[00:26] valorie: [00:30] I agree with apachelogger it would be cool to have it on the KDE sites. [00:31] stupid time zones [00:51] valorie: also it looks like there is a export part of moinmoin [01:58] ahoneybun: have what on the kde sites? [01:58] the docs [01:59] like on Userbase? [01:59] hmmm [01:59] I doubt other distros do that, but that doesn't mean we couldn't [01:59] I have no clue what the policy is on that [02:00] I know, yes I am sane btw ;) [02:04] ? [05:04] debfx: hi! answered to the bug report. in summary, your proposals seem good to me, but we'd need to get into agreement with Debian so that we won't diverge. [05:42] apachelogger: Thanks. [05:43] Would someone please verify Bug #1177781 as it's almost old enough to be released to updates once verified. [05:43] bug 1177781 in amarok (Ubuntu Raring) "QtWebKit causes crash in Amarok" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177781 [06:03] godd morning === jussi01 is now known as jussi === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [11:43] howdy all === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:52] Hiho BluesKaj [11:53] hiya soee === Adityab_ is now known as Adityab === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [12:29] FYI here's my Qt 5.0.2 saucy plan, which I hope to start executing latest next week http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5666894/ [12:41] Mirv: even though it doesnt "touch" me, thanks for sharing - its really nice to have these things discussed. === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [13:34] yay new colibri release, thanks agateau [13:34] \o/ [13:34] debfx: you're welcome [13:50] Mirv: what does BP stand for? [13:51] Riddell: Blueprints? === dpm_ is now known as dpm-uds [13:53] Riddell: it reads at the bottom, a short-hand for qt5-beta-proper PPA where I've been doing test builds [13:53] well wget from upstream directory welcome as well [13:54] what would be the best way to start with developing some plasmoids ? [13:55] Mirv: how come qtwebkit is in a different bzr place? [13:55] Riddell: we've currently one patch that would need rebasing to 5.0.2, so meanwhile 5.0.1 upload would be wanted to be done first [13:55] soee: learn QML and get inspiration from existing ones and tutorials? I expect there's stuff on techbase but ask in #plasma for info [13:55] (the big patch that will go away once 5.1 gets released) [13:56] the ~kubuntu-packagers qtwebkit branch is already at 5.0.2, but I wouldn't want to revert there if this's just temporary [13:57] probably it's better to push it into ~kubuntu-packagers anyhow so I'll do that, but that's the current location [14:00] ok whatever's easiest then [15:06] txwikinger: ping? [15:06] anyone coming to the hangout? [15:06] xnox? [15:07] Riddell: i'm waiting for it to start. [15:07] * xnox watching from a library. [15:07] it has not started yet. [15:30] apachelogger: ping? [15:31] Riddell: When will a mumble session happen? [15:31] smartboyhw: looks like monday has a common time, will send that out shortly [15:32] Riddell: Sure [15:32] Probably can't come though (Biology test) [15:44] conclusion of uefi/sb chat was going to switch to signed kernel which is obvious thing that's missing [15:44] and backport the enablement stack [15:44] colin was good enough to take work items for those [15:45] as well as one for the plymouth not being set up issue [15:45] lovely [15:45] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-kubuntu-and-uefi-and-lts-backports [15:45] :) [16:18] Good afternoon. [16:47] Mirv: ooh 5.1 beta is out http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/05/14/qt-5-1-beta-released/ is that in your plans? [17:26] ::workspace-bugs:: [1180470] "Window title" text box disabled in Window-Specific Settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180470 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal) [17:38] Darkwing: ping [17:38] superfly: Poong [17:38] pong [17:39] Darkwing: I am the KMail moaner who conversed with you on G+ today :-) [17:39] ahhhh hah. [17:39] Give me a few. [17:39] :) [17:39] no worries, I need to get my things together, and then I'll mail them to you. Just wanted to touch base in IRC [17:40] I'm always logged on... I may not always be here but drop a message and I'll get it. [17:40] yeah, same here. [17:40] quassel-core FTW [17:40] precisely :-D [17:42] I'm watching Google I/O keynotes [17:42] I wondered :-) [17:42] I have children to keep me occupied [17:42] LOL Yeah, I'm a big Google guy on top of my Linux/KDE stuff. [18:14] Darkwing: === Adityab_ is now known as Adityab [18:30] ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] Window Managers instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar) [18:39] Riddell: Is Kubuntu docs still dead? Someone had mentioned the other day that they were going to revive it but were having a UDS session on doc today and I wanted to know what the status was going into that [18:40] bkerensa: me and valorie are moving it and editing it to a wiki [18:40] ahoneybun: will it be coming back to the repo at somepoint or just wiki based? [18:41] not sure, valorie wants to have it on both [18:42] kk [18:42] still a work in progress [18:43] bkerensa: want to see? [18:44] ahoneybun: maybe in a bit I have to get a agenda for the doc session together here [18:44] oh thats more important for sure np [18:45] I want to be in that session [18:49] bkerensa: I was trying to make my own branch on lp for my changes to the docs [21:09] bkerensa: ? [21:19] ahoneybun: did you attend the vUDS doc session? [21:20] yea I was there [21:20] cool [21:20] kinda I was a bit late [21:20] oh well [21:20] it's all available by video [21:20] yea I know but being there is better [21:20] but it's great to get our voices heard [21:21] yea [21:21] I went to two: the community link session, and u-w planning [21:21] I wish there were more of us in this [21:21] yea the women in ubuntu thing [21:21] btw [21:22] I'll email the list and elicit feedback about how many attended, and thoughts [21:22] I got my changes to the kubuntu-docs pushed to my personal branch [21:22] https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring [21:22] how did you do that? [21:22] hand-make the changes? [21:22] idk really [21:23] its bad kinda cuz I did not write where I made them [21:23] ... [21:23] did you import from the wiki, or edit what was already there/ [21:23] I really want to eliminate trying to edit in two places [21:24] because all those damn typos will stick around that way [21:24] and other cruft [21:24] well it is the original DocBook on my branch [21:24] I think it would have been better to fix up the DocBook and then import the xml files [21:24] thinking now [21:25] the most changes on my branch is the images are updated about 75% [21:28] that's cool [21:28] I'll be on later you can see the branch and email the changes I need to make [21:28] but that means all the typos we fixed are probably still in your branch [21:28] etc. [21:28] which -- that's what drives me insane [21:29] we've done the work, but don't have the process fixed yet [22:11] And we have a bugfix version out: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.7.1 [22:13] Mamarok: Praise the gods! [22:13] hoorah [22:13] kubotu: newversion amarok 2.7.1 [22:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180576 [22:15] Maybe now it won't crash so much. [22:18] jessie: still needs packaged, fancy taking that up? [22:18] ... I have no idea how to do that. But sure! [22:19] Quintasan: your kdeplasma-addons merge doesn't like kamoso: plasma-runners-addons : Breaks: kamoso (< 2.0.2+) but 2.0.2-1ubuntu3 is installed. [22:19] what debian did there looks rather fishy though... [22:19] jessie: if you have a spare hour or so I can take you through it [22:19] Yeah, I should be able to spend ~1 hour or so. [22:19] jessie: what's your launchpad id? [22:20] JessieAMorris [22:21] ok setting up the ec2 [22:21] Creating a fresh install of Kubuntu? [22:23] yep, in the cloud [22:23] Mkay, sounds good. Is that common to build packages? Should I have a VM set up for building packages? [22:24] that's probably a bit much, you can use debootstrap to make a chroot [22:25] Eh, but I'm generally on beta-alpha type packages. ha [22:25] jessie: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-224-94-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com [22:25] jessie: then run byobu [22:26] jessie: type something [22:26] cool :) [22:26] jessie: ok make a directoy to get the old source and apt-get source amarok [22:28] jessie: you have sudo [22:28] run an apt-get update I think [22:29] jessie: ah the amazon mirror isn't updated for saucy [22:29] jessie: remove us-east-1.ec2. from the sources.list [22:30] jessie: no no, that just removed them all [22:30] jessie: change us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com [22:34] Riddell: Mkay, now what? [22:35] jessie: in the first directoy download the new amarok tar [22:36] jessie: the tar needs a very paticular name [22:36] rename it to amarok_2.7.1.orig.tar.bz2 [22:37] jessie: untar it [22:37] and copy the debian/ directory from the old version into it [22:38] jessie: wee tip, you can avoid the "j" from tar arguments these days [22:38] it's smart enough to work that out [22:38] Oh, nice. That's good to know. [22:39] jessie: dch -i will add a new changelog entry [22:39] fix the template to have the right version no and your name/email [22:41] Riddell: What other info should I put in the changelog? [22:41] jessie: you can change unreleased to saucy [22:41] groovy [22:41] it's ready to compile [22:41] run debuild [22:42] jessie: oh hang on [22:42] jessie: the version number inthe changelog isn't right [22:42] edit debian/changelog and fix it [22:42] should be 2.7.1-0ubuntu1 [22:42] What's the 2: in front about? [22:43] 2:2.7.1-0... [22:43] ? [22:43] jessie: that means someone screwed up the version number at some point [22:43] since new packages always need a larger version than the previous version [22:43] Ahhh... That makes sense. [22:43] so it get a number called the epoch infront of it to reset it [22:43] that someone might have been me back when I