[13:45] <delftgate354> jono : QUESTION :: For the *fridge dates given* , would it be possible to suggest that the use of wolframalpha would be a better use of resources as people can easily use that to converge ?? https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=local+time+UTC
[13:49] <almaidinajad> hi everybody
[13:51] <fisch246> Welcome to another day of UDS :D
[13:52] <delftgate354> fisch246: Is this starting now ?
[13:52] <fisch246> delftgate354: in about 10 minutes yes
[13:53] <delftgate354> Crums, I've all over Kixi trying to get a proper channel :>
[13:54] <philipballew> \
[14:01] <dholbach> who is interested in joining this session?
[14:01] <delftgate354> o/ good luck with that .. but i only have one question ..
[14:02] <dholbach> delftgate354, go ahead :)
[14:04] <delftgate354> QUESTION :: For the *fridge dates given* , would it be possible to suggest that the use of wolframalpha would be a better use of resources as people can easily use that to converge ?? https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=local+time+UTC
[14:05] <dholbach> delftgate354, the topic of this session is http://status.ubuntu.com/ - are we talking about the same thing?
[14:06] <delftgate354> no
[14:06] <dholbach> ok
[14:07] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html
[14:07] <delftgate354> can you forward this to jono for me anyway ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667727/
[14:08] <delftgate354> dholbach: ^ can you forward this to jono anyway ? ^
[14:08] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-community-ubuntu-13.04-month-6.html
[14:09] <dholbach> delftgate354, is that for the fridge calendar? I'm not sure if Jono is the best person to tackle this
[14:09] <dholbach> you could try mailing the people on this list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team) maybe
[14:09] <delftgate354> opening ..
[14:10] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-community-ubuntu-13.04-month-6.html
[14:10] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html
[14:10] <lool> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html
[14:10] <jonobacon> sorry I can't join the hangout, guys, I have a baby singing here
[14:10] <jonobacon> singing in a death metal sense
[14:10] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to be part of the hangout?
[14:11] <cjohnston> jonobacon: want to provide feedback here then?
[14:11] <jonobacon> cjohnston: yeah I will do
[14:11] <jonobacon> cjohnston: although I think you have a pretty good idea of my feedback currently
[14:12] <jonobacon> +1 on multiple-cycle work tracking
[14:13] <jonobacon> I would like to see blueprints not tied to a release cycle, but just be a project with milestones for each release
[14:15] <jonobacon> my concern is a blueprint that takes longer than a release then has to have a new blueprint created to continue tracking the work, which seems wasteful
[14:16] <jonobacon> it is not a big deal, I am just thinking in terms of efficiency
[14:16] <olli_> you don't really have to create a new BP though, do you
[14:16] <olli_> you can just retarget the existing one?
[14:16] <jonobacon> you can retarget the existing one but I think that breaks the old burndown if you retarget too early
[14:16] <olli_> or is the issue that you might lose data for the previous cycle
[14:17] <olli_> ok,
[14:18] <jonobacon> cjohnston: you are balling with the cash, don't deny it
[14:18] <jonobacon> ;-)
[14:19] <fisch246> lol
[14:20] <dholbach> jonobacon, incidentally - did you ever get your guitar-shaped swimming pool expensed? :-)
[14:21] <fisch246> there's an idea... i vote next UDS should be in a pool and hot tub
[14:22] <olli> does somebody have a link for a good example on the upcoming work view handy
[14:22] <doanac> olli: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/+upcomingwork
[14:23] <rickspencer3> Plans for documentation and positioning of the development release ( Foundations )
[14:23] <rickspencer3> lool, are you referencing that ^ ?
[14:23] <rickspencer3> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-development-release-planning
[14:26] <lool> rickspencer3: yes
[14:26] <rickspencer3> thanks lool
[14:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:26] <lool> I think we can anticipate this by targeting blueprints to a single release in a new launchpad project
[14:26] <rickspencer3> it's just hte blueprint about the not rolling release rolling release
[14:27] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, ack
[14:27] <rickspencer3> I guess we might want to discuss how work item tracking is impacted in that session
[14:27] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, you might want to sit in on it
[14:29] <cjohnston> sounds good
[14:30] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
[14:30] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/about.html
[14:33] <cjohnston> rickspencer3: jonobacon do you have thoughts about that?
[14:34] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, I kind of lost track, I am paying attention to multiple sessions :/
[14:35] <delftgate354> dholbach: OK I've contacted akgraner ( I know she's also on y!outu.be) on the mailing list  .. thank-you.
