=== schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === Kay is now known as Guest33833 === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === janneke1 is now known as janneke [13:45] jono : QUESTION :: For the *fridge dates given* , would it be possible to suggest that the use of wolframalpha would be a better use of resources as people can easily use that to converge ?? https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=local+time+UTC [13:49] hi everybody === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community,Foundations,Client,Cloud & Server | Ubuntu Status Tracker | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21695/ubuntu-status-tracker-1305/ [13:51] Welcome to another day of UDS :D [13:52] fisch246: Is this starting now ? [13:52] delftgate354: in about 10 minutes yes [13:53] Crums, I've all over Kixi trying to get a proper channel :> [13:54] \ [14:01] who is interested in joining this session? [14:01] o/ good luck with that .. but i only have one question .. [14:02] delftgate354, go ahead :) [14:04] QUESTION :: For the *fridge dates given* , would it be possible to suggest that the use of wolframalpha would be a better use of resources as people can easily use that to converge ?? https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=local+time+UTC [14:05] delftgate354, the topic of this session is http://status.ubuntu.com/ - are we talking about the same thing? [14:06] no [14:06] ok [14:07] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html [14:07] can you forward this to jono for me anyway ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667727/ [14:08] dholbach: ^ can you forward this to jono anyway ? ^ [14:08] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-community-ubuntu-13.04-month-6.html [14:09] delftgate354, is that for the fridge calendar? I'm not sure if Jono is the best person to tackle this [14:09] you could try mailing the people on this list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team) maybe [14:09] opening .. [14:10] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/canonical-community-ubuntu-13.04-month-6.html [14:10] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html [14:10] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html [14:10] sorry I can't join the hangout, guys, I have a baby singing here [14:10] singing in a death metal sense [14:10] anyone else who wants to be part of the hangout? [14:11] jonobacon: want to provide feedback here then? [14:11] cjohnston: yeah I will do [14:11] cjohnston: although I think you have a pretty good idea of my feedback currently [14:12] +1 on multiple-cycle work tracking [14:13] I would like to see blueprints not tied to a release cycle, but just be a project with milestones for each release [14:15] my concern is a blueprint that takes longer than a release then has to have a new blueprint created to continue tracking the work, which seems wasteful [14:16] it is not a big deal, I am just thinking in terms of efficiency [14:16] you don't really have to create a new BP though, do you [14:16] you can just retarget the existing one? [14:16] you can retarget the existing one but I think that breaks the old burndown if you retarget too early [14:16] or is the issue that you might lose data for the previous cycle [14:17] ok, [14:18] cjohnston: you are balling with the cash, don't deny it [14:18] ;-) [14:19] lol [14:20] jonobacon, incidentally - did you ever get your guitar-shaped swimming pool expensed? :-) [14:21] there's an idea... i vote next UDS should be in a pool and hot tub === olli_ is now known as olli [14:22] does somebody have a link for a good example on the upcoming work view handy [14:22] olli: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/+upcomingwork [14:23] Plans for documentation and positioning of the development release ( Foundations ) [14:23] lool, are you referencing that ^ ? [14:23] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-development-release-planning [14:26] rickspencer3: yes [14:26] thanks lool [14:26] :) [14:26] I think we can anticipate this by targeting blueprints to a single release in a new launchpad project [14:26] it's just hte blueprint about the not rolling release rolling release [14:27] cjohnston, ack [14:27] I guess we might want to discuss how work item tracking is impacted in that session [14:27] cjohnston, you might want to sit in on it [14:29] sounds good [14:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto [14:30] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/about.html [14:33] rickspencer3: jonobacon do you have thoughts about that? [14:34] cjohnston, I kind of lost track, I am paying attention to multiple sessions :/ [14:35] dholbach: OK I've contacted akgraner ( I know she's also on y!outu.be) on the mailing list .. thank-you. [14:36] I'm proposing one or two teams to be guinea pigs for some code changes to the WI tracker; we would use a single series to track all blueprints [14:36] delftgate354, perfect [14:36] o/ [14:36] I heard my name :) [14:36] the reports would be based on all blueprints for the upcoming n months of milestones for that series [14:36] what matters to me is: [14:37] 1. the EMs (or whatever leader, for instance a community member) can plan their work effectively [14:37] Where is the hangout youtube page: for this session ? [14:37] delftgate354, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21695/ubuntu-status-tracker-1305/ [14:37] ty [14:37] 2. teams can easily track their burndowns [14:37] 3. the work items and progress are transparent (i.e. easy to find, and folks can see the status) [14:38] cjohnston, lool ^ does that make sense? [14:38] whether they are targeted to releases, etc... I think should be about how those 3 things would be impacted [14:38] rickspencer3: +1 [14:39] I would like to recommend this work is done at status.u.c too as opposed to LP as the changes can be revved faster [14:39] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/unity-ui-team.html [14:39] right now we have some duplicatation in LP and status.u.c [14:40] dholbach, Does this need an (!)action ? I think it does .. [14:40] delftgate354, but not in this session - we're talking about something else here :/ [14:40] delftgate354: So .. no (!)actions will be taken here ? [14:41] dholbach: So no (!)actions will be taken here ? [14:42] delftgate354, this session is just about status.ubuntu.com I'm afraid [14:43] jonobacon: what do you mean by duplication? are you referring to +upcomingwork? [14:43] I think olli is saying that #2 and #3 in my list are idiosyncratic [14:43] dholbach(!) .. Yes, I was taking about the 3wiki -pages .. (!)actions are needed to make this session successfull .. [14:43] leaves. [14:43] cjohnston: yep [14:43] I agree with lool, we want both [14:43] jonobacon: yes [14:43] custom views, but also, standard views that we have transparency [14:44] if you have to have special knowledge about how a team works to understand their blueprints, it's not really transparent [14:45] rickspencer3, that is lool's point, and I agree to that [14:45] olli, ack [14:46] rickspencer3 but I in a project manager role might be more interested in a view that shows me all postponed WI from milestone Foo from (developer x,y,z) [14:46] rick, when I refer to custom views, I'm thinking about drop down boxes where I can say I want: team A, B and D over timespan of X [14:46] and that might be different for another project manager role [14:47] (I think we're all on the same page and strongly agreeing :-) [14:48] cjohnston, that sounds great [14:48] my point was that if the standard views don't actually reflect what a team is doing/working on, then it's not really transparent [14:49] the standard views would probably stay similiar to how they are now [14:49] cjohnston, right, so teams need to have some standardization in how they work to ensure that the standard views are meaningful [14:49] standard views are mandatory and need to be used in a concise way across the board [14:50] the rest is optional for different roles, imho [14:51] jonobacon: did we miss other features/issues you wanted to see discussed? [14:54] that would be very useful === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Ubuntu on Air! Discussion | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21762/community-1305-ubuntuonair/ [15:06] who wants to be part of this discussion? do you want to join in on the hangout? [15:11] JoseeAntonioR: [15:22] anyone else who wants to be part of this discussion? do you want to join in on the hangout? [15:22] Should the ubuntu-classroom team be asked if they would like to take this on rather than having a separate team for ubuntu-onair? [15:23] QUESTION: ^^^ [15:53] QUESTION: If we were to go with the UDS approach I'd still like to see the ubuntu-on-air ical calendar generated? [16:00] Not enough money generated to balance off the criticism it'll generate to monetize the video. === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Community Roundtable | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21731/community-roundtable/ [16:01] alright, I.d like an invite to the roundtable hangout [16:01] rrnwexec, welcome to the channel [16:01] thanks [16:01] And I'm willing to join in today (smkellat@gmail.com) [16:01] ready to join when you guys/gals are [16:02] I would too [16:02] rrnwexec: nice post on statelessness [16:04] i can't really provide much input for today's roundtable, so i'll just stay in the irc [16:07] Where is some public domain hold music when you need it? [16:07] :-) [16:07] if anyone wants to join the hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/18201e297a06a868d6e3c70072ae59cf2708f8a0?authuser=0&hl=en [16:17] if I'm not wrong, the DVD cover/artwork is on the advocacy kit, but this artwork is no more produced to go with the ISO, how we plan to fix that ? [16:20] We want more table cloth for my team ^^ [16:28] For the sake of discussion, here is the transcript of the last educational session we conducted for Ubuntu Ohio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/IRC20130128 [16:36] can we add the locoteams logo too ? === jzheng is now known as jzheng_afk [16:43] rrnwexec: knome already has this merge for you to consider: https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/uak/xubuntu-logo/+merge/164001 [16:43] thanks! [16:45] youtube-dl ftw ;) [16:45] rickspencer3: Purportedly gpodder works for such as well, too [16:45] nice [16:57] The page could say "Got a great idea? Send an email to Randal" [16:58] +1 [16:59] closing ok, but breaking all the existing links ont internet pointing to brainstorm can be a problem too [16:59] YoBoY: Breakage happens on the Internet. Stability has never been assured. [16:59] (links to ideas on brainstorm) [17:00] skellat, sure, but there is a clean way to break links I think :) === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/community-2/ - http://ubottu.com/udslog/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2 [17:00] (forwards, banner on top of a read only site, …) [17:01] thanks [17:53] peterm-ubuntu: if I'm right in remembering you as the website guy - the website session is in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 today :) [17:53] if you're not you can safely ignore me :) [17:53] elfy hi… yes, I am still here from last night! [17:54] oh - that'll be why then :p [17:54] now I am in 1 as well [17:54] I'm not even sure why I'm here :) === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Growing a strong translation community | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21802/community-1305-growing-a-strong-translation-community/ [17:56] yea i am right ;) [17:58] elfy thanks for pointing me in the right direction [17:58] welcome [18:02] issue with knowing how to join the hangout [18:06] we're waiting for the hangout link [18:06] they should paste it soon [18:08] teolemon_: okey so i wait ;) [18:08] I don't have it either yet [18:09] 18:09 ;) [18:10] it's me but with web interface [18:10] on community-1 it alrady had started ;) [18:10] huh? [18:10] it's another topic [18:11] Community Website [18:11] balloons do you have the hangout link ? [18:12] (he should be the host for our channel) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [18:12] teolemon_, howdy.. no hangout for you? [18:12] I can kick it off sure [18:13] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en [18:13] Should be starting very soon [18:14] ok, I am waiting in the hangout [18:14] same [18:14] ok, so https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en [18:15] please join up, I'll host, but I'm muted/vid off [18:16] I only see Nicholas Skaggs [18:16] is anyone able to join the hangout and lead the session? [18:17] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en [18:17] you actually have to click on the link [18:17] you can't join from this page [18:18] ok I shall start the cast [18:19] everything should be live now: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6629df662676d64c9f79798ae9e320e700200a91a8?authuser=2&hl=en [18:20] if the hangout isn't working / isn't needed, you guys can simply use this channel to have your meeting [18:21] ballock: yes i can the hangout [18:21] so it works [18:21] H. Lafebar I hear you [18:22] yes [18:22] i can hear you [18:23] The sound comes and goes. [18:23] hi [18:23] ballock: yes [18:23] fkol_k4, teolemon_, we can just use IRC [18:23] if you can't get the hangout to work [18:24] balloons: i can hear you [18:24] IRC is ok by me;-) [18:25] we can't hear the voice, only the chair moving and the keyboard :p [18:26] and other noises ... [18:26] hi godbyk: [18:26] hannie: Hi. I'm just hanging out with you guys while I wait for the next session to start. :) [18:26] ok, I will join the docs session as well [18:27] this hangout isn't working Iḿ afraid [18:27] you are alone I think, if it's balloons the other person he said is mute/vid off [18:27] my connexion is going crazy [18:28] I closed the hangout as it seems to not work for folks [18:28] hannie: I can hear you (I assume) asking if Jack can say something. But beyong that I can only hear typing on a keyboard and some horrible noise. [18:28] i'm trying to rejoin [18:28] just utilize IRC :-) [18:28] oops, why don't we just chat? [18:28] you've got 30 mins left to chat [18:29] so is there no »Growing a strong translation community« now ? [18:29] lol [18:29] godbyk: I have no idea why this isn't working [18:30] yes we hear you [18:31] yes we hear you [18:31] YoBoY: who do you hear? [18:31] someone talking ^^ [18:31] don't know the name [18:31] a man's voice? [18:31] woman [18:32] Ah, I think I am the only one you can hear. Where are the others? [18:32] yes, you are alone like I said [18:32] your not live [18:32] It's lonely at the top :) [18:32] teolemon_, have connection problems, and noone else joined the hangout [18:32] All i can hear is some typing. [18:33] Well, in the meantime, do you have the roadmap ready? [18:33] https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Xzp6depA75AZ7m5M8y29AJarrjWHi7GR0efF8xrBA4/edit#heading=h.7ogdjmtk0rin [18:34] I can hear the question 'can anyone hear me?' [18:34] very very