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elfywell I got laptop with mic - whether it works or not is another thing altogether17:09
pleia2I can't find the xubuntu sessions on the schedule, what am I doing wrong? :)17:19
elfynot reading the mail that says they've been removed :)17:19
pleia2x_x17:20
elfyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008901.html17:20
elfytry that one :) 17:20
elfydoing it ourselves 17:20
pleia2I see17:20
elfywell - I installed what I thought was 13.04 on a laptop but was actually 13.10 ... 17:53
Unit193elfy: Haha!  Testing already then!18:46
elfy:)18:46
GridCubewhere will the meeting be held?19:25
knomeG+19:26
knomeand this channel19:26
GridCubewill the video be streamed outside the g+?19:28
GridCube:)19:28
knomewe will need to look at that.19:28
GridCubeP: i dont have any sound anyway so never mind for me side19:29
lderancould stream the window to something like twitch.tv19:29
knomei would imagine it's not too hard to stream to youtube from G+, they are both google products..19:29
GridCubei've seen that done a few times19:31
knomeyeah19:31
knome You don't need special software to record your conversation. Every Hangout On Air is automatically saved to your YouTube account. 19:31
lderanah thats cool19:32
knomewe just need to make it "on air"19:32
knomeovertime.19:33
knomebe back shortly19:33
knome\o/19:34
knomefinland wins19:34
lderanhuzzah19:35
knomeyay19:35
knomealso won the group stage19:35
elfythat'll be good then :)19:38
knomeyeah, will be facing slovaks again next19:39
knomedoes somebody have a verified youtube account?19:41
elfywhat does that mean?19:42
elfyoh nvm - not even reading properly 19:42
knomei suppose you both need to have a youtube account and have verified it with an SMS19:42
knome"on air" requires one19:42
elfyread youtube as google ... 19:42
knomein most cases, you can...19:42
elfyI've done it, it seems19:45
elfyyou can just use the google account to do it19:45
knomemhm, i suppose, as long as it is verified19:46
knomei get the option, but when i enable it, it tells me i need to verify...19:46
knomesomebody who has done that should start the hangout then19:46
elfyyea - I did - sent it to the phone19:46
knomecool19:46
elfynot sure it'd be a good idea to do it from here though - interwebs can be dodgy19:47
knomemmh, let's see if other people have such setups as well19:47
knomeso who's here for the first night of xubuntu?19:47
elfyI am - with voice if it works if not without :)19:48
* drc would rather be at The Proms :)19:48
lderani dont know how much i would be able to contribute :P19:49
knomelderan, doesn't matter19:49
elfyindeed not lderan - the first bit looks like gobbledygook to me :)19:49
lderansounds good to me :P19:50
Noskcajhello19:50
elfyhi Noskcaj 19:50
lderanHellos19:51
knomepleia2, ochosi 19:53
pleia2knome19:53
knome<319:53
knomeUnit193, 19:53
knomepleia2, do you have a verified youtube account?19:53
knomepleia2, and can you make the meeting in whole?19:53
pleia2I have no idea19:53
knomehaha. have you send an SMS to google?19:53
knome(or are you willing to)19:54
knomei'm not sure if i want to 1) enable the youtube side 2) send an SMS to google 19:54
elfygoogle to send you one ... 19:54
knomeoh.19:54
knomethen i don't want to send them my phone number19:54
elfy:)19:54
knomewhatever it is they ask me to do, i don't want to do it!19:55
knomeexcept if it involves me getting money19:55
lderanit takes a min or 2 for it to start streaming by the looks of it19:55
knomelderan, that's fine as long as we can record it :)19:55
knomeso people who want to join the hangout and probably say things, tell us your google names or email addresses19:56
elfyelfyesq@gmail.com19:56
Noskcajnoskcaj@ubuntu.com or doak.jackson@gmail.com19:56
lderanbeetyrootey@gmail.com19:57
* pleia2 @gmail.com19:58
knomehihi19:58
knome<- pasi@shimmerproject.org19:58
