[17:09] <elfy> well I got laptop with mic - whether it works or not is another thing altogether
[17:19] <pleia2> I can't find the xubuntu sessions on the schedule, what am I doing wrong? :)
[17:19] <elfy> not reading the mail that says they've been removed :)
[17:20] <pleia2> x_x
[17:20] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008901.html
[17:20] <elfy> try that one :) 
[17:20] <elfy> doing it ourselves 
[17:20] <pleia2> I see
[17:53] <elfy> well - I installed what I thought was 13.04 on a laptop but was actually 13.10 ... 
[18:46] <Unit193> elfy: Haha!  Testing already then!
[18:46] <elfy> :)
[19:25] <GridCube> where will the meeting be held?
[19:26] <knome> G+
[19:26] <knome> and this channel
[19:28] <GridCube> will the video be streamed outside the g+?
[19:28] <GridCube> :)
[19:28] <knome> we will need to look at that.
[19:29] <GridCube> P: i dont have any sound anyway so never mind for me side
[19:29] <lderan> could stream the window to something like twitch.tv
[19:29] <knome> i would imagine it's not too hard to stream to youtube from G+, they are both google products..
[19:31] <GridCube> i've seen that done a few times
[19:31] <knome> yeah
[19:31] <knome>  You don't need special software to record your conversation. Every Hangout On Air is automatically saved to your YouTube account. 
[19:32] <lderan> ah thats cool
[19:32] <knome> we just need to make it "on air"
[19:33] <knome> overtime.
[19:33] <knome> be back shortly
[19:34] <knome> \o/
[19:34] <knome> finland wins
[19:35] <lderan> huzzah
[19:35] <knome> yay
[19:35] <knome> also won the group stage
[19:38] <elfy> that'll be good then :)
[19:39] <knome> yeah, will be facing slovaks again next
[19:41] <knome> does somebody have a verified youtube account?
[19:42] <elfy> what does that mean?
[19:42] <elfy> oh nvm - not even reading properly 
[19:42] <knome> i suppose you both need to have a youtube account and have verified it with an SMS
[19:42] <knome> "on air" requires one
[19:42] <elfy> read youtube as google ... 
[19:42] <knome> in most cases, you can...
[19:45] <elfy> I've done it, it seems
[19:45] <elfy> you can just use the google account to do it
[19:46] <knome> mhm, i suppose, as long as it is verified
[19:46] <knome> i get the option, but when i enable it, it tells me i need to verify...
[19:46] <knome> somebody who has done that should start the hangout then
[19:46] <elfy> yea - I did - sent it to the phone
[19:46] <knome> cool
[19:47] <elfy> not sure it'd be a good idea to do it from here though - interwebs can be dodgy
[19:47] <knome> mmh, let's see if other people have such setups as well
[19:47] <knome> so who's here for the first night of xubuntu?
[19:48] <elfy> I am - with voice if it works if not without :)
[19:48]  * drc would rather be at The Proms :)
[19:49] <lderan> i dont know how much i would be able to contribute :P
[19:49] <knome> lderan, doesn't matter
[19:49] <elfy> indeed not lderan - the first bit looks like gobbledygook to me :)
[19:50] <lderan> sounds good to me :P
[19:50] <Noskcaj> hello
[19:50] <elfy> hi Noskcaj 
[19:51] <lderan> Hellos
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, ochosi 
[19:53] <pleia2> knome
[19:53] <knome> <3
[19:53] <knome> Unit193, 
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, do you have a verified youtube account?
[19:53] <knome> pleia2, and can you make the meeting in whole?
[19:53] <pleia2> I have no idea
[19:53] <knome> haha. have you send an SMS to google?
[19:54] <knome> (or are you willing to)
[19:54] <knome> i'm not sure if i want to 1) enable the youtube side 2) send an SMS to google 
[19:54] <elfy> google to send you one ... 
[19:54] <knome> oh.
[19:54] <knome> then i don't want to send them my phone number
[19:54] <elfy> :)
[19:55] <knome> whatever it is they ask me to do, i don't want to do it!
[19:55] <knome> except if it involves me getting money
[19:55] <lderan> it takes a min or 2 for it to start streaming by the looks of it
[19:55] <knome> lderan, that's fine as long as we can record it :)
[19:56] <knome> so people who want to join the hangout and probably say things, tell us your google names or email addresses
[19:56] <elfy> elfyesq@gmail.com
[19:56] <Noskcaj> noskcaj@ubuntu.com or doak.jackson@gmail.com
[19:57] <lderan> beetyrootey@gmail.com
[19:58]  * pleia2 @gmail.com
[19:58] <knome> hihi
[19:58] <knome> <- pasi@shimmerproject.org
[19:58] <knome> pleia2, so.. can you make the whole session?
