[00:26] <ahoneybun> valorie: 
[00:30] <ahoneybun> I agree with apachelogger it would be cool to have it on the KDE sites.
[00:31] <ahoneybun> stupid time zones
[00:51] <ahoneybun> valorie: also it looks like there is a export part of moinmoin
[01:58] <valorie> ahoneybun: have what on the kde sites?
[01:58] <ahoneybun> the docs
[01:59] <valorie> like on Userbase?
[01:59] <valorie> hmmm
[01:59] <valorie> I doubt other distros do that, but that doesn't mean we couldn't
[01:59] <valorie> I have no clue what the policy is on that
[02:00] <ahoneybun> I know, yes I am sane btw ;)
[02:04] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:04] <Mirv> debfx: hi! answered to the bug report. in summary, your proposals seem good to me, but we'd need to get into agreement with Debian so that we won't diverge.
[05:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[05:43] <ScottK> Would someone please verify Bug #1177781 as it's almost old enough to be released to updates once verified.
[06:03] <soee> godd morning
[11:43] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:52] <soee> Hiho BluesKaj 
[11:53] <BluesKaj> hiya soee
[12:29] <Mirv> FYI here's my Qt 5.0.2 saucy plan, which I hope to start executing latest next week http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5666894/
[12:41] <jussi> Mirv: even though it doesnt "touch" me, thanks for sharing - its really nice to have these things discussed. 
[13:34] <debfx> yay new colibri release, thanks agateau
[13:34] <smartboyhw_> \o/
[13:34] <agateau> debfx: you're welcome
[13:50] <Riddell> Mirv: what does BP stand for?
[13:51] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Blueprints?
[13:53] <Mirv> Riddell: it reads at the bottom, a short-hand for qt5-beta-proper PPA where I've been doing test builds
[13:53] <Mirv> well wget from upstream directory welcome as well
[13:54] <soee> what would be the best way to start with developing some plasmoids ?
[13:55] <Riddell> Mirv: how come qtwebkit is in a different bzr place?
[13:55] <Mirv> Riddell: we've currently one patch that would need rebasing to 5.0.2, so meanwhile 5.0.1 upload would be wanted to be done first
[13:55] <Riddell> soee: learn QML and get inspiration from existing ones and tutorials? I expect there's stuff on techbase but ask in #plasma for info
[13:55] <Mirv> (the big patch that will go away once 5.1 gets released)
[13:56] <Mirv> the ~kubuntu-packagers qtwebkit branch is already at 5.0.2, but I wouldn't want to revert there if this's just temporary
[13:57] <Mirv> probably it's better to push it into ~kubuntu-packagers anyhow so I'll do that, but that's the current location
[14:00] <Riddell> ok whatever's easiest then
[15:06] <Riddell> txwikinger: ping?
[15:06] <Riddell> anyone coming to the hangout?
[15:06] <Riddell> xnox?
[15:07] <xnox> Riddell: i'm waiting for it to start.
[15:07]  * xnox watching from a library.
[15:07] <xnox> it has not started yet.
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell: When will a mumble session happen?
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: looks like monday has a common time, will send that out shortly
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Sure
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Probably can't come though (Biology test)
[15:44] <Riddell> conclusion of uefi/sb chat was going to switch to signed kernel which is obvious thing that's missing
[15:44] <Riddell> and backport the enablement stack
[15:44] <Riddell> colin was good enough to take work items for those
[15:45] <Riddell> as well as one for the plymouth not being set up issue
[15:45] <Riddell> lovely
[15:45] <Riddell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-kubuntu-and-uefi-and-lts-backports
[15:45] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:18] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:47] <Riddell> Mirv: ooh 5.1 beta is out http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/05/14/qt-5-1-beta-released/  is that in your plans?
[17:26] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1180470] "Window title" text box disabled in Window-Specific Settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180470 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal)
[17:38] <superfly> Darkwing: ping
[17:38] <Darkwing> superfly: Poong
[17:38] <Darkwing> pong
[17:39] <superfly> Darkwing: I am the KMail moaner who conversed with you on G+ today :-)
[17:39] <Darkwing> ahhhh hah.
[17:39] <Darkwing> Give me a few.
[17:39] <Darkwing> :)
[17:39] <superfly> no worries, I need to get my things together, and then I'll mail them to you. Just wanted to touch base in IRC
[17:40] <Darkwing> I'm always logged on... I may not always be here but drop a message and I'll get it.
[17:40] <superfly> yeah, same here.
[17:40] <Darkwing> quassel-core FTW
[17:40] <superfly> precisely :-D
[17:42] <Darkwing> I'm watching Google I/O keynotes
[17:42] <superfly> I wondered :-)
[17:42] <superfly> I have children to keep me occupied
[17:42] <Darkwing> LOL Yeah, I'm a big Google guy on top of my Linux/KDE stuff.
[18:14] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: 
[18:30] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] Window Managers instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[18:39] <bkerensa> Riddell: Is Kubuntu docs still dead? Someone had mentioned the other day that they were going to revive it but were having a UDS session on doc today and I wanted to know what the status was going into that
[18:40] <ahoneybun> bkerensa: me and valorie are moving it and editing it to a wiki
[18:40] <bkerensa> ahoneybun: will it be coming back to the repo at somepoint or just wiki based?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> not sure, valorie wants to have it on both
[18:42] <bkerensa> kk
[18:42] <ahoneybun> still a work in progress
[18:43] <ahoneybun> bkerensa: want to see?
[18:44] <bkerensa> ahoneybun: maybe in a bit I have to get a agenda for the doc session together here
[18:44] <ahoneybun> oh thats more important for sure np
[18:45] <ahoneybun> I want to be in that session
[18:49] <ahoneybun> bkerensa: I was trying to make my own branch on lp for my changes to the docs
[21:09] <ahoneybun> bkerensa: ?
[21:19] <valorie> ahoneybun: did you attend the vUDS doc session?
[21:20] <ahoneybun> yea I was there
[21:20] <valorie> cool
[21:20] <ahoneybun> kinda I was a bit late
[21:20] <valorie> oh well
[21:20] <valorie> it's all available by video
[21:20] <ahoneybun> yea I know but being there is better
[21:20] <valorie> but it's great to get our voices heard
[21:21] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:21] <valorie> I went to two: the community link session, and u-w planning
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I wish there were more of us in this
[21:21] <ahoneybun> yea the women in ubuntu thing
[21:21] <ahoneybun> btw
[21:22] <valorie> I'll email the list and elicit feedback about how many attended, and thoughts
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I got my changes to the kubuntu-docs pushed to my personal branch
[21:22] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring
[21:22] <valorie> how did you do that?
[21:22] <valorie> hand-make the changes?
[21:22] <ahoneybun> idk really
[21:23] <ahoneybun> its bad kinda cuz I did not write where I made them
[21:23] <ahoneybun> ...
[21:23] <valorie> did you import from the wiki, or edit what was already there/
[21:23] <valorie> I really want to eliminate trying to edit in two places
[21:24] <valorie> because all those damn typos will stick around that way
[21:24] <valorie> and other cruft
[21:24] <ahoneybun> well it is the original DocBook on my branch
[21:24] <ahoneybun> I think it would have been better to fix up the DocBook and then import the xml files
[21:24] <ahoneybun> thinking now
[21:25] <ahoneybun> the most changes on my branch is the images are updated about 75%
[21:28] <valorie> that's cool
[21:28] <ahoneybun> I'll be on later you can see the branch and email the changes I need to make
[21:28] <valorie> but that means all the typos we fixed are probably still in your branch
[21:28] <valorie> etc.
[21:28] <valorie> which -- that's what drives me insane
[21:29] <valorie> we've done the work, but don't have the process fixed yet
[22:11] <Mamarok> And we have a bugfix version out: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.7.1
[22:13] <jessie> Mamarok: Praise the gods!
[22:13] <Riddell> hoorah
[22:13] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion amarok 2.7.1
[22:14] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180576
[22:15] <jessie> Maybe now it won't crash so much.
[22:18] <Riddell> jessie: still needs packaged, fancy taking that up?
[22:18] <jessie> ... I have no idea how to do that. But sure!
[22:19] <yofel> Quintasan: your kdeplasma-addons merge doesn't like kamoso:  plasma-runners-addons : Breaks: kamoso (< 2.0.2+) but 2.0.2-1ubuntu3 is installed.
[22:19] <yofel> what debian did there looks rather fishy though...
[22:19] <Riddell> jessie: if you have a spare hour or so I can take you through it
[22:19] <jessie> Yeah, I should be able to spend ~1 hour or so.
[22:19] <Riddell> jessie: what's your launchpad id?
[22:20] <jessie> JessieAMorris
[22:21] <Riddell> ok setting up the ec2
[22:21] <jessie> Creating a fresh install of Kubuntu?
[22:23] <Riddell> yep, in the cloud
[22:23] <jessie> Mkay, sounds good. Is that common to build packages? Should I have a VM set up for building packages?
[22:24] <Riddell> that's probably a bit much, you can use debootstrap to make a chroot
[22:25] <jessie> Eh, but I'm generally on beta-alpha type packages. ha
[22:25] <Riddell> jessie: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-224-94-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[22:25] <Riddell> jessie: then run   byobu
[22:26] <Riddell> jessie: type something
[22:26] <Riddell> cool :)
[22:26] <Riddell> jessie: ok make a directoy to get the old source and apt-get source amarok
[22:28] <Riddell> jessie: you have sudo
[22:28] <Riddell> run an apt-get update I think
[22:29] <Riddell> jessie: ah the amazon mirror isn't updated for saucy
[22:29] <Riddell> jessie: remove us-east-1.ec2. from the sources.list
[22:30] <Riddell> jessie: no no, that just removed them all
[22:30] <Riddell> jessie: change us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <jessie> Riddell: Mkay, now what?
[22:35] <Riddell> jessie: in the first directoy download the new amarok tar
[22:36] <Riddell> jessie: the tar needs a very paticular name
[22:36] <Riddell> rename it to amarok_2.7.1.orig.tar.bz2
[22:37] <Riddell> jessie: untar it
[22:37] <Riddell> and copy the debian/ directory from the old version into it
[22:38] <Riddell> jessie: wee tip, you can avoid the "j" from tar arguments these days
[22:38] <Riddell> it's smart enough to work that out
[22:38] <jessie> Oh, nice. That's good to know.
[22:39] <Riddell> jessie: dch -i   will add a new changelog entry
[22:39] <Riddell> fix the template to have the right version no and your name/email
[22:41] <jessie> Riddell: What other info should I put in the changelog?
[22:41] <Riddell> jessie: you can change unreleased to saucy
[22:41] <Riddell> groovy
[22:41] <Riddell> it's ready to compile
[22:41] <Riddell> run  debuild
[22:42] <Riddell> jessie: oh hang on
[22:42] <Riddell> jessie: the version number inthe changelog isn't right
[22:42] <Riddell> edit debian/changelog and fix it
[22:42] <Riddell> should be 2.7.1-0ubuntu1
[22:42] <jessie> What's the 2: in front about?
[22:43] <jessie> 2:2.7.1-0...
[22:43] <jessie> ?
[22:43] <Riddell> jessie: that means someone screwed up the version number at some point
[22:43] <Riddell> since new packages always need a larger version than the previous version
[22:43] <jessie> Ahhh... That makes sense.
[22:43] <Riddell> so it get a number called the epoch infront of it to reset it
[22:43] <Riddell> that someone might have been me back when I was new to this game
[22:44] <Riddell> ah,patch
[22:44] <Riddell> jessie: let me look at this
[22:45] <Riddell> with a real editor!
[22:45] <jessie> Lmao, an Emacs fan, eh!?
[22:49] <Riddell> jessie: ok that's them updated
[22:49] <Riddell> jessie: debuild   away
[22:50] <Riddell> jessie: install pbuilder
[22:50] <Riddell> and run /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[22:50] <Riddell> jessie: oh install aptitude too
[22:52] <jessie> Riddell: I take it the fake backend is fine for building?
[22:53] <Riddell> jessie: yeah
[22:55] <Riddell> jessie: lovely, time for a cup of tea
[22:56] <jessie> Something something, XKCD link.
[22:57] <jessie> So this is what using Gentoo is like? :-P
[22:57] <Riddell> yeah pretty much :)
[23:03] <Riddell> hmm maybe I should have started a faster ec2
[23:06] <jessie> So, while we're waiting, it seems everyone here prefers Quassel over Konversation. Why?
[23:07] <Riddell> it's installed by default for historical reasons
[23:08] <Riddell> it can be run on a server to keep your connection permanantly
[23:08] <Riddell> personally I use irssi
[23:08] <jessie> Oh, that's a big plus.
[23:10] <valorie> konversation <3
[23:11] <valorie> so not *everyone*
[23:11] <valorie> KDE provides a nice bnc
[23:11] <jessie> valorie: Agreed. Though I do wish that the SASL authentication stuff would get moved into a package.
[23:11] <valorie> I thought that was done?
[23:12] <valorie> I like text logs
[23:12] <jessie> Maybe? I had to install from git for 13.04
[23:12] <valorie> no way I'm going to use a db to search online
[23:12] <valorie> our 13.04 package was made from git
[23:12] <valorie> Konversation
[23:13] <jessie> Hmmm... Maybe in 13.04 I finally didn't have to install from git.
[23:13] <valorie> Version 1.5-branch #4215
[23:14] <valorie> I have no problem with quassel being available, but feel we should be using KDE packages by default
[23:16] <Riddell> saucy meeting Monday 15:00UTC
[23:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: 
[23:20] <valorie> Riddell: I tested mumble on this puter last night and I get shrieking
[23:21] <valorie> I'll keep trying though
[23:21] <ahoneybun> back
[23:22] <Riddell> valorie: hum, I've not tested it recently
[23:23] <valorie> last time I couldn't participate because it didn't work for me, but this is a different computer
[23:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: only issue is that I don't know how to put my changes from the wiki into the docbook
[23:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: yes, that is THE issue
[23:24] <jessie> Riddell: You weren't kidding about this instance being slow. What is it, a Micro instance?
[23:24] <ahoneybun> you sound upset
[23:24] <valorie> we'll have to figure that out for this to be a success, really
[23:24] <valorie> no, it's just a problem we haven't solved yet
[23:25] <valorie> most problems are solvable
[23:25] <valorie> we'll do it
[23:25] <ahoneybun> I thought I could copy and paste but its a bit more if a process
[23:25] <valorie> and we have 4 months or so
[23:25] <Riddell> jessie: a small one
[23:26] <ahoneybun> valorie: that neither of us can write docbook?
[23:26] <ahoneybun> its just the &subject things that mess with me
[23:26] <valorie> it's just xml
[23:26] <ahoneybun> like &linux
[23:27] <valorie> I actually prefer xml to moinmoin markup
[23:27] <valorie> lol
[23:27] <jessie> Riddell: I have to go home and work on my car now. If I don't the wife is going to kill me. :-/
[23:27] <ahoneybun> but moinmoin look like plain text to me
[23:27] <valorie> because I'm used to writing html by hand
[23:27] <Riddell> jessie: ok, ping me tomorrow or anytime to finish this
[23:27] <Riddell> jessie: thanks for starting it
[23:27] <jessie> Riddell: Yeah, thanks for helping me learn. We'll see you tomorrow.
[23:28] <valorie> Riddell: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Mumble+meeting&iso=20130520T15&p1=1440&am=45
[23:28] <ahoneybun> yea I know I'm a bit used to that as well
[23:31] <ahoneybun> valorie: what does the words in yellow mean? with the & in front?
[23:31] <valorie> what words in yellow?
[23:31] <valorie> not sure where you are looking
[23:31] <ahoneybun> well in kate they are yellow
[23:31] <ahoneybun> the xml
[23:31] <valorie> oh, that might be kate doing that
[23:31] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:33] <ahoneybun> valorie: 
[23:33] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnXmlPages
[23:34] <ahoneybun> moinmoin can render docbook pages
[23:35] <valorie> but can it go the other way?
[23:35] <valorie> I know it's possible, but can WE do it?
[23:36] <ahoneybun> I'll see about it on for the welcome page first
[23:37] <ahoneybun> well the tool Python4Suite is dead
[23:37] <valorie> because it would be great to have our wiki version always 'in work' for the next release
[23:37] <valorie> and then be able to output html pages for the website, and docbook for the release
[23:38] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[23:38] <valorie> one wiki to rule them all
[23:38] <valorie> but like I said, we have a while to figure this out
[23:38] <ahoneybun> that would be cool]
[23:39] <valorie> the sooner the better for the webpages
[23:39] <valorie> it would be good to have someone work on the kde help center, so all the docs displayed right
[23:40] <valorie> the kde doc team is really cool
[23:41] <ahoneybun> oj
[23:41] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:48] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://wiki.tldp.org/ this wiki has the function
[23:48] <valorie> \o/
[23:48] <ahoneybun> can we move it there?
[23:48] <ahoneybun> or make a copy and then export?
[23:49] <valorie> dinnertime here now -- I'll be back in about 4 hours, since it's my night with my daddy
[23:49] <ahoneybun> ok I'll be on
[23:49] <ahoneybun> what should I do
[23:49] <valorie> ahoneybun: might be a good thing to discuss at the mumble meeting?
[23:49] <ahoneybun> when is that?
[23:49] <valorie> Monday
[23:49] <ahoneybun> time?
[23:50] <valorie> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Mumble+meeting&iso=20130520T15&p1=1440&am=45
[23:50] <valorie> :-)
[23:50] <ahoneybun> I'm at work
[23:50] <ahoneybun> can you talk about it there for me?
[23:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell: