JoseeAntonioR, ^
[14:56] <YoBoY> hi
[14:57] <smartboyhw_> philballew: dholbach will send you the link I thinj
[14:57] <smartboyhw_> *think
[14:57] <JoseeAntonioR> philballew: nope, that was for physical uds and auto-scheduling :)
[14:57] <JoseeAntonioR> philballew: you only get the link if you're marked as required
[14:58] <zvacet> is Ubuntu without community still topic here?
[14:58] <JoseeAntonioR> zvacet: I think there's no ubuntu without community :)
[14:59] <zvacet> JoseeAntonioR: you know what I mean  ;)
[14:59] <smartboyhw_> zvacey: The website?
[14:59] <YoBoY> tea time for me
[15:00] <SergioMeneses> YoBoY, wise move
[15:00] <zvacet> smartboyhw_:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143971
[15:00] <cjohnston> can someone make me some tea?
[15:00] <elfy> smartboyhw_: the website is just one symptom - the latest one
[15:00]  * JoseeAntonioR gives cjohnston some tea
[15:00] <SergioMeneses> cjohnston, I think YoBoY can
[15:00] <tiagoscd-uds> about the community thing: http://design.canonical.com/2013/05/ubuntu-com-update/
[15:00] <smartboyhw_> zvacet: That's another session
[15:01] <SergioMeneses> tiagoscd, maybe you can put it on the work tiems
[15:01] <philballew> jonobacon, welcome
[15:01] <YoBoY> SergioMeneses, cjohnston sure :)
[15:01] <philballew> live
[15:01] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, and jono_ are here!
[15:01] <fisch246> yup
[15:01] <jcastro> yep!
[15:01] <philballew> yes
[15:01] <cjohnston> jono_: why stop at twice
[15:02] <philballew> Me
[15:02] <jcastro> I'd like to plop in
[15:02] <fisch246> me
[15:02] <philballew> if there is room of course
[15:02] <SergioMeneses> philballew, \o\
[15:02] <zvacet> smartboyhw_: ok I was interested in that one  bye
[15:03] <rrnwexec> good morning all.
[15:03]  * skellat shies away from the hangout
[15:03] <SergioMeneses> jono_, I cant I have not camera and microphone :S
[15:04] <smartboyhw_> zvacet: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21740/community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning/
[15:05] <zvacet> smartboyhw_: tnx for link  :)
[15:05] <fisch246> ben i believe i saw you talking about firefox os
[15:06] <tiagoscd-uds> dholbach: hey
[15:06] <smartboyhw_> fisch246: You are correct he did
[15:07] <YoBoY> I have raised the fact in the locoteams mailing list we still need a DVD cover art with the ISO, can we try to make this appen for the next ubuntu release ?
[15:07] <ptl> regarding the ARM architecture, is there any plan to help or support community-based initiatives for porting, e.g. "picUntu" for UG802 and MK802-III like "android" tv sticks?
[15:07] <smartboyhw_> YoBoY: For 14.04 LTS I think…
[15:07] <ptl> like, e.g. providing help to make Mir run on them
[15:08] <smartboyhw_> ptl: I think there is a porting session
[15:08] <ptl> ah, I didn't see the whole schedule
[15:08] <YoBoY> smartboyhw_, for 13.10 too, and every ISO, I just want some DIY artwork like the other releases
[15:10] <smartboyhw_> YoBoY: Hmm, probably ask the LoCo Council
[15:10] <ballock> What about company LoCos? I've got a couple of people contributing from inside company, any ideas for grouping that?
[15:10] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: ^
[15:10] <smartboyhw_> ballock: Companies aren't LoCos, but then you guys can join in your country's LoCo
[15:10] <SergioMeneses> company?
[15:11] <SergioMeneses> we are not a company or something like that
[15:11] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: Answer YoBoY :)
[15:11] <cjohnston> jono_: or anyone else on the hangout.. I can't be around on thursday, but I would like it if Summit were discussed during the round table on thursday.. just quick discussion/feedback from this UDS.. the changes, are they good, bad, what else needs to be done.. request for help... request for charmers
[15:11] <smartboyhw_> I am pointing at YoBoY not ballock:P
[15:11] <cjohnston> dholbach: jcastro ^^
[15:12] <jcastro> cjohnston: ack
[15:12] <cjohnston> ty
[15:12] <ballock> SergioMeneses: I don't mean Canonical or whatever, we've got a ubuntu community inside Tieto.
[15:13] <cjohnston> and it looks like you already put that in and I missed it JoseeAntonioR
[15:13] <cjohnston> sorry jono_ ^
[15:13] <skellat> YES
[15:13] <smartboyhw_> ballock: How big is Tieto? (Sounds like the Tokyo Metro)
[15:13] <YoBoY> (arg phone not stopping to ring T_T)
[15:13] <SergioMeneses> ballock, I see and what is Tieto?
[15:14] <ballock> A company, 20k employees, over 500 ubuntu users, mostly developers.
[15:14] <dholbach> is there anyone else who wants to get on the hangout?
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, ask yo czajkowski
[15:15]  * SergioMeneses hides
[15:15] <czajkowski> can't at present have a deadline of stuff for today
[15:15]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[15:16] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh, I'm dropping :)(
[15:16] <JoseeAntonioR> :( *
[15:16] <smartboyhw_> ballock: Where is your company coming from?
[15:17] <skellat> jono: Left a hunk of text in the Etherpad in notes.
[15:17] <cprofitt> I agree with you Jono... I like the idea of allowing people to grow organicly... cities, states, etc...
[15:18] <YoBoY> doing like mozilla do now to their events ? people who wants a promotional pack have to fill a request with the details of the events, and have to write about the event before and after to promote it.
[15:18] <ballock> Finland is the main site, we have active people in Sweden, Poland and some active people from other Tieto sites too.
[15:19] <smartboyhw_> ballock: Hmm
[15:20] <ballock> ok, it might be difficult to get a group photo in these conditions...
[15:20] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: czajkowski: Any ideas?
[15:20] <cjohnston> rrnwexec: can you mute please when your not talking.. background noise gets really loud
[15:20] <SergioMeneses> I want to add something ....
[15:20] <SergioMeneses> but in the reapproval process we can get a lot of information about our teams, and I think this is the best part of the process by instance https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/ApprovalApplication2012 ...if we remove this process, we have think in a different way to get this information. imho
[15:21] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: +1
[15:21] <czajkowski> the reapproval gives us a chance to show others what they are doing
[15:21] <czajkowski> just feels liek a lot of the work we've done is kinda gone to waste tbh
[15:23] <czajkowski> mails go to shippit - and they reach out to council already!
[15:23] <cprofitt> hate to leave this dicussion, but I have a doctors appointment
[15:23] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses, czajkowski: any of you can join? :)
[15:23] <cprofitt> good topic all
[15:23] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: nope working :) and lack of notice on topic meant cant change
[15:23] <cprofitt> thanks for bringing this forward
[15:23] <SergioMeneses> besides, we work with the teams in another issues as you can see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1075848
[15:23] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1075848 in Ubuntu LoCo Teams "Re-approval, ubuntu-ca" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Darcy Casselman (dscassel)
[15:24] <YoBoY> transform the reapprovals in healthcheck perhaps
[15:24] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, I dont have camera or mic, I am not at home
[15:26] <skellat> jono: I've got no problem with you're notion.  I've been waiting on it to be executed since UDS-1303!
[15:27] <ballock> I'm trying to make sense of it. Is the LoCo discussion just a question of sending out CDs/perks?
[15:27] <philballew> Getting a conference is pretty easy currently the several times I have had to get one. I have a conference pack for a show I am doing in two weeks and I am going to take pictures of all the stuff I hand out and the talks. The pictures alone make great pr and are worth the cost of the pack.
[15:27] <philballew>  If the LoCo has gotten a conference pack before and not has a problem, it should be easy and not have to fill out as much paperwork.
[15:27] <philballew> Will we be giving away flash drives soon?
[15:27] <philballew> Distros like Fedora give those out
[15:28] <rrnwexec> +1 for deprecate
[15:28] <philballew> Inter LoCo is very needed
[15:29] <YoBoY> inter loco ?
[15:29] <skellat> dholbach: Can you join me in to the Hangout?  I finally found headphones now.
[15:29] <dholbach> skellat, sure
[15:29] <skellat> smkellat@gmail.com
[15:29] <philballew> +1 here
[15:30] <dscassel_> +1 deprecate.
[15:31] <elfy> +1
[15:31] <hggdh> +1
[15:34] <Cracknel> what about subteams?
[15:34] <elfy> from a forum point of view I'd agree with jorge
[15:34] <YoBoY> but these new team will be official teams or subteams of the actual loco/country/state teams ?
[15:37] <hggdh> I agree with Randall -- this would be more of a grassroots movement (which would help us)
[15:38] <dscassel_> +1 for in-person city teams. Online, I agree with Jorge. A city mailing list for our town would be dead, but the Canada list is good and helpful and I'd like to keep it that way.
[15:39] <SergioMeneses> dscassel_, sure! this is the same issue in a lot of counties
[15:40] <dholbach> grr, I just got dropped and rerouted to login.u.c - did the feed drop?
[15:41] <dholbach> jono_ (and everyone else): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-enabling-local-subteams - will schedule it for thursday once it's in summit
[15:41] <dholbach> please subscribe to it if you're interested
[15:41] <fisch246> yea what sucks about minnesota is that our Loco team doesn't want to share power with anyone, and our local LUG is very um... xenophobic to put it lightly. so our events have been just one sponsored event, and just guys meeting for beers.
[15:41] <YoBoY> my experience with city teams (we have 5 in France) is they start great but they slow down fast for most of them
[15:42] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, ↑↑↑
[15:42] <JoseeAntonioR> any opninion from the LC?
[15:43] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: not all here tbh and not something that can just be resolved in 2 mins tbh, we've been looking for the last 3 months at a few options and it's not so simple so wanted to have a lot of tha facts and examples laid out to make things easy
[15:44] <YoBoY> +1 jcastro I join your locoteam now :D
[15:44] <fisch246> The sponsored event, and the beer, has nothing to do with the Loco team. The beer is me, and the sponsored event is our LUG.
[15:45] <fisch246> We did start a podcast, that is on hiatus right now. Again nothing to do with the Loco.
[15:46] <fisch246> My point is, that we have people who can lead, but our Loco team doesn't want anyone else to lead.
[15:46] <skellat> czajkowski: I'll be happy to contribute outside the UDS times and give reflections as necessary
[15:46] <czajkowski> skellat: thanks
[15:46] <JoseeAntonioR> same here
[15:47] <YoBoY> The french experience and position on city teams in France, is everyone can creat his city team, and we (the loco) try to help them with ressources (web, ML, goodies, advices…)
[15:47] <fisch246> ok i can go with that
[15:48] <srinath> hi guys
[15:48] <fisch246> cause i can take lead on the west metro side of things
[15:48] <YoBoY> but to work like that, we have to start with a well established loco
[15:50] <dshimer> Using Ohio as example, I can see local less formal groups just getting together then being a resource that "Ohio" could tap into.  They wouldn't need resources but could provide them.
[15:50] <jcastro> skellat: jorge@ubuntu.com is my contact info
[15:50] <dholbach> it's scheduled: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21812/community-r-sustainable-translations/
[15:50] <dholbach> 2013-05-16 15:05..16:00 in Community 2
[15:50] <YoBoY> skellat, if you pay the travel, I can send you some french members :D
[15:51] <dholbach> err sorry
[15:51] <dholbach> wrong link
[15:51] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21835/community-1305-enabling-local-subteams/ - here we go
[15:52] <srinath> when is the documentation team meeting??
[15:53] <srinath> sorry for barging right in
[15:54] <YoBoY> There is no possible way to really "track" the activity of a locoteam
[15:54] <dscassel_> +1 Absolutely I'll set up a city team on the LoCo directory, so long as I can keep the Ubuntu Canada mailing list, etc.
[15:55] <cprofitt> jonobacon: could there not be a way of automatically removing from 'display' teams that do not have activities scheduled on loco.ubuntu.com
[15:55] <cprofitt> some period of time -- 1 year, 2 years, etc...
[15:55] <cprofitt> I do not want the structure or formal stuff to inhibit team growth
[15:56] <YoBoY> we are not forced to use the loco portal
[15:56] <cprofitt> +1 on enabling organic growth
[15:56] <SergioMeneses> +
[15:56] <SergioMeneses> +0
[15:57] <DChapman> +1
[15:57] <commandoline> +1. My experience is teams do revive.
[15:58] <YoBoY> I'm afraid we will have a lot of empty teams in the future with that… and for users looking for a local help, it can be a problem to find an empty team…
[16:00] <balloons> for the next session, please speak up if you'd like to be in the video
[16:00] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21714/community-s-quality-coverage/
[16:03] <balloons> please speak up if you'd like to be in the hangout for this session on Expanding QA community coverage
[16:03] <elfy> I'll be here and watching - as this IS the right time and place :)
[16:04] <bkerensa> balloons: \o if a slot is available but not essential
[16:04] <chilicuil> same as bkerensa
[16:05] <bkerensa> actually I will watch :)
[16:05] <cjohnston> balloons: I'm assuming you haven't started it?
[16:05] <balloons> anyone else?
[16:05] <balloons> no, I'll kick off in one moment
[16:05] <cjohnston> k
[16:05] <balloons> 5 mins is way too short
[16:06] <cjohnston> such a long way to walk
[16:06] <elfy> 5 minutes is fine from where I'm sitting with a cup of tea and my feet up :p
[16:06] <balloons> lol.. hosting sessions is a bit harder
[16:06] <elfy> :)
[16:07] <cjohnston> blah :-P
[16:07]  * thomi yawns
[16:08] <balloons> can you see the broadcast?
[16:08] <philipballew> yes!
[16:08] <elfy> balloons: nope
[16:08] <thomi> not yet
[16:08] <cjohnston> no
[16:08] <josepht_uds> no
[16:08] <balloons> try refreshing the page
[16:08] <elfy> how many times balloons
[16:08] <balloons> lol
[16:08] <balloons> my bad
[16:08]  * philipballew wonders why he can.
[16:08] <cjohnston> balloons: there aren't any urls in the db
[16:09] <balloons> whoops
[16:09] <balloons> i told you 5 mins wasn't enough
[16:09] <elfy> got it now
[16:09] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[16:09] <cjohnston> now its there
[16:09] <thomi> me too :)
[16:09] <elfy> you might want to turn the echo off ...
[16:09] <brendand> balloons, can i hop in?
[16:10] <chilicuil> balloons: if you want I can share the link for you, so you can focus on the hangout
[16:11] <balloons> chilicuil, go for it
[16:12] <roadmr> super productive!
[16:14] <cjohnston> to those in the hangout, please use the lower third to identify yourself
[16:15] <thomi> It's worth pointing out that the 1.3 conversion is pretty trivial.
