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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Applications Development of UbuntuKylin | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21765/client-1305-ubuntukylin-applications-development/ | ||
| Guest77794 | TigerLuo | 13:51 |
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| JackYu | hi, all | 13:54 |
| csslayer | hi | 13:54 |
| JackYu | csslayer, hi | 13:55 |
| TigerLuo | hi | 13:55 |
| JackYu | ypwong, it seems that my VPN got some problem, would you please help to chair the session first. | 13:57 |
| maclin | csslayer, hi | 14:01 |
| csslayer | maclin: sorry for interrupt.. is there a link for hangout? | 14:15 |
| maclin | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3f399901093affca6063d4113420c6417b76ccef?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:15 |
| jzheng | csslayer, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3f399901093affca6063d4113420c6417b76ccef?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:15 |
| csslayer | maclin: thanks! | 14:18 |
| jzheng | csslayer, discussion is taken following "Whiteboard" on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+spec/client-1305-ubuntukylin-applications-development | 14:18 |
| maclin | csslayer:welcome | 14:19 |
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| PHLin | Some personal suggestion: mute you mic when you're not talking | 14:25 |
| PHLin | Background noise is annoying | 14:25 |
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| app_ | 总结work item 没有 | 14:57 |
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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | UbuntuKylin Images | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21755/client-1305-ubuntukylin-images/ | ||
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| smartboyhw_ | Hi UbuntuKylin people;) | 15:01 |
| kgunn | I would think you would want to support ARM | 15:10 |
| liuxingapp | may be | 15:11 |
| ypwong | http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ | 15:12 |
| kgunn | i assume you will want to support ubuntu touch in the near future as well | 15:15 |
| liuxingapp | i think so it will support ubuntu touch ,may be develop app for ubuntu touch for chinese | 15:16 |
| kgunn | today ubuntu touch development is happening on ARM | 15:16 |
| kgunn | for the following devices | 15:16 |
| kgunn | galaxy nexus & nexus4 | 15:17 |
| liuxingapp | yeah | 15:17 |
| kgunn | it might be possible for you to leverage all that work (kernel/bootloader etc) | 15:17 |
| kgunn | and test against those devices | 15:17 |
| liuxingapp | yes test nexus4 | 15:17 |
| kgunn | wonder if QA team might be able to help with testing/using their infrastructure | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | balloons: ^ | 15:18 |
| liuxingapp | weather forecast for ubuntu touch UI look like nice | 15:20 |
| kgunn | wonder if its using a program/binary name to create the string ? | 15:25 |
| kgunn | bregma: ^ | 15:25 |
| kgunn | bregma: they are saying the "unity desktop" string can't be localized? | 15:25 |
| liuxingapp | yes | 15:25 |
| bregma | I can't find anything in the code like that, it may be a visual asset | 15:26 |
| liuxingapp | i think it shoud can define for user | 15:26 |
| bregma | at any rate, it needs a bug filed so we can follow up | 15:26 |
| liuxingapp | i read unity code it write 'ubuntu desktop' | 15:27 |
| zhangchao | the language package translate "unity desktop" to “ubuntu桌面” | 15:29 |
| zyga | QUESTION: is there a seed file for ubuntu kylin | 15:31 |
| ypwong | zyga, nope | 15:31 |
| zyga | so that it can be installed remotely with netboot | 15:31 |
| zyga | can we make one? | 15:32 |
| zyga-uds | hi | 15:59 |
| liuxingapp | good bye | 16:00 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Ubuntu Key Performance Indicators | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21728/qa-dashboard-kpi/ | ||
| gema | hi | 16:02 |
| gema | do we have a link to the hangout? | 16:02 |
| ypwong | zyga, i am not sure, do you have more information about that? | 16:03 |
| roadmr | yay we have video | 16:09 |
| roadmr | good/bad as in "works/doesn't work"? or do you want something quantitative so you can rather say "better/worse than yesterday?" | 16:10 |
| kgunn | QUESTION: will this include mobile/arm platforms (of any kind) | 16:10 |
| roadmr | but just a % is somewhat meaningless, right? what if it's 99% good but the 1% that's bad is what I need? | 16:11 |
| zyga | ypwong: sure, sorry | 16:12 |
| kgunn | just my 2 cents - for the most part app developers want to know what is stable (e.g. subsystems, i can use audio but not camera) | 16:12 |
| gema | kgunn: yes | 16:12 |
| gema | kgunn: wanna join the hangout? | 16:12 |
| zyga | ypwong: I'd like to create a virtual machine or a netbooted phyisical machine that runs ubuntu kylin | 16:12 |
| kgunn | whereas OEM's will care about "performance indicators" | 16:12 |
| zyga | ypwong: to do that I need to know the set of packages that go into ubuntu kylin | 16:12 |
| gema | kgunn: I am not sure if they'll care | 16:12 |
| gema | we'll show the reference devices that are in the lab, ideally | 16:12 |
| kgunn | gema: sure | 16:13 |
| balloons | from a community perspective, we would love to see a page tracking what's "good", what's "bad" currently in the dev release | 16:16 |
| roadmr | balloons: +1 | 16:16 |
| balloons | that can help drive efforts for everyone from development to QA to tester | 16:16 |
| josepht | doanac: +1 | 16:20 |
| victorp_uds | gema, I dont think OEMs are going to be looking at it as such | 16:22 |
| gema | victorp_uds: good point | 16:22 |
| victorp_uds | maybe developers at the OEM team will, but they will have the same req that community guys | 16:22 |
| gema | victorp_uds: ack | 16:22 |
| balloons | this isn't really the session to bring it up, but hey, kgunn is here :-) I'd like to see smoke testing for the display stack (aka, Xorg and most importantly, Mir) | 16:24 |
| gema | cjohnston: can you mute yourself whilst typing? | 16:24 |
| kgunn | balloons: whatcya thinkin' ?....i'm more familiar with mir, where there's tons of unit testing & example clients | 16:26 |
| kgunn | and i'm working with ThomiR on adding stress testing | 16:27 |
| kgunn | which we think we might do short run stress testing to add in for CI of MP's | 16:27 |
| balloons | kgunn, I saw the sessions but wasn't quite able to attend them sadly | 16:27 |
| cgregan_uds | This sounds familiar | 16:27 |
| balloons | kgunn, unit and stress testing is great.. I'm speaking of more at a system and integration level. I suppose the unity tests might solve some of this. But, I would like to see the display stack being run across a plethora of hardware | 16:28 |
| balloons | there's a bunch of configurations.. drivers + graphics cards that it would be good to have some basic assurance is working properly | 16:29 |
| kgunn | balloons: yeah, totally agree...i think system/integ tests are needed (as we finally get unity8 shell running on mir) | 16:29 |
| alesage | gema, how did you do bootspeed, did you set a threshold, e.g.? | 16:29 |
| kgunn | balloons: wrt hw configs, i would say pick 1 to hold as kind of golden | 16:29 |
| kgunn | e.g. you would gate release on | 16:30 |
| gema | alesage: bootspeed is a trend graph | 16:30 |
| balloons | kgunn, yes on the ubuntu touch stuff, we get a bit of a pass because we can control the hw :-) | 16:30 |
| gema | alesage: we keep measuring and show a line as we go | 16:30 |
| kgunn | but to gate on multiple hw configs isn't realistic | 16:30 |
| balloons | so phablet isn't so bad | 16:30 |
| kgunn | balloons: actually...its just as bad.... | 16:30 |
| balloons | on the desktop, grabbing the big 3, with open/closed drivers is sufficient | 16:30 |
| kgunn | balloons: we're just limiting exposure :) | 16:30 |
| roadmr | how do you identify inflection points in the graph that need your attention? manually? | 16:31 |
| balloons | so intel/amd/nvidia with amd open/closed, nvidia open/closed | 16:31 |
| kgunn | balloons: agree on desktop approach | 16:31 |
| balloons | kgunn, ofc, ofc.. It's only a baseline for assuring it works | 16:31 |
| balloons | but I think that small number of setups should be doable for smoke testing | 16:32 |
| kgunn | balloons: i do agree tho, mobile oem's will do loads of testing for tuning to their hw config....so they will understand | 16:32 |
| kgunn | if we test against say nexus4 or something its really only "reference" | 16:32 |
| cgregan_uds | In the dashboard we spec'd a year ago the user determined the limits for notification which was stored in a db | 16:33 |
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| tvoss | gema, what is the eta for getting an iteration 0 up? | 16:43 |
| tvoss | gema, is there a blueprint that tracks this? | 16:45 |
| gema | tvoss: yes, it's linked to the session, it's the qa-dashboard one | 16:45 |
| cjohnston | tvoss: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-s-dashboard is the dashboard BP | 16:45 |
| tvoss | gema, cjohnston thanks | 16:45 |
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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Connectivity (not networking) | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21783/client-1305-connectivity-not-networking/ | ||
| ptl | has the session started? | 18:08 |
| cyphermox | ptl: yes | 18:08 |
| pitti | there's no video yet | 18:08 |
| cyphermox | can you see the video? | 18:08 |
| roadmr | cyphermox: ?! I have no video? | 18:09 |
| cyphermox | just a second | 18:09 |
| roadmr | thanks! | 18:09 |
| cyphermox | sorry, it wasn't on air yet | 18:09 |
| cyphermox | seeing us now? | 18:09 |
| sforshee | I don't see any video yet | 18:09 |
| ptl | me too | 18:10 |
| roadmr | cyphermox: nope, "please stand by" | 18:10 |
| ptl | *neither | 18:10 |
| cyphermox | should be a few seconds we're supposed to be on air now | 18:10 |
| pitti | ah, now | 18:10 |
| ptl | yes | 18:11 |
| josepht | awe: yes | 18:11 |
| ptl | I can see the video | 18:11 |
| cyphermox | there's a slight delay it seems :D | 18:11 |
| tedg | I can see it! | 18:11 |
| sergiusens | awe_: yes | 18:11 |
| plars | yes we can | 18:11 |
| ptl | and 3G data | 18:11 |
| ptl | we need 3G data \o/ till the end of this month :P | 18:12 |
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| cyphermox | if anyone things they should join the actual hangout, ping me plz | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | *thinks | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | or ping jasoncwarner :D | 18:14 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, you guys should just share the link on IRC ;-) | 18:15 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I've been doing that and there was no issue so far | 18:15 |
| jasoncwarner | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/621c24ff5f6a9e6a9bf540260cb27ea0275cc9c7?authuser=0&hl=en | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | jasoncwarner: thanks! | 18:16 |
| tedg | \o/ | 18:17 |
| tedg | cyphermox, Those are tracked in the indicator-backend blueprints | 18:17 |
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| tedg | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/indicator-backend | 18:17 |
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| cyphermox | ack | 18:22 |
| tedg | awe_, oh no, it was already confusing enough with the number of ricardo's that we had! ;-) | 18:29 |
| sergiusens | awe_: cyphermox yeah, I can do it | 18:32 |
| pitti | awe_: wrt udev, did you happen to try the current version in my PPA by any chance? | 18:32 |
| cyphermox | pitti: I have not, remind later | 18:33 |
| pitti | awe_: I know upstream systemd has done quite a lot of work to make all this work in containers | 18:33 |
| awe_ | pitti, no I haven't | 18:33 |
| pitti | otherwise, please feel free to give me a WI to investigate thsi | 18:33 |
| awe_ | the bigger problem is that we're running android components which consume uevents | 18:33 |
| pitti | hm, uevents are not meant to be "consumed" though? | 18:34 |
| pitti | but I don't know what android changed in that regard | 18:34 |
| awe_ | pitti, maybe we can talk after the session | 18:34 |
| awe_ | I can't follow both threads at simultaneously | 18:35 |
| pitti | *nod* | 18:35 |
| tedg | Doesn't that require some UI changes? (WPA Enterprise) | 18:36 |
| awe_ | yes | 18:36 |
| tedg | It seems like we wouldn't be able to prioritize that work... | 18:36 |
| * tedg is worried enough about the work items he has | 18:36 | |
| tedg | I think that's a 14.04 thing, not a 13.10 one. | 18:36 |
| tedg | I think that we probably have a req open for the network UI work... if someone is here and interested | 18:39 |
| tedg | awe_, cyphermox, ack | 18:39 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: mtp had patent issues I've been told | 18:41 |
| sergiusens | mtp server that is | 18:41 |
| cyphermox | tedg: what do you mean open req? | 18:44 |
| cyphermox | tedg: I spoke to mpt about it, he knows my concerns, but I did mention it wasn't a priority | 18:44 |
| tedg | Employee position. | 18:44 |
| cyphermox | I'm just trying to avoid people pain when wpa enterprise (or anything else really) needs to be added and dramatically changes the design | 18:45 |
| cyphermox | because that would just be sad | 18:45 |
| awe_ | pitti, the short answer re: udev is that when we started it in our container... it caused breakage in our images, so we disabled it | 18:46 |
| cyphermox | awe_: btw, bluetooth session in a few hours at Google IO... | 18:47 |
| pitti | awe_: I have a current (from yesterday) phablet install on my n7, so I can test a current version there | 18:47 |
| awe_ | I believe we could make it work, however no work has progressed on this due to our work to try and verify the container flip | 18:47 |
| pitti | awe_: what should I look out for, i. e. how does the breakage manifest? | 18:47 |
| awe_ | pitti, you'd have to ask ChickenCutlass | 18:48 |
| awe_ | but again, I think we want to see how ogra makes out on the container flip work | 18:48 |
| pitti | awe_: curious that nothing in our image actually listens to uevents; I had assumed that not much will work at all without them | 18:48 |
| pitti | awe_: ack | 18:48 |
| pitti | awe_: ok, let me know if you need anything | 18:48 |
| awe_ | pitti, will do | 18:48 |
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