=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology === yofel_ is now known as yofel === gridcube_ is now known as GridCube [17:09] well I got laptop with mic - whether it works or not is another thing altogether [17:19] I can't find the xubuntu sessions on the schedule, what am I doing wrong? :) [17:19] not reading the mail that says they've been removed :) [17:20] x_x [17:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008901.html [17:20] try that one :) [17:20] doing it ourselves [17:20] I see [17:53] well - I installed what I thought was 13.04 on a laptop but was actually 13.10 ... [18:46] elfy: Haha! Testing already then! [18:46] :) [19:25] where will the meeting be held? [19:26] G+ [19:26] and this channel [19:28] will the video be streamed outside the g+? [19:28] :) [19:28] we will need to look at that. [19:29] P: i dont have any sound anyway so never mind for me side [19:29] could stream the window to something like twitch.tv [19:29] i would imagine it's not too hard to stream to youtube from G+, they are both google products.. [19:31] i've seen that done a few times [19:31] yeah [19:31] You don't need special software to record your conversation. Every Hangout On Air is automatically saved to your YouTube account. [19:32] ah thats cool [19:32] we just need to make it "on air" [19:33] overtime. [19:33] be back shortly [19:34] \o/ [19:34] finland wins [19:35] huzzah [19:35] yay [19:35] also won the group stage [19:38] that'll be good then :) [19:39] yeah, will be facing slovaks again next [19:41] does somebody have a verified youtube account? [19:42] what does that mean? [19:42] oh nvm - not even reading properly [19:42] i suppose you both need to have a youtube account and have verified it with an SMS [19:42] "on air" requires one [19:42] read youtube as google ... [19:42] in most cases, you can... [19:45] I've done it, it seems [19:45] you can just use the google account to do it [19:46] mhm, i suppose, as long as it is verified [19:46] i get the option, but when i enable it, it tells me i need to verify... [19:46] somebody who has done that should start the hangout then [19:46] yea - I did - sent it to the phone [19:46] cool [19:47] not sure it'd be a good idea to do it from here though - interwebs can be dodgy [19:47] mmh, let's see if other people have such setups as well [19:47] so who's here for the first night of xubuntu? [19:48] I am - with voice if it works if not without :) [19:48] * drc would rather be at The Proms :) [19:49] i dont know how much i would be able to contribute :P [19:49] lderan, doesn't matter [19:49] indeed not lderan - the first bit looks like gobbledygook to me :) [19:50] sounds good to me :P [19:50] hello [19:50] hi Noskcaj [19:51] Hellos [19:53] pleia2, ochosi [19:53] knome [19:53] <3 [19:53] Unit193, [19:53] pleia2, do you have a verified youtube account? [19:53] pleia2, and can you make the meeting in whole? [19:53] I have no idea [19:53] haha. have you send an SMS to google? [19:54] (or are you willing to) [19:54] i'm not sure if i want to 1) enable the youtube side 2) send an SMS to google [19:54] google to send you one ... [19:54] oh. [19:54] then i don't want to send them my phone number [19:54] :) [19:55] whatever it is they ask me to do, i don't want to do it! [19:55] except if it involves me getting money [19:55] it takes a min or 2 for it to start streaming by the looks of it [19:55] lderan, that's fine as long as we can record it :) [19:56] so people who want to join the hangout and probably say things, tell us your google names or email addresses [19:56] elfyesq@gmail.com [19:56] noskcaj@ubuntu.com or doak.jackson@gmail.com [19:57] beetyrootey@gmail.com [19:58] * pleia2 @gmail.com [19:58] hihi [19:58] <- pasi@shimmerproject.org [19:58] pleia2, so.. can you make the whole session? [19:58] yeah [19:58] wooo [19:59] cool [19:59] except for when my grocery delivery arrives [19:59] :) [19:59] i'm thinking whether we should take meetingology notes [19:59] but just like 5 minutes for that [19:59] pleia2, that's fine, you can grab it [19:59] pleia2, and we can look you eating [19:59] :) [19:59] as long as you have cake [19:59] the cake is a lie [19:59] knome: meetingology might be good [19:59] lunch is after session ;) [19:59] pleia2, so... what about that verified yt account? [20:00] pleia2, if you have it, i think it would be best if you created the hangout [20:00] I don't even know what that is [20:00] pleia2, you need to send google your phone num [20:00] pleia2, then insert the code you get to some input box [20:00] and ta-dah! [20:00] knome [20:00] pleia2, then you can stream the hangout to your youtube account [20:00] Unit193, woo :) [20:01] k, let me try [20:01] pleia2 <3 [20:01] it's been so.. empty without you here in the xubuntu universe [20:01] i'm not saying you're fat! [20:01] (you're not!) [20:02] ok, it's verified [20:02] hahaha :P [20:02] nice [20:02] so I start the