knomepleia2, so.. can you make the whole session?19:58
pleia2yeah19:58
knomewooo19:58
elfycool 19:59
pleia2except for when my grocery delivery arrives19:59
pleia2:)19:59
knomei'm thinking whether we should take meetingology notes19:59
pleia2but just like 5 minutes for that19:59
knomepleia2, that's fine, you can grab it19:59
knomepleia2, and we can look you eating19:59
knome:)19:59
elfyas long as you have cake 19:59
knomethe cake is a lie19:59
elfyknome: meetingology might be good 19:59
pleia2lunch is after session ;)19:59
knomepleia2, so... what about that verified yt account?19:59
knomepleia2, if you have it, i think it would be best if you created the hangout20:00
pleia2I don't even know what that is20:00
knomepleia2, you need to send google your phone num20:00
knomepleia2, then insert the code you get to some input box20:00
knomeand ta-dah!20:00
Unit193knome20:00
knomepleia2, then you can stream the hangout to your youtube account20:00
knomeUnit193, woo :)20:00
pleia2k, let me try20:01
knomepleia2 <320:01
knomeit's been so.. empty without you here in the xubuntu universe 20:01
knomei'm not saying you're fat!20:01
knome(you're not!)20:01
pleia2ok, it's verified20:02
pleia2hahaha :P20:02
knomenice20:02
pleia2so I start the hangout and invite you all?20:02
knomenow can you initiate a hangout with the email addresses above? :)20:02
knomeyup20:02
Unit193I'm all hot and sweaty, so don't want to see me dripping right now. :P20:02
knomeUnit193 <320:03
Unit193Also, I may not be here long, sadly.20:03
knomepleia2, invite Unit193 disregarding what he says.20:04
Noskcaji may have issues talking because it's 6am and everyone else is asleep, as i have no webcam and a mic hanging from my ear20:04
knomeheh20:04
elfyNoskcaj: don't wake people up - I know what I'd say and everyone in the hangout would hear it :)20:05
knomeheh20:05
knomeelfy, does that concern me as well? (23 here...)20:05
knome(or 11pm)20:06
elfyyep - I'd shout at you as well :p20:06
knomeyou're not my mum!20:06
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elfyas my lad knows only too well ... 20:06
Unit193elfy: Me too I'm sure, it's 1606 here.20:06
pleia2ok, it invited a bunch of people20:06
knomepleia2, just paste the link here20:06
knomepleia2, that should allow people to join20:06
pleia2http://youtu.be/lDZiuOmt-6Y20:06
knomebecause at least i can't see an invite..20:06
pleia2oh, other link20:07
knomehehe20:07
knomeyeah..20:07
pleia2I don't know how to use this stupid thing20:07
knomebut that's good as well20:07
knomejust paste the url from the hangout window20:07
* knome gets a sheet of paper for the mouse20:07
pleia2https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c59caae1bd65acf7efbdf323a2c2e0b552989670?authuser=1&hl=en20:07
pleia2I'll hit start broadcast when we're all ready20:08
* drc misses the old TV test patterns :)20:08
pleia2no knome voicey20:08
knomebling!20:09
knomenice doorbell20:09
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pleia2broadcast should be at that youtube link now20:10
knomehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305-dev20:12
knomeelfy, you there?20:14
pleia2elfy: milestone releases topic20:14
elfyyea - no mic though20:14
elfyso you'll have to read me :)20:15
knomei am reading20:15
elfythat makes sense to me 20:15
elfyyea - we need a plan - obviously we have the release dates - whether we want to do them all or not 20:16
elfywhich I guess we can discuss now20:16
elfyis it easier if I chat in the google window ?20:16
knomeelfy, not really20:16
elfyk20:16
elfywell I'd be inclined to say do as many as we can - be more likelihood of getting people to do some then20:17
Unit193knome: Yeah, pcman seems to be doing it pretty much himself. :P  They are teaming up with razor-qt in areas.20:19
GridCubeare you using meetingology ?20:24
pleia2no20:24
knomeGridCube, see the youtube link20:25
Unit193Than there are the Ubuntu tools.  What used to be jockey, ubuntu one, etc.20:25
GridCubeyes, i saw it, but i dont have sound20:25
GridCubeso its pretty pointles20:25
GridCubesorry 'bout that20:26
Unit193I couldn't get the question.20:36
Unit193Mainbuntu is going with Mallard, Lubuntu may well go with it, don't know what K uses.20:36
GridCubewhat do we use? just wikified text?20:38
Unit193https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/ ?20:38
Unit193GridCube: Docbook.20:38
elfyI can join in that - reviewing at least 20:39
Unit193Yeah, I've noticed a few problems.20:39
Unit193I'd like an option it it's config for fade or effects, but seems like it could be handy.20:50
Unit193I need to leave, I generally like it, but however.20:55
elfythanks20:57
knometa20:58
pleia2cool, youtube video is up immediately20:59
pleia2(same link as before)20:59
elfyexcellent20:59
knomepleia2, yeah!20:59
lderanooo cool20:59
elfyis there a uds meeting tomorrow that will have a bearing on which alpha/beta we want to test for?21:02
knomeelfy, we can decide ourself which alphas/betas we opt-in21:03
knomei mean the biggest question is when is xfce 4.12 released21:03
elfyI thought we were going to do that today lol - but yea - I want to get cracking on trying to get interest in testing if I can21:03
knomewell, yeah.21:04
knomewe can decide something today21:04
elfyI'd 'imagined' a main mail - this is the plan, followed up with regular - 'this  is coming up' 'we'd really like this app tested' things 21:04
elfycool - that'd be useful 21:05
knomei'm leaning towards alpha 2 or 3, but i'm fine with 1 as well.21:05
elfyjust looking at the schedule 21:05
knomeskellat noted that he'd like alpha 221:06
knomei mean, that's pretty nice schedule-wise21:06
elfy1 is a month away - so I'd assume there'd be a need - we can always backpedal a touch - and not remind when 1 is near 21:06
knomei agree with him that it leaves us good breathing space before the beta to fix bugs and stuff21:06
knomethe current state of the testing team isn't so good though21:07
elfynope21:07
knomei'm just worried that we might not have enough testers to make it worth the while21:07
knomeochosi, you still around?21:07
mutzsI'd like to help on the testing side21:07
knomemutzs, awesome!21:07
elfymutzs: cool21:07
elfyknome: I'm going to talk to one of the FC admins - he's quite heavily involved in the forum +1 area - see if we can drum up some interest there21:08
mutzsi did some tests for the last Cycle and think it's the right thing for me21:08
knomeelfy, nice21:08
elfywell we will have at least one extra - I'm here after being missing 21:09
elfyand every post I make there links to xubuntu/development - so every little helps21:09
elfywb Noskcaj 21:09
elfyknome: I'll get a main mail out tomorrow then re testing 21:10
knomeelfy, great21:10
elfyboth lists21:11
elfypossibly a good starting point with the other admin would be a 'flavour' based sticky - most of the talk in there is ubuntu - I'm sure the others would like some limelight too 21:12
elfyI'll try and get hold of the various other QA leads re that - but obviously I'm more interested in getting people to test for us :)21:13
knome:)21:14
* elfy has to have a fair head on over there :p21:14
elfyNoskcaj: I'll try and catch up with you on all this tomorrow - but I'm about to crash for the night now 21:15
lderangood night elfy21:16
knomenighty elfy and thanks :)21:16
elfyold man in the corner snoring :p21:16
elfynight all 21:16
Noskcajelfy, thanks, and good night21:16
Noskcajwhat happened in my absence? 21:18
knometo all participants, does this look accurate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5665789/ ?21:18
lderanyup21:19
pleia2yep21:22
* skellat states in the words of http://identi.ca/x11r5: "i r back"21:23
knomelderan, pleia2: ta :)21:23
knomewill send an email to the list with that shortly21:23
