[05:35] Anyone aboard? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === francisco is now known as Guest49422 [13:14] test === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | App Developer Roundtable | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21821/app-developer-roundtable/ === dpm_ is now known as dpm-uds [14:02] Hear you [14:02] yes we can hear you [14:02] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d3db9679af80c3c496e285892391afe89f016a49 [14:02] no delay here [14:02] if someone wants to join the hangout [14:02] ping [14:02] i can hear you [14:02] no delay [14:03] i heard you guys [14:03] mhall119_uds: god the delay is a lot :P [14:03] 1-2 minutes delay [14:03] on [14:03] mhall119_uds: pong heard [14:03] pong [14:04] i already heard it as well [14:04] yeah, that's a long delay [14:04] say ping [14:04] say ping [14:04] say ping [14:04] :D [14:04] is there an open source google like hangout? [14:05] or free software [14:05] holy cow that is a delay [14:06] cool [14:06] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21824/appdev-1305-api-website/ is the new site session he was talking about [14:11] did the video freeze for anyone? [14:11] this might be kind of a stupid question and unrelated, but is it possible to get an ubuntu touch virtual machine image? [14:11] nik90: ya for a second just did a page refresh [14:12] I would have joined the hangout, but have no webcam and my high-end mic broke [14:14] goddard, that isn't to stupid a question, as it seam that i do 99 percent of a software testing using VirtualBox [14:18] I am late at joining the discussion so i am not sure if it is covered, but i wanted to know is ubuntu planning to have a desktop toolkit like for mobile? [14:18] i mean gtk and qt do exist but they are too generic. Is ubuntu planning to have ubuntu specific controls and stuff for develoeprs [14:18] to have a unified look for the apps [14:18] oh ok so i use unity next [14:20] that would be awesome [14:22] if the desktop was originally written for GTK+, why did you make the decision for touch to be qt based? not complaining, I'm a qt guy all the way === mike is now known as Guest27941 [14:22] i want to ask the same question [14:22] and are you planning to have gtk support in ubuntu for mobile? [14:22] QUESTION: how do you ensure the upstream Qt docs on dev.ubuntu are in sync with upstream? [14:23] Good question bubbly193 also interested in the background discussions for that [14:23] bubbly193: i think because Nokia did a ton of work for their mobile plateform based on Linux, but then pretty much got paid a crap ton of money from Microsoft then abandoned it [14:24] QT is awesome [14:24] it makes C++ usable [14:25] i'm not complaining, i'm a KDE guy, and kde uses QT [14:25] the "easier" is not true technically speaking - though I would agree on the previous arguments [14:25] yup it makes sense, because if the system is made on qt then gtk support would be an overhead i guess [14:25] (gtk has the same backend modules as qt) [14:26] kaliuds: thanks, I wasn't real sure on that point [14:26] the problem is majority developer like me know c not c++ [14:26] i know all about surfaceflinger and it's almost no support for gmas and raedons [14:27] udit_: i know PHP so I just had to learn new languages [14:28] QML is easy to learn [14:28] udit_: if you're going to use Qt Quick and QML it's not even C++, it's javascript [14:28] not even that much javascript [14:28] oh, didn't know that. never got into qt. bt i think it is time to take it for a spin now [14:29] QUESTION: could you explain the process to propose an app that someone does to be included in the ppa or how to distribute it? [14:29] Question: with the latest weird development in nautilus is ubuntu planning to do something about it given we would need the same for mobile too.. I mean a new file manager or a fork of nautilus? PS: Gnome i think have even removed the desktop drawing code from nautilus [14:30] ya, that is a good discussion. i want to take part in core dev but don't know how to [14:31] QUESTION: are there bitesize tasks in the core apps that people with little time on their hands could do to contribute? [14:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection [14:32] QUESTION: on raring, after installing the ubuntu-sdk package, should we also add the relevant ppas to stay current (SDK Release and QT 5 Edgers)? [14:32] (and then ping mhall119 or popey) [14:32] Question: should ubuntu do something about having android apps support, ie if it is possible. Because that will mean Ubuntu having all the apps from android to begin with. [14:33] udit_: that would generate a large dependency on dalvik I suspect [14:33] thanks [14:34] brunogirin: that's a really good suggestion [14:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/ [14:34] thanks.. I am so glad to hear that [14:35] brunogirin: I know but don't you think it would be worth? I mean Android already has everything a mobile platform needs. [14:35] Are there any plans to bring community developers working on the Core Apps inside the formal Ubuntu community structures? [14:35] Will those projects eventually allow community developers the same kind of control over the project the distro developers currently have? I.e. control over commit permissions? [14:35] http://www.canonical.com/contributors [14:36] udit_: true but if you just want more apps, it might be easier to support sailfish, BB10 or WedOS apps out of the box [14:36] nik90: thanks :-) [14:37] brunogirin: ya anything tbh. I mean we need something that already gives us edge and Ubuntu mobile does not need to have a journey of 4-5 years before having good enough apps. Ubuntu desktop still lacks with this problem. We need to tackle this problem. [14:39] thanks [14:40] maybe my question is more suited for the community-roundtable? [14:41] hmm. Thanks. [14:42] Remember, Ubuntu Touch is a desktop/phone-tablet OS not just a phone-tablet OS. [14:42] QUESTION: are there things we can learn from quickly and port to the SDK / QtCreator? [14:42] udit_: brunogirin: porting BB10 and Sailfish apps to Ubuntu would be relatively simple for most apps [14:43] Sorry I joined. Did realize UDS started yesterday [14:43] mhall119: that's what I suspected and in an ideal world, QML APIs between the 3 would eventually converge to minimise porting [14:45] Question: Given ubuntu as a desktop has never had the best of graphics drivers from any of the major players(nvidia/ati), how will we ensure that Ubuntu mobile gets better support for the same. Or the core team would think about polish the open source drivers? [14:45] QUESTION: Once the SDK reaches 1.0, will Canonical prefer developers for desktop apps to use it? Also will the core apps have desktop versions? I think they should so other developers can could use them a reference for the own apps like how developers on OSX uses Apple's custom as guides. [14:45] thanks guys, I'm just glad people are thinking about this... [14:46] +1CheesBurg [14:47] Sorry i was helping take care of my nephew, so i missed most of this, and I will be unable to attend the next App Developer meeting, as I'm going to the foundations meeting [14:47] mhall119: my wishlist: packaging and autopilot test templates [14:48] im not a huge fan of launch pad [14:48] it needs an interface upgrade [14:48] brunogirin: packaging is already there to some extent [14:51] goddard: I might say that launchpad interface is so much better over others like gnome bugzilla for isntance [14:52] About getting more contributors to core apps: I guess that information about the current status is hard to find. It seems as if most of the apps wait for designer input at the moment (?), and starting without these designs might be wasted time... [14:52] I am glad to hear that Ubuntu is talkign to hardware manufacturer for this [14:52] thnks [14:53] nik90: true [14:53] nik90: i guess i am spoiled with github [14:53] goddard: :) [14:54] Core apps needs to be on all forms of Ubuntu so that developers can have a standard they can look at. [14:54] http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/ [14:55] CheesBurg: that's the eventual plan [14:55] QUESTION: should this take inspiration from responsive HTML techniques? Some of the complicated issues in supporting several form factors are well documented with responsive designs. [14:55] CheesBurg: There are many core apps which is currently being designed for the mobile platform. However we should expect desktop designs to land once they are done. [14:57] When will Unity Next be integrated into a stable release?, when will Mir? [14:57] I understand, I just want to stress it. My personal goal is to make sure that Ubuntu is developer friendly, Even more so than Android [14:57] Question: When Unity next be integrated with the desktop, does that mean Ubuntu going away with Native gtk apps like Empathy etc? [14:58] QUESTION: what about supporting right to left languages and how it affects layout? [14:59] wuuuuut? === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | SDK Tools & QtCreator | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21768/appdev-1305-sdk-tools/ [15:01] Thanks for the clarification [15:02] thanks guys for the session [15:04] Hi All. i have this bug in qtCreator 2.7 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/15afg52ngjtdugf/qtcreator.png). Any solution. I found just this. http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/27610 [15:05] ne0en: is that a no-webkit build? [15:06] we can hear you [15:06] I can hear you [15:06] loud and clear :) [15:06] we hear you [15:06] All is well [15:06] i don't know. It's from ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa. [15:07] o. [15:07] oops [15:07] o/ [15:08] Will it be possible to use the Library pane in the Design section of Qt Creator with the ubuntu components? [15:08] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/317b938809450301c770a6a40a733504a6543654 if anybody wants to join [15:08] please use QUESTION, it's gonna be hard to spot all questions otherwise [15:08] QUESTION Will it be possible to use the Library pane in the Design section of Qt Creator with the ubuntu components? [15:09] thanks [15:09] I don't hear an eco [15:09] fwiw [15:09] The youtube stream doesn't have echo. [15:09] Neither do I (watching the stream) [15:10] GuidoPallemans: currently there is no Design tab support, even though it's visible in the UI. support for such features is later in the roadmap [15:10] ok [15:11] QUESTION: what is the status of daily quality for QtCreator and the SDK? [15:11] (I noticed that regressions are common and bug reports are often languish without being actioned) [15:13] indeed, only very simplistic [15:14] QUESTION: at the moment, you can create a new functional test project: are there plans to add the ability to add test files to an existing QML project rather than create a whole new project for your tests? [15:14] QUESTION, for a beginner in developing; Is the documentation and resources on the wiki etc. adequate enough for learning with the changes coming? [15:14] Mirv: you could answer that :) [15:15] rickspencer3: do you have specific examples of regressions? [15:15] yes [15:15] I was asking about QtCreator and the plugin itself [15:15] FOLLOW-UP but it would be useful to be able to make the high-level structure of the app in the designer, maybe at least support for pagestack and tabs should be added? [15:15] rickspencer3: so the plugin itself stopped working? [15:15] mhall119, yes, often [15:15] mhall119, and then bug reports languish until I ping someone [15:16] I think we should have tests that run over QtCreator to test our plugin and that we don't tolerate regressions, basically, daily quality ... treat the SDK as a release [15:16] rickspencer3: +1 [15:17] +2 [15:17] so, do with QtCreator what we are doing with the UITK now [15:17] Mirv is hard to hear [15:18] is it possible to treat them together as a "release"? [15:18] built in -proposed, smoke tests, etc... [15:18] QUESTION ^ [15:19] Kaleo, can you ask mirv to raise his mic [15:20] what is the advantage of testing "together" instead of separately? [15:20] or: what does it mean to test together? [15:21] here's an example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1179716 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1179716 in touch-preview-images "QML Scene does not reliably start" [High,New] - Assigned to Juhapekka Piiroinen (juhapekka-piiroinen) [15:21] yes, they are typically from the Plugin [15:22] I think that QtCreator is generally very useful now [15:22] I think its Qt and qtcreator and the plugin is the interesting combo [15:22] we need use our apps to test with the toolkit and avoid regressions there [15:22] so rather than focusing on adding more features, it's time to start ensuring daily quality for what we have? [15:22] pmcgowan: right [15:22] rickspencer3: +1 [15:23] we currently have JP's work separately at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins , and it's manually made into a patch. having it as a separate source package would be a first step to get 'normal' plugin build process [15:24] and tests run (which it currently lacks) [15:24] Mirv: yes, that was my next question :-) [15:25] Mirv, right, plugin needs to be separated [15:25] can we record that as a work item [15:25] mhall119: more or less yes, a basic (empty) test and a way to run it [15:26] the examples will become larger and more complicated if tests are added to the template programs. won't that scare new developers? [15:26] t1mp: not if they aren't in the way [15:26] tlmp: not if we keep it simple [15:26] pmcgowan: it's there in the etherpad now [15:27] ty [15:27] timpI dont think so, good incentive to insert test framework [15:28] http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [15:28] rafaelmartinez: ^ [15:28] right [15:29] that's what I was referring to [15:29] thanks a bunch [15:31] yes its doc'd in the roadmap [15:31] which is a google doc right now, needs to be promoted to the wiki [15:31] QUESTION: have you ever talked to QtCreator "upstream"? [15:32] small thing: would be nice if the device tab showed the current build # of Ubuntu Touch on the device [15:32] desired feature: like android (:D) run the app inside the actual operating system. I have run unity next* on my computer today, and it would be nice to just run the app in that (* http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/ ) [15:33] Maybe jono's remark from yesterday should be added to this sessions' pad: a seperate launcher for ubuntu sdk - qt creator [15:34] GuidoPallemans: good idea [15:35] I added to the items [15:41] imo we have good contacts with digia and upstream [15:41] just to point out, the "JP" we talk about regarding qt creator is jppiiroinen on various channels [15:43] QUESTION: Has anyone else had problems watching global JS variables declared at the file scope in qtcreator? [15:44] micah2: how do you do that? and why? I always declare all my variables inside the qtquick component [15:44] micah2: (code example?) [15:44] I had a problem once where my qt localstorage was not yet initialised on a project, is there a way to reset it (this is more qt-side ofc) [15:45] micah2: that's better suited to askubuntu.com [15:46] mhall119: Sorry, just wondering if that was a known issue with qtcreator that needed to be addressed. [15:54] hello [15:54] who's got the bird ? [15:54] if there are any last question, best to ask them now before we run out of time [15:55] what session is this ? [15:55] SDK Tools & QtCreator [15:55] bobweaver: finishing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21768/appdev-1305-sdk-tools/ [15:55] thanks [15:56] ah its in the topic :) [15:56] dpm-uds, there is a single doc [15:56] QUESTION: wh yare you all using json for wizards and what not why not the wizards.xml and what not ? [15:56] mhall119: screenshots will be a lot of work, mainly because the designs are changing a lot [15:56] thanks pmcgowan, yeah, Florian mentions the SDK tools is simply a tab in that doc [15:57] mhall119: I mean if we put the min there manually [15:57] dpm-uds, we have a document as well with more detail, I can work on it with bz [15:57] different detail [15:57] http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qcheckbox.html#details has images [15:57] great, thanks [15:57] bobweaver: I don't think there's enough time to answer why/why not questions :( [15:58] QUESTION: why not have debian packaging set up by wizards ? [15:58] bobweaver: click packages are the focus going forward [15:58] and yes, we discussed using a wizard there [15:59] seems like none of the packaging tools work under build_>ubuntu-> make deb ect [15:59] none of them are working for me on 12.04 I tried last night [15:59] worked when I used it [15:59] on 13.04 [16:00] mhall119, did you try the ppa that I made ? === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | The next Ubuntu App Showdown | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21710/appdev-1305-app-showdown/ [16:01] QUESTIONS: are there going to be tutorials and examples fpr qtcreator ? [16:01] dang it needed to get out of work faster [16:01] why are thee not on the weeksends when people are not working ? [16:01] weekends* [16:01] bobweaver, for that question, you might be interested in the last session tomorrow: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-16/display [16:01] though I work on weekends also [16:02] thanks dpm-uds [16:03] I thought that people well normal people work from mon-fri ? [16:03] j/s [16:03] anyhow I am just flustered because I missed the one that I really wanted to be at lol [16:03] sorry [16:04] bobweaver: a number of people from canonical need to be here and wouldn't have time on the weekend [16:05] it's difficult to make it work for everyone [16:05] good kaliuds yeah I was flustered [16:05] that is all [16:05] I can understand [16:05] belive me I know all about beeing somewhere at crazy times [16:06] I gotta be doing half the day work and half the extended day is uds [16:06] and kaliuds hate to be devils right hand man here but they had time at non virtual uds [16:06] not that great either [16:07] at any rate I am sure that people see this and it might help in the future :) [16:07] the physical uds was also in the week [16:07] same as now [16:07] you'd have taken vacation then [16:08] personally if I can throw an idea out there, split the sessions in half over more days [16:09] that makes it easier no matter where you are [16:09] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/741d3ca226a88664856631cb3360400eb437ab95 if anybody wants to join the hangout itself [16:12] have to install the plugin, on a new Kubuntu install [16:16] mhall119: isn't it dangerous to offer potentially unlimited prize money? ;) [16:17] Considering games are a big part of a mobile ecosystem, shouldn't games be given a separate category in the showdown? [16:18] QUESTION: remember how you all did a 24 hour community google hangout for charity ? could you tie the 2 together ? [16:18] Would a port of an already existing desktop app be acceptable? [16:20] what is the "lack of rotation support" blocker? THere is auto rotation in the MainView: file:///home/tim/dev/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/propagated/documentation/html/qml-ubuntu-components0-mainview.html#automaticOrientation-prop [16:20] What have missed so far? Have the rules been set? [16:20] just a idea lol === francisco is now known as Guest53340 [16:21] comon mike ! [16:21] bobweaver: thanks for volunteering ;) [16:21] CheeseBurg, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21710/appdev-1305-app-showdown/ [16:21] QUESTION: can a developer enter two different apps in the contest? secondly will you accept apps that started development before the start of the contest? [16:22] dpm-uds: says I do not have authentication [16:22] Does 'No direct file access' only imply on QML? [16:22] dpm-uds: I don't immediately see something missing in the list [16:23] labsin_, yes [16:23] Technical Dificulties [16:23] CheeseBurg: join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad [16:23] ok thanks [16:24] QUESTION: are Canonical employees free to join the competition? [16:25] QUESTION: you are talking about qprocess ? david ? [16:25] mhall119: Done. Still can't access the notes. [16:25] labsin_: currently you need C++ for file access [16:25] dpm-uds, mhall119 yes, I was assuming apps to be developed in the spare time :) [16:26] CheeseBurg: try refreshing now [16:26] mhall119: Yea ok works now. THANKS [16:26] I'd say if people fix the blockers for their apps, they get bonus points :) [16:27] QUESTION: Will the judging process be any different from the last showdown? [16:27] QUESTION: So is this oonly for phablet apps? [16:28] QUESTION: is the amount of money going to be 10 USD ? this is set in concrete ? [16:28] QUESTION: can you explain the judging a bit? Will developers have more chance of winning if they write prettier code? [16:29] ^ ok that's already being explained now [16:31] IDEA: There should be themes for the next contest. Like a contest purely for games, one for social apps, utility apps, map apps, etc. I understand that this is upcoming contest is for SDK purposes BUT for the next contest, you should have a specific theme, probably in the area that you believe Ubuntu is lacking apps in. [16:33] bobweaver: 10 USD PER participating app [16:33] IDEA: A good enhancement could be give the ability to the editor slit in separated windows. It will improve the productivity of dual head users. [16:33] IDEA: I think for the current contest, you should have each form factor as it's own category. Like one for phone apps, tablet apps, desktop apps, and TV apps(?). [16:35] SDK is about creating one program for all Ubuntu foms [16:36] bubbly193: +1 [16:36] But the convergence isn't there yet [16:36] CheeseBurg: it's coming [16:37] mhall119: This is true. [16:37] Will a month be enough to address these form factors within our app though? [16:37] IDEA: A good enhancement could be give the ability to the Qt creator* slit in separated windows. It will improve the productivity of dual head users. [16:38] CheeseBurg: I added that to the blockers list. But it will come :) [16:39] IDEA: A good prize idea would be the Dell XPS. You can put a condition on it that it will only be available as a prize if x amount of people enter the contest, x being whatever number you want [16:39] IDEA: gift cards to places local or online for prizes [16:40] IDEA: Ubuntu swag could also make good prizes [16:41] Then just give out nexuses as prizes [16:42] Featured app? [16:43] Bragging rights [16:43] A free add on ubuntu.com homepage [16:43] QUESTION: Will you add big adds for the App showdown to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ and http://developer.ubuntu.com/ ? [16:43] s/adds/ads [16:43] IDEA: what about Ubuntu Pens or pins for the 10 uds fee. something that will fit the margins [16:44] but I think that isn't revelent to many developers [16:44] they just want money or stuff [16:47] But since the Ubuntu store is so small I figure you need a better pull to get more developers [16:48] A month seems fine [16:49] Any rules regarding teams? [16:51] faisal-ali: How could you stop teams? [16:52] kay [16:53] I late. Did they announce date? [16:54] Robotex: Sometime August [16:54] Robotex: August [16:54] it will be mobile apps? [16:55] QUESTION: Only open source? [16:57] that sucks [16:58] ahh [16:58] any other last minute questions/feedback? [16:59] thank you [16:59] Good day! [16:59] I am very excited for the contest [16:59] excellent [16:59] nope, thank you [16:59] thank you! === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/appdev-1/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | New API documentation website | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21824/appdev-1305-api-website/ [18:02] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2b865e268d0e403c41a0fd12aa4817d8eee11940?authuser=1&hl=en for those who want to join the hangout [18:02] we'll go live in a few minutes [18:04] and we're live [18:04] again, anybody who wants to can jump on the hangout using the link above [18:06] yes [18:06] yo yo [18:08] only html/js [18:09] I'm a web developer. [18:09] https://launchpad.net/~api-website-devs [18:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-api-website/udn [18:10] We can use html5boilerplate.com [18:10] for make a responsible design === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [18:17] I'm joining [18:17] bubbly193! [18:19] bubbly193: joining the hangout? [18:19] Well. I want to help. Which area is good for getting started? [18:19] frontend? django backend? [18:20] I could help with the layout, for start. [18:20] I'm in the hangout, i have the mic problems [18:22] ok, as i said, probably my slightly antiquated hardware. It's a relatively high end mic [18:23] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/ [18:23] I can help with mockup, html, layout and templates. [18:23] ayr_ton: what's your launchpad username? [18:23] mhall119: ayrton [18:24] I can also help with HTML [18:25] mhall119: Bubbly193 [18:26] mhall119: ok. No problem. I can ping the design team later. [18:26] I found that the documentation for the application indicator and messaging menu API is out of date [18:28] ok [18:28] mhall119: Ok. Can you send me his e-mail? [18:29] cool [18:30] mhall119: I can help with juju charm too. [18:30] I'm doing some learn of juju charms recently. [18:30] mhall119: ayrton@ubuntu.com [18:31] ayr_ton: you should join the hangout since you seem to be more involved in this [18:32] ayr_ton: yes, if you can, please join [18:32] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2b865e268d0e403c41a0fd12aa4817d8eee11940?authuser=1&hl=en [18:32] nik90, mhall119: I would like it. But no camera or mic here at this time. [18:32] ;~ [18:33] too bad [18:33] A working mic [18:34] one sec [18:36] ayr_ton: can you try saying something? [18:39] is canonical requiring W3C standards be kept? === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | Core Apps in Ubuntu Touch preview images | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21709/appdev-1305-touch-image-coreapps/ [19:10] having problems conecting to the youtube vidoe, very frozen [19:10] Question: mhall119 would it make more sense to pull the terminal and file manager in with other developer tools? [19:11] Why can't we run those autopilot tests on the PS hardware & setup? [19:11] i'm back [19:15] no [19:16] like when we grab the dev tools for compilation etc [19:16] with qtc [19:16] and qt5 devel version etc [19:17] suggestion that we have apps ux designers review them as well [19:17] to approve their inclusion [19:18] and we should do code audit with other app devs or sdk devs [19:20] qtc loads it to the device [19:20] there is an option [19:21] for native compile now [19:21] this delay is tough [19:22] rsalveti, +1 to installing them by default until GA [19:23] although you could argue that 13.10 is a developer release anywya [19:23] right [19:23] but yeah, let's have them now [19:23] folks on apps team mhall119 [19:23] olivier, ugo, guenther [19:26] right [19:27] same guidelines I would say for collection [19:29] sergiusens, some collection apps could be included by default [19:29] using same criteria === hikiko-uds is now known as hikiko [19:31] hmm [19:31] pmcgowan, you should join the hangout [19:31]