[19:58] <pleia2> yeah
[19:58] <knome> wooo
[19:59] <elfy> cool 
[19:59] <pleia2> except for when my grocery delivery arrives
[19:59] <pleia2> :)
[19:59] <knome> i'm thinking whether we should take meetingology notes
[19:59] <pleia2> but just like 5 minutes for that
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, that's fine, you can grab it
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, and we can look you eating
[19:59] <knome> :)
[19:59] <elfy> as long as you have cake 
[19:59] <knome> the cake is a lie
[19:59] <elfy> knome: meetingology might be good 
[19:59] <pleia2> lunch is after session ;)
[19:59] <knome> pleia2, so... what about that verified yt account?
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, if you have it, i think it would be best if you created the hangout
[20:00] <pleia2> I don't even know what that is
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, you need to send google your phone num
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, then insert the code you get to some input box
[20:00] <knome> and ta-dah!
[20:00] <Unit193> knome
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, then you can stream the hangout to your youtube account
[20:00] <knome> Unit193, woo :)
[20:01] <pleia2> k, let me try
[20:01] <knome> pleia2 <3
[20:01] <knome> it's been so.. empty without you here in the xubuntu universe 
[20:01] <knome> i'm not saying you're fat!
[20:01] <knome> (you're not!)
[20:02] <pleia2> ok, it's verified
[20:02] <pleia2> hahaha :P
[20:02] <knome> nice
[20:02] <pleia2> so I start the hangout and invite you all?
[20:02] <knome> now can you initiate a hangout with the email addresses above? :)
[20:02] <knome> yup
[20:02] <Unit193> I'm all hot and sweaty, so don't want to see me dripping right now. :P
[20:03] <knome> Unit193 <3
[20:03] <Unit193> Also, I may not be here long, sadly.
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, invite Unit193 disregarding what he says.
[20:04] <Noskcaj> i may have issues talking because it's 6am and everyone else is asleep, as i have no webcam and a mic hanging from my ear
[20:04] <knome> heh
[20:05] <elfy> Noskcaj: don't wake people up - I know what I'd say and everyone in the hangout would hear it :)
[20:05] <knome> heh
[20:05] <knome> elfy, does that concern me as well? (23 here...)
[20:06] <knome> (or 11pm)
[20:06] <elfy> yep - I'd shout at you as well :p
[20:06] <knome> you're not my mum!
[20:06] <elfy> as my lad knows only too well ... 
[20:06] <Unit193> elfy: Me too I'm sure, it's 1606 here.
[20:06] <pleia2> ok, it invited a bunch of people
[20:06] <knome> pleia2, just paste the link here
[20:06] <knome> pleia2, that should allow people to join
[20:06] <pleia2> http://youtu.be/lDZiuOmt-6Y
[20:06] <knome> because at least i can't see an invite..
[20:07] <pleia2> oh, other link
[20:07] <knome> hehe
[20:07] <knome> yeah..
[20:07] <pleia2> I don't know how to use this stupid thing
[20:07] <knome> but that's good as well
[20:07] <knome> just paste the url from the hangout window
[20:07]  * knome gets a sheet of paper for the mouse
[20:07] <pleia2> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c59caae1bd65acf7efbdf323a2c2e0b552989670?authuser=1&hl=en
[20:08] <pleia2> I'll hit start broadcast when we're all ready
[20:08]  * drc misses the old TV test patterns :)
[20:08] <pleia2> no knome voicey
[20:09] <knome> bling!
[20:09] <knome> nice doorbell
[20:10] <pleia2> broadcast should be at that youtube link now
[20:12] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305-dev
[20:14] <knome> elfy, you there?
[20:14] <pleia2> elfy: milestone releases topic
[20:14] <elfy> yea - no mic though
[20:15] <elfy> so you'll have to read me :)
[20:15] <knome> i am reading
[20:15] <elfy> that makes sense to me 
[20:16] <elfy> yea - we need a plan - obviously we have the release dates - whether we want to do them all or not 
[20:16] <elfy> which I guess we can discuss now
[20:16] <elfy> is it easier if I chat in the google window ?
[20:16] <knome> elfy, not really
[20:16] <elfy> k
[20:17] <elfy> well I'd be inclined to say do as many as we can - be more likelihood of getting people to do some then
[20:19] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, pcman seems to be doing it pretty much himself. :P  They are teaming up with razor-qt in areas.
[20:24] <GridCube> are you using meetingology ?
[20:24] <pleia2> no
[20:25] <knome> GridCube, see the youtube link
[20:25] <Unit193> Than there are the Ubuntu tools.  What used to be jockey, ubuntu one, etc.
[20:25] <GridCube> yes, i saw it, but i dont have sound
[20:25] <GridCube> so its pretty pointles
[20:26] <GridCube> sorry 'bout that
[20:36] <Unit193> I couldn't get the question.
[20:36] <Unit193> Mainbuntu is going with Mallard, Lubuntu may well go with it, don't know what K uses.
[20:38] <GridCube> what do we use? just wikified text?
[20:38] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/ ?
[20:38] <Unit193> GridCube: Docbook.
[20:39] <elfy> I can join in that - reviewing at least 
[20:39] <Unit193> Yeah, I've noticed a few problems.
[20:50] <Unit193> I'd like an option it it's config for fade or effects, but seems like it could be handy.
[20:55] <Unit193> I need to leave, I generally like it, but however.
[20:57] <elfy> thanks
[20:58] <knome> ta
[20:59] <pleia2> cool, youtube video is up immediately
[20:59] <pleia2> (same link as before)
[20:59] <elfy> excellent
[20:59] <knome> pleia2, yeah!
[20:59] <lderan> ooo cool
[21:02] <elfy> is there a uds meeting tomorrow that will have a bearing on which alpha/beta we want to test for?
[21:03] <knome> elfy, we can decide ourself which alphas/betas we opt-in
[21:03] <knome> i mean the biggest question is when is xfce 4.12 released
[21:03] <elfy> I thought we were going to do that today lol - but yea - I want to get cracking on trying to get interest in testing if I can
[21:04] <knome> well, yeah.
[21:04] <knome> we can decide something today
[21:04] <elfy> I'd 'imagined' a main mail - this is the plan, followed up with regular - 'this  is coming up' 'we'd really like this app tested' things 
[21:05] <elfy> cool - that'd be useful 
[21:05] <knome> i'm leaning towards alpha 2 or 3, but i'm fine with 1 as well.
[21:05] <elfy> just looking at the schedule 
[21:06] <knome> skellat noted that he'd like alpha 2
[21:06] <knome> i mean, that's pretty nice schedule-wise
[21:06] <elfy> 1 is a month away - so I'd assume there'd be a need - we can always backpedal a touch - and not remind when 1 is near 
[21:06] <knome> i agree with him that it leaves us good breathing space before the beta to fix bugs and stuff
[21:07] <knome> the current state of the testing team isn't so good though
[21:07] <elfy> nope
[21:07] <knome> i'm just worried that we might not have enough testers to make it worth the while
[21:07] <knome> ochosi, you still around?
[21:07] <mutzs> I'd like to help on the testing side
[21:07] <knome> mutzs, awesome!
[21:07] <elfy> mutzs: cool
[21:08] <elfy> knome: I'm going to talk to one of the FC admins - he's quite heavily involved in the forum +1 area - see if we can drum up some interest there
[21:08] <mutzs> i did some tests for the last Cycle and think it's the right thing for me
[21:08] <knome> elfy, nice
[21:09] <elfy> well we will have at least one extra - I'm here after being missing 
[21:09] <elfy> and every post I make there links to xubuntu/development - so every little helps
[21:09] <elfy> wb Noskcaj 
[21:10] <elfy> knome: I'll get a main mail out tomorrow then re testing 
[21:10] <knome> elfy, great
[21:11] <elfy> both lists
[21:12] <elfy> possibly a good starting point with the other admin would be a 'flavour' based sticky - most of the talk in there is ubuntu - I'm sure the others would like some limelight too 
[21:13] <elfy> I'll try and get hold of the various other QA leads re that - but obviously I'm more interested in getting people to test for us :)
[21:14] <knome> :)
[21:14]  * elfy has to have a fair head on over there :p
[21:15] <elfy> Noskcaj: I'll try and catch up with you on all this tomorrow - but I'm about to crash for the night now 
[21:16] <lderan> good night elfy
[21:16] <knome> nighty elfy and thanks :)
[21:16] <elfy> old man in the corner snoring :p
[21:16] <elfy> night all 
[21:16] <Noskcaj> elfy, thanks, and good night
[21:18] <Noskcaj> what happened in my absence? 
[21:18] <knome> to all participants, does this look accurate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5665789/ ?
[21:19] <lderan> yup
[21:22] <pleia2> yep
[21:23]  * skellat states in the words of http://identi.ca/x11r5: "i r back"
[21:23] <knome> lderan, pleia2: ta :)
[21:23] <knome> will send an email to the list with that shortly
[21:24] <knome> skellat, we were able to cover pretty much half or even more of the agenda for all three blueprints
[21:24] <skellat> :-)
[21:25] <knome> i think we had beat the dev and milestone pretty much dead before the meeting already
[21:25] <skellat> Which alpha, if any, are we doing?
[21:25] <knome> that's still unclear; depends on xfce 4.12 schedule
[21:25] <knome> but we "decided" to have one
[21:26] <knome> i mean... as offical as that gets with the project and testing leads :)
[21:26] <skellat> Cool.  We'll probably need to ping Colin Watson & Adam Conrad prior to that session tomorrow.
[21:27] <knome> for what? :)
[21:27] <skellat> Let them know our intentions
[21:27] <skellat> Though, then again, that's what that session is for come to think of it
[21:27] <knome> i though the *session* was for that discussion
[21:27] <knome> and not even that really
[21:27] <knome> that was just to set some ideas and set a date when we need to "decide" if it's anything like the last UDS
[21:27] <skellat> Yeah.  It gets weird when you have a UDS session with no blueprint.
[21:28] <knome> decide in quotes because during R, you could opt-out of something you had said you would opt-in, and the other way around
[21:28] <knome> even if people said "it's set in stone, you need to know now"
[21:29] <skellat> Yep
[21:29] <knome> but two betas it is
[21:29] <skellat> Which is great
[21:29] <knome> as long as we have testers with motivation that extends to all milestones, i'm ok with even all alphas.
[21:30] <skellat> That goes to elfy and noskcaj to come up with
[21:30] <skellat> And I take it from the paste we've got docs fun coming up too
[21:31] <knome> yup
[21:31] <knome> the other thing i discussed with ochosi was to try to get the team test xubuntu too
[21:34] <skellat> All in all, how did you think the G+ session went?
[21:37] <knome> a bit slow at the start, but it got better
[21:37] <knome> at latest when ochosi joined in
[21:37] <knome> ;)
[21:41] <skellat> I look forward to reviewing the video in a bit
[21:41] <skellat> What's the agenda for night two then?
[21:42] <knome> continue on subjects that were left partly open and start discussing on the ones that we didn't cover yet :)
[21:42] <skellat> Excellent.
[21:42] <skellat> At least I should be there for night two
[21:43] <knome> you can also check the paste.ubuntu.com link to have a quicker recap
[21:43] <skellat> It'll be nice to put faces to the IRC nicks
[21:44] <knome> sure :)
[21:44] <lderan> i didn't do much besides nodding :P
[21:44] <knome> i concentrated on speaking on top others at times
[21:45] <skellat> That happened in the community roundtable with Jono when I wore my LoCo leader hat
[21:45] <knome> who outspoke who?
[21:46] <skellat> Jono and Jorge Castro took turns...and then I did cut off others at least once or twice
[21:46] <knome> awwh.
[21:46] <knome> back soon
[21:47] <skellat> Later
[21:48] <knome> i'm back.
[21:48] <skellat> Okay then.  I had to shoo the cat off the printer
[21:49] <knome> heh
[21:49] <knome> i don't need to do that
[21:49] <knome> i don't have a car.
[21:49] <knome> nor printer.
[21:49] <ochosi> cat!=car
[21:50] <skellat> ochosi FTW!
[21:50] <skellat> :-)
[21:50] <knome> haha!
[21:50] <knome> i don't have a car either.
[21:53] <skellat> Well, I gotta get figure out dinner.  I may or may not throw together a blog post later tonight.  As to packageset permissions...I'll leave that to tomorrow's round of discussions.
[21:53]  * skellat wanders off to the kitchen
[21:53] <knome> bon appetit
[22:14] <lderan> im up for helping out as much as I can :D
[22:18] <knome> with the dinner? me too
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, still around?
[23:54] <GridCube> knome, as im the one proposing the consideration of development of HUD for xubuntu, and considering that i would very probably not be able to join tomorrow, do you want me to create a small rationalization for
[23:54] <GridCube> it
[23:55] <micahg> GridCube: I'd suggest it being HUD for Xfce, not just Xubuntu
[23:58] <knome> GridCube, yes please
[23:59] <knome> GridCube, can be on the blueprint or elsewhere, as long as you link to it from the blueprint