[14:02] <ogra_> hmm so how do i get my hangout link
[14:03] <ogra_> hum
[14:03] <cjwatson> hi, just setting up the hangout now
[14:03] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah, thanks !
[14:03] <cjwatson> do you just want the hangout URL in channel?
[14:04] <ogra_> yeah
[14:04] <ogra_> happy to have everyone joining who likes
[14:04] <cjwatson> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/85dedc6f65e1ee1e6dbe0eaec84daf3193ff8461?authuser=1&hl=en-GB
[14:06] <ogra_> anyone else wants to join the hangout ?
[14:06] <ogra_> come on guys, we have many open seats
[14:14] <ptl> would this non-user-interaction be settable with a flag or config? like, e.g. you have an advanced user dealing with the device, maybe for testing or troubleshooting
[14:15] <ptl> and he'll have USB keyboard and mouse or something
[14:15] <ptl> maybe /etc/default/user-interaction
[14:16] <ptl> or are we talking as early as before system mounting?
[14:18] <stgraber> I'm not too sure why we'd want to encrypt the read-only system partition too, surely the only thing that makes sense to encrypt is the whole userdata partition (including system settings), which needs mounting very early on but not before we can start stuff from the rootfs
[14:18] <ptl> this setting will be the 'developer mode' then?
[14:20] <ptl> use case: display fails
[14:21] <ptl> use case: display is correctly initialized, but something in the settings or interface of the user screws up, and he can't get to the graphical interface for using the touchscreen.
[14:23] <ptl> yes, an advanced user doing maintenance
[14:25] <ptl> for device maintenance: will ubuntu touch continue using adb / fastboot or will it resort to a more early-on, basic approach like serial?
[14:33] <sergiusens> ptl: adb is staying
[14:38] <ptl> sergiusens: k, but serial would also be nice!!
[14:38] <ogra_> hard to have both :)
[14:38] <ptl> adb is not available early on
[14:38] <ptl> and fastboot?
[14:39] <ogra_> right, but to get USB serial you need the serial gadget
[14:39] <stgraber> for our stable images we expect a reboot a month at least (to apply updates)
[14:39] <ogra_> which clashes with the android gadget driver
[14:40] <ptl> I didn't even know that serial via USB without a UART was working in Linux.
[14:40] <ogra_> the g_serial module provides it
[14:40] <ogra_> but only after your kernel is up indeed
[14:40] <cjwatson> jodh: I muted you, lots of background noise
[14:40] <ogra_> not useful to debug kernel issues
[14:41] <jodh> cjwatson: thanks - sorry (noisy fans :)
[14:45] <xnox> well, one will still be able to boot into recovery
[14:45] <xnox> (i'd hope)
[14:46] <stgraber> yeah, we're planning on making pretty difficult to break both your system and recovery ;)
[14:47] <xnox> wow. there is lag of like 2-3 minutes =)
[14:50] <sergiusens> well if recovery breaks we are not doing a good job
[14:51] <ptl> yes, it seems finished... thanks for solving my doubts
[14:56] <cjwatson> ogra_: can you deal with copying things from etherpad into the bp as needed?
[14:56] <ogra_> yup
[15:00] <cjwatson> ogra_: ta
[16:02] <cjwatson> bdmurray: hm, I thought you were running the other one?
[16:02] <cjwatson> seems to be a hangout filled into summit already though ...
[16:02] <bdmurray> yeah, sorry about that
[16:03] <bdmurray> I've closed it now
[16:03] <cjwatson> OK, let's see
[16:04] <cjwatson> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/19565f29201273b95f4cb048c532c627fee7f625?authuser=1&hl=en-GB
[16:05] <stgraber> damn pulseaudio
[16:05] <cjwatson> heh
[16:05] <cjwatson> who else is joining the hangout?
[16:07] <cjwatson> Hm, the person who registered this blueprint is not here
[16:07] <cjwatson> And is not on IRC
[16:08] <cjwatson> I think this session is only useful if we have at least one of dpm-uds and pitti, and preferably the person who registered the bp
[16:09] <cjwatson> dpm-uds: are you intending to be in this session?
[16:09] <cjwatson> if not, I think we need to cancel and hold it some other time
[16:11] <dpm-uds> cjwatson, hm, I asked him to contact pitti, as I could not attend the session
[16:11] <cjwatson> Ah
[16:11] <cjwatson> I think this may be suffering planning failure
[16:11] <dpm-uds> cjwatson, if he's not there, yes, let's cancel or move it to another day
[16:12] <cjwatson> Cancelled
[16:12] <cjwatson> If the relevant people show up and complain, I'll reschedule :)
[16:13] <dpm-uds> cjwatson, got an e-mail from him a few mins ago, forwarded it to you, the tl;dr is that it's ok to cancel
[16:13] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[16:15] <guppi> QUESTION: shouldn't any disk checks be done at runtime because you don't reboot your phone all the time
[16:15] <guppi> I boot my phone about twice a year
[16:16] <stgraber> guppi: wrong irc channel I think
[16:16] <guppi> hmm yes. stupid webchat
[16:16] <guppi> thanks
[18:08] <dpm-uds> If anyone wants to join the hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e138b8f4a58e084520dcea5aa7d8ead86a7c4ef7
[18:15] <dpm-uds> It seems that the delay is quite long again, so in case you've got any feedback on ways in which Friends could be more useful for app devs
[18:15] <ssweeny-uds> will the poster widget support image uploads?
[18:17] <kenvandine> ssweeny-uds, have you seen share-app?
[18:17] <kenvandine> it does that, but we could generalize it
[18:18] <ssweeny-uds> i like that etherpad gives me an answer before the video :)
[18:18] <ssweeny-uds> kenvandine: no i haven't used share-app yet
[18:36] <kenvandine> ssweeny-uds, how's statusnet support?
[18:37] <ssweeny-uds> kenvandine: i'm working harder on pump since identica is switching on june 1
[18:37] <kenvandine> true
[18:37] <robru> ssweeny-uds, glad to hear somebodys' on that, it's entirely escaped me
[18:37] <ssweeny-uds> kenvandine: pump protocol support is coming along. i think i'm close :)
[18:38] <ssweeny-uds> i'm a bit stumped on the accounts part though. my gtk+-fu is weak
[18:43] <dpm-uds> ssweeny-uds, mardy can probably help there
[18:44] <bobweaver> there is google plus plugins ?
[18:44] <kenvandine> bobweaver, no... we can't :/
[18:44] <kenvandine> no API for it
[18:44] <ssweeny-uds> the lag is two or three minutes in this session i think
[18:47] <bobweaver> you all have looked at this ? https://developers.google.com/+/api/latest/
[18:48] <bobweaver> videos keeps craching
[18:48] <bobweaver> I am sure that this was a couple of minutes ago
[18:49] <kenvandine> bobweaver, you can't get a list of people in your circles
[18:49] <bobweaver> :(
[18:49] <bobweaver> its back
[18:49] <bobweaver> the hangout that is
[18:49] <kenvandine> so you can get a public stream for a user if you know the userId
[18:49] <kenvandine> we ended it ;)
[18:49] <dpm-uds> bobweaver, yeah, the issue is that there is lots of GET, but not much to write to :/
[18:49] <kenvandine> but you can't get a list of userIds in your circles
[18:49] <kenvandine> so it's pretty useless :/
[18:49] <bobweaver> all Get and no Post makes bobby sad
[18:50] <kenvandine> i would even like useful Get :)
[18:50] <bobweaver> lol
[18:50] <kenvandine> but right now pretty much all you can do is a get a feed of your own activity
[18:50] <kenvandine> which isn't that interesting... far less interesting that what bobweaver does :)
[18:52] <bobweaver> Cool session guys keep it up it is moving along nice. Thanks for all the time you put in :)
[18:58] <kenvandine> bobweaver, thx... btw i haven't fogotten about your docs branch
[19:03] <bobweaver> kenvandine,  cool yeah it needs some work but it works for me :)
[19:04] <Cimi> dpm-uds, can I be invited to the hangout?
[19:05] <dpm-uds> Cimi, sure: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6ae9a7d789b27fc10e440d44094c83284b4a8d68
[19:05] <dpm-uds> if anyone else wants to join ^^
[19:07] <dpm-uds> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1305-calendaring
[19:12] <TheMuso> Wow, I'm impressed that EDS was chosen as the backend.
[19:18] <OveRisberg> What about integration with exchange? This is a requirement for many enterprise users.
[19:23] <TheMuso> I think eds supports caldav so that support would also be good.
[19:25] <kenvandine> eds now has support for ubuntu online accounts too
[19:26] <kenvandine> so adding a google account will give you calendar and contacts for free
[19:28] <TheMuso> kenvandine: Sweet!
[19:30] <renato_> kenvandine, do you know that if the EDS google plugin works offline? if it persist the changes to sync when became online
[19:31] <renato_> or event if the contacts is visible when offline
[19:31] <kenvandine> renato_, i don't know for sure
[19:31] <kenvandine> but i would suspect it would work offline
[19:32] <kenvandine> generally how EDS works, it's a sync
[19:32] <kenvandine> everything in evolution works offline, so i think it has to be a sync
[19:35] <dpm-uds> any other feedback on the calendar backend or the calendar app?
[19:37] <Michel> Any collaboration ideas?
[19:37] <kenvandine> bfiller, sure
[19:38] <bfiller> kenvandine: awesome
[19:38] <kenvandine> bfiller, easy... it is already there in 3.8 :)
[19:38] <kenvandine> i just haven't tried it myself
[19:38] <bfiller> kenvandine: is 3.8 in saucy?
[19:38] <kenvandine> not yet
[19:38] <kenvandine> i don't think
[19:39] <kenvandine> but it will be if it isn't
[19:39] <TheMuso> There are plans to move to GNOME 3.8 in saucy, so I say it is only a matter of time.