[16:15] <svwilliams> Its in the hangout toolbox
[16:15] <svwilliams> for people looking for lower third
[16:17] <svwilliams> Autopilot
[16:17] <svwilliams> balloons: wouldn't you consider autopilot one of our tools
[16:18] <balloons> svwilliams, indeed
[16:20] <chilicuil> we should add more manual testcases for all the default apps in all the ubuntu flavours
[16:21] <elfy> chilicuil: +1
[16:21] <svwilliams> chilicuil: +1
[16:21] <chilicuil> I think we should focus on that, and letting the depth coverage as a second priority
[16:22] <elfy> I didn't catch what you said balloons :)
[16:22] <svwilliams> If we had more initial coverage it might be easier for new people to help increase depth, like chilicuil at this time depth is a secondary priority
[16:22] <roadmr> do you want to be 95% sure that 5-10 apps work, or 50% sure that 50-100 apps work?
[16:23] <svwilliams> depends roadmr I'd like to be 95% sure that at least one browser works …
[16:24] <roadmr> svwilliams: ok so "variable depth" :) makes sense though
[16:24] <svwilliams> yup
[16:24] <svwilliams> :-D
[16:24] <elfy> flavors obviously have their own priorities :)
[16:26] <svwilliams> Where are we lacking, where do we feel we're lacking.   Do we have a good breadth at this point, because increasing breadth is easier (because its shallower) than increasing depth
[16:26] <svwilliams> if we have good breadth then its time to dig deep and go after depth
[16:27] <elopio> it's easier to add depth when there's already a simple test case to start with.
[16:27] <elopio> so for newcomers, adding depth is easier, if the experienced people is adding a bootstrapping set of tests.
[16:27] <svwilliams> balloons:
[16:27] <svwilliams> say that again
[16:27] <svwilliams> ?
[16:27] <balloons> elopio, true
[16:30] <svwilliams> sounds good to me
[16:30] <elopio> +1
[16:30] <Letozaf_> +1
[16:31] <svwilliams> Perhaps I'm ignorant about the methods for testing but what about Juju and Maas
[16:33] <phillw> I'm a server type person and will help out :)
[16:33] <svwilliams> I can try
[16:33] <svwilliams> too
[16:34] <Letozaf_> I can
[16:34] <chilicuil> I can help too
[16:36] <svwilliams> balloons:
[16:36] <balloons> crhrabal
[16:36] <svwilliams> fyi your sound has cut in and out
[16:37] <fisch246> i haven't had issues
[16:37] <roadmr> sound is OK here
[16:37] <elopio> I can hear you alright.
[16:38] <svwilliams> ok it may just be me :-)
[16:38] <elfy> fine here too
[16:39] <elopio> balloons: are we going to have an emulator to test touch?
[16:40] <chilicuil> that would be cool balloons
[16:40] <balloons> elopio, an emulator?
[16:41] <elopio> balloons: if somebody don't have a phone that runs ubuntu, how can he test ubuntu touch?
[16:42] <elopio> ok, thankss.
[16:43] <chilicuil> I think that just a system which could allow people to suscribe to new builds will be enough, nothing fancy to add to the qa system
[16:43] <chilicuil> lol
[16:43] <chilicuil> I though it was only for iso images
[16:46] <cjohnston> balloons: 15 minutes left
[16:47] <svwilliams> sounds good
[16:47] <svwilliams> +1
[16:54] <chilicuil> maybe sending a mail will work better on that balloons, I'd love to help, but I don't have the hardware
[16:56] <elopio> thank you balloons.
[16:56] <roadmr> \o/ thanks balloons !!
[16:56] <balloons> thank you everyone!
[16:57] <balloons> ohh is it lunchtime?
[16:57] <balloons> yay!
[16:57] <cjohnston> yup
[18:03] <balloons> k, hangout links all setup
[18:03] <balloons> please join if you'd like to express your opinion
[18:03] <balloons> without having to type so much :-)
[18:04]  * chilicuil say hello to everyone
[18:05] <philipballew> hola chilicuil
[18:05] <balloons> anyone want to join?
[18:06] <balloons> this is mainly a feedback session for you :-)
[18:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, chilicuil, phillw, philipballew, svwilliams care to hop in?
