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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-1 to: Track: Client | Hybrid graphics support strategy planning | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21742/client-s-hybrid-graphics/ | ||
| seb128 | hey | 13:57 |
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| ara | hi all | 14:01 |
| mlankhorst | who has the echo? | 14:02 |
| mlankhorst | and youtube loaded | 14:02 |
| erappleman|drone | albert is echoing i think | 14:02 |
| ara | who has the echo? | 14:03 |
| mlankhorst | https://lwn.net/Articles/548909/ | 14:03 |
| ara | tseliot1, do you have the youtube stream opened? | 14:03 |
| tjaalton | ara: you want to join? | 14:03 |
| tseliot1 | ara: yes, but I stopped it | 14:04 |
| ara | tjaalton, sure, thanks | 14:04 |
| apw | tjaalton, your keyboard is very loud | 14:05 |
| tjaalton | apw: I'm not typing :) | 14:07 |
| tjaalton | whoops | 14:07 |
| chiluk | are you talking about primus? or optimus through the nvidia blob? | 14:07 |
| erappleman | the blob | 14:08 |
| kgunn | usually gpu's render in a reverse N shape | 14:08 |
| erappleman | nouveau can benefit | 14:08 |
| kgunn | that's probably what you're seeing | 14:08 |
| kgunn | vsync is not really sync'd w/ gpu render complete | 14:08 |
| mlankhorst | kgunn: it's not the same as vblank either | 14:09 |
| hlh | tseliot1: we can speak with the radeon group mgr tomorrow | 14:11 |
| tseliot1 | hlh: good point | 14:11 |
| mlankhorst | oops, i added tseliot1 to ignore instead of muting | 14:12 |
| mlankhorst | how do i unignore? | 14:12 |
| erappleman | alex and amd aren't being open about their dma_buf approach? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, what do you mean ignore? or from your side? | 14:12 |
| erappleman | or is -radeon fine? | 14:13 |
| mlankhorst | seb128: from my side I think | 14:13 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, maybe leave and rejoin? | 14:13 |
| seb128 | as a workaround | 14:13 |
| tseliot1 | mlankhorst: hover the cursor on my face and click on the 2nd icon | 14:13 |
| mlankhorst | You can't join this hangout because you blocked one of the participants. Why not start your own hangout? | 14:13 |
| mlankhorst | o.O | 14:13 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:13 |
| tjaalton | haha | 14:14 |
| ara | nice | 14:14 |
| mlankhorst | fail lol | 14:15 |
| mlankhorst | how do I unblock someone seriously | 14:15 |
| FourDollars | @_@a | 14:15 |
| tseliot1 | seb128: can you invite Maarten again, please? | 14:16 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, maybe go to his profile page? | 14:16 |
| erappleman|drone | xorg session mentioned that optimus mir was not even on the radar. i'd be glad to be a guinea pig | 14:16 |
| mlankhorst | seb128: and now google plus complains I didn't block anyone | 14:17 |
| seb128 | tseliot1, mlankhorst: tried to send an invitation | 14:17 |
| xranby_ | how to test for tearing like the X quadrants? | 14:17 |
| erappleman|drone | who knew hanging out could be so hard | 14:18 |
| * mlankhorst logged in from canonical account | 14:18 | |
| chiluk | Is there a reason we are not shipping bumblebee or at least bbswitch modules ? | 14:18 |
| mlankhorst | it cannot be supported | 14:18 |
| chiluk | the power benefits of bbswitch along warrant inclusion. | 14:18 |
| apw | has anyone committed to mir supporting hybrid configurations in the near term ? | 14:19 |
| erappleman|drone | nvidia-prime package would be always on. not sure what dri_prime=1 is doing these days | 14:19 |
| FourDollars | \^o^/ | 14:19 |
| erappleman|drone | apw, i'm going to be testing as bits land. i think maarten will be doing all the magic :) | 14:20 |
| apw | erappleman|drone, the X session commentary implied it was not on the roadmap at yet | 14:21 |
| erappleman|drone | i read the logs. if i can get it to work, that's one thing. if it can't be done without doing ridiculously hackish things that's another | 14:23 |
| erappleman|drone | with respect to lightdm, will gdm and gnome team be able to do something similar? | 14:24 |
| mlankhorst | any more questions? | 14:35 |
| erappleman|drone | will gnome edition and kubuntu be able to take advantage of this work? | 14:37 |
| jmleddy | mlankhorst: what like crazy? | 14:37 |
| mlankhorst | tearing | 14:37 |
| hlh | jmleddy: hey - we should add this question to tomorrow's mtg agenda - both to Tim as well as Jammy | 14:38 |
| jmleddy | yeah | 14:38 |
| hlh | jmleddy: reference the video/notes of this session probably as well | 14:39 |
| hlh | jmleddy: and put it out so that tim has time to ping alex about it :) | 14:39 |
| hlh | jmleddy: I'll do that as a special agenda point | 14:40 |
| hlh | +1 | 14:42 |
| tjaalton | thanks folks | 14:43 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-1 to: Track: Client | Support for convertibles and touch screen on Ubuntu desktop | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21736/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop/ | ||
| seb128 | tkamppeter, hey, is the coming session (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop), yours? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, hangout url https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e1f469f457b9603e41b963690d7a3bc02e2056f6?authuser=0 | 15:02 |
| seb128 | stream one: http://youtu.be/hKaeA8D3bMU | 15:02 |
| aaronp | Sorry I missed the hybrid graphics thing. I'll watch the video to see if there was any action for me. | 15:03 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, I'm away a few minutes but the hangout is open, who is coming? | 15:03 |
| mlankhorst | not much | 15:04 |
| ara | hello | 15:05 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, I have connected to the hangout. | 15:06 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, ok, who is supposed to join? | 15:06 |
| tkamppeter | seb128: mlankhorst and who has to do with X and who has to do with Touch see Blueprint. | 15:07 |
| tkamppeter | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop | 15:07 |
| CheeseBurg | Hello? | 15:08 |
| seb128 | hey | 15:08 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, can you write up the stuff? | 15:09 |
| CheeseBurg | This is the touchscreen thing right? | 15:09 |
| ara | is the video supposed to be live now? I cannot see anything | 15:09 |
| smagoun | seb128: have we started the touch on convertibles/desktop session? Youtube is not liv | 15:09 |
| asac | me neither | 15:09 |
| smagoun | *live | 15:09 |
| smagoun | I see youtube video now | 15:10 |
| ara | ok, I see it now | 15:10 |
| seb128 | smagoun, right, but not a lot of people there | 15:10 |
| CheeseBurg | Yea it is up now | 15:10 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to get some of the xorg guys | 15:10 |
| CheeseBurg | So how is everyone doing? :) | 15:11 |
| seb128 | do you get echo as well? | 15:11 |
| smagoun | no echo in youtube | 15:12 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | it should be all the same with unity-next | 15:17 |
| tvoss | agreed | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | no point in working on it with the current unity | 15:18 |
| tvoss | kenvandine, +1 | 15:18 |
| TheMuso | I'd agree with that. | 15:19 |
| TheMuso | /session. :p | 15:19 |
| tvoss | seb128, ping | 15:19 |
| seb128 | tvoss, pong (sorry my computer is starting to swap and laaaggggg) | 15:20 |
| asac | seb128: killall chromium-browser | 15:20 |
| asac | :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | tvoss, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e1f469f457b9603e41b963690d7a3bc02e2056f6?authuser=0 | 15:21 |
| seb128 | asac, using firefox | 15:21 |
| asac | s/c.*er/firefox/ | 15:21 |
| seb128 | maybe it's my issue | 15:21 |
| asac | yeah ... use chromium for hangouts and google mail, docs etc. and ffox for the rest | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | the *new normal* of course | 15:22 |
| seb128 | bah | 15:22 |
| asac | probs | 15:22 |
| seb128 | hangout closed | 15:22 |
| Saviq | ouch | 15:22 |
| seb128 | back | 15:22 |
| ptl | ouch (2) | 15:22 |
| asac | you can continue | 15:22 |
| asac | not for me | 15:23 |
| asac | u are not live | 15:23 |
| FourDollars | @_@a | 15:23 |
| ara | back | 15:23 |
| asac | ack | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | oh joy... i guess google IO gets higher priority than UDS :) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, likely... | 15:24 |
| FourDollars | Google I/O does not start yet. | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | the normal desktop will be ubuntu touch | 15:25 |
| TheMuso | /c | 15:25 |
| timchen119 | is it just me or it keep stop and start | 15:25 |
| seb128 | bah, can't open the hangout toolbox for some reason | 15:26 |
| TheMuso | ...and this is why I am personally very much against using a web browser for generalist things, like... Oh I dunno, video. :) | 15:26 |
| ara | QUESTION: what time frame are we talking about, JohnLea (for gestures to be implemented in the desktop) | 15:26 |
| ara | all gestures, this is | 15:27 |
| FourDollars | timchen119: My youtube streaming is OK | 15:28 |
| timchen119 | FourDollars, thanks it seems ok for me now | 15:28 |
| JohnLea | ara; well basically we will have to re-build almost all the desktop functionality from Unity 7 in Unity 8, and this project is not going to really start until the Phone is delivered. So not for a while yet | 15:28 |
| JohnLea | ara; we are not adding new touch functionality to Unity 7 | 15:29 |
| ara | JohnLea, thanks | 15:29 |
| TheMuso | There is a session later this week about unity 7. | 15:32 |
| TheMuso | But yeah, as is being said, bug fixes only. | 15:32 |
| mariuskot | Till, it works for me with two fingers to scroll | 15:35 |
| asac | error here now | 15:41 |
| asac | was on my side it seems | 15:41 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-1 to: Track: Client | Touch System Settings | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21780/client-s-touch-system-settings/ | ||
| mardy | seb128: do you have the link for the hangout? | 16:01 |
| seb128 | mardy, setting it up | 16:02 |
| seb128 | shrug, my machine is in swap mode again, hate Dell | 16:03 |
| lool | (unfortunately can't make it to this one as I'll be in power mgmt in foundations 1) | 16:03 |
| seb128 | mardy, tedg, kenvandine: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0 | 16:05 |
| tedg | charles, Are you going to join the hangout? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | charles, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0 | 16:10 |
| seb128 | if you want to join | 16:10 |
| charles | seb128: I'll be right there | 16:10 |
| olli | seb128, do we need somebody from phonedations? | 16:12 |
| olli | is chicken there? | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | no chicken here | 16:12 |
| seb128 | olli, he's not there, not sure if we need him | 16:12 |
| seb128 | I don't think we will cover specific details of individual panels | 16:12 |
| tedg | mpt? | 16:12 |
| tedg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings | 16:12 |
| olli | pmcgowan, ^ | 16:12 |
| seb128 | we will rather cover the design/infrastructure | 16:13 |
| tedg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings/Architecture | 16:13 |
| mardy | team: https://launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch | 16:30 |
| mardy | tedg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings | 16:30 |
| Laney | so we'll get some kind of "Hello World" plugin? | 16:32 |
| Saviq | tedg, mardy: do we yet have a place where to put the widgets common between settings and indicators? | 16:32 |
| tedg | Saviq, Well, I thought you had the action to set that up :-) | 16:32 |
| tedg | Saviq, I've built the wiki page for listing it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemComponents | 16:33 |
| Saviq | tedg, k, can you put an action item for me about that? | 16:33 |
| tedg | Saviq, DONE! | 16:34 |
| Laney | I can't tell from the docs what the plugin interface is / what the plugins do | 16:37 |
| Laney | like when might I have to write my own? Background settings keeps coming up - how does that get integrated? | 16:37 |
| Laney | seb's asking questions at the right level for me | 16:38 |
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| mardy | seb128: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html | 16:39 |
| lool | seb128: you can apt-get source some of the -declarative packages too | 16:40 |
| Saviq | QUESTION: what about i18n? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | mardy, https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/proto ? | 16:41 |
| Laney | please address IRC questions! | 16:41 |
| Saviq | there was a QUESTION from Laney before↑↑↑ | 16:41 |
| Laney | it seems like there's some significant lag between IRC and the streem | 16:42 |
| Saviq | jeez I've like 2 mins lag on the video... | 16:42 |
| Laney | 1 minute ish for me | 16:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, want to join the hangout? | 16:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0 | 16:42 |
| ayr_ton | IDEA: user-accounts in system settings. | 16:42 |
| Laney | ok | 16:42 |
| Saviq | thanks | 16:43 |
| Laney | I'm going to get crossed wires | 16:43 |
| pmcgowan | Yes cannot get in kenvandine | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, :/ | 16:50 |
| alex-abreu | kenvandine, yes no etherpad | 16:51 |
| mardy | http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html | 16:52 |
| Saviq | http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html#list-items | 16:52 |
| charles | thanks Saviq :) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp#Settings | 16:54 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/client-1/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-client-1 | ||
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-1 to: Track: Client | Current status and plans of scopes | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21797/client-1305-scopes/ | ||
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| Guest93018 | Hello everyone | 18:01 |
| seb128 | hey Guest93018 | 18:02 |
| jamesh | hi | 18:03 |
| Guest93018 | we talk about unity? | 18:03 |
| gema | anyone driving this session? | 18:08 |
| gema | no video yet | 18:08 |
| fugue88 | \o/ | 18:09 |
| gema | o/ | 18:09 |
| pstolowski | gema: try reload | 18:09 |
| gema | it's there now | 18:09 |
| fugue88 | Really bad echo. | 18:09 |
| olli | fugue88, still? | 18:10 |
| kgunn | no echo here | 18:10 |
| fugue88 | Like 90% amplitude, delay of about 2 seconds. | 18:10 |
| fugue88 | olli: Yes. This is on the youtube channel. | 18:10 |
| fugue88 | Oh wait. | 18:10 |
| fugue88 | I had 2 streams running. | 18:11 |
| olli | fugue88, stream looks ok here | 18:11 |
| olli | sounds even ;) | 18:11 |
| fugue88 | olli: Yep, it's good. | 18:11 |
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| pstolowski | David's scopes project: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-scopes | 18:13 |
| davidcalle | Which is moving to https://launchpad.net/unity-scopes, piece by piece | 18:14 |
| davidcalle | Also, the WIP Scopes Browser link : http://framli.eu/scopes_browser/ | 18:15 |
| jamesh | The prototype code we used to test out Go is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesh/+junk/go-scope-test/files -- it only covers enough of the API necessary for me to do a few benchmarks | 18:22 |
| Saviq | QUESTION: apart from result TTL, do you think a very small query of "is there anything new since time xyz" could be supported? like when a local scope knows that its data has changed (or not) since time xyz? | 18:27 |
| PitiDidi | QUESTION: will the smart scope be aware of the interests of a user. Example. you type "car". well, for a graphical designer probably it is more interesting to get more "images" or other graphical related results. While an engeneer is maybe more interested about car news etc.... | 18:28 |
| PitiDidi | QUESTION: do the scopes support "smart" words... for example detecting expressions like "how to" "when" "where" etc... and then based on this expressions will change the results based on that? | 18:30 |
| Saviq | aquarius_uds, just asking to reduce unnecessary queries | 18:30 |
| Saviq | aquarius_uds, TTL is one thing, but the scopes (especially local ones) would usually know whether it makes sense to refresh it every TTL | 18:31 |
| PitiDidi | QUESTION: if the server is not aware then at least the client side tracks the "interests" to re-filter on the client side? | 18:31 |
| Saviq | aquarius_uds, could barely hear you, but to some extent yeah, it's caching, but yeah, since scopes are supposed to be shut down... probably doesn't make sense | 18:33 |
| pmcgowan | olli, is anyone capturing the notes of these updates and q&a | 18:33 |
| PitiDidi | i understand, but Im not suggesting that it axes other results out... i mean based on interests you get a tendency or favorism to certain result-types based on your past behaviour. | 18:34 |
| pmcgowan | sorry to ask so late ;( | 18:35 |
| PitiDidi | if you have to hard configure stuff like that then you lose kind of the "smart" of the "smart scopes" ;) don't you think so? | 18:37 |
| olli | pmcgowan, np, appreciate the pointer ;) | 18:37 |
| davidcalle | http://framli.eu/scopes_browser/# | 18:44 |
| Saviq | o/ | 18:48 |
| olli | we'll get the etherpad updated | 18:48 |
| pmcgowan | thanks | 18:49 |
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