[00:55] knome: I thought the xubuntu session was today? [00:56] (well, yesterday for me ... 14th ) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [07:36] good morning [08:49] phillw, we pulled our sessions out of the "real" UDS schedule to be able to keep them at 20UTC. === christoffer_ is now known as christoffer === _salem is now known as salem_ === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [12:00] knome, interesting :-) So it's today at 2000 UTC for xubuntu meeting? [12:08] balloons, today as well. we had the first one yesterday; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html [12:08] ahh :-) [12:12] Hey balloons:) [12:13] balloons, phillw: What did you guys talk about in the Lubuntu session? [12:14] smartboyhw watch the session :) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/ [12:14] planned for the cycle [12:14] mostly just Julien detailing his thoughts [12:20] balloons: who is / are QA / release manager(s) for kubuntu? I can't see them listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre [12:21] scottk [12:24] is that page something i should (have) know(n) about? [12:38] knome, that page is something noskcaj started [12:38] in an effort to learn who everyone was :-) [12:38] okay [12:38] i just updated the main QATeam wikipage a bit [12:38] mostly (markup) formatting [12:39] awesome.. always happy to have updates :-) [12:42] balloons: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre should have a bit of prominence so that new comers can quickly find their flavor leads :) [12:42] phillw, well we have to all meet as leads.. I think we can discuss it then :-) [12:43] I agree the detail should be somewhere.. but buy-in from everyone has to be there so it stays reasonably up to date [12:43] and of course, I don't like listing people's contact info without them knowing :-) [12:56] balloons: well, elfy (QA guy from xubuntu) asked for some details, hopefully he will also update the page with his details :) [12:56] :-) === francisco is now known as Guest49422 === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [13:55] balloons: can you please move the "Automating the Language Pack refresh process" someplace else? seems I'm a key person in both that and the power mgmt one [13:56] balloons: yesterday would have been fine, but it got moved [13:56] any time after lunch break WFM, or tomorrow [13:58] pitti, ok, let me go look === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [14:01] nice everything is locked.. it might take someone with more power than me :-) [14:02] pitti, I'm afraid I can't move it ^^ [14:05] balloons: ah, too bad; thanks for trying, though === bladernr` is now known as bladernr [14:47] pitti, I'll start your session for upstream testing happening in 14 [14:48] pitti, query/private message? [14:55] smartboyhw_: sure (but I'm in sessions) [14:55] balloons: thanks; I'll be done with server testing in a bit [14:55] balloons: can you PM me the URL? [14:57] for eveyone who wants to follow along on status for quality community stuff: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html [14:59] balloons: Why there is no me?! [14:59] smartboyhw_, add yourself to any blueprint you wish [15:00] seriously :-) Even if you couldn't make it to the talk session, you can still help out :-) [15:00] I'm going to send that list to everyone on the mailing list so they know.. Anything you find interesting, join in! [15:02] balloons: I might do another classroom session… Any ideas? [15:02] you can't hardly have a bad session [15:02] there was a lot of demand for bug type sessions :-) [15:02] and as always, 'how to test X' [15:03] not literally x, lol, but 'how to test ' [15:03] balloons: How to test MIR or Unity (or flavours?) [15:04] all excellent ideas [15:04] mir would get a ton of people interested [15:07] balloons: probably "How to use the QA Trackers"? LOL [15:07] never a bad idea [15:11] balloons: Meh probably another testdrive session for new testers… [15:12] have a session on testdrive hacking :-) [15:13] balloons: That's Noskcaj's job:P [15:20] smartboyhw, lol [15:21] balloons: Damn I'm running out of ideas === victorp_ is now known as victorp_uds [15:36] balloons: You are ignoring me:( [15:36] smartboyhw, I'm doing video conversations all day, you know that :-) [15:47] balloons: … Give me three suggestions (that I will be good at talking about) :P [15:49] * elfy almost commented then ... ;) [15:50] elfy: Please do:P [15:50] wouldn't be ontopic for the channel :) [15:50] elfy: Query? [15:51] elfy, lololololololololol [15:51] And we do sometimes go ot [15:51] lolololololololololololol [15:51] smartboyhw, talk about testing tools, talk about hacking on something, talk about testing images [15:51] kids, stop flooding. :) [15:51] talk about contributing a testcase [15:51] knome: Meh [15:51] balloons: Images then [15:52] smartboyhw, sounds excellent [15:52] knome: taps - always stuck on they are [15:52] talk about testing and making sure testcases are up-to-date and accurate [15:52] ballooons: OK… [15:52] balloons: ^ [15:53] balloons: Add that workitem for me in blueprint please, I need to sleep [15:53] smartboyhw, sure thing [15:53] balloons: Thx:) GN [15:54] did I amuse you balloons ? [15:54] elfy, very much so [15:54] glad to be back and of service :) [15:54] :-) [15:55] I'm looking for blueprints documentation [15:55] * knome waves the whip - better be... [15:55] how they work, etc.. I feel like I've confused everyone in asking them to take part [15:55] heh. [15:55] what would you like the docs to say? [15:56] for me personally the work items stuff is pretty natural once you've used 5 mins in learning it [15:56] or a min really [15:56] knome: lol [15:57] balloons: is there a contact detail for scottk anywhere? [15:57] that you know of [15:57] elfy, /msg ScottK [15:57] elfy, or any at https://launchpad.net/~kitterman [15:57] thanks knome [15:57] np [15:58] knome, I agree.. but in this virtual world, it gets confusing for people I think [15:58] @ physical UDS it's a bit more straightforward [15:58] balloons: Error: "physical" is not a valid command. [15:58] haha! [15:58] ty meetingology [15:58] the irony.. [15:58] rofl [15:59] i wonder if that is the official canonical position about UDS :P [16:00] i don't know what the problem is really. you had to register your attending to the blueprints even in IRL UDS's to even have the possibility of sessions not overlapping too much [16:00] the only thing that i think is somewhat misleading is some sessions not having a LP blueprint... [16:04] elfy, you might want to check out this session: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21794/semiannual-release-schedule-review/ [16:04] elfy, register at: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/attend_meeting/21794/ [16:05] * knome puts the community roundtable on the background [16:05] * elfy does too [16:05] thanks knome - that first one was the one I was trying to find last night but failing at [16:05] np :) [16:06] sent that mail now [16:07] marked as attending [16:07] cool [16:07] and right, i was about to comment on that [16:07] I changed it a 'little' bit [16:07] heh [16:07] * knome looks === francisco is now known as Guest53340 [16:21] morning! [16:28] balloons, chilicuil phillw \o [16:32] SergioMeneses, aloha [16:32] UDS is in high gear [16:32] balloons, I cant be present this morning :S [16:33] no worries [16:34] * SergioMeneses hugs balloons [16:48] SergioMeneses: good morning =) === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [16:59] * balloons hugs SergioMeneses === xgoo is now known as Guest97580 === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [18:37] jibel: what does that want to tell me? [18:37] $ sudo bin/otto -i ~/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso start [18:37] usage: otto [-h] [-d] {create,destroy,start,stop,help} ... [18:37] otto: error: argument cmd_name: invalid choice: '/home/martin/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso' (choose from 'create', 'destroy', 'start', 'stop', 'help') [18:37] oh, obviously that I can't read --help output, sorry [18:38] jibel: nice warning about g-session already running [18:48] pitti, this is the default error format of argparse, I haven't read its doc for a while, I'll see if it can be made more human readable. [18:48] jibel: nah, I just put the -d before the start [18:49] jibel: as soon as IRC lets me go, I'll try this [18:58] jibel: awesome! [18:58] jibel: that works really nicely [19:01] jibel: one question, why does it use bsdtar and unsquashfs instead of simply loop-mounting the iso? is that because of the loop device leaks? [19:02] jibel: I have an idea about that (but will try tomorrow) [19:04] that would avoid having to copy the .squashfs file to /var/cache/otto/ [19:04] pitti, good to know :) yes, it's to avoid loop-mounting the files not really the device leak, essentially a matter of taste [19:05] especially on smaller/slower devices (like the n7), copying the extra .8 GB around is noticeable [19:05] so I'm wondering if (recursive) loop-mounting would be bad in any way [19:05] jibel: but anyway, details (for tomorrow) [19:05] jibel: it's magic! [19:06] I even see plymouth [19:06] pitti, added you to https://launchpad.net/~otto-dev if you want push fixes during the night ;) [19:06] shutdown doesn't work in multiiple ways, but again, details [19:06] jibel: well, I think I'll go for MPs at first [19:07] jibel: I'm somewhat allergic to running commands through shell (subprocess.getstatusoutput and the like), but I don't want to trample over your code [19:07] jibel: so, big thanks for this, this is a really nice and quick way to test something on an iso with full hw access [19:08] * pitti donne une accolade à jibel [19:08] * jibel donne en retour une accolade à pitti :) [19:09] pitti, glad you like it, but again it's only a couple of days of coding so any improvement is welcome [19:10] jibel: would you like me to investigate the double loop-mount approach, or is that something you already tried and rejected? [19:11] pitti, of course you can, I'm on the customization of the target container and tomorrow I'll be working on collecting log files during a run [19:16] jibel: great, so I'll play around with that tomorrow morning, before UDS [19:16] * pitti waves good night === francisco is now known as Guest83331 === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === pgraner` is now known as pgraner [21:26] balloons: yay! we have a fix for Lubuntu Software Center :D [21:30] woot [21:39] yup, Jorg worked out the error (LSC worked fine when installed on xubuntu) and tracked it back from there. Fantastic work from a guy who came onto the lubuntu facebook account not more than 48 hours earlier to ask wht LSC was under threat :D [21:41] elfy: by the way, if xubuntu want a low resource GUI for software center, LSC works fine... you may want to re-brand it though :D [21:42] thanks for letting me know [21:42] I think we started looking at that at one point - but then I went awol [21:43] phillw, you could always rename it "light software centre" [21:43] * SergioMeneses is back [21:44] elfy: stephen and his friend did a lot of work on getting up and running. But, as happens, they have moved on which left LSC facing being abandonware as my attempts to secure a competent python programmer failed. Then, at the last hour... one dropped by... You really cannot make this sort of story up, as no one would believe you :D [21:45] :) [21:45] Noskcaj: I'm sure that Julien would have no objections to that if xubuntu want to include it. [21:46] two teams using it would increase the chances of always having an active maintainer (or two!). [21:48] phillw, i assume that would come with the maintaining burden.. [21:52] only two maintainer? [21:52] knome: it would mean having someone familiar with python available should Jorg leave. [21:52] my brain converts that to maintaining burden [21:53] knome: okies. I was just a thought :) [21:53] *It* [21:53] hihi, what a typo [21:54] memo to self... do not try to type when pouring out a glass of wine :D [21:54] at the same time? wow... :) [21:55] lol [21:57] knome: anyways, the guy said it worked fine when installed in xubuntu, but not as default in lubuntu. That allowed him to track down the bug :D Have a look at it in xubuntu and see if it would fit in with your existing systems for installing / removing stuff via GUI without using synaptic package manager [21:58] well we're using USC right now [21:58] it's not perfect, but at least we're not maintaining it.. [21:58] knome: USC is pretty heavy on resources, too much so for lubuntu to use. [21:59] i see your point, and agree. i've purged USC myself.. [22:00] give LSC a try, you may even find it tollerable... I know we on here tend to use command line, but the users do not :D [22:04] knome: btw, what games does xubuntu ship with as default? [22:06] phillw, not many... i can't name them, but look at the seed :) [22:07] I do keep meaning to bookmark where the seeds are.... link, please? :) [22:08] i haven't got it bookmarked either :P [22:08] phillw, soduko and minesweeper [22:08] maybe just minesweeper [22:08] lol [22:09] both [22:09] and probably one more [22:09] knome, no, just those two. [22:09] okay [22:10] i remember we dropped some before we changed to a USB sized ISO to keep under the limit [22:15] knome: so, lubuntu is once alone... the only flavour on a CD :/ It's getting lonely out here in space :D [22:16] phillw, netboot is still a cd sized image ;) [22:16] i'm off to school, bye [22:17] knome: do you have a link to your meeting last night? I understand it was not help via vUDS [22:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html [22:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008906.html [22:17] for yesterday and today [22:22] thanks! [22:52] balloons: when you get chance, I cannot add in http://pastebin.com/2Fs1FzFZ as a comment on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfy_GxKHL0M&feature=youtu.be ? Am I using the wrong link, should it be linked to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/ and if so, can people view the etherpad without having to sign up? [22:52] phillw, they can't, they need to be in the etherpad users group [22:53] knome: hmm, is there a way to add a pastebin to a you-tube video? [22:54] phillw, i imagine you can always edit the description of the video if you're the posted [22:54] *poster [22:54] or you should be able to comment once you log in to youtube/google [22:55] I can comment, but it refuses to allow me to add the link to pastebin area... [22:55] weird [22:55] how are you trying to add it? [22:55] as a html tag or just the address as plaintext? [22:56] I have an you-tube account. I tried to add it as html [22:56] try as plaintext [22:56] i think youtube converts urls to links automatically [23:00] knome: it seems I have cookie problem.... switching now to a REAL browser... Ffox. There are times when Chromium REALLY gets my goat up! [23:00] :) [23:02] may the good Lord protect the team about to switch to chromium as their default... lubuntu are heading in the other direction now that FFox has been put on a diet! [23:05] he he... launching FFox and using my gmail address caused it to request the 6 digit code sent to my mobile (cell) phone.... Gotta love the guys who look after my email account!