was new to this game [22:44] ah,patch [22:44] jessie: let me look at this [22:45] with a real editor! [22:45] Lmao, an Emacs fan, eh!? [22:49] jessie: ok that's them updated [22:49] jessie: debuild away [22:50] jessie: install pbuilder [22:50] and run /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends [22:50] jessie: oh install aptitude too [22:52] Riddell: I take it the fake backend is fine for building? [22:53] jessie: yeah [22:55] jessie: lovely, time for a cup of tea [22:56] Something something, XKCD link. [22:57] So this is what using Gentoo is like? :-P [22:57] yeah pretty much :) [23:03] hmm maybe I should have started a faster ec2 [23:06] So, while we're waiting, it seems everyone here prefers Quassel over Konversation. Why? [23:07] it's installed by default for historical reasons [23:08] it can be run on a server to keep your connection permanantly [23:08] personally I use irssi [23:08] Oh, that's a big plus. [23:10] konversation <3 [23:11] so not *everyone* [23:11] KDE provides a nice bnc [23:11] valorie: Agreed. Though I do wish that the SASL authentication stuff would get moved into a package. [23:11] I thought that was done? [23:12] I like text logs [23:12] Maybe? I had to install from git for 13.04 [23:12] no way I'm going to use a db to search online [23:12] our 13.04 package was made from git [23:12] Konversation [23:13] Hmmm... Maybe in 13.04 I finally didn't have to install from git. [23:13] Version 1.5-branch #4215 [23:14] I have no problem with quassel being available, but feel we should be using KDE packages by default === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Kubuntu Council election: Voting in progress | saucy meeting Monday 15:00UTC [23:16] saucy meeting Monday 15:00UTC [23:19] valorie: [23:20] Riddell: I tested mumble on this puter last night and I get shrieking [23:21] I'll keep trying though [23:21] back [23:22] valorie: hum, I've not tested it recently [23:23] last time I couldn't participate because it didn't work for me, but this is a different computer [23:24] valorie: only issue is that I don't know how to put my changes from the wiki into the docbook [23:24] ahoneybun: yes, that is THE issue [23:24] Riddell: You weren't kidding about this instance being slow. What is it, a Micro instance? [23:24] you sound upset [23:24] we'll have to figure that out for this to be a success, really [23:24] no, it's just a problem we haven't solved yet [23:25] most problems are solvable [23:25] we'll do it [23:25] I thought I could copy and paste but its a bit more if a process [23:25] and we have 4 months or so [23:25] jessie: a small one [23:26] valorie: that neither of us can write docbook? [23:26] its just the &subject things that mess with me [23:26] it's just xml [23:26] like &linux [23:27] I actually prefer xml to moinmoin markup [23:27] lol [23:27] Riddell: I have to go home and work on my car now. If I don't the wife is going to kill me. :-/ [23:27] but moinmoin look like plain text to me [23:27] because I'm used to writing html by hand [23:27] jessie: ok, ping me tomorrow or anytime to finish this [23:27] jessie: thanks for starting it [23:27] Riddell: Yeah, thanks for helping me learn. We'll see you tomorrow. [23:28] Riddell: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Mumble+meeting&iso=20130520T15&p1=1440&am=45 [23:28] yea I know I'm a bit used to that as well [23:31] valorie: what does the words in yellow mean? with the & in front? [23:31] what words in yellow? [23:31] not sure where you are looking [23:31] well in kate they are yellow [23:31] the xml [23:31] oh, that might be kate doing that [23:31] yea [23:33] valorie: [23:33] valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnXmlPages [23:34] moinmoin can render docbook pages [23:35] but can it go the other way? [23:35] I know it's possible, but can WE do it? [23:36] I'll see about it on for the welcome page first [23:37] well the tool Python4Suite is dead [23:37] because it would be great to have our wiki version always 'in work' for the next release [23:37] and then be able to output html pages for the website, and docbook for the release [23:38] yea I know [23:38] one wiki to rule them all [23:38] but like I said, we have a while to figure this out [23:38] that would be cool] [23:39] the sooner the better for the webpages [23:39] it would be good to have someone work on the kde help center, so all the docs displayed right [23:40] the kde doc team is really cool [23:41] oj [23:41] oh [23:48] valorie: http://wiki.tldp.org/ this wiki has the function [23:48] \o/ [23:48] can we move it there? [23:48] or make a copy and then export? [23:49] dinnertime here now -- I'll be back in about 4 hours, since it's my night with my daddy [23:49] ok I'll be on [23:49] what should I do [23:49] ahoneybun: might be a good thing to discuss at the mumble meeting? [23:49] when is that? [23:49] Monday [23:49] time? [23:50] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Mumble+meeting&iso=20130520T15&p1=1440&am=45 [23:50] :-) [23:50] I'm at work [23:50] can you talk about it there for me? [23:52] Riddell: