[00:55] <phillw> knome: I thought the xubuntu session was today?
[00:56] <phillw> (well, yesterday for me ... 14th )
[07:36] <jibel> good morning
[08:49] <knome> phillw, we pulled our sessions out of the "real" UDS schedule to be able to keep them at 20UTC.
[12:00] <balloons> knome, interesting :-) So it's today at 2000 UTC for xubuntu meeting?
[12:08] <knome> balloons, today as well. we had the first one yesterday; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html
[12:08] <balloons> ahh :-)
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons:)
[12:13] <smartboyhw> balloons, phillw: What did you guys talk about in the Lubuntu session?
[12:14] <phillw> smartboyhw watch the session :) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/
[12:14] <balloons> planned for the cycle
[12:14] <balloons> mostly just Julien detailing his thoughts
[12:20] <phillw> balloons: who is / are QA / release manager(s) for kubuntu? I can't see them listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre
[12:21] <balloons> scottk
[12:24] <knome> is that page something i should (have) know(n) about?
[12:38] <balloons> knome, that page is something noskcaj started
[12:38] <balloons> in an effort to learn who everyone was :-)
[12:38] <knome> okay
[12:38] <knome> i just updated the main QATeam wikipage a bit
[12:38] <knome> mostly (markup) formatting
[12:39] <balloons> awesome.. always happy to have updates :-)
[12:42] <phillw> balloons: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre should have a bit of prominence so that new comers can quickly find their flavor leads :)
[12:42] <balloons> phillw, well we have to all meet as leads.. I think we can discuss it then :-)
[12:43] <balloons> I agree the detail should be somewhere.. but buy-in from everyone has to be there so it stays reasonably up to date
[12:43] <balloons> and of course, I don't like listing people's contact info without them knowing :-)
[12:56] <phillw> balloons: well, elfy (QA guy from xubuntu) asked for some details, hopefully he will also update the page with his details :)
[12:56] <balloons> :-)
[13:55] <pitti> balloons: can you please move the "Automating the Language Pack refresh process" someplace else? seems I'm a key person in both that and the power mgmt one
[13:56] <pitti> balloons: yesterday would have been fine, but it got moved
[13:56] <pitti> any time after lunch break WFM, or tomorrow
[13:58] <balloons> pitti, ok, let me go look
[14:01] <balloons> nice everything is locked.. it might take someone with more power than me :-)
[14:02] <balloons> pitti, I'm afraid I can't move it ^^
[14:05] <pitti> balloons: ah, too bad; thanks for trying, though
[14:47] <balloons> pitti, I'll start your session for upstream testing happening in 14
[14:48] <smartboyhw_> pitti, query/private message?
[14:55] <pitti> smartboyhw_: sure (but I'm in sessions)
[14:55] <pitti> balloons: thanks; I'll be done with server testing in a bit
[14:55] <pitti> balloons: can you PM me the URL?
[14:57] <balloons> for eveyone who wants to follow along on status for quality community stuff: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html
[14:59] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Why there is no me?!
[14:59] <balloons> smartboyhw_, add yourself to any blueprint you wish
[15:00] <balloons> seriously :-) Even if you couldn't make it to the talk session, you can still help out :-)
[15:00] <balloons> I'm going to send that list to everyone on the mailing list so they know.. Anything you find interesting, join in!
[15:02] <smartboyhw_> balloons: I might do another classroom session… Any ideas?
[15:02] <balloons> you can't hardly have a bad session
[15:02] <balloons> there was a lot of demand for bug type sessions :-)
[15:02] <balloons> and as always, 'how to test X'
[15:03] <balloons> not literally x, lol, but 'how to test <insert package>'
[15:03] <smartboyhw_> balloons: How to test MIR or Unity (or flavours?)
[15:04] <balloons> all excellent ideas
[15:04] <balloons> mir would get a ton of people interested
[15:07] <smartboyhw> balloons: probably "How to use the QA Trackers"? LOL
[15:07] <balloons> never a bad idea
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons: Meh probably another testdrive session for new testers…
[15:12] <balloons> have a session on testdrive hacking :-)
[15:13] <smartboyhw> balloons: That's Noskcaj's job:P
[15:20] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol
[15:21] <smartboyhw> balloons: Damn I'm running out of ideas
[15:36] <smartboyhw> balloons: You are ignoring me:(
[15:36] <balloons> smartboyhw, I'm doing video conversations all day, you know that :-)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> balloons: … Give me three suggestions (that I will be good at talking about) :P
[15:49]  * elfy almost commented then ... ;)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> elfy: Please do:P
[15:50] <elfy> wouldn't be ontopic for the channel :)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> elfy: Query?
[15:51] <balloons> elfy, lololololololololol
[15:51] <smartboyhw> And we do sometimes go ot
[15:51] <smartboyhw> lolololololololololololol
[15:51] <balloons> smartboyhw, talk about testing tools, talk about hacking on something, talk about testing images
[15:51] <knome> kids, stop flooding. :)
[15:51] <balloons> talk about contributing a testcase
[15:51] <smartboyhw> knome: Meh
[15:51] <smartboyhw> balloons: Images then
[15:52] <balloons> smartboyhw, sounds excellent
[15:52] <elfy> knome: taps - always stuck on they are
[15:52] <knome> talk about testing and making sure testcases are up-to-date and accurate
[15:52] <smartboyhw> ballooons: OK…
[15:52] <smartboyhw> balloons: ^
[15:53] <smartboyhw> balloons: Add that workitem for me in blueprint please, I need to sleep
[15:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing
[15:53] <smartboyhw> balloons: Thx:) GN
[15:54] <elfy> did I amuse you balloons ?
[15:54] <balloons> elfy, very much so
[15:54] <elfy> glad to be back and of service :)
[15:54] <balloons> :-)
[15:55] <balloons> I'm looking for blueprints documentation
[15:55]  * knome waves the whip - better be...
[15:55] <balloons> how they work, etc.. I feel like I've confused everyone in asking them to take part
[15:55] <knome> heh.
[15:55] <knome> what would you like the docs to say?
[15:56] <knome> for me personally the work items stuff is pretty natural once you've used 5 mins in learning it
[15:56] <knome> or a min really
[15:56] <elfy> knome: lol
[15:57] <elfy> balloons: is there a contact detail for scottk anywhere?
[15:57] <elfy> that you know of
[15:57] <knome> elfy, /msg ScottK
[15:57] <knome> elfy, or any at https://launchpad.net/~kitterman
[15:57] <elfy> thanks knome
[15:57] <knome> np
[15:58] <balloons> knome, I agree.. but in this virtual world, it gets confusing for people I think
[15:58] <balloons> @ physical UDS it's a bit more straightforward
[15:58] <meetingology> balloons: Error: "physical" is not a valid command.
[15:58] <knome> haha!
[15:58] <balloons> ty meetingology
[15:58] <knome> the irony..
[15:58] <balloons> rofl
[15:59] <knome> i wonder if that is the official canonical position about UDS :P
[16:00] <knome> i don't know what the problem is really. you had to register your attending to the blueprints even in IRL UDS's to even have the possibility of sessions not overlapping too much
[16:00] <knome> the only thing that i think is somewhat misleading is some sessions not having a LP blueprint...
[16:04] <knome> elfy, you might want to check out this session: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21794/semiannual-release-schedule-review/
[16:04] <knome> elfy, register at: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/attend_meeting/21794/
[16:05]  * knome puts the community roundtable on the background
[16:05]  * elfy does too 
[16:05] <elfy> thanks knome - that first one was the one I was trying to find last night but failing at
[16:05] <knome> np :)
[16:06] <elfy> sent that mail now
[16:07] <elfy> marked as attending
[16:07] <knome> cool
[16:07] <knome> and right, i was about to comment on that
[16:07] <elfy> I changed it a 'little' bit
[16:07] <knome> heh
[16:07]  * knome looks
[16:21] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> balloons, chilicuil phillw \o
[16:32] <balloons> SergioMeneses, aloha
[16:32] <balloons> UDS is in high gear
[16:32] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I cant be present this morning :S
[16:33] <balloons> no worries
[16:34]  * SergioMeneses hugs balloons 
[16:48] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: good morning =)
[16:59]  * balloons hugs SergioMeneses 
[18:37] <pitti> jibel: what does that want to tell me?
[18:37] <pitti> $ sudo bin/otto -i ~/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso start
[18:37] <pitti> usage: otto [-h] [-d] {create,destroy,start,stop,help} ...
[18:37] <pitti> otto: error: argument cmd_name: invalid choice: '/home/martin/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso' (choose from 'create', 'destroy', 'start', 'stop', 'help')
[18:37] <pitti> oh, obviously that I can't read --help output, sorry
[18:38] <pitti> jibel: nice warning about g-session already running
[18:48] <jibel> pitti, this is the default error format of argparse, I haven't read its doc for a while, I'll see if it can be made more human readable.
[18:48] <pitti> jibel: nah, I just put the -d before the start
[18:49] <pitti> jibel: as soon as IRC lets me go, I'll try this
[18:58] <pitti> jibel: awesome!
[18:58] <pitti> jibel: that works really nicely
[19:01] <pitti> jibel: one question, why does it use bsdtar and unsquashfs instead of simply loop-mounting the iso? is that because of the loop device leaks?
[19:02] <pitti> jibel: I have an idea about that (but will try tomorrow)
[19:04] <pitti> that would avoid having to copy the .squashfs file to /var/cache/otto/
[19:04] <jibel> pitti, good to know :) yes, it's to avoid loop-mounting the files not really the device leak, essentially a matter of taste
[19:05] <pitti> especially on smaller/slower devices (like the n7), copying the extra .8 GB around is noticeable
[19:05] <pitti> so I'm wondering if (recursive) loop-mounting would be bad in any way
[19:05] <pitti> jibel: but anyway, details (for tomorrow)
[19:05] <pitti> jibel: it's magic!
[19:06] <pitti> I even see plymouth
[19:06] <jibel> pitti, added you to https://launchpad.net/~otto-dev if you want push fixes during the night ;)
[19:06] <pitti> shutdown doesn't work in multiiple ways, but again, details
[19:06] <pitti> jibel: well, I think I'll go for MPs at first
[19:07] <pitti> jibel: I'm somewhat allergic to running commands through shell (subprocess.getstatusoutput and the like), but I don't want to trample over your code
[19:07] <pitti> jibel: so, big thanks for this, this is a really nice and quick way to test something on an iso with full hw access
[19:08]  * pitti donne une accolade à jibel
[19:08]  * jibel donne en retour une accolade à pitti :)
[19:09] <jibel> pitti, glad you like it, but again it's only a couple of days of coding so any improvement is welcome
[19:10] <pitti> jibel: would you like me to investigate the double loop-mount approach, or is that something you already tried and rejected?
[19:11] <jibel> pitti, of course you can, I'm on the customization of the target container and tomorrow I'll be working on collecting log files during a run
[19:16] <pitti> jibel: great, so I'll play around with that tomorrow morning, before UDS
[19:16]  * pitti waves good night
[21:26] <phillw> balloons: yay! we have a fix for Lubuntu Software Center :D
[21:30] <balloons> woot
[21:39] <phillw> yup, Jorg worked out the error (LSC worked fine when installed on xubuntu) and tracked it back from there. Fantastic work from a guy who came onto the lubuntu facebook account not more than 48 hours earlier to ask wht LSC was under threat :D
[21:41] <phillw> elfy: by the way, if xubuntu want a low resource GUI for software center, LSC works fine... you may want to re-brand it though :D
[21:42] <elfy> thanks for letting me know
[21:42] <elfy> I think we started looking at that at one point - but then I went awol
[21:43] <Noskcaj> phillw, you could always rename it "light software centre"
[21:43]  * SergioMeneses is back
[21:44] <phillw> elfy: stephen and his friend did a lot of work on getting up and running. But, as happens, they have moved on which left LSC facing being abandonware as my attempts to secure a competent python programmer failed. Then, at the last hour... one dropped by... You really cannot make this sort of story up, as no one would believe you :D
[21:45] <elfy> :)
[21:45] <phillw> Noskcaj: I'm sure that Julien would have no objections to that if xubuntu want to include it.
[21:46] <phillw> two teams using it would increase the chances of always having an active maintainer (or two!).
[21:48] <knome> phillw, i assume that would come with the maintaining burden..
[21:52] <SergioMeneses> only two maintainer?
[21:52] <phillw> knome: it would mean having someone familiar with python available should Jorg leave.
[21:52] <knome> my brain converts that to maintaining burden
[21:53] <phillw> knome: okies. I  was just a thought :)
[21:53] <phillw> *It*
[21:53] <knome> hihi, what a typo
[21:54] <phillw> memo to self... do not try to type when pouring out a glass of wine :D
[21:54] <knome> at the same time? wow... :)
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> lol
[21:57] <phillw> knome: anyways, the guy said it worked fine when installed in xubuntu, but not as default in lubuntu. That allowed him to track down the bug :D Have a look at it in xubuntu and see if it would fit in with your existing systems for installing / removing stuff via GUI without using synaptic package manager
[21:58] <knome> well we're using USC right now
[21:58] <knome> it's not perfect, but at least we're not maintaining it..
[21:58] <phillw> knome: USC is pretty heavy on resources, too much so for lubuntu to use.
[21:59] <knome> i see your point, and agree. i've purged USC myself..
[22:00] <phillw> give LSC a try, you may even find it tollerable... I know we on here tend to use command line, but the users do not :D
[22:04] <phillw> knome: btw, what games does xubuntu ship with as default?
[22:06] <knome> phillw, not many... i can't name them, but look at the seed :)
[22:07] <phillw> I do keep meaning to bookmark where the seeds are.... link, please? :)
[22:08] <knome> i haven't got it bookmarked either  :P
[22:08] <Noskcaj> phillw, soduko and minesweeper
[22:08] <Noskcaj> maybe just minesweeper
[22:08] <phillw> lol
[22:09] <knome> both
[22:09] <knome> and probably one more
[22:09] <Noskcaj> knome, no, just those two.
[22:09] <knome> okay
[22:10] <knome> i remember we dropped some before we changed to a USB sized ISO to keep under the limit
[22:15] <phillw> knome: so, lubuntu is once alone... the only flavour on a CD :/ It's getting lonely out here in space :D
[22:16] <Noskcaj> phillw, netboot is still a cd sized image ;)
[22:16] <Noskcaj> i'm off to school, bye
[22:17] <phillw> knome: do you have a link to your meeting last night? I understand it was not help via vUDS
[22:17] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html
[22:17] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008906.html
[22:17] <knome> for yesterday and today
[22:22] <phillw> thanks!
[22:52] <phillw> balloons: when you get chance, I cannot add in http://pastebin.com/2Fs1FzFZ as a comment on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfy_GxKHL0M&feature=youtu.be ? Am I using the wrong link, should it be linked to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/ and if so, can people view the etherpad without having to sign up?
[22:52] <knome> phillw, they can't, they need to be in the etherpad users group
[22:53] <phillw> knome: hmm, is there a way to add a pastebin to a you-tube video?
[22:54] <knome> phillw, i imagine you can always edit the description of the video if you're the posted
[22:54] <knome> *poster
[22:54] <knome> or you should be able to comment once you log in to youtube/google
[22:55] <phillw> I can comment, but it refuses to allow me to add the link to pastebin area...
[22:55] <knome> weird
[22:55] <knome> how are you trying to add it?
[22:55] <knome> as a html tag or just the address as plaintext?
[22:56] <phillw> I have an you-tube account. I tried to add it as html
[22:56] <knome> try as plaintext
[22:56] <knome> i think youtube converts urls to links automatically
[23:00] <phillw> knome: it seems I have cookie problem.... switching now to a REAL browser... Ffox. There are times when Chromium REALLY gets my goat up!
[23:00] <knome> :)
[23:02] <phillw> may the good Lord protect the team about to switch to chromium as their default... lubuntu are heading in the other direction now that FFox has been put on a diet!
[23:05] <phillw> he he... launching FFox and using my gmail address caused it to request the 6 digit code sent to my mobile (cell) phone.... Gotta love the guys who look after my email account!