[18:07] <chilicuil> I'd like to enter balloons
[18:07] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/67b89b7c84196026cc7e60116dd25e9bf09eade8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:07] <balloons> for anyone who wishes
[18:07] <balloons> have at it
[18:07] <philipballew> gotta do a meeting in community 2
[18:08] <balloons> starting the broadcast
[18:08] <Letozaf_> ok for me
[18:12] <balloons> you'll want to mute the video from the page
[18:12] <balloons> Letozaf_, et la :-)
[18:12] <balloons> otherwise it makes for some massive delay
[18:12] <svwilliams> it's pretty funny
[18:12] <svwilliams> the delay
[18:13] <svwilliams> yeah between Hangout and the video on the UDS page
[18:13] <svwilliams> so mute the youtube video
[18:15] <Letozaf_> weired the delay :D
[18:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, yea, you have to kill the video page when you join the hangout
[18:15] <balloons> or otherwise stop the video from playing
[18:18] <Letozaf_> when I connect I start getting a delay even if I turn the video off
[18:18] <balloons> a delay from what? :-(
[18:18] <balloons> try turning everything off to audio only
[18:18] <Letozaf_> I hear you guys talk after  a while
[18:18] <fisch246> finally the kiwi is working now
[18:20] <chilicuil> not sure if I'm using the correct words =), I mean that the tracker should take more active actions to show in the testing tracker the bugs reported against the packages we're testing
[18:21] <chilicuil> yeah, a more verbose option
[18:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, after joining there's a button in the top right that looks like a phone reception icon
[18:22] <chilicuil> yeah, launchpad itself does a good job finding duplicates
[18:23] <Letozaf_> maybe we just need some classroom sessions on how to search bugs correclty
[18:23] <balloons> you can lower the bandwidth requirements to audio only
[18:23] <balloons> that should help
[18:25] <chilicuil> yeah or the most common
[18:25] <phillw> we are planning to re-run some of the classroom sessions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom as some of our testing tools are now functioning better in 13.04
[18:26] <chilicuil> phillw: that'll be nice
[18:26] <sak> If we are talking about finding duplicate bug, could bugs of the same program are made, be put under one category?
[18:26] <Letozaf_> can you send me the link again I lost it
[18:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/67b89b7c84196026cc7e60116dd25e9bf09eade8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:26] <balloons> and anyone else who wishes to join :-) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/67b89b7c84196026cc7e60116dd25e9bf09eade8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:27] <chilicuil> we need to make emphasis in the fact that running tests and finding issues is a good thing, we don't need lots of tests without results
[18:28] <Letozaf_> when I connect its a mess, I lowered bandwidth and turned video and audio off
[18:30] <chilicuil> Letozaf_: =/, it's somekind slow here as well
[18:30] <Letozaf_> chilicuil: fiew! I was worried :D
[18:31] <balloons> sorry guys :-)(
[18:31] <balloons> feel free to participate via irc
[18:31] <balloons> no worries
[18:32] <Letozaf_> I think that maybe it's just a problem due to that people do not understand how to report a bug
[18:33] <Letozaf_> so I think the problem could be solved with some classrooms or hangouts on bug reporting
[18:33] <Letozaf_> maybe some tips and tricks on bug reporting
[18:33] <svwilliams> Do we have tips and tricks for offline bug reporting … how do I report about a machine that can't connect
[18:34] <svwilliams> A) do x to get log
[18:34] <Letozaf_> maybe a video is easier than reading an how to :D
[18:34] <Letozaf_> liek the ones done for testing ISO-s
[18:34] <chilicuil> that surely can help Letozaf_
[18:36] <roadmr> I would only resort to video if it's something hard to show on a document (like tying a bow tie)
[18:36] <roadmr> the reason is that most people can read and process faster than what a video can show - there, you're limited to the presenter's speed
[18:36] <Letozaf_> maybe someone good ad reporting bugs can have a kind of tips and tricks to avoid reporting duplicate bugs :D
[18:37] <balloons> roadmr, I agree.. I speed read, so I like text ;-)
[18:39] <Letozaf_> have some tips and tricks to avoid duplicate bugs
[18:39] <chilicuil> I dont think we need a desktop client
[18:39] <Letozaf_> audio is coming and going here :(
[18:42] <phillw> bzr is still on my to-do list :)
[18:42] <svwilliams> could you repeat your question
[18:43] <simosx> I suppose that people do not use the ISO tracker because it's a new thing to learn, and they would rather have a walkthrough document.
[18:43] <sak> Still need more training on merging a testcase. The bzr howto, is very technical
[18:43] <simosx> Is there a walkthrough document?
[18:43] <Letozaf_> I do not find the tracker difficult, but I do not know about the others
[18:43] <chilicuil> who has birds nearby ? =)
[18:44] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[18:44] <phillw> the bzr one is at http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[18:44] <Letozaf_> sounds better now
[18:44] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[18:45] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases
[18:46] <simosx> thanks
[18:47] <chilicuil> idea: add the 'contribute an manual|automatic testcase' to the ubuntu accomplishment system
[18:47] <svwilliams> +1
[18:47] <svwilliams> maybe a couple accomplishments around testcases
[18:47] <brendand> svwilliams, there is a way to save the apport info for reporting later
[18:48] <chilicuil> I can do it balloons
[18:48] <Letozaf_> I also hear the birds :D
[18:49] <chilicuil> nooo! I enjoy the sound =)
[18:49] <svwilliams> brendand: I did that while testing maas and when I tried to grab it the report didn't save … should have submitted that as a bug but it was late
[18:49] <sak> What does the "accomplishment" do?
[18:49] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments
[18:50] <brendand> svwilliams, what did you try exactly?
[18:50] <maclin> balloons: I have a question about how to show the testcases in Chinese on tracker? or is it needed?
[18:51] <Letozaf_> maybe put some links to the documentation in the tracker
[18:51] <sak> So the "accomplishments" it is a summary of your contributions?
[18:52] <svwilliams> oh man … balloons was helping I don't remember it was a way to save the system log to a location and I saved it to a root of one of my partitions but there was no file there when I logged in with my main partition
[18:52] <roadmr> wouldn't translations have to go both ways? unless you have someone who can read chinese "transcribing" the reports, if someone can't read english it's reasonable to assume they also can't write it, so translation would be needed twice
[18:52] <simosx> sak, "accomplishments" is a program that you run on Ubuntu, and whenever you perform one of the supported tasks, you get a badge/star that you have accomplished it.
[18:53] <chilicuil> maybe if we export the testcases as a package or something to launchpad, i18n teams could treat it as other packages languages, doing it possible to translate them, the spanish team for instance I'm almost sure could translate them in no time
[18:53] <Letozaf_> I find submitting results easy, maybe we should just make the documentation much easier to find by putting links in the tacker
[18:53] <sak> Thank. Good way to keep of what you have done and what need to be done
[18:54] <maclin> ok,thanks
[18:57] <chilicuil> thanks for the session =)
[18:57] <Letozaf_> audio keeps on coming and going her :(
[18:57] <balloons> thanks :-) Sorry the hangout didn't work out so well
[18:58] <balloons> was it me Letozaf_ ?
[18:58] <fisch246> i still have yet to have audio issues
[18:58] <roadmr> balloons, Letozaf_ : I don't think so, it was rock-solid on my end (watchiing the youtube stream)
[18:58] <balloons> or everyone? I suppose I was the one talking
[18:58] <Letozaf_> no I do not think so
[18:58] <sak> this was good
[18:58] <balloons> ok..
[18:58] <Letozaf_> I have had problems during
[18:58] <balloons> I just get nervous hearing it :-)
[18:58] <Letozaf_> the whole hangout
[18:58] <roadmr> thanks balloons !
[18:58] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[18:59] <Letozaf_> thank you balloons: