[01:00] <SleepyJeremy> hello
[02:05] <debdeb> hi
[02:05] <debdeb> anyone want to answer me a few (stupid?) questions? :-)
[02:06] <debdeb> 1.) installation of ubuntu is possible on a google-nexus-7, right?
[02:07] <debdeb> if yes: is it possible to use it like a normal desktop-system, too?
[02:08] <debdeb> i see some problems for this: no hardware-hdmi-port and usb-otg only more or less working
[02:09] <debdeb> how is it with "Miracast"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
[02:10] <debdeb> nexus 4 should be able to work with it. android 4,2+, too. how is it with ubuntu-touch?
[02:10] <debdeb> + on nexus 7
[02:11] <debdeb> i am searching for "linux + miracast" at the moment... havent found a solution
[02:12] <debdeb> how is it with "intel-wireless-display"?
[02:13] <debdeb> and now to usb: does some network-usb-solution work with ubuntu-touch? for using usb-gadgets over wlan?
[03:56] <iiishad0w> hi all
[03:57] <iiishad0w> how can install touch to lenovo a798t?
[03:57] <iiishad0w> what should i do?
[05:58] <didrocks> hey Mirv, how is it going?
[06:00] <Mirv> didrocks: morning. it's ok, would need more to force myself to more pauses as the UDS makes one sit even more in the front of computer..
[06:00] <didrocks> Mirv: indeed ;)
[06:01] <Mirv> didrocks: I believe we are very near now that we could start Qt uploads to saucy
[06:01] <didrocks> excellent!
[06:01] <didrocks> Mirv: what about the SDK stack? it seems it's failing, right? (one test on one configuration, so should be a racy tests)
[06:01] <didrocks> Mirv: did you catch some sdk people already?
[06:01] <didrocks> Kaleo: ^
[06:02] <didrocks> Mirv: also, can I manually publish the platform stack?
[06:03] <Mirv> didrocks: interesting, that's now the first time the same intel machine is giving a real error, yesterday it was dpkg error and I thought it was just random as ati/nvidia succeeded
[06:03] <didrocks> Mirv: oh, you didn't look at it yet? (normally, it should really be our first task of the day I guess ;))
[06:04] <Mirv> didrocks: hehe, yes I fired up with the Qt stuff right away, should have looked before
[06:04] <didrocks> Mirv: right, please get the habit :)
[06:05] <didrocks> Mirv: do you mind talking about it with the sdk team, to fix the flackyness?
[06:05] <didrocks> Mirv: also, once you have that settled down, please tell me if I can publish the platform stack for you
[06:05] <Mirv> didrocks: yep, a top most bookmark would work
[06:05] <didrocks> great!
[06:07] <Mirv> didrocks: I'll try to get someone to help in debugging it. it's a simple select that is failing, so it's a good question what's happening as it works here and on the other test machines.
[06:08] <didrocks> Mirv: yeah, there are videos attached as well to the jenkins job
[06:08] <didrocks> Mirv: so quite easy to see if it timed out or so on
[06:11] <Mirv> didrocks: checked platform, that's ok for manual publish
[06:12] <Mirv> didrocks: and heh, jenkins has poor UX but the stuff we have there otherwise is amazing
[06:12] <Mirv> it's not immediately clear, but it might the intel machine scrolls too slowly and tries to select an item before scroll is finished or something. sleep(1) might be the friend, let's see
[06:16] <didrocks> Mirv: platform manually published :)
[06:16] <didrocks> Mirv: agreed on the UI ;)
[06:31] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <salman2135> hii
[06:42] <zsombi> hello guys
[07:41] <tvoss> ogra_, ping
[07:46] <tvoss> mmrazik, ping
[07:46] <mmrazik> tvoss: pong
[08:31] <ogra_> tvoss, hey
[08:31] <tvoss> ogra_, unping :)
[08:33] <ogra_> heh
[08:53] <tvoss> seb128, ping
[09:12] <tvoss> didrocks, ping
[09:12] <didrocks> tvoss: in a hangout, what's up?
[09:13] <tvoss> didrocks, any tutorial on how to add a ppa to a chroot?
[09:14] <didrocks> tvoss: do you use pbuilder?
[09:15] <tvoss> didrocks, ack
[09:16] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[09:17] <didrocks> tvoss: if you have my pbuilder hooks, you can create ~/.pbuilder-hooks/D10aptupdate (make it executable) simply with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667074/
[09:17] <Saviq> tvoss, pong
[09:17] <tvoss> Saviq, http://yangl.org/pdf/gstudio.pdf
[09:21] <seb128> tvoss, hey
[09:21] <seb128> tvoss, sorry I was debugging something and got carried away and forgot to pong ;-)
[09:32] <Saviq> tvoss, thanks, will have a look
[09:33] <tvoss> seb128, no worries. Did you have a chance to test the ubuntu-geoip provider on the phone, yet?
[09:33] <seb128> tvoss, no, I didn't ... was I supposed to test that or do you just ask in case?
[09:34] <seb128> tvoss, I tested dconf btw, it's already on the touch image (the phone app pulls it in) and is working fine
[09:34] <tvoss> seb128, just asking in case, running some test cases here and seeing weird behavior
[09:34] <tvoss> seb128, @dconf: great
[10:06] <mlankhorst> I was looking through the design docs, but what I'm missing is whether alarms will be supported when the device is powered off. Are you simply going to be out of luck when you set an alarm and the device is powered off at the time?
[10:08] <netcurli> mlankhorst: how is this handled on other smartphone OSes?
[10:09]  * mlankhorst tries on android
[10:12] <user82> mlankhorst, i am pretty sure off is off. the kernel and everything is stopped in android it theoretically drains zero battery when off
[10:12] <user82> or do you think there is a hardware clock that can wake the thing up? doubt it
[10:13] <netcurli> according to a quick google search it is the same thing on iOS
[10:13] <mlankhorst> Well I set the alarm for less than a minute in the future and shut it off, seems  the nexus 4 doesn't seem to wake up, but I think my n9 was capable of it.
[10:15] <user82> small ot but this is funny(read on the internet): An app that could turn on the phone (and activate the alarm) from cold would be nice. This would help those who like to leave their phone off at night.
[10:15] <user82> yes exactly a java app that runs on top of everything wakes the hardware up :P
[10:16] <mlankhorst> more like programming a rtc alarm, if it's available
[10:19] <user82> i doubt there is one mlankhorst
[10:19] <user82> or does android keep the date and time?
[10:19] <mlankhorst> no idea, I guess if the nexus 4 doesn't, we don't need to either
[10:20] <user82> the only 32.768kHz crystal in there is wired to the power management IC as far as i can see
[10:21] <mlankhorst> yeah np
[10:32] <Mohammad> hi every one
[10:32] <Mohammad> can any one help me?
[10:32] <Guest77908> i want to see a video about ubuntu touch
[10:33] <Guest77908> any video link?
[10:33] <Guest77908> thx
[10:40] <SybyAbraham> Hello! Anyone here?
[10:41] <Guest77908> yes
[10:41] <SybyAbraham> Yay!
[10:41] <Guest77908> >> <SybyAbraham> | yes
[10:41] <Guest77908> hello
[10:41] <SybyAbraham> Hello!
[10:42] <Guest77908> hi
[10:42] <SybyAbraham> I'm trying to get an error figured out on ubuntu touch.
[10:43] <Guest77908> when installing or downloading?
[10:44] <SybyAbraham> Ported, flashed, chroot working well but when I try to start qml-phone-shell I get qml-phone-shell: /build/buildd/ubuntu-platform-api-0.15/src/android/ubuntu_application_api.cpp:51: {anonyymous}::Bridge::Bridge(): Assertion `lib_handle && "Error loading ubuntu_application_api"' failed./
[10:44] <SybyAbraham> I thought the libs were missing but they weren't.
[10:44] <ogra_> you have them in your android build ?
[10:44] <t1mp> Guest77908: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ubuntu+touch&oq=ubuntu+touch
[10:44] <ogra_> (also you shouldnt need to start anything manually)
[10:44] <kalikiana> is anyone here using a Galaxy Tab? I'm basically stuck at 'Power reset or unknown upload mode' and cannot fix it
[10:45] <SybyAbraham> Yep, I do have it in the Android build.
[10:45] <ogra_> and it has the ubuntu libs in it ?
[10:45] <ogra_> (hybris and platform-api)
[10:45] <SybyAbraham> yes it does, in /system/libs
[10:46] <ogra_> did you make sure they are up to date when building (bzr pull in both of the subdirs before running brunch)
[10:46] <SybyAbraham> I did that as well! I pulled both of those branches.
[10:46] <ogra_> hmm, then it should tehoretically work
[10:47] <SybyAbraham> I know, but it doesn't. :(
[10:47] <SybyAbraham> I tried quantal, quantal mwc and raring builds all with the same issue.
[10:52] <SybyAbraham> I did bzr branch lp:platform-api
[10:52] <SybyAbraham> Is that right?
[10:52] <ogra_> no
[10:53] <SybyAbraham> pull instead of branch?
[10:53] <ogra_> "bzr pull" inside the platform-api directory of your phablet tree
[10:53] <ogra_> same for the hybris one
[10:54] <SybyAbraham> Alright! Thanks! I'll do that and see what happens.
[10:54] <SybyAbraham> Doesn't pahblet-dev-bootstrap do this automatically?
[10:54] <ogra_> it should tell you if it updated something
[10:54] <ogra_> pahblet-dev-bootstrap does it on the first checkout
[10:54] <ogra_> but brunch doesnt keep it up to date
[10:55] <SybyAbraham> oh, okay! Let me try that.
[11:04] <SybyAbraham> Pulled, building now.
[11:19] <popey> bug 1180345 ☹
[11:19] <ubot5`> bug 1180345 in gallery-app "Auto enhance crashes gallery app and deletes photo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180345
[11:27]  * tvoss complaints about gps cold starts taking _ages_
[11:32] <popey> tvoss: don't worry, gps takes _ages_ on android anyway
[11:35] <tvoss> popey, +1 on your comment on Marco's post :)
[11:36] <popey> ☻
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> ogra, same error!
[11:37] <ogra_> well, did the bzr pull actually update something ?
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> It did, it pulled 3 files along with a changelog
[11:37] <SybyAbraham> for platform-api
[11:38] <SybyAbraham> Didn't pull anything for hybris
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: ah :-)
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: it's about qdbusmenumodel, I can't get it to work
[11:41] <mardy> renato_: I'm trying the QMenuModel example file (render-menumodel.qml), but I always get an empty view
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: I changed the busName and path to "com.canonical.indicator.messages" and /com/canonical/indicator/messages/menu
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: and I added a few qDebugs here and there. I see that the model is connected, and that QMenuModel::onItemsChanged() is called with "added" > 0
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: but the view still stays empty
[11:42] <mardy> renato_: any ideas?
[11:42] <gianguido> hi chan :)
[11:43] <renato_> mardy, the desktop messaging menu is not compatible with the new one
[11:43] <renato_> mardy, you need to run the new messaging menu server or use any other new indicator
[11:44] <mardy> renato_: ok. Where do I find the new messaging menu server?
[11:44] <renato_> mardy, messaging menu server is very trick because it uses the same dbus name
[11:45] <mardy> renato_: I can try another one, I don't need exactly that one
[11:46] <Mirv> could I get someone, preferably two, to test the bug #1179937 on device? simple task, instructions in the description
[11:46] <ubot5`> bug 1179937 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "OSK does not appear in webapps" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179937
[11:49] <mardy> renato_: I also tried indicator-network-menu-server, but I get the same empty model
[11:49] <mardy> renato_: can you point me at some indicator which is known to work?
[11:49] <renato_> mardy, let me check the example
[11:53] <ogra_> hmm, why the heck do we use a modified mountall
[11:53] <ogra_> (instead of just putting an .override file in place)
[12:08] <Namidairo> double dare you to have a ubuntu-on-air chat during the i/o keynote
[12:10] <renato_> mardy, there is something wrong with the test or the library itself I need to investigate
[12:10] <renato_> mardy, do you need this urgent?
[12:11] <mardy> renato_: it's actually almost blocking me
[12:11] <mardy> renato_: I could find something else to do, though
[12:13] <renato_> mardy, I will take a look soon, I have some meetings during the morning
[12:13] <mardy> renato_: thanks!
[12:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, so doing the container flip might become hard on maguro ... for some reason the boot.img size is limited to 4.5M ... with the kernel being 4.1M big
[12:27] <ogra_> i dont manage to produce such a small initrd
[13:26] <renato_> mardy, I found the problem
[13:26] <mardy> renato_: you rock! \o/
[13:26] <renato_> mardy, the example does not work because sometime ago I changed the qmenumodel to be a treemodel and I forgot to update the example
[13:27] <renato_> mardy, take a look on this example: https://pastebin.canonical.com/91028/
[13:27] <renato_> mardy, I did not make it fully functional but you can have some idea how the treemodel works on QML
[13:28] <renato_> mardy, you should be able to test it with "exportmenu.py" in the example folder
[13:28] <mardy> renato_: thanks a lot, I'll have a look
[13:28] <kenvandine> Saviq, for the people lens, what do you think about us dropping the avatar cache in friends and just providing the urls for avatars in the model?
[13:29] <kenvandine> and just rely on qml's image caching
[13:29] <mardy> renato_: maybe I can use something like this on the treemodel: https://codereview.qt-project.org/49564
[13:29] <Saviq> kenvandine, we're dropping the people lens TBH, but the functionality should be there in $contacts_app
[13:29] <kenvandine> Saviq, that's what causing the slowness in friends-app
[13:29] <Saviq> kenvandine, so I'm good with that
[13:29] <kenvandine> too many files in the avatar cache
[13:30] <kenvandine> we could solve that by splitting it up, etc... but not sure it's worth it
[13:30] <kenvandine> Saviq, cool
[13:30] <renato_> mardy, this is great :D, I have create a similar component in the indicators-client component, where you can export the treemodel as a flatmodel
[13:31] <renato_> mardy, is a bit different because my model export all nodes in the same level
[13:31] <kenvandine> Saviq, it's amazing how much smoother scrolling is when it loads the avatars online instead of from local files :-D
[13:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: is that the size of the partition?
[13:39] <ogra_> rsalveti, the partition is 8M ... the kernel defined ramdisk size is 8M in the kernel config too
[13:39] <ogra_> the only thing i can imagine here is a hardcoded value of 4.5M in the bootloader
[13:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's weird, what happens when you flash something bigger than 4.5?
[13:41] <ogra_> it hangs at the google screen
[14:04] <asd> Hey, someone here?
[14:13] <gianguido> hey asd
[15:17] <MacSlow> Saviq, if you could take another look, I did the remaining fixes... https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity/phablet-notification-renderer/+merge/155512 (rev. 599)
[15:17] <nerochiaro> sil2100: i found out what's preventing my fix to the autopilot tests, basically when i run the app once to setup the DB, i have to terminate it by sending it an ctrl+f4, but the autopilot keyboard object doesn't seem to exist on the test
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, cheers
[15:51] <scottrosenquist> Hey. Could anyone tell me about saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip. Whether it's currently available, where I can find it?
[15:56] <ChickenCutlass> scottrosenquist, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:57] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, for the android bits use the raring zip ...
[15:57] <ogra_> it would be identical to a saucy one anyway
[15:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually... maybe you should check if it's a number, too?
[15:58] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what should be a number?
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the timeout
[15:58] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ so I can use todays mako .zip from raring with the armfs .zip from saucy?
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I most often convert compare(obj.prop, value, message) to tryCompare(obj, "prop", value, message)
[15:58] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, use the mako zip from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ ... together with the saucy userspace from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, which results in 0 timeout...
[15:59] <ogra_> scottrosenquist, right
[15:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and quiet failure
[15:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ouch
[15:59] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ excellent, thank you so much. Final question, if I'm flashing through clockworkmod, I would flash the mako zip before the userspace, correct?
[16:00] <ogra_> i dont think the order matters, though i never tried flashing them the other way round
[16:00] <ogra_> but they write to different partitions
[16:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep, will do as soon as this one gets approved
[16:01] <tsdgeos> step by step
[16:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure
[16:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it'd probably be useful to make sure that the first argument is an object and the second a string?
[16:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just to complete the sanity checks
[16:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: if second is not a string it fails
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok
[16:03] <tsdgeos> since atYEnd
[16:03] <tsdgeos> is nothing
[16:03] <tsdgeos> well, you could write 3
[16:03] <tsdgeos> and then no clue what would happen
[16:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, exactly ;)
[16:03] <scottrosenquist> ogra_ Thank you!
[16:03] <tsdgeos> let's see
[16:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: tries to access property 3 and ends up failing
[16:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, 3 could be a valid thing if it was an array
[16:05] <Saviq> not sure that's supported, though
[16:05] <tsdgeos> and same thing for using a 3 as item
[16:07] <tsdgeos> it ends up failing
[16:07] <tsdgeos> guess tries to access 3["atEnd"]
[16:07] <tsdgeos> whatever that is :D
[16:07] <tsdgeos> am i here?
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes you are
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, some lag, but yes
[16:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, some sanity check could be useful there :)
[16:10] <tsdgeos> greyback: CI failed now that we have the real tryCompares :D
[16:10] <tsdgeos> sad, works here :-/
[16:10] <greyback> tsdgeos: blast
[16:13] <tsdgeos> will check tomorrow
[16:13] <tsdgeos> probably needs some waitForRendering or something
[16:19] <nerochiaro> sil2100: ping
[16:50] <nerochiaro> sil2100:  om26er: hi, can you please check if this MR fixed the jenkins issues with notes-app autopilot failures ?
[16:52] <om26er> nerochiaro, where is the MR ;)
[16:54] <nerochiaro> om26er: whoops sorry: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-fix-autopilot-db-issues/+merge/164003
[17:02] <Manish> hello guys
[17:07] <Manish> hello everybosy can anyone help me?
[17:11] <ogra_> MAhow would we know ?
[17:11] <ogra_> !ask| Manish
[17:11] <ubot5`> Manish: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[17:11] <Manish> ubots i need a devolper to help me
[17:13] <davmor2> Manish: it means ask the question then a dev might be able to help you
[17:13] <Manish> i plan to launch ubuntu touch for mobile in india so as i am not a devolper i would need devolper to help me because i want to make customized ubuntu touch and launch in india
[17:15] <Manish> i want to add lot of things in ubuntu like i would change the ui and add lot of other features but first i need to test it on a device so am stuck there i dont know how to install ubuntu on my phone..
[17:18] <om26er> nerochiaro, confirmed, your branch fixes the db issue
[17:19] <om26er> nerochiaro, http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner/1462/
[17:19] <priya> hii can i install ubuntu tounch on iball slide
[17:19] <priya> please answer??
[17:20] <Manish> hello priya you van install
[17:20] <priya> thanks manish
[17:20] <priya> will try today itself
[17:21] <om26er> nerochiaro, both the failing tests pass on the desktop however
[17:25] <Manish> i need a dev who can help change the curent ui of ubuntu touch and add dual wifi support
[17:26] <Oranger> Manish: Dual wifi ?
[17:27] <Manish> yes ability to connect 2 wifi connections into 1 to get higher speed
[17:27] <om26er> :O
[17:28] <Manish> or you can ability to connect 2 data connections into 1 ...
[17:30] <Manish> oranger is it possible?
[17:30] <Oranger> Manish: I heard about it, but I don't know how to implement this
[17:31] <Manish> oranger its alredy running on huwaei android phone
[17:31] <Oranger> Manish: And I don't see why it would be in ui ^^
[17:31] <Oranger> Manish: Is it in core yet ?
[17:31] <Manish> not in ui oranger
[17:32] <Manish> oranger sorry i am not dev so i don knw wat is core..sorry
[17:32] <Oranger> Manish: Oh ok :)
[17:32] <Oranger> Manish: But, you are not a ui dev ?
[17:32] <Manish> i am not a dev..i am a business man
[17:33] <awe_> Manish, if you mean 802.11n support, it's already supported
[17:33] <Manish> awe can i connect 2 data connections onto 1 and use it?
[17:34] <awe_> you connect to a single AP
[17:34] <awe_> and the thruput goes up if the AP supports 802.11n
[17:35] <Manish> ok awe
[17:36] <awe_> 802.11n supports multiple antennas, which can make the thru-put go up
[17:36] <Manish> awe is it possible to build a system which can connect internet via usb dongle??on ubuntu
[17:36] <Manish> awe thanks a lot for info
[17:36] <awe_> sure... but this isn't something we're focusing on right now for touch
[17:36] <Manish> i know awe its a very small thing
[17:37] <awe_> making the core networking features work ( wi-fi, 2g/3g data, ... ) are more important
[17:37] <Manish> awe can we change the Ui of ubuntu touch like in android each company has there own ui
[17:38] <Oranger> "each company has there own ui" ?
[17:38] <awe_> I'm not a UI guy, but yes...as everything's open source, it should be possible for UI customization.   You might want to ask more specific questions on the mailing list
[17:38] <Manish> oranger for eg Htc has sense ui,samsung has touch wiz
[17:38] <awe_> I actually have to go offline for awhile...
[17:38] <awe_> ttyl
[17:39] <Oranger> Manish: Oh ok, so yes you can of course :)
[18:01] <nerochiaro> om26er: ok, i'll look into these two other failing tests tomorrow
[18:43] <sergiusens> mzanetti: you still about?