| * chilicuil prepares himself a coffee | 14:28 | |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//community-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2 | ||
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Lubuntu work items for Saucy | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/ | ||
| balloons | for anyone who wants to join the sesssion, please speak up for an invite | 14:56 |
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| elfy | shouldn't the youtube thing work anyway? | 14:57 |
| chilicuil | I'd like balloons | 14:57 |
| balloons | elfy, you can certainly watch and use IRC.. but if your going to be talking a lot, hop into the video hangout :-) | 14:58 |
| elfy | I'll not be talking at all ;) | 14:58 |
| elfy | no mike :) | 14:58 |
| balloons | ahh | 14:59 |
| balloons | for anyone who wants to join the sesssion, please speak up for an invite | 15:01 |
| Yorvyk | I'd like an invite | 15:04 |
| balloons | sure thing Yorvyk | 15:04 |
| balloons | can everyone see the hangout? | 15:06 |
| SergioMeneses | balloons, no | 15:06 |
| daker_ | yep | 15:06 |
| daker_ | SergioMeneses:refresh | 15:06 |
| SergioMeneses | yes!!! | 15:06 |
| elfy | nope | 15:07 |
| SergioMeneses | I did thanks daker_ | 15:07 |
| elfy | so did I | 15:07 |
| SergioMeneses | phillw, are you the penguin? | 15:07 |
| balloons | thanks guys :-) | 15:07 |
| balloons | gilir= pengiun = Julien | 15:07 |
| elfy | zip nada nothing here at all | 15:08 |
| chilicuil | I've seen some mail in the qa ml about something like a plan to introduce xp users to lubuntu, is this something official? | 15:09 |
| chilicuil | if it's I think it could be a good idea to try to organizate how it's gonna be done, to me it sounds like a good idea | 15:09 |
| elfy | that's cos I' not even at the right time - you can ignore me lol | 15:09 |
| balloons | elfy, lol.. did you figure everything out? | 15:10 |
| elfy | I'm cool - got a mental disconnect going between UTC and BST :D | 15:10 |
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| chilicuil | and what about other browsers, such as midori? | 15:38 |
| chilicuil | understandable | 15:41 |
| jcastro | gema: heya, this is our irc | 16:00 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Client | Move automated upgrade testing to UTAH | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21830/client-s-upgrade-testing-with-utah/ | ||
| zyga | plars-vuds: hi | 16:03 |
| zyga | hey | 16:05 |
| zyga | I'd love to join | 16:05 |
| zyga | plars-vuds: ^^ | 16:05 |
| zyga | thanks | 16:09 |
| josepht_uds | I think the key is having utah handle running tests on the images | 16:26 |
| gema | josepht_uds: that's what we are trying to agree on how to do | 16:27 |
| gema | josepht_uds: why don't you join? | 16:27 |
| josepht_uds | gema: I have to run in a few minutes | 16:27 |
| gema | josepht_uds: ok | 16:29 |
| gema | 10 minutes to go | 16:51 |
| zyga | thanks, I learned a few interesting things just now | 16:57 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305//community-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2 | ||
| MarkDude | Community \o | 17:01 |
| bkerensa | jono_: where is the hangout link? | 17:18 |
| bkerensa | valorie: yeah but idk how to pull the trigger on this | 17:18 |
| bkerensa | :) | 17:18 |
| valorie | ok | 17:18 |
| bkerensa | cjohnston: hangout? | 17:19 |
| bkerensa | hmm | 17:19 |
| bkerensa | I guess I have to set it up myself maybe | 17:19 |
| valorie | the bot doesn't seem to know that we have a session scheduled | 17:19 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 17:19 |
| bkerensa | idk | 17:19 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, session isnt for an hour yet | 17:20 |
| bkerensa | oh | 17:20 |
| valorie | what? | 17:20 |
| jono_ | look at the time | 17:20 |
| jono_ | it is not 6pm UTC yet | 17:20 |
| jono_ | 18:05 - 19:00 UTC | 17:20 |
| jono_ | now it is 5:20 PM | 17:20 |
| bkerensa | valorie: heh you worried me I was late to my session | 17:20 |
| bkerensa | :) | 17:21 |
| jono_ | :-) | 17:21 |
| elfy | I've been doing that all afternoon | 17:21 |
| bkerensa | elfy: its so early | 17:21 |
| bkerensa | I should be sleeping | 17:21 |
| jcastro | I woke up an hour early if it makes you feel better | 17:21 |
| elfy | and got really worried when I heard wolverhampton mentioned | 17:21 |
| jcastro | I should have been sleeping | 17:21 |
| valorie | damn it | 17:22 |
| valorie | ok, back in a bit then | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | valorie: do you know what time the session is specifically? | 17:39 |
| bkerensa | valorie: I just had family arrive | 17:39 |
| bkerensa | and I do think the issue is mostly resolved now | 17:39 |
| MarkDude | UTC equals fun confusion at times :D | 17:41 |
| * MarkDude agrees. Has made clear on other bug its closed also | 17:42 | |
| bkerensa | okie dokie | 17:45 |
| bkerensa | woah see | 17:55 |
| bkerensa | we do have a community | 17:55 |
| bkerensa | :) | 17:55 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Planning for Ubuntu Community presence on the Ubuntu Website | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21740/community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning/ | ||
| bkerensa | we will be starting momentarily folks | 17:56 |
| JoseeAntonioR | who's hosting this one? | 17:57 |
| bkerensa | Me | 17:57 |
| bkerensa | jono_ is making the hangout | 17:57 |
| jono_ | it starts in 8mins | 17:57 |
| bkerensa | oh yeah indeed | 17:57 |
| * bkerensa slaps udsbotu | 17:57 | |
| elfy | bkerensa: so is anyone from the webteam going to be present? | 17:59 |
| bkerensa | elfy: yes | 17:59 |
| elfy | thanks | 17:59 |
| bkerensa | elfy: and Jono will be there representing Canonical Community Team too | 18:00 |
| * MarkDude is on irc, figures it makes sense to let the Community folks handle the Hangout | 18:01 | |
| elfy | who's MarkDude then :) | 18:01 |
| philipballew | Id like to join the hangout | 18:01 |
| MarkDude | \o | 18:01 |
| MarkDude | philipballew: 's voice would be better to hear anyway | 18:01 |
| * pleia2 waves | 18:01 | |
| JoseeAntonioR | hey, everyone | 18:02 |
| MarkDude | hangout link (to watch)? | 18:02 |
| * philipballew sings softly to MarkDude | 18:02 | |
| elfy | yea - but I'm elfy from the Forum Council - is MarkDude just some guy from a Douglas Adam's book or someone from the webteam :) | 18:02 |
| philipballew | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21740/community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning/ | 18:02 |
| philipballew | MarkDude, ^ | 18:02 |
| * MarkDude is from another Universe | 18:02 | |
| MarkDude | Here as community :) | 18:02 |
| elfy | bkerensa: so who is here from the webteam | 18:02 |
| bkerensa | elfy: Peter Mahnke will be | 18:03 |
| elfy | ta | 18:03 |
| bkerensa | he should be in the hangout | 18:03 |
| bkerensa | there he is now | 18:04 |
| bkerensa | so peterm-ubuntu is on the Canonical Design Team | 18:04 |
| elfy | and I assume this session is just about the webpage and not the canonical/community fractures | 18:04 |
| JoseeAntonioR | exactly | 18:04 |
| elfy | yep - thanks bkerensa | 18:04 |
| peterm-ubuntu | hi bkerensa is there a ghangout? | 18:04 |
| bkerensa | peterm-ubuntu: jono_ is setting it up for us | 18:04 |
| hggdh | Coming in Real Soon Now :-) | 18:05 |
| valorie | o/ | 18:05 |
| peterm-ubuntu | cool… bkerensa I am here with Alejandra as well | 18:05 |
| elfy | so there's nowhere at this uds about the real issue - the not letting people know what's going on until it's too late and people shout out | 18:05 |
| MarkDude | elfy: +1 | 18:06 |
| philipballew | the elephant in the room. ^ | 18:06 |
| JoseeAntonioR | elfy: the topic may pop-up anyways | 18:06 |
| MarkDude | But this session is design oriented :) | 18:06 |
| elfy | I'm about - but camera and mic less :) | 18:07 |
| cjohnston | howdy | 18:07 |
| * philipballew awaits hangout invite | 18:08 | |
| MarkDude | philipballew: needs invite | 18:08 |
| dholbach | anyone else who wants to be part of the hangout? | 18:08 |
| MarkDude | Pingy | 18:08 |
| MarkDude | :) | 18:08 |
| dholbach | MarkDude, yes yes yes | 18:08 |
| MarkDude | Not me | 18:08 |
| dholbach | I passed on the link already - it sometimes just take a while for folks to sign in | 18:08 |
| dholbach | :) | 18:08 |
| philipballew | dholbach, yes, and if there is room, MarkDude should join | 18:08 |
| MarkDude | FAir enough. | 18:09 |
| elfy | dholbach: thanks for inviting me | 18:09 |
| cjohnston | someone is watching and on air | 18:09 |
| dholbach | philipballew, looks like MarkDude didn't want to | 18:09 |
| * MarkDude thinks this being Design stuff | 18:09 | |
| dholbach | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21706/community-1305-community-website-revamp/ | 18:09 |
| MarkDude | And as to general issue of fracture, I see the dialog being strong, and am willing to bet things are gonna SMOOTH a bit. | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | cjohnston: it's paused for me, is there an external link to the etherpad so when I load the page it doesn't go all nuts? :) | 18:09 |
| MarkDude | Thats another time tho | 18:09 |
| JoseeAntonioR | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning | 18:10 |
| JoseeAntonioR | pleia2: ^ | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | ty | 18:10 |
| MarkDude | +1 | 18:10 |
| jcastro | can someone paste the link in irc? | 18:10 |
| * MarkDude is ALSO willing to bet METRICS will be great on this, not too worried | 18:10 | |
| MarkDude | The Community's <click links> look safe in long run, IMHO | 18:11 |
| valorie | my question is still why communication was lacking? | 18:13 |
| elfy | indeed | 18:13 |
| elfy | that's nothing new - comes up with boring regularity | 18:13 |
| valorie | "won'tfix" on the bug was very passive-aggressive | 18:13 |
| czajkowski | valorie: indeed, but it should be noted that wasn't that design teams doing | 18:14 |
| valorie | it stirred the FUD | 18:14 |
| MarkDude | czajkowski: +1 | 18:14 |
| elfy | czajkowski: people can see exactly who marked it | 18:15 |
| czajkowski | valorie: indeed but I don't think we can can blame the design team for this tbh | 18:15 |
| * MarkDude took exception to team being blamed. | 18:15 | |
| valorie | well, I'm not about blame, I'm about improving the process | 18:15 |
| * MarkDude is always aware of Design folks being caught in middle or pretty much EVERYTHING :) | 18:15 | |
| hggdh | still. As the hangout is trying to stress, communication (and consequent perception) is a critical thingy to keep in mind | 18:15 |
| MarkDude | The Design team | 18:15 |
| MarkDude | Communication +1 | 18:16 |
| elfy | hggdh: agreed | 18:16 |
| MarkDude | As a person that has said he was concerned about dialog for last few years. I feel a few things have changed | 18:16 |
| MarkDude | hggdh: agreed | 18:16 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: +1 yes | 18:17 |
| * MarkDude feels its gonna get better | 18:17 | |
| hggdh | jcastro: state it again. And again. And again. memory is short, and we cannot depend on it. Even though I do remember - -now -- the Brussels discussions, I had already forgotten about them | 18:17 |
| valorie | the design team isn't on planet, correct? | 18:17 |
| jcastro | "let's fix community.ubuntu.com" has been the recurring thing we haven't been able to fix for as long as I can remember | 18:17 |
| cjohnston | Nothing stops any community member from blogging about this too. | 18:18 |
| valorie | that should be fixed, IMO | 18:18 |
| elfy | hggdh: this is the thing - if there's been some sort of 'we discussed this sometime ago, now we're ready to do something - so this will be happening' makes life easier for everyone | 18:18 |
| bkerensa | Any questions or feedback from IRC? | 18:18 |
| MarkDude | Or FOSS in general :) blogging that is | 18:18 |
| valorie | please put the design team on planet | 18:18 |
| hggdh | bkerensa: ^ | 18:18 |
| bkerensa | valorie: they are | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | valorie: theya re on planet | 18:18 |
| bkerensa | but they didnt announce the plan to take down the link | 18:19 |
| valorie | ok, I've missed that then | 18:19 |
| bkerensa | until the day after they did the spring clean | 18:19 |
| valorie | ok | 18:19 |
| * popey typed a question in the comments section of etherpad. | 18:19 | |
| bkerensa | and the community.u.c site well its been something that apparently was discussed over years | 18:19 |
| bkerensa | so | 18:19 |
| bkerensa | there was disconnect as to whether the spring clean was related to the link removal | 18:19 |
| bkerensa | especially with the delay in the blog post | 18:19 |
| czajkowski | peter +1 | 18:20 |
| MarkDude | PERCEPTION by folks may be broke. I DONT think the processes are ALL broke inside of Ubuntu/Canonical. | 18:20 |
| * MarkDude has seen quite a few things improve | 18:20 | |
| popey | GIANT +! | 18:20 |
| popey | +1 | 18:20 |
| popey | Too quickly people assume canonical are out to screw the community. | 18:20 |
| cjohnston | +1 | 18:20 |
| czajkowski | popey: +1 it's so disheartening tbh | 18:20 |
| MarkDude | popey: +1 | 18:20 |
| popey | People think we're deliberately messing things up just to mess with people | 18:20 |
| MarkDude | They are NOT | 18:20 |
| valorie | well, announcing what is happening nips that in the bud | 18:21 |
| hggdh | it has been getting better -- although I am a bit biased. But we still lack a bit more of proactive announcements | 18:21 |
| popey | and we've been around for _years_ yet every single damn time this happens, people jump on us with the blog posts, the bitchy bug reports, the stupid videos. | 18:21 |
| valorie | people always do that, so plan ahead to circumvent it | 18:21 |
| popey | It's _incredibly_ depressing for those of us working at Canonical who actually _care_ (which FWIW is all of us) | 18:21 |
| philipballew | what we do not want to assume that community members can just see a "problem" Canonical did, and be quick to judge without finding out what might really be the issue. the problem is we as community members have a disconnect to talk to canonical people. | 18:21 |
| * MarkDude thinks there is a disparity between results being ok most the time, and some not being able to see it | 18:22 | |
| popey | There's certainly occasions where we (canonical) just don't expect the flak - like when shopping lens came out - we really were surprised at the negative feedback. | 18:22 |
| cjohnston | philipballew: Ben asked questions on two different places and was answered both times.. before the bug was filed. where is the disconnect? | 18:22 |
| elfy | popey: you're not the only ones who care - but try seeing the picture from this side - you might all be constantly talkign about things - but if it stays that side - then the first thing people see is stuff like community suddenly disappearing :) | 18:22 |
| hggdh | popey: we *know* there will be complaints (and, this time, I was one of them). So what we could do is been more proactive about announcing it (as valorie suggests) | 18:23 |
| valorie | "surprise!" is almost always seen badly | 18:23 |
| popey | elfy: but people could talk to us, but they don't, they just jump right on blog posts, bugs, social complaining | 18:23 |
| valorie | geeks don't like surprises | 18:23 |
| elfy | indeed valorie | 18:23 |
| popey | rather than _talking_ | 18:23 |
| MarkDude | EXAMPLE: I was given help by Canonical folks , as well as many other offers of help for making bug for this- as well as open process for Blueprints | 18:23 |
| philipballew | cjohnston, the problem is there is a difference between Canonical and Ubuntu community and that should not be. | 18:23 |
| philipballew | We should not have people labeled as "community" or "Canonical", just label everyone as "people who help make Ubuntu" | 18:23 |
| elfy | philipballew: +1 to that | 18:24 |
| * MarkDude made point about SURPRISES- a few understood, most were unhappy at no warnings ;) | 18:24 | |
| * JoseeAntonioR waves | 18:24 | |
| popey | I have seen people inside Canonical say they actually don't want to talk to the community because they're afraid of the InstaFlak which comes with it. Which shouldn't be the case. | 18:24 |
| MarkDude | philipballew: +1 | 18:24 |
| hggdh | jono_: +1 -- there is no "Canonical" and "Community" as different groups. We are all in this together | 18:24 |
| MarkDude | +1 on common themes | 18:24 |
| valorie | think of it like good parenting | 18:24 |
| elfy | popey: and I +1 that | 18:24 |
| valorie | warn the kids well in advance | 18:24 |
| jcastro | hmm, forgot to blame cjohnston during the hangout | 18:24 |
| MarkDude | Hang in there folks, I STILL say there was a disconnect. water under the bridge | 18:25 |
| cjohnston | go for it | 18:25 |
| jono_ | always cjohnston's fault | 18:25 |
| elfy | it was subliminal jcastro | 18:25 |
| popey | question in teh etherpad! | 18:25 |
| jono_ | THAT GUY BRINGS NOTHING | 18:25 |
| jono_ | lol | 18:25 |
| popey | jono_: bkerensa | 18:25 |
| MarkDude | Dialog is good | 18:25 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: jono_ questions in etherpad | 18:25 |
| popey | jono_: see Comments: | 18:25 |
| hggdh | jcastro: nowadays, it is always cjohnston (cannot blame me anymore :-) | 18:25 |
| * MarkDude made SURE cjohnston was not blamed | 18:25 | |
| asomething | there's a session tomorrow right? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21706/community-1305-community-website-revamp/ | 18:25 |
| MarkDude | At least by me | 18:25 |
| jcastro | looking | 18:25 |
| MarkDude | Need to clarify Jono and jcastro helpful too | 18:25 |
| popey | ☹ | 18:25 |
| dholbach | asomething, yes - that's about the actual site itself | 18:25 |
| elfy | asomething: yea - more about the page itslef | 18:25 |
| elfy | snap :) | 18:26 |
| bkerensa | valorie: I agree with jono_ its hard to be aware of everything going on... I do not see this as a lets dogpile Canonical but more along the lines of just the Community being passionate about the project they are contributing to and due to the lack of being able to be aware of "all the things" we are very vigilant in defending community | 18:26 |
| MarkDude | Tnx. and lets write some things about *making bridges * | 18:26 |
| dholbach | and hey asomething! good to see you again! :) | 18:26 |
| jono_ | who left that comment? | 18:26 |
| bkerensa | asomething: yea | 18:26 |
| popey | jono_: me | 18:26 |
| jono_ | popey, well volunteered :-) | 18:26 |
| elfy | popey: I'd assume that would be tomorrow too | 18:26 |
| popey | jono_: saw that coming | 18:26 |
| popey | ☻ | 18:26 |
| jono_ | :-) | 18:26 |
| valorie | I'm not targeting "canonical" -- but anyone who is considering making big changes | 18:26 |
| valorie | announce well in advance, and you get buyin rather than FUD | 18:27 |
| bkerensa | should let the community know somehow | 18:27 |
| bkerensa | valorie: +1 | 18:27 |
| valorie | that includes community people too | 18:27 |
| hggdh | valorie: correct. That's pretty much all there is to be done | 18:27 |
| valorie | all teh teams | 18:27 |
| valorie | :-) | 18:27 |
| dholbach | I think that's very very hard to do | 18:27 |
| bkerensa | valorie: indeed I think Community is just as responsible for ensuring we announce changes | 18:27 |
| bkerensa | this car has more than one driver | 18:28 |
| valorie | naturally, or we'd all do it more | 18:28 |
| dholbach | and that's something worth thinking very hard about - if ALL THE TEAMS announce everything all the time, we'd drown in information | 18:28 |
| dholbach | which wouldn't help solve the problem | 18:28 |
| dholbach | we have weekly team reports on the mailing lists by some team - who reads all the details in there? | 18:28 |
| * valorie is already drowning, nothing new there | 18:28 | |
| cjohnston | and more time would be spent writing announcements than doing work | 18:28 |
| MarkDude | Simple suggestion- if there are metrics- or maybe hurt feelings involved ASK | 18:28 |
| dholbach | it's easy to ask for more info and more transparency | 18:29 |
| bkerensa | ubuntu-community-announce@lists.ubuntu.com | 18:29 |
| MarkDude | Some folks feelings were hurt by this | 18:29 |
| dholbach | but you have to be careful about how to do it | 18:29 |
| MarkDude | True | 18:29 |
| MarkDude | TOSW has some good suggestions | 18:29 |
| dholbach | I'd love for us to have a great overview over what's going on all across the project :) | 18:29 |
| elfy | no-one should expect minutia | 18:29 |
| dholbach | but one that'd digestable somehow :) | 18:29 |
| valorie | right | 18:29 |
| MarkDude | And wants some of the great Ubuntu examples of openness- | 18:29 |
| hggdh | dholbach: how about setting a place on the web, split by area-of-interest, where links to teams' announcements are put? Like a "central" information booth | 18:30 |
| MarkDude | Tnx for the session folks :) | 18:30 |
| valorie | yes, thanks to all who participated | 18:30 |
| elfy | dholbach: this community website thing - could have been really positive community issue if it didn't feel like we're trying to catch back what got thrown away | 18:31 |
| valorie | and kudos to bkerensa for driving this | 18:31 |
| dholbach | hggdh, we tried that with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports - still you have some teams mailing stuff to the mailing lists or blogging it - depending on where their primary interest group is | 18:31 |
| dholbach | still you'd need somebody to pre-digest all the details in there | 18:31 |
| hggdh | dholbach: care to talk about that later | 18:31 |
| dholbach | elfy, this has been discussed for 2 years already | 18:31 |
| elfy | the FC team report is REALLY easy to reed :) | 18:31 |
| valorie | dholbach: teamreports is so difficult to do | 18:31 |
| cjohnston | Doesn't the weekly newsletter do that? | 18:31 |
| * hggdh is starting to be afraid he will end up with something to do | 18:31 | |
| elfy | dholbach: yes maybe - but where? | 18:31 |
| valorie | I've never been fully successful at making it work | 18:31 |
| elfy | because I never saaw much about it :) | 18:31 |
| dholbach | elfy, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite?action=info which is the most recent incarnation of the project - 2012-12-05 22:05:14 the site was set up | 18:32 |
| elfy | anyway - this is just circular - but I think everyone is of the same mine - comms didn't work too well | 18:32 |
| dholbach | hggdh, we can chat briefly now if that's OK - I planned to drop off after the last UDS session | 18:32 |
| MarkDude | elfy: +1 | 18:33 |
| hggdh | dholbach: can be another day, I also have a (work) meeting in a few | 18:33 |
| dholbach | hggdh, sure! :) | 18:33 |
| elfy | yes - but that's just a list of edits to a wiki page I didn't even know about till I happened to see you talking about it in ubuntu-community-team :) | 18:33 |
| dholbach | yeah, that's what I talked about | 18:34 |
| dholbach | google for the page and see where it was mentioned before | 18:34 |
| dholbach | I know that Jono blogged about it and it was mentioned elsewhere | 18:34 |
| dholbach | that's the signal/noise/communication channels problem we have to solve :) | 18:34 |
| elfy | I agree :) | 18:34 |
| MarkDude | Agreed. | 18:35 |
| elfy | but after 7 years I'm just a bit cynical about seeing it change :) | 18:35 |
| dholbach | come on | 18:36 |
| dholbach | that's a problem we have to solve together | 18:36 |
| elfy | in as postive a way as that can be read :) | 18:36 |
| elfy | yep | 18:36 |
| cjohnston | There is no perfect way. There is planet, theres voices, there are team blogs, there is the weekly news letter, how many more places do things need to be published? | 18:36 |
| elfy | perhaps something/somewhere that's less full of the diverse and more specific | 18:37 |
| elfy | who knows - if I had all the answers I'd tell you ;) | 18:37 |
| dholbach | it's a very hard problem to solve and we had sessions about it in the past which didn't result in much unfortunately because it is hard | 18:37 |
| elfy | which should just be more reason to fight through it | 18:38 |
| dholbach | and I can understand the demand for transparency | 18:38 |
| dholbach | but it's hard, there's often time pressure, lack of a good process, etc | 18:38 |
| elfy | yep | 18:38 |
| elfy | should add it to the community roundtable ... | 18:39 |
| elfy | well - thanks for the time, got some early evening stuff to get done | 18:39 |
| cjohnston | its more than just a roundtable discussion | 18:40 |
| MarkDude | dholbach: you are fully correct. Being Open does not mean EVERYTHING, private is fine at time- especially when looking at POSSIBLE details | 18:40 |
| dholbach | I guess what I'm just a bit unhappy about is that there are many asking for more info, more detail, more transparency -- which I totally understand -- but up until now I didn't see many folks acknowledging how hard it is, spending some time to think about it and willing to put some work into it | 18:40 |
| elfy | I know - but at the moment it's a lot of disparate groups complaining at each other - someone has to grab the thing by the scruff of the necj | 18:40 |
| dholbach | MarkDude, yeah, I understand | 18:40 |
| MarkDude | dholbach: _ FULLY have your back on that | 18:40 |
| MarkDude | I do | 18:41 |
| * MarkDude will email you with some follow up ideas | 18:41 | |
| elfy | cjohnston: that was for you ^^ not dholbach :) | 18:41 |
| MarkDude | I have seen this happen in other places, its not just one place that has this | 18:41 |
| elfy | dholbach: and you know that I'm often about - I do talk to people :) | 18:41 |
| elfy | gtg now - cya for tomorrow's session on it | 18:42 |
| MarkDude | Another project I work with has some folks VERY upset over a decision that was made. They dont think it was open. At this point it looks ok, but they are trying the appeal type process | 18:42 |
| MarkDude | Suggestion if the BLueprints made a BIT more sense, I would not have needed to waste others time that much | 18:43 |
| MarkDude | Mostly the Blueprint -vs- BP for UDS | 18:43 |
| valorie | when the issue is seen as "open" vs "closed" -- it's a class issue, and no one likes to discuss class! | 18:44 |
| cjohnston | MarkDude: which part of the instructions I wrote don't make sense? | 18:44 |
| valorie | MarkDude: link to blueprint in question? | 18:44 |
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| dholbach | it works now | 19:09 |
| dholbach | but for me at least it lags or starts/stops every now and then | 19:09 |
| * pleia2 waves | 19:09 | |
| Cheri703 | hello | 19:10 |
| IdleOne | I think the trolling on the eitherpad is more than enough now. | 19:10 |
| * IdleOne waves | 19:11 | |
| MarkDude | UW rox! Keep up the good work folks :) | 19:14 |
| dholbach | MarkDude, does the video feed work ok for you? | 19:16 |
| * MarkDude needs to go leave to meet a Fedoran from Burkina Fasso in SF | 19:17 | |
| MarkDude | Prolly better for me to be quiet on more things ;) | 19:17 |
| MarkDude | <working on it> | 19:17 |
| dholbach | enjoy! | 19:17 |
| * dholbach 'd love to go to Burkina Faso | 19:18 | |
| dholbach | having a capital which is called Ouagadougou is already reason enough to be keen to visit it | 19:18 |
| dholbach | but for me the video feed is still starting and stopping :-/ | 19:18 |
| MarkDude | lol that is where he is from | 19:19 |
| Cheri703 | dholbach: try the youtube direct link? | 19:19 |
| Cheri703 | we do have small gaps of silence, so that might be the problem? | 19:19 |
| dholbach | Cheri703, good point - let me try | 19:19 |
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| dholbach | it's getting better now - thanks | 19:21 |
| valorie | o/ | 19:23 |
| valorie | sorry to be late | 19:23 |
| valorie | oh, new plugin | 19:24 |
| valorie | installing | 19:24 |
| fisch246 | you could start with a group at conference, to try and get word around about the ubuntu women project. then eventually lead to hosting events, and conferences yourselves. | 19:27 |
| Cheri703 | yeah, the difficulty is that we are all spread out really far | 19:27 |
| Cheri703 | so trying to get in-person activities is complicated. | 19:28 |
| Cheri703 | that would be another benefit of collaborating with other grups, we could have more mass to work toward events | 19:28 |
| fisch246 | true, and you could just keep it open source for now. maybe make an open source conference sponsored by ubuntu women project, and other open source related projects | 19:29 |
| fisch246 | ha like the hat in the background | 19:32 |
| IdleOne | lol, no pressure pleia2 | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:33 |
| valorie | thanks, fisch246 | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | haha, just saw the etherpad ;P | 19:35 |
| JoseeAntonioR | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | 19:35 |
| Cheri703 | :D | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:36 |
| valorie | lots of places to keep up with what's going on | 19:36 |
| fisch246 | i could contact chris and see if one of you could get an interview on Linux Action Show | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | that would be cool | 19:41 |
| valorie | btw, it's announce@linuxchix.org | 19:41 |
| JoseeAntonioR | ok, time for me to run now :) | 19:41 |
| JoseeAntonioR | see you all later | 19:41 |
| fisch246 | https://plus.google.com/108668411027851722546/posts | 19:42 |
| fisch246 | that's his account | 19:42 |
| fisch246 | http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/contact/ | 19:43 |
| fisch246 | that's another way to contact him :) | 19:43 |
| Cheri703 | awesome, thanks | 19:43 |
| valorie | Systers, Linuxchix, DevChix, OpenHatch, CodeChix are some ideas | 19:44 |
| valorie | also there is a G+ circle for women in open souce, or women in FOSS | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | I didn't know about the G+ circles | 19:45 |
| valorie | I'll forward you the circle or however one does that | 19:45 |
| valorie | aha, there is a planet for that | 19:45 |
| valorie | .....can't remember the name | 19:45 |
| fisch246 | if you mean community, you could post the link here | 19:46 |
| valorie | and right, lcx has an active planet | 19:46 |
| valorie | maco will remember | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | live.linuxchix.org | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | http://planet.ubuntu-women.org/ | 19:46 |
| fisch246 | cool :) | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | http://planeteria.org/wfs/ | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | that's the one I was thinking of | 19:47 |
| valorie | hmmm, ok, didn't know about that one | 19:48 |
| Cheri703 | June 11 in #ubuntu-women-project | 19:48 |
| Cheri703 | next uw meeting | 19:48 |
| valorie | great meeting! | 19:49 |
| valorie | thanks all | 19:49 |
| Dolasilla | :) | 19:49 |
| IdleOne | Great meeting, thanks all. | 19:50 |
| Dolasilla | sorry for initial mess with the double video sound :/ | 19:50 |
| fisch246 | no prob | 19:50 |
| fisch246 | great session | 19:50 |
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