knomeskellat, we were able to cover pretty much half or even more of the agenda for all three blueprints21:24
skellat:-)21:24
knomei think we had beat the dev and milestone pretty much dead before the meeting already21:25
skellatWhich alpha, if any, are we doing?21:25
knomethat's still unclear; depends on xfce 4.12 schedule21:25
knomebut we "decided" to have one21:25
knomei mean... as offical as that gets with the project and testing leads :)21:26
skellatCool.  We'll probably need to ping Colin Watson & Adam Conrad prior to that session tomorrow.21:26
knomefor what? :)21:27
skellatLet them know our intentions21:27
skellatThough, then again, that's what that session is for come to think of it21:27
knomei though the *session* was for that discussion21:27
knomeand not even that really21:27
knomethat was just to set some ideas and set a date when we need to "decide" if it's anything like the last UDS21:27
skellatYeah.  It gets weird when you have a UDS session with no blueprint.21:27
knomedecide in quotes because during R, you could opt-out of something you had said you would opt-in, and the other way around21:28
knomeeven if people said "it's set in stone, you need to know now"21:28
skellatYep21:29
knomebut two betas it is21:29
skellatWhich is great21:29
knomeas long as we have testers with motivation that extends to all milestones, i'm ok with even all alphas.21:29
skellatThat goes to elfy and noskcaj to come up with21:30
skellatAnd I take it from the paste we've got docs fun coming up too21:30
knomeyup21:31
knomethe other thing i discussed with ochosi was to try to get the team test xubuntu too21:31
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skellatAll in all, how did you think the G+ session went?21:34
knomea bit slow at the start, but it got better21:37
knomeat latest when ochosi joined in21:37
knome;)21:37
skellatI look forward to reviewing the video in a bit21:41
skellatWhat's the agenda for night two then?21:41
knomecontinue on subjects that were left partly open and start discussing on the ones that we didn't cover yet :)21:42
skellatExcellent.21:42
skellatAt least I should be there for night two21:42
knomeyou can also check the paste.ubuntu.com link to have a quicker recap21:43
skellatIt'll be nice to put faces to the IRC nicks21:43
knomesure :)21:44
lderani didn't do much besides nodding :P21:44
knomei concentrated on speaking on top others at times21:44
skellatThat happened in the community roundtable with Jono when I wore my LoCo leader hat21:45
knomewho outspoke who?21:45
skellatJono and Jorge Castro took turns...and then I did cut off others at least once or twice21:46
knomeawwh.21:46
knomeback soon21:46
skellatLater21:47
knomei'm back.21:48
skellatOkay then.  I had to shoo the cat off the printer21:48
knomeheh21:49
knomei don't need to do that21:49
knomei don't have a car.21:49
knomenor printer.21:49
ochosicat!=car21:49
skellatochosi FTW!21:50
skellat:-)21:50
knomehaha!21:50
knomei don't have a car either.21:50
skellatWell, I gotta get figure out dinner.  I may or may not throw together a blog post later tonight.  As to packageset permissions...I'll leave that to tomorrow's round of discussions.21:53
* skellat wanders off to the kitchen21:53
knomebon appetit21:53
lderanim up for helping out as much as I can :D22:14
knomewith the dinner? me too22:18
knomepleia2, still around?22:21
GridCubeknome, as im the one proposing the consideration of development of HUD for xubuntu, and considering that i would very probably not be able to join tomorrow, do you want me to create a small rationalization for23:54
GridCubeit23:54
micahgGridCube: I'd suggest it being HUD for Xfce, not just Xubuntu23:55
knomeGridCube, yes please23:58
knomeGridCube, can be on the blueprint or elsewhere, as long as you link to it from the blueprint23:59

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