[13:57] <seb128> hey
[14:01] <ara> hi all
[14:02] <mlankhorst> who has the echo?
[14:02] <mlankhorst> and youtube loaded
[14:02] <erappleman|drone> albert is echoing i think
[14:03] <ara> who has the echo?
[14:03] <mlankhorst> https://lwn.net/Articles/548909/
[14:03] <ara> tseliot1, do you have the youtube stream opened?
[14:03] <tjaalton> ara: you want to join?
[14:04] <tseliot1> ara: yes, but I stopped it
[14:04] <ara> tjaalton, sure, thanks
[14:05] <apw> tjaalton, your keyboard is very loud
[14:07] <tjaalton> apw: I'm not typing :)
[14:07] <tjaalton> whoops
[14:07] <chiluk> are you talking about primus? or optimus through the nvidia blob?
[14:08] <erappleman> the blob
[14:08] <kgunn> usually gpu's render in a reverse N shape
[14:08] <erappleman> nouveau can benefit
[14:08] <kgunn> that's probably what you're seeing
[14:08] <kgunn> vsync is not really sync'd w/ gpu render complete
[14:09] <mlankhorst> kgunn: it's not the same as vblank either
[14:11] <hlh> tseliot1: we can speak with the radeon group mgr tomorrow
[14:11] <tseliot1> hlh: good point
[14:12] <mlankhorst> oops, i added tseliot1 to ignore instead of muting
[14:12] <mlankhorst> how do i unignore?
[14:12] <erappleman> alex and amd aren't being open about their dma_buf approach?
[14:12] <seb128> mlankhorst, what do you mean ignore? or from your side?
[14:13] <erappleman> or is -radeon fine?
[14:13] <mlankhorst> seb128: from my side I think
[14:13] <seb128> mlankhorst, maybe leave and rejoin?
[14:13] <seb128> as a workaround
[14:13] <tseliot1> mlankhorst: hover the cursor on my face and click on the 2nd icon
[14:13] <mlankhorst> You can't join this hangout because you blocked one of the participants. Why not start your own hangout?
[14:13] <mlankhorst> o.O
[14:13] <seb128> :-(
[14:14] <tjaalton> haha
[14:14] <ara> nice
[14:15] <mlankhorst> fail lol
[14:15] <mlankhorst> how do I unblock someone seriously
[14:15] <FourDollars> @_@a
[14:16] <tseliot1> seb128: can you invite Maarten again, please?
[14:16] <seb128> mlankhorst, maybe go to his profile page?
[14:16] <erappleman|drone> xorg session mentioned that optimus mir was not even on the radar. i'd be glad to be a guinea pig
[14:17] <mlankhorst> seb128: and now google plus complains I didn't block anyone
[14:17] <seb128> tseliot1, mlankhorst: tried to send an invitation
[14:17] <xranby_> how to test for tearing like the X quadrants?
[14:18] <erappleman|drone> who knew hanging out could be so hard
[14:18]  * mlankhorst logged in from canonical account
[14:18] <chiluk> Is there a reason we are not shipping bumblebee or at least bbswitch modules ?
[14:18] <mlankhorst> it cannot be supported
[14:18] <chiluk> the power benefits of bbswitch along warrant inclusion.
[14:19] <apw> has anyone committed to mir supporting hybrid configurations in the near term ?
[14:19] <erappleman|drone> nvidia-prime package would be always on. not sure what dri_prime=1 is doing these days
[14:19] <FourDollars> \^o^/
[14:20] <erappleman|drone> apw, i'm going to be testing as bits land. i think maarten will be doing all the magic :)
[14:21] <apw> erappleman|drone, the X session commentary implied it was not on the roadmap at yet
[14:23] <erappleman|drone> i read the logs. if i can get it to work, that's one thing. if it can't be done without doing ridiculously hackish things that's another
[14:24] <erappleman|drone> with respect to lightdm, will gdm and gnome team be able to do something similar?
[14:35] <mlankhorst> any more questions?
[14:37] <erappleman|drone> will gnome edition and kubuntu be able to take advantage of this work?
[14:37] <jmleddy> mlankhorst: what like crazy?
[14:37] <mlankhorst> tearing
[14:38] <hlh> jmleddy: hey - we should add this question to tomorrow's mtg agenda - both to Tim as well as Jammy
[14:38] <jmleddy> yeah
[14:39] <hlh> jmleddy: reference the video/notes of this session probably as well
[14:39] <hlh> jmleddy: and put it out so that tim has time to ping alex about it :)
[14:40] <hlh> jmleddy: I'll do that as a special agenda point
[14:42] <hlh> +1
[14:43] <tjaalton> thanks folks
[15:01] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, is the coming session (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop), yours?
[15:02] <seb128> tkamppeter, hangout url https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e1f469f457b9603e41b963690d7a3bc02e2056f6?authuser=0
[15:02] <seb128> stream one: http://youtu.be/hKaeA8D3bMU
[15:03] <aaronp> Sorry I missed the hybrid graphics thing.  I'll watch the video to see if there was any action for me.
[15:03] <seb128> tkamppeter, I'm away a few minutes but the hangout is open, who is coming?
[15:04] <mlankhorst> not much
[15:05] <ara> hello
[15:06] <tkamppeter> seb128, I have connected to the hangout.
[15:06] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, who is supposed to join?
[15:07] <tkamppeter> seb128: mlankhorst and who has to do with X and who has to do with Touch see Blueprint.
[15:07] <tkamppeter> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-convertibles-and-touch-desktop
[15:08] <CheeseBurg> Hello?
[15:08] <seb128> hey
[15:09] <tkamppeter> seb128, can you write up the stuff?
[15:09] <CheeseBurg> This is the touchscreen thing right?
[15:09] <ara> is the video supposed to be live now? I cannot see anything
[15:09] <smagoun> seb128: have we started the touch on convertibles/desktop session? Youtube is not liv
[15:09] <asac> me neither
[15:09] <smagoun> *live
[15:10] <smagoun> I see youtube video now
[15:10] <ara> ok, I see it now
[15:10] <seb128> smagoun, right, but not a lot of people there
[15:10] <CheeseBurg> Yea it is up now
[15:10] <seb128> I'm trying to get some of the xorg guys
[15:11] <CheeseBurg> So how is everyone doing? :)
[15:11] <seb128> do you get echo as well?
[15:12] <smagoun> no echo in youtube
[15:12] <seb128> ok
[15:17] <kenvandine> it should be all the same with unity-next
[15:18] <tvoss> agreed
[15:18] <kenvandine> no point in working on it with the current unity
[15:18] <tvoss> kenvandine, +1
[15:19] <TheMuso> I'd agree with that.
[15:19] <TheMuso>  /session. :p
[15:19] <tvoss> seb128, ping
[15:20] <seb128> tvoss, pong (sorry my computer is starting to swap and laaaggggg)
[15:20] <asac> seb128: killall chromium-browser
[15:20] <asac> :)
[15:21] <seb128> tvoss, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e1f469f457b9603e41b963690d7a3bc02e2056f6?authuser=0
[15:21] <seb128> asac, using firefox
[15:21] <asac> s/c.*er/firefox/
[15:21] <seb128> maybe it's my issue
[15:21] <asac> yeah ... use chromium for hangouts and google mail, docs etc. and ffox for the rest
[15:22] <kenvandine> the *new normal* of course
[15:22] <seb128> bah
[15:22] <asac> probs
[15:22] <seb128> hangout closed
[15:22] <Saviq> ouch
[15:22] <seb128> back
[15:22] <ptl> ouch (2)
[15:22] <asac> you can continue
[15:23] <asac> not for me
[15:23] <asac> u are not live
[15:23] <FourDollars> @_@a
[15:23] <ara> back
[15:23] <asac> ack
[15:24] <kenvandine> oh joy... i guess google IO gets higher priority than UDS :)
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, likely...
[15:25] <FourDollars> Google I/O does not start yet.
[15:25] <kenvandine> the normal desktop will be ubuntu touch
[15:25] <TheMuso> /c
[15:25] <timchen119> is it just me or it keep stop and start
[15:26] <seb128> bah, can't open the hangout toolbox for some reason
[15:26] <TheMuso> ...and this is why I am personally very much against using a web browser for generalist things, like... Oh I dunno, video. :)
[15:26] <ara> QUESTION: what time frame are we talking about, JohnLea (for gestures to be implemented in the desktop)
[15:27] <ara> all gestures, this is
[15:28] <FourDollars> timchen119: My youtube streaming is OK
[15:28] <timchen119> FourDollars, thanks it seems ok for me now
[15:28] <JohnLea> ara; well basically we will have to re-build almost all the desktop functionality from Unity 7 in Unity 8, and this project is not going to really start until the Phone is delivered.  So not for a while yet
[15:29] <JohnLea> ara; we are not adding new touch functionality to Unity 7
[15:29] <ara> JohnLea, thanks
[15:32] <TheMuso> There is a session later this week about unity 7.
[15:32] <TheMuso> But yeah, as is being said, bug fixes only.
[15:35] <mariuskot> Till, it works for me with two fingers to scroll
[15:41] <asac> error here now
[15:41] <asac> was on my side it seems
[16:01] <mardy> seb128: do you have the link for the hangout?
[16:02] <seb128> mardy, setting it up
[16:03] <seb128> shrug, my machine is in swap mode again, hate Dell
[16:03] <lool> (unfortunately can't make it to this one as I'll be in power mgmt in foundations 1)
[16:05] <seb128> mardy, tedg, kenvandine: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0
[16:09] <tedg> charles, Are you going to join the hangout?
[16:10] <seb128> charles, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0
[16:10] <seb128> if you want to join
[16:10] <charles> seb128: I'll be right there
[16:12] <olli> seb128, do we need somebody from phonedations?
[16:12] <olli> is chicken there?
[16:12] <kenvandine> no chicken here
[16:12] <seb128> olli, he's not there, not sure if we need him
[16:12] <seb128> I don't think we will cover specific details of individual panels
[16:12] <tedg> mpt?
[16:12] <tedg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings
[16:12] <olli> pmcgowan, ^
[16:13] <seb128> we will rather cover the design/infrastructure
[16:13] <tedg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings/Architecture
[16:30] <mardy> team: https://launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch
[16:30] <mardy> tedg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings
[16:32] <Laney> so we'll get some kind of "Hello World" plugin?
[16:32] <Saviq> tedg, mardy: do we yet have a place where to put the widgets common between settings and indicators?
[16:32] <tedg> Saviq, Well, I thought you had the action to set that up :-)
[16:33] <tedg> Saviq, I've built the wiki page for listing it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemComponents
[16:33] <Saviq> tedg, k, can you put an action item for me about that?
[16:34] <tedg> Saviq, DONE!
[16:37] <Laney> I can't tell from the docs what the plugin interface is / what the plugins do
[16:37] <Laney> like when might I have to write my own? Background settings keeps coming up - how does that get integrated?
[16:38] <Laney> seb's asking questions at the right level for me
[16:39] <mardy> seb128: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html
[16:40] <lool> seb128: you can apt-get source some of the -declarative packages too
[16:41] <Saviq> QUESTION: what about i18n?
[16:41] <seb128> mardy, https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/proto ?
[16:41] <Laney> please address IRC questions!
[16:41] <Saviq> there was a QUESTION from Laney before↑↑↑
[16:42] <Laney> it seems like there's some significant lag between IRC and the streem
[16:42] <Saviq> jeez I've like 2 mins lag on the video...
[16:42] <Laney> 1 minute ish for me
[16:42] <seb128> Laney, want to join the hangout?
[16:42] <seb128> Laney, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1403f3911557e5a48a82c8c1a9f13dd9c5bb1f7c?authuser=0
[16:42] <ayr_ton> IDEA: user-accounts in system settings.
[16:42] <Laney> ok
[16:43] <Saviq> thanks
[16:43] <Laney> I'm going to get crossed wires
[16:50] <pmcgowan> Yes cannot get in kenvandine
[16:50] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, :/
[16:51] <alex-abreu> kenvandine, yes no etherpad
[16:52] <mardy> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html
[16:52] <Saviq> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html#list-items
[16:53] <charles> thanks Saviq :)
[16:54] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp#Settings
[18:01] <Guest93018> Hello everyone
[18:02] <seb128> hey Guest93018
[18:03] <jamesh> hi
[18:03] <Guest93018> we talk about unity?
[18:08] <gema> anyone driving this session?
[18:08] <gema> no video yet
[18:09] <fugue88> \o/
[18:09] <gema> o/
[18:09] <pstolowski> gema: try reload
[18:09] <gema> it's there now
[18:09] <fugue88> Really bad echo.
[18:10] <olli> fugue88, still?
[18:10] <kgunn> no echo here
[18:10] <fugue88> Like 90% amplitude, delay of about 2 seconds.
[18:10] <fugue88> olli: Yes.  This is on the youtube channel.
[18:10] <fugue88> Oh wait.
[18:11] <fugue88> I had 2 streams running.
[18:11] <olli> fugue88, stream looks ok here
[18:11] <olli> sounds even ;)
[18:11] <fugue88> olli: Yep, it's good.
[18:13] <pstolowski> David's scopes project: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-scopes
[18:14] <davidcalle> Which is moving to https://launchpad.net/unity-scopes, piece by piece
[18:15] <davidcalle> Also, the WIP Scopes Browser link : http://framli.eu/scopes_browser/
[18:22] <jamesh> The prototype code we used to test out Go is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesh/+junk/go-scope-test/files -- it only covers enough of the API necessary for me to do a few benchmarks
[18:27] <Saviq> QUESTION: apart from result TTL, do you think a very small query of "is there anything new since time xyz" could be supported? like when a local scope knows that its data has changed (or not) since time xyz?
[18:28] <PitiDidi> QUESTION: will the smart scope be aware of the interests of a user. Example. you type "car". well, for a graphical designer probably it is more interesting to get more "images" or other graphical related results. While an engeneer is maybe more interested about car news etc....
[18:30] <PitiDidi> QUESTION: do the scopes support "smart" words... for example detecting expressions like "how to" "when" "where" etc... and then based on this expressions will change the results based on that?
[18:30] <Saviq> aquarius_uds, just asking to reduce unnecessary queries
[18:31] <Saviq> aquarius_uds, TTL is one thing, but the scopes (especially local ones) would usually know whether it makes sense to refresh it every TTL
[18:31] <PitiDidi> QUESTION: if the server is not aware then at least the client side tracks the "interests" to re-filter on the client side?
[18:33] <Saviq> aquarius_uds, could barely hear you, but to some extent yeah, it's caching, but yeah, since scopes are supposed to be shut down... probably doesn't make sense
[18:33] <pmcgowan> olli, is anyone capturing the notes of these updates and q&a
[18:34] <PitiDidi> i understand, but Im not suggesting that it axes other results out... i mean based on interests you get a tendency or favorism to certain result-types based on your past behaviour.
[18:35] <pmcgowan> sorry to ask so late ;(
[18:37] <PitiDidi> if you have to hard configure stuff like that then you lose kind of the "smart" of the "smart scopes" ;) don't you think so?
[18:37] <olli> pmcgowan, np, appreciate the pointer ;)
[18:44] <davidcalle> http://framli.eu/scopes_browser/#
[18:48] <Saviq> o/
[18:48] <olli> we'll get the etherpad updated
[18:49] <pmcgowan> thanks