hangout and invite you all? [20:02] now can you initiate a hangout with the email addresses above? :) [20:02] yup [20:02] I'm all hot and sweaty, so don't want to see me dripping right now. :P [20:03] Unit193 <3 [20:03] Also, I may not be here long, sadly. [20:04] pleia2, invite Unit193 disregarding what he says. [20:04] i may have issues talking because it's 6am and everyone else is asleep, as i have no webcam and a mic hanging from my ear [20:04] heh [20:05] Noskcaj: don't wake people up - I know what I'd say and everyone in the hangout would hear it :) [20:05] heh [20:05] elfy, does that concern me as well? (23 here...) [20:06] (or 11pm) [20:06] yep - I'd shout at you as well :p [20:06] you're not my mum! === lsdma is now known as lsdma_ [20:06] as my lad knows only too well ... [20:06] elfy: Me too I'm sure, it's 1606 here. [20:06] ok, it invited a bunch of people [20:06] pleia2, just paste the link here [20:06] pleia2, that should allow people to join [20:06] http://youtu.be/lDZiuOmt-6Y [20:06] because at least i can't see an invite.. [20:07] oh, other link [20:07] hehe [20:07] yeah.. [20:07] I don't know how to use this stupid thing [20:07] but that's good as well [20:07] just paste the url from the hangout window [20:07] * knome gets a sheet of paper for the mouse [20:07] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c59caae1bd65acf7efbdf323a2c2e0b552989670?authuser=1&hl=en [20:08] I'll hit start broadcast when we're all ready [20:08] * drc misses the old TV test patterns :) [20:08] no knome voicey [20:09] bling! [20:09] nice doorbell === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit === lsdma_ is now known as mutzs [20:10] broadcast should be at that youtube link now [20:12] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305-dev [20:14] elfy, you there? [20:14] elfy: milestone releases topic [20:14] yea - no mic though [20:15] so you'll have to read me :) [20:15] i am reading [20:15] that makes sense to me [20:16] yea - we need a plan - obviously we have the release dates - whether we want to do them all or not [20:16] which I guess we can discuss now [20:16] is it easier if I chat in the google window ? [20:16] elfy, not really [20:16] k [20:17] well I'd be inclined to say do as many as we can - be more likelihood of getting people to do some then [20:19] knome: Yeah, pcman seems to be doing it pretty much himself. :P They are teaming up with razor-qt in areas. [20:24] are you using meetingology ? [20:24] no [20:25] GridCube, see the youtube link [20:25] Than there are the Ubuntu tools. What used to be jockey, ubuntu one, etc. [20:25] yes, i saw it, but i dont have sound [20:25] so its pretty pointles [20:26] sorry 'bout that [20:36] I couldn't get the question. [20:36] Mainbuntu is going with Mallard, Lubuntu may well go with it, don't know what K uses. [20:38] what do we use? just wikified text? [20:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/ ? [20:38] GridCube: Docbook. [20:39] I can join in that - reviewing at least [20:39] Yeah, I've noticed a few problems. [20:50] I'd like an option it it's config for fade or effects, but seems like it could be handy. [20:55] I need to leave, I generally like it, but however. [20:57] thanks [20:58] ta [20:59] cool, youtube video is up immediately [20:59] (same link as before) [20:59] excellent [20:59] pleia2, yeah! [20:59] ooo cool [21:02] is there a uds meeting tomorrow that will have a bearing on which alpha/beta we want to test for? [21:03] elfy, we can decide ourself which alphas/betas we opt-in [21:03] i mean the biggest question is when is xfce 4.12 released [21:03] I thought we were going to do that today lol - but yea - I want to get cracking on trying to get interest in testing if I can [21:04] well, yeah. [21:04] we can decide something today [21:04] I'd 'imagined' a main mail - this is the plan, followed up with regular - 'this is coming up' 'we'd really like this app tested' things [21:05] cool - that'd be useful [21:05] i'm leaning towards alpha 2 or 3, but i'm fine with 1 as well. [21:05] just looking at the schedule [21:06] skellat noted that he'd like alpha 2 [21:06] i mean, that's pretty nice schedule-wise [21:06] 1 is a month away - so I'd assume there'd be a need - we can always backpedal a touch - and not remind when 1 is near [21:06] i agree with him that it leaves us good breathing space before the beta to fix bugs and stuff [21:07] the current state of the testing team isn't so good though [21:07] nope [21:07] i'm just worried that we might not have enough testers to make it worth the while [21:07] ochosi, you still around? [21:07] I'd like to help on the testing side [21:07] mutzs, awesome! [21:07] mutzs: cool [21:08] knome: I'm going to talk to one of the FC admins - he's quite heavily involved in the forum +1 area - see if we can drum up some interest there [21:08] i did some tests for the last Cycle and think it's the right thing for me [21:08] elfy, nice [21:09] well we will have at least one extra - I'm here after being missing [21:09] and every post I make there links to xubuntu/development - so every little helps [21:09] wb Noskcaj [21:10] knome: I'll get a main mail out tomorrow then re testing [21:10] elfy, great [21:11] both lists [21:12] possibly a good starting point with the other admin would be a 'flavour' based sticky - most of the talk in there is ubuntu - I'm sure the others would like some limelight too [21:13] I'll try and get hold of the various other QA leads re that - but obviously I'm more interested in getting people to test for us :) [21:14] :) [21:14] * elfy has to have a fair head on over there :p [21:15] Noskcaj: I'll try and catch up with you on all this tomorrow - but I'm about to crash for the night now [21:16] good night elfy [21:16] nighty elfy and thanks :) [21:16] old man in the corner snoring :p [21:16] night all [21:16] elfy, thanks, and good night [21:18] what happened in my absence? [21:18] to all participants, does this look accurate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5665789/ ? [21:19] yup [21:22] yep [21:23] * skellat states in the words of http://identi.ca/x11r5: "i r back" [21:23] lderan, pleia2: ta :) [21:23] will send an email to the list with that shortly [21:24] skellat, we were able to cover pretty much half or even more of the agenda for all three blueprints [21:24] :-) [21:25] i think we had beat the dev and milestone pretty much dead before the meeting already [21:25] Which alpha, if any, are we doing? [21:25] that's still unclear; depends on xfce 4.12 schedule [21:25] but we "decided" to have one [21:26] i mean... as offical as that gets with the project and testing leads :) [21:26] Cool. We'll probably need to ping Colin Watson & Adam Conrad prior to that session tomorrow. [21:27] for what? :) [21:27] Let them know our intentions [21:27] Though, then again, that's what that session is for come to think of it [21:27] i though the *session* was for that discussion [21:27] and not even that really [21:27] that was just to set some ideas and set a date when we need to "decide" if it's anything like the last UDS [21:27] Yeah. It gets weird when you have a UDS session with no blueprint. [21:28] decide in quotes because during R, you could opt-out of something you had said you would opt-in, and the other way around [21:28] even if people said "it's set in stone, you need to know now" [21:29] Yep [21:29] but two betas it is [21:29] Which is great [21:29] as long as we have testers with motivation that extends to all milestones, i'm ok with even all alphas. [21:30] That goes to elfy and noskcaj to come up with [21:30] And I take it from the paste we've got docs fun coming up too [21:31] yup [21:31] the other thing i discussed with ochosi was to try to get the team test xubuntu too === mutzs is now known as lsdma === lsdma is now known as mutzs [21:34] All in all, how did you think the G+ session went? [21:37] a bit slow at the start, but it got better [21:37] at latest when ochosi joined in [21:37] ;) [21:41] I look forward to reviewing the video in a bit [21:41] What's the agenda for night two then? [21:42] continue on subjects that were left partly open and start discussing on the ones that we didn't cover yet :) [21:42] Excellent. [21:42] At least I should be there for night two [21:43] you can also check the paste.ubuntu.com link to have a quicker recap [21:43] It'll be nice to put faces to the IRC nicks [21:44] sure :) [21:44] i didn't do much besides nodding :P [21:44] i concentrated on speaking on top others at times [21:45] That happened in the community roundtable with Jono when I wore my LoCo leader hat [21:45] who outspoke who? [21:46] Jono and Jorge Castro took turns...and then I did cut off others at least once or twice [21:46] awwh. [21:46] back soon [21:47] Later [21:48] i'm back. [21:48] Okay then. I had to shoo the cat off the printer [21:49] heh [21:49] i don't need to do that [21:49] i don't have a car. [21:49] nor printer. [21:49] cat!=car [21:50] ochosi FTW! [21:50] :-) [21:50] haha! [21:50] i don't have a car either. [21:53] Well, I gotta get figure out dinner. I may or may not throw together a blog post later tonight. As to packageset permissions...I'll leave that to tomorrow's round of discussions. [21:53] * skellat wanders off to the kitchen [21:53] bon appetit [22:14] im up for helping out as much as I can :D [22:18] with the dinner? me too [22:21] pleia2, still around? [23:54] knome, as im the one proposing the consideration of development of HUD for xubuntu, and considering that i would very probably not be able to join tomorrow, do you want me to create a small rationalization for [23:54] it [23:55] GridCube: I'd suggest it being HUD for Xfce, not just Xubuntu [23:58] GridCube, yes please [23:59] GridCube, can be on the blueprint or elsewhere, as long as you link to it from the blueprint