[14:55] <thebishop> "The Canonical developers also admitted that having features like multi-GPU/hybrid support for Mir is a long way out. "  - Mir or no-Mir, the hybrid graphics situation on Linux is getting untenable
[15:19] <Thurin1> Was Unity the right choice or will Ubuntu suffer from ditching Gnome 3?
[15:21] <Wizard> Hard to say, actually.
[15:22] <Wizard> In my opinion Ubuntu will have to fork Gnome sooner or later or replace it with something else.
[15:22] <Thurin1> True.
[15:22] <Wizard> Unity in fact *is* built on top of Gnome 3.
[15:22] <Thurin1> Yes, I am aware of that.
[15:22] <Wizard> But Unity and Shell differ in many areas.
[15:22] <Thurin1> But, I think Gnome 3 will be the choice for desktops.
[15:22] <Thurin1> Ubuntu however has it made for tablets.
[15:23] <Wizard> Bull... RedBull :P
[15:23] <Thurin1> What part?
[15:23] <Thurin1> Gnome on desktops?
[15:24] <Thurin1> Or ubuntu on tablets?
[15:24] <Wizard> Belive me, both Unity (as in regular Ubuntu, 13.04) and Gnome Shell suck on a touchscreen.
[15:24] <Thurin1> Yes, but I find unity sucks a little less.
[15:24] <Thurin1> Because the dash is always present.
[15:24] <Thurin1> Gnome 3, more finger work.
[15:24] <Wizard> Well, in Shell "Preview" button is always present.
[15:25] <Wizard> Unity is Gnome 3 too.
[15:25] <Thurin1> Yeah, at the top left corner... than look down, then press etc.
[15:25] <Wizard> I don't get your point.
[15:25] <Thurin1> The way the layout is. :D
[15:25] <Wizard> You meant Gnome Shell?
[15:25] <Thurin1> The defaults.
[15:25] <Thurin1> Yes gnome shell
[15:25] <Wizard> Well. Unity is a classic desktop actually.
[15:26] <Thurin1> You like it as a desktop?
[15:26] <Wizard> Sure.
[15:26] <Wizard> Moreover, I think it was a step in right direction :)
[15:26] <Thurin1> I do too, but I prefer gnome-shell after using it for a while.
[15:26] <Thurin1> Oh, it was.
[15:26] <Wizard> Well, both was.
[15:26] <Thurin1> Much better than gnome 2.
[15:26] <Thurin1> But...
[15:26] <Wizard> I like gnome-shell too.
[15:26] <Wizard> But what?
[15:27] <Wizard> Man, I waited more than 10 years for this :D
[15:27] <Wizard> Linux got its own desktop!
[15:27] <Thurin1> For this conversation?
[15:27] <Thurin1> Me too
[15:27] <Thurin1> lol
[15:27] <Thurin1> :P
[15:27] <Thurin1> Yes!
[15:27] <Wizard> No, for true Linux Desktop.
[15:27] <Thurin1> It really feels like it. :)
[15:27] <Thurin1> It's not a copy of MS or Mac...
[15:27] <Thurin1> We're Linux.
[15:27] <Thurin1> :)
[15:27] <Wizard> Not FVWM with bunch of crappy athena widget apps, not KDE which immitates Windows 98 not Another OS X WM.
[15:28] <Thurin1> KDE...
[15:28] <Wizard> (Actually, Unity resembles OS X in some areas, but who cares )
[15:28] <Wizard> Broken.
[15:29] <Thurin1> Perpetually.
[15:29] <Wizard> Well, KDE1 was nice.
[15:29] <Thurin1> 4... 4... terrible.
[15:29] <Wizard> Terrible.
[15:29] <Thurin1> That's another thing
[15:29] <Thurin1> With Unity now
[15:29] <Thurin1> I think is the time to get rid of the Kubuntu line.
[15:30] <Wizard> Why?
[15:30] <Thurin1> Because people who want KDE know how to get it anyways.
[15:30] <Thurin1> Unity should be Ubuntu and Ubuntu should be Unity.
[15:30] <Wizard> Hence the name, I belive.
[15:30] <Thurin1> hah
[15:31] <Thurin1> One thing that's always been a blessing and a curse at the same time is the sheer amount of distsos.
[15:31] <Thurin1> distros..
[15:31] <Thurin1> So much wasted time on the same thing really.
[15:31] <Wizard> This is only a matter of time.
[15:32] <Thurin1> Ubuntu should just be Ubuntu... desktop/tablet/Server.
[15:32] <Thurin1> Makes it simple.
[15:34] <Wizard> If it comes about me, Ubuntu lacks two things.
[15:34] <Wizard> 1. Fonts and LibreOffice templates which actually look good.
[15:35] <Wizard> 2. Avahi integration for local network services discovery.
[15:36] <Thurin1> Yes, especially #1.
[15:37] <Thurin1> Actually the whole UI in libreoffice needs an overhaul but that's another story.
[15:37] <Wizard> Well, I agree.
[15:37] <Wizard> Sometimes when I look at it it reminds me of Ancient Egypt :D
[15:37] <Wizard> I don't know why.
[15:38] <Thurin1> hahahaha
[15:38] <Thurin1> Yeah, it's sad actually.
[15:38] <Wizard> Probably this UI design was found among hieroglyphs in Gisa :D
[15:38] <Thurin1> You know when you're all excited to introduce a friend to Linux... and they ask "well what about work? documents and spreadsheets?"
[15:38] <Thurin1> Then you fire up that damn ugly thing
[15:38] <Thurin1> Wizard: haha maybe.
[15:39] <Wizard> Even Google Docs offers more.
[15:39] <Thurin1> lol... it even looks better.
[15:39] <Thurin1> Anyways, that's the end of my lunch break...
[15:39] <Thurin1> Back to work, yay.
[15:40] <Wizard> And it is some kind of javascript abomination.
[15:40] <Thurin1> see ya
[15:40] <Wizard> Bye ;P
[15:40] <Wizard> I hope we won't ba banned from here for this small chat.