[14:36] <lool> I'm proposing one or two teams to be guinea pigs for some code changes to the WI tracker; we would use a single series to track all blueprints
[14:36] <dholbach> delftgate354, perfect
[14:36] <rickspencer3> o/
[14:36] <rickspencer3> I heard my name :)
[14:36] <lool> the reports would be based on all blueprints for the upcoming n months of milestones for that series
[14:36] <rickspencer3> what matters to me is:
[14:37] <rickspencer3> 1. the EMs (or whatever leader, for instance a community member) can plan their work effectively
[14:37] <delftgate354> Where is the hangout youtube page: for this session ?
[14:37] <rickspencer3> delftgate354, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21695/ubuntu-status-tracker-1305/
[14:37] <delftgate354> ty
[14:37] <rickspencer3> 2. teams can easily track their burndowns
[14:37] <rickspencer3> 3. the work items and progress are transparent (i.e. easy to find, and folks can see the status)
[14:38] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, lool ^ does that make sense?
[14:38] <rickspencer3> whether they are targeted to releases, etc... I think should be about how those 3 things would be impacted
[14:38] <jonobacon> rickspencer3: +1
[14:39] <jonobacon> I would like to recommend this work is done at status.u.c too as opposed to LP as the changes can be revved faster
[14:39] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/unity-ui-team.html
[14:39] <jonobacon> right now we have some duplicatation in LP and status.u.c
[14:40] <delftgate354> dholbach, Does this need an (!)action ? I think it does ..
[14:40] <dholbach> delftgate354, but not in this session - we're talking about something else here :/
[14:40] <delftgate354> delftgate354: So .. no (!)actions will be taken here ?
[14:41] <delftgate354> dholbach: So no (!)actions will be taken here ?
[14:42] <dholbach> delftgate354, this session is just about status.ubuntu.com I'm afraid
[14:43] <cjohnston> jonobacon: what do you mean by duplication? are you referring to +upcomingwork?
[14:43] <rickspencer3> I think olli is saying that #2 and #3 in my list are idiosyncratic
[14:43] <delftgate354> dholbach(!) .. Yes, I was taking about the 3wiki -pages .. (!)actions are needed to make this session successfull ..
[14:43] <delftgate354> leaves.
[14:43] <jonobacon> cjohnston: yep
[14:43] <rickspencer3> I agree with lool, we want both
[14:43] <cjohnston> jonobacon: yes
[14:43] <rickspencer3> custom views, but also, standard views that we have transparency
[14:44] <rickspencer3> if you have to have special knowledge about how a team works to understand their blueprints, it's not really transparent
[14:45] <olli> rickspencer3, that is lool's point, and I agree to that
[14:45] <rickspencer3> olli, ack
[14:46] <olli>  rickspencer3 but I in a project manager role might be more interested in a view that shows me all postponed WI from milestone Foo from (developer x,y,z)
[14:46] <cjohnston> rick, when I refer to custom views, I'm thinking about drop down boxes where I can say I want: team A, B and D over timespan of X
[14:46] <olli> and that might be different for another project manager role
[14:47] <lool> (I think we're all on the same page and strongly agreeing  :-)
[14:48] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, that sounds great
[14:48] <rickspencer3> my point was that if the standard views don't actually reflect what a team is doing/working on, then it's not really transparent
[14:49] <cjohnston> the standard views would probably stay similiar to how they are now
[14:49] <rickspencer3> cjohnston, right, so teams need to have some standardization in how they work to ensure that the standard views are meaningful
[14:49] <olli> standard views are mandatory and need to be used in a concise way across the board
[14:50] <olli> the rest is optional for different roles, imho
[14:51] <lool> jonobacon: did we miss other features/issues you wanted to see discussed?
[14:54] <bregma> that would be very useful
[15:06] <dholbach> who wants to be part of this discussion? do you want to join in on the hangout?
[15:11] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR:
[15:22] <dholbach> anyone  else who wants to be part of this discussion? do you want to join in on the hangout?
[15:22] <jsjgruber-uds> Should the ubuntu-classroom team be asked if they would like to take this on rather than having a separate team for ubuntu-onair?
[15:23] <jsjgruber-uds> QUESTION:  ^^^
[15:53] <jsjgruber> QUESTION: If we were to go with the UDS approach I'd still like to see the ubuntu-on-air ical calendar generated?
[16:00] <jsjgruber> Not enough money generated to balance off the criticism it'll generate to monetize the video.
[16:01] <philballew> alright, I.d like an invite to the roundtable hangout
[16:01] <philballew> rrnwexec, welcome to the channel
[16:01] <rrnwexec> thanks
[16:01] <skellat> And I'm willing to join in today (smkellat@gmail.com)
[16:01] <rrnwexec> ready to join when you guys/gals are
[16:02] <bkerensa> I would too
[16:02] <bkerensa> rrnwexec: nice post on statelessness
[16:04] <fisch246> i can't really provide much input for today's roundtable, so i'll just stay in the irc
[16:07] <skellat> Where is some public domain hold music when you need it?
[16:07] <skellat> :-)
[16:07] <jonobacon> if anyone wants to join the hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/18201e297a06a868d6e3c70072ae59cf2708f8a0?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:17] <YoBoY> if I'm not wrong, the DVD cover/artwork is on the advocacy kit, but this artwork is no more produced to go with the ISO, how we plan to fix that ?
[16:20] <YoBoY> We want more table cloth for my team ^^
[16:28] <skellat> For the sake of discussion, here is the transcript of the last educational session we conducted for Ubuntu Ohio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/IRC20130128
[16:36] <YoBoY> can we add the locoteams logo too ?
[16:43] <skellat> rrnwexec: knome already has this merge for you to consider: https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/uak/xubuntu-logo/+merge/164001
[16:43] <rrnwexec> thanks!
[16:45] <rickspencer3> youtube-dl ftw ;)
[16:45] <skellat> rickspencer3: Purportedly gpodder works for such as well, too
[16:45] <rickspencer3> nice
[16:57] <rickspencer3> The page could say "Got a great idea? Send an email to Randal"
[16:58] <YoBoY> +1
[16:59] <YoBoY> closing ok, but breaking all the existing links ont internet pointing to brainstorm can be a problem too
[16:59] <skellat> YoBoY: Breakage happens on the Internet.  Stability has never been assured.
[16:59] <YoBoY> (links to ideas on brainstorm)
[17:00] <YoBoY> skellat, sure, but there is a clean way to break links I think :)
[17:00] <YoBoY> (forwards, banner on top of a read only site, …)
[17:01] <YoBoY> thanks
[17:53] <elfy> peterm-ubuntu: if I'm right in remembering you as the website guy - the website session is in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 today :)
[17:53] <elfy> if you're not you can safely ignore me :)
[17:53] <peterm-ubuntu> elfy hi… yes, I am still here from last night!
[17:54] <elfy> oh - that'll be why then :p
[17:54] <peterm-ubuntu> now I am in 1 as well
[17:54] <elfy> I'm not even sure why I'm here :)
[17:56] <UbuPhillup> yea i am right ;)
[17:58] <peterm-ubuntu> elfy thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[17:58] <elfy> welcome
[18:02] <teolemon_> issue with knowing how to join the hangout
[18:06] <teolemon_> we're waiting for the hangout link
[18:06] <teolemon_> they should paste it soon
[18:08] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: okey so i wait ;)
[18:08] <teolemon_> I don't have it either yet
[18:09] <hannie> 18:09 ;)
[18:10] <teolemon_> it's me but with web interface
[18:10] <UbuPhillup> on community-1 it alrady had started ;)
[18:10] <hannie> huh?
[18:10] <teolemon_> it's another topic
[18:11] <teolemon_> Community Website
[18:11] <teolemon_> balloons do you have the hangout link ?
[18:12] <teolemon_> (he should be the host for our channel)
[18:12] <balloons> teolemon_, howdy.. no hangout for you?
[18:12] <balloons> I can kick it off sure
[18:13] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:13] <balloons> Should be starting very soon
[18:14] <hannie> ok, I am waiting in the hangout
[18:14] <teolemon-web> same
[18:14] <balloons> ok, so https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:15] <balloons> please join up, I'll host, but I'm muted/vid off
[18:16] <hannie> I only see Nicholas Skaggs
[18:16] <balloons> is anyone able to join the hangout and lead the session?
[18:17] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:17] <teolemon-web> you actually have to click on the link
[18:17] <teolemon-web> you can't join from this page
[18:18] <balloons> ok I shall start the cast
[18:19] <balloons> everything should be live now: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:20] <balloons> if the hangout isn't working / isn't needed, you guys can simply use this channel to have your meeting
[18:21] <UbuPhillup> ballock: yes i can the hangout
[18:21] <UbuPhillup> so it works
[18:21] <balloons> H. Lafebar I hear you
[18:22] <UbuPhillup> yes
[18:22] <UbuPhillup> i can hear you
[18:23] <fkol_k4> The sound comes and goes.
[18:23] <YoBoY> hi
[18:23] <UbuPhillup> ballock: yes
[18:23] <balloons> fkol_k4, teolemon_, we can just use IRC
[18:23] <balloons> if you can't get the hangout to work
[18:24] <UbuPhillup> balloons: i can hear you
[18:24] <fkol_k4> IRC is ok by me;-)
[18:25] <YoBoY> we can't hear the voice, only the chair moving and the keyboard :p
[18:26] <hannie> and other noises ...
[18:26] <hannie> hi godbyk:
[18:26] <godbyk> hannie: Hi. I'm just hanging out with you guys while I wait for the next session to start. :)
[18:26] <hannie> ok, I will join the docs session as well
[18:27] <hannie> this hangout isn't working Iḿ afraid
[18:27] <YoBoY> you are alone I think, if it's balloons the other person he said is mute/vid off
[18:27] <teolemon> my connexion is going crazy
[18:28] <balloons> I closed the hangout as it seems to not work for folks
[18:28] <godbyk> hannie: I can hear you (I assume) asking if Jack can say something. But beyong that I can only hear typing on a keyboard and some horrible noise.
[18:28] <teolemon> i'm trying to rejoin
[18:28] <balloons> just utilize IRC :-)
[18:28] <hannie> oops, why don't we just chat?
[18:28] <balloons> you've got 30 mins left to chat
[18:29] <UbuPhillup> so is there no »Growing a strong translation community« now ?
[18:29] <teolemon_> lol
[18:29] <hannie> godbyk: I have no idea why this isn't working
[18:30] <YoBoY> yes we hear you
[18:31] <YoBoY> yes we hear you
[18:31] <hannie> YoBoY: who do you hear?
[18:31] <YoBoY> someone talking ^^
[18:31] <YoBoY> don't know the name
[18:31] <hannie> a man's voice?
[18:31] <YoBoY> woman
[18:32] <hannie> Ah, I think I am the only one you can hear. Where are the others?
[18:32] <YoBoY> yes, you are alone like I said
[18:32] <UbuPhillup> your not live
[18:32] <hannie> It's lonely at the top :)
[18:32] <YoBoY> teolemon_, have connection problems, and noone else joined the hangout
[18:32] <fkol_k4> All i can hear is some typing.
[18:33] <hannie> Well, in the meantime, do you have the roadmap ready?
[18:33] <hannie> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Xzp6depA75AZ7m5M8y29AJarrjWHi7GR0efF8xrBA4/edit#heading=h.7ogdjmtk0rin
[18:34] <fkol_k4> I can hear the question 'can anyone hear me?'
[18:34] <UbuPhillup> very very intersting session
[18:34] <hannie> fkol_k4: I'm afraid my phrase is repeating itself. No idea how to stop it
[18:35] <teolemon_> let's give up on hangout
[18:35] <teolemon_> and do this on irc
[18:35] <YoBoY> +1
[18:35] <YoBoY> hannie, just quit the hangout and join again perhaps
[18:35] <fkol_k4> hannie: lol, better than nothing:-D
[18:35] <hannie> +1
[18:35] <teolemon_> so basically
[18:36] <teolemon_> we've made a detailed roadmap
[18:36] <hannie> ok, I quit the hangout
[18:36] <teolemon_> there's still to stuff to sort out
[18:36] <teolemon_> but he need to focus on 3 things
[18:36] <teolemon_> how to capture new members
[18:36] <teolemon_> how to make them grow into fully fledged translators
[18:36] <teolemon_> and how to avoid loosing them
[18:37] <teolemon_> the problem is that #1 is not working
[18:37] <teolemon_> #2 is somewhat working
[18:37] <teolemon_> and #3 costs us many good people
[18:37] <teolemon_> who move on to other things
[18:37] <teolemon_> because there's a feeling we're not making progress
[18:38] <teolemon_> we're unsupported
[18:38] <teolemon_> and so on
[18:38] <hannie> Isn't it the responsibility of the local translation teams to find translators and guide newcomers?
[18:38] <teolemon_> it's always good to feel you're part of something that's working well
[18:38] <teolemon_> I'd say yes
[18:39] <UbuPhillup> hannie: the german team think like that
[18:39] <teolemon_> but it's not only the role of local teams
[18:39] <hannie> I think Ubuntu translators should help local teams
[18:39] <teolemon_> we all make mistakes
[18:39] <teolemon_> as an individual
[18:39] <teolemon_> as a team
[18:39] <teolemon_> but the more individuals
[18:39] <teolemon_> and the more teams
[18:39] <teolemon_> the less we make mistakes
[18:39] <teolemon_> and the more we can learn from one another
[18:40] <teolemon_> good practises are fragmented between teams
[18:40] <teolemon_> there's incredible stuff from the hr team
[18:40] <teolemon_> the nl team
[18:40] <teolemon_> but other teams might not use it.
[18:40] <teolemon_> The idea of the roadmap
[18:41] <teolemon_> is to make sure we communicate often and well
[18:41] <hannie> I see Ubuntu Translators as the coordinating team, helping local teams to solve technical issues etc.
[18:41] <teolemon_> and share those practises
[18:41] <teolemon_> providing the ressources for local teams
[18:41] <teolemon_> and mutualizing effort
[18:41] <UbuPhillup> hannie: +1
[18:41] <teolemon_> something that works in a team should be shared with others
[18:42] <teolemon_> we're not going to rewrite 160 different guidelines
[18:42] <teolemon_> any thoughts on that ?
[18:42] <teolemon_> any divergences ?
[18:43] <hannie> I suggest we find people to staff the ubuntu Translators team
[18:43] <fkol_k4> What do you mean by 'ressources' for a translation team?
[18:43] <hannie> Once we have a group of enthousiastic people, this group can tackle the roadmap. What do you think?
[18:43] <YoBoY> ubuntu translators is more an empty shell, there is no clear lead. Perhaps we can create a board to lead all the teams, follow this roadmap and mae things appen ?
[18:43] <teolemon_> we should try and do a spreasheet of what we have
[18:44] <teolemon_> for instance
[18:44] <teolemon_> French team
[18:44] <YoBoY> o/
[18:44] <teolemon_> we have we have a list of ubuntu-specific packages
[18:44] <teolemon_> that's up to date
[18:44] <teolemon_> we have a good deck of slides
[18:44] <teolemon_> regarding translations
[18:44] <teolemon_> and so on
[18:45] <teolemon_> we have content on topic 1
[18:45] <teolemon_> 2 or 3
[18:45] <teolemon_> YoBoY
[18:45] <teolemon_> it's not an empty shell
[18:45] <teolemon_> there are translation coordinators
[18:45] <YoBoY> sorry :p
[18:45] <hannie> so, we need people to coordinate those things
[18:45] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: who?
[18:45] <teolemon_> (I was accepted today by the way)
[18:45] <teolemon_> so me
[18:46] <YoBoY> congrats :)
[18:46] <teolemon_> to begin with :-)
[18:46] <hannie> nice, teolemon_: congratulations
[18:46] <teolemon_> and it's not only about the coordinators
[18:46] <teolemon_> they have very specific powers
[18:46] <UbuPhillup> is there a list of paople
[18:47] <teolemon_> it's about mapping ressources in each team
[18:47] <teolemon_> as well as best practises
[18:47] <hannie> So why not ask all local team leads to join?
[18:47] <teolemon_> see which one we can mutualize to execute
[18:47] <teolemon_> on the roadmap
[18:47] <teolemon_> ideally
[18:47] <teolemon_> yes
[18:47] <teolemon_> I'd want for each strong team a point of contact
[18:48] <teolemon_> that's why we're going to do a HealthCheck
[18:48] <YoBoY> UbuPhillup, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators
[18:48] <teolemon_> which will be a simple survey
[18:48] <teolemon_> to see what is done in each team
[18:48] <teolemon_> what they have
[18:48] <UbuPhillup> YoBoY: okey thanks
[18:48] <teolemon_> what they use and don't use
[18:48] <teolemon_> etc
[18:49] <teolemon_> we'll get a clear idea of which team are actives
[18:49] <teolemon_> how many people, how many technical people…
[18:50] <teolemon_> then
[18:50] <YoBoY> teolemon_, a team contact like for the locoteams with the loco council ?
[18:50] <teolemon_> once we map out the content and ressources
[18:50] <teolemon_> yes, we have a list
[18:50] <hannie> with "we" you mean the current Translations coordinators?
[18:51] <teolemon_> everybody
[18:51] <teolemon_> translation coordinators are…
[18:51] <teolemon_> coordinators
[18:51] <teolemon_> they just have administrative prerogatives on launchpad
[18:51] <teolemon_> and forward bugs
[18:51] <teolemon_> to the right people
[18:52] <teolemon_> the work is done by anyone willing to take a little time each week
[18:52] <YoBoY> perhaps like the locoteams "approval process" you/wa can make an healthcheck on some translation teams on each cycle…
[18:52] <teolemon_> no approval process
[18:52] <teolemon_> but we'll be doing regular healthchecks
[18:52] <teolemon_> yes
[18:52] <hannie> ok, that's a good starting point
[18:53] <teolemon_> so going back
[18:53] <teolemon_> once we map out the content and ressources
[18:53] <teolemon_> we need to decide what we're going to standardize on
[18:53] <teolemon_> set OKRs for all teams
[18:53] <teolemon_> all teams should be aware and promote the stats tool
[18:54] <teolemon_> all teams should have a point of contact
[18:54] <teolemon_> etc
[18:54] <teolemon_> obviously, it's a stretch goal
[18:54] <fkol_k4> OKRs?
[18:54] <hannie> OKRs?
[18:54] <teolemon_> objectives
[18:54] <teolemon_> (and key results)
[18:54] <teolemon_> basically
[18:54] <teolemon_> we aim at 80% of teams using Nightmonkey
[18:54] <teolemon_> and so on
[18:55] <teolemon_> so basically a measurable objective
[18:55] <teolemon_> we need to define those as a group
[18:55] <teolemon_> based on what we want to achieve in the roadmap.
[18:55] <teolemon_> so to wrap up:
[18:56] <hannie> Nightmonkey is only for DDTP, right. Or can it handle other things?
[18:56] <teolemon_> only for the DDTP
[18:56] <hannie> ok
[18:56] <teolemon_> it was just an example
[18:56] <teolemon_> 1. We need to launch the health survey
[18:56] <teolemon_> 2. Get the results
[18:57] <teolemon_> 3. Define in a future weekly meeting what we want to achieve based on the answers
[18:57] <teolemon_> 4. Start executing
[18:57] <teolemon_> We'll talk tomorrow in hopefully a better session about
[18:57] <hannie> weekly? that's too much
[18:57] <teolemon_> biweekly
[18:57] <teolemon_> typo
[18:57] <teolemon_> sorry
[18:58] <UbuPhillup> teolemon_: a irc meeting or hangout?
[18:58] <teolemon_> the portal
[18:58] <teolemon_> and the technical means to achieve this
[18:58] <hannie> no more hangouts for me, thank you.....
[18:58] <teolemon_> We actually had a good hangout on Friday
[18:58] <teolemon_> IRC or hangout is fine with me
[18:58] <teolemon_> hangout brings more lively discussions
[18:59] <hannie> You could ask via the mailing list who prefers what
[18:59] <teolemon_> yes
[18:59] <hannie> and why
[18:59] <teolemon_> can we still talk ?
[18:59] <teolemon_> yes :-D
[18:59] <hannie> I think so
[19:00] <UbuPhillup> or we can go to #ubuntu-translators
[19:00] <teolemon_> yes
[19:00] <teolemon_> i think that's a good idea
[19:00] <hannie> teolemon_: why didn't the other Translations coordinators join this session?
[19:00] <teolemon_> we're expelled of the room anyway
[19:00] <hannie> ok
[19:00] <teolemon_> let's convene in ubuntu-translators
[19:01] <hannie> see you there
[19:05] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:06] <rickspencer3> o/
[19:06] <sebsebseb> do I need to log into Launchpad to see the thing or not?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> I guess not
[19:06] <rickspencer3> ftr, that is jono's incredibly loud keyboard
[19:07] <olli> sebsebseb, nope
[19:07] <sebsebseb> altough video not working
[19:07] <sebsebseb> for me
[19:07] <sebsebseb> is it on ?
[19:07] <olli> just takes a sec for the streams to come on
[19:07] <olli> nope
[19:07]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[19:07] <sebsebseb> Please stand by, starting soon
[19:07] <sebsebseb> that's what I got
[19:08] <rickspencer3> hi sebsebseb it says "On Air" so should be there soon
[19:08] <olli> sebsebseb, yep, give Jono a sec to comb his hair
[19:08] <fisch246> it's live
[19:08] <sebsebseb> rickspencer3: it says live on it sure
[19:08] <sebsebseb> ok not started properly yet ok
[19:08] <netcurli> we can see you now
[19:08] <sebsebseb> that would explain it
[19:08] <olli> sebsebseb, stream started just now
[19:08] <sebsebseb> ok got it now :)
[19:08] <sebsebseb> working :)
[19:09] <logx> we can see you
[19:09] <sebsebseb> why not using  Ubuntu On Air website for this one? since UDS?
[19:09] <ZHL> Why my laptop is still overheat in ubuntu 13.04... but it doesn`t overheat at ubuntu 11.10 ?
[19:10] <rickspencer3> so, that means I will get, essentially, zero questions :)
[19:11] <sebsebseb> oh so I got to log in to launchpad then it seems again right
[19:11] <Tralala> I get "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."
[19:11] <sebsebseb> an error occured please try again later
[19:11] <sebsebseb> with video
[19:11] <sebsebseb> just me ?
[19:11] <FlyingPig> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[19:11] <FlyingPig> :(
[19:11] <jonobacon> hmmm
[19:11] <sebsebseb> FlyingPig: you got error to?
[19:12] <jonobacon> feel free to ask your questions here and I will add them to the pad
[19:12] <FlyingPig> yes
[19:12] <jonobacon> just use QUESTION to ask it
[19:12] <sebsebseb> jonobacon: yep that will work when the video is back up :d
[19:12] <bashrc> makes sense
[19:12] <sebsebseb> still issues with that
[19:12] <sebsebseb> ok back
[19:13] <ZHL> in which channel Jono will answer to our questions ?
[19:13]  * sebsebseb goes to check pizza. doesnt' want burnt pizza!
[19:14] <fisch246> jonobacon: "famous musician" I wish...
[19:14] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Will you also answer questions in the IRC for those who can't log in to etherpad?
[19:15] <jonobacon> folks, just ask your questions here - prefix with QUESTION
[19:15] <jonobacon> FlyingPig: yes
[19:15] <FlyingPig> good :)
[19:15] <FlyingPig> thanks
[19:15] <ZHL> Question: Why my laptop is still overheat in ubuntu 13.04... but it doesn`t overheat at ubuntu 11.10 ?
[19:15] <TuhinBagh> Hello sir, I used wubi to installed 13.04!
[19:16]  * sebsebseb is back with pizza :d
[19:16] <zebaszp> I want pizza!
[19:17] <fisch246> same here
[19:17] <TuhinBagh> Guys do youtube tends to lag in full screen mode in ubuntu 13.10..??
[19:17] <gabykant> Hello everybody
[19:17] <Tralala> ME: hey question about .. bla bla bla? JONO: well, you know Community... ME: aha and that means? JONO: Community dute!
[19:18] <Zeeshi7897> Ubuntu Can Have A Functionality like Wine for windows and Mac Both
[19:18] <TuhinBagh> I like unity!! I mean i don't hate changes like windows8... But plz plz launch a official WUBI
[19:19] <TuhinBagh> QUESTION: I like unity!! I mean i don't hate changes like windows8... But plz plz launch a official WUBI
[19:20] <gabykant> Please I can't follow you
[19:20] <fisch246> TuhinBagh: it was deprecated because of Windows 8. It was literally deleting Ubuntu that existed inside the same partition.
[19:20] <gabykant> can you bring this video on youtube after?
[19:20] <fkol_k4> Jono: We cannot get accepted for presentations to educational institutions such as highschools or universities, because the ministry of education cannot allow to just 'a bunch of guys running Ubuntu' to enter such an institution.
[19:21] <TuhinBagh> @fisch246 I managed to install using WUBI though, using that backside link
[19:21] <TuhinBagh> it works.. Only thing, does it lags youtube in fullscreen mode..?
[19:22] <cyber> what about game on linux ?
[19:23] <TuhinBagh> Steam is already out!!!!!
[19:23] <fisch246> QUESTION: What are Ubuntu devs that I can follow on G+ that are public profiles? I want updates from the devs themselves without invading their privacy and private lives.
[19:24] <Bryan> It took a while for wine to run current versions of office.  Is it a focus to keep support for this, and does office 2010 run well on wine right now (I havent tried yet - just read about it briefly)?
[19:24] <cyber> yes but about getting newer games then there is
[19:25] <RichieB> Is Unity 8 going to get an actual window manager for the desktop? If so, how soon?
[19:25] <sebsebseb> QUESTION for both: How would you recommend people contribute for the first time, or contribute more to open source or free software. I don't mean just code, I mean in general all ways it can be done.
[19:26] <RichieB> QUESTION: Is Unity 8 going to get an actual window manager for the desktop? If so, how soon?
[19:26] <franco> A question here!
[19:28] <fisch246> QUESTION: Now when it comes to careers at Canonical info, it's easy to find, and easy to find out what they're looking for. However my question is, do you have any advice on how to stand out?
[19:29] <cyber> QUESTION: what about getting better games to linux i think your OS will get many on the linux
[19:30] <logx> QUESTION: What happens when other desktop environments change to Wayland, would they get incompatible with e.g. Kubuntu?
[19:30] <zebaszp> lol
[19:30] <logx> QUESTION: Can you give an update on the Core Apps progress?
[19:32] <sebsebseb> QUESTION for both:  If you know about it, what do you think of Google Glass? Especially when it comes to any privacy concerns.
[19:32] <bashrc> Celebrations?
[19:33] <Debaru> klllk
[19:33] <fisch246> jonobacon: my question is asked twice on the etherpad. starts with "now when it comes to careers..."
[19:34] <Gotango> crickets...
[19:34] <cyber> just me how can see them
[19:34] <zebaszp> a bunch of sutff was duplicated, lol
[19:35] <snwh> I want my Ubuntu blender
[19:35] <bashrc> will it blend?
[19:35] <fisch246> snwh: will it blend?
[19:35] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: What is the state of Ubuntu for belt buckles?
[19:35] <nshiell> ubuntu fridge
[19:35] <snwh> with an apport dialog
[19:35] <Bryan> QUESTION:  any plans for an ubuntu domain controller?  I know there was one before but that project I think fell by the wayside
[19:35] <nshiell> video feed keeps on cutting out
[19:35] <bashrc> same here
[19:35] <Tralala> QUESTION: EA Games still working on stuff to be brought to Ubuntu?
[19:36] <nshiell> i like music theory!
[19:37] <zebaszp> who's typing in the same questions over and over again?
[19:37] <zebaszp> jono, rickspencer3, are you re-adding questions to the pad?
[19:37] <olli> rickspencer3, zebaszp possibly 13.10, for sure by14.04
[19:38] <rickspencer3> zebaszp, I'm not, not sure about jono, though
[19:39] <zebaszp> given the text color, I guess jono :P
[19:39] <sebsebseb> Question to both: Have you got a Rassbery Pi,  if so, what do you do with it?
[19:39] <nshiell> QUESTION: is the new SDK the prefered way to develop pps?
[19:39] <fisch246> he's most likely pasting without realizing he didn't have the correct question in the clipboard
[19:40] <nshiell> *apps
[19:41] <sebsebseb> ah video gone down
[19:41] <sebsebseb> again
[19:41] <fisch246> yea google i/o is starting up again
[19:41] <sebsebseb> ok back after a reload :)
[19:43] <ubuntu-seb> good evening
[19:45] <cyber> not
[19:46] <zebaszp> we're doing pretty good so far
[19:46] <fisch246> jonobacon: moved duplicate to asked section. as for "rocking the questions", I wrote notes, so I'm a bit prepared.
[19:46] <snwh> one word: steam
[19:47] <zebaszp> carmack's a dick
[19:47] <dshimer> QUESTION: Not into games but a previous question made me wonder.  Does convergence adversly affect the game services that are signing on.
[19:47] <snwh> surely the solution is to make games cross-platform from the get-go
[19:48] <zebaszp> jono! stahp duplication questions in the pad!
[19:48] <zebaszp> *duplicating
[19:48] <jonobacon> I am not duping questions
[19:48] <jonobacon> I am putting them there so I can read them out
[19:48] <zebaszp> but I put them there first
[19:48] <zebaszp> or you do, but you add them twice
[19:49] <zebaszp> STAHP :P
[19:49] <zebaszp> also, check your section
[19:50] <number22> hello
[19:50] <fisch246> just let jono mess around with the pad.
[19:50] <zebaszp> NO, I like the pad! it's MINE! XD
[19:50] <nshiell> QUESTION: are GTK apps like GIMP going to work on MIR?
[19:50] <zebaszp> that calendar looks pretty
[19:51] <zebaszp> nshiell, I think so, GTK should be ported to Mir soon if not already
[19:52] <bashrc> Microsoft Grey!
[19:53] <zebaszp> poor babby :(
[19:56] <zebaszp> I just realized, DuckDuckGo t-shirt, nice rickspencer3
[19:56] <bashrc> QUESTION: What happened to workspaces in 13.04? i.e. CTRL+ALT+arrows
[19:56] <zebaszp> disabled by default, bashrc
[19:56] <rickspencer3> :)
[19:56] <zebaszp> you can enable them in the appearance config
[19:57] <nshiell> def
[19:59] <nshiell> i liked the 2D pannel
[20:00] <bashrc> ok
[20:01] <rickspencer3> hey, for the workspace question, you can turn them on in settings
[20:01] <zebaszp> how can someone be unimpressed with an LCD belt buckle?
[20:01] <rickspencer3> thanks everyone
[20:01] <zebaszp> bye!
[20:01] <number22> see ya
[20:01] <zebaszp> thanks!
[20:01] <bashrc> bye
[20:02] <zebaszp> you didn't read the "Someone's behind you" :(
[20:02] <pepe> bye
[20:02] <Gotango> parties over ciao!
[20:02] <zebaszp> anyway, it was fun as always, thanks jonobacon and rickspencer3
[20:03] <zebaszp> time for foods! and perhaps some I/O :P
[20:04] <IdleOne> We see you
[20:06] <Gotango> i know , cant find the door. Dropped my glasses :P
[20:09] <Gotango> ah! found them ! bye bye ...
[20:17]  * pulsewound slaps cjohnston around a bit with a large trout
[20:17]  * pulsewound slaps Cracknel around a bit with a large trout
[20:17]  * pulsewound slaps FlyingPig around a bit with a large trout
[20:20] <Cracknel> ?
[20:22] <jono> join us for today's post UDS social beer hangout - feel free to join us at  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2e35c93b7aca2d5bc4ce8eeaae65aba61ae84205?authuser=0&hl=en or watch at http://youtu.be/xF3SCZ7QFhA
[20:24] <sebsebseb> jono: oh
[20:25] <sebsebseb> jono: is there a cahnnel for that to? or is that just #ubuntu-uds ?
[20:32] <jono> sebsebseb, nope, just hanging
[20:32] <jono> come and join us
[20:32] <jono> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2e35c93b7aca2d5bc4ce8eeaae65aba61ae84205?authuser=0&hl=en
[20:34] <sebsebseb> jono: nah just watching
[20:34] <sebsebseb> jono: or more like listenign mainly soon
[20:34] <sebsebseb> since  got some other stuff I want to do :d
[20:35] <sebsebseb> jono: another time you might get me on something though, depends
[20:37] <IdleOne> rickspencer3: squirrel sorta tastes like cat
[20:38] <rickspencer3> hi IdleOne
[20:38] <rickspencer3> noted
[20:38] <rickspencer3> lol
[20:38] <IdleOne> :)
[20:49] <IdleOne> jono: jack wants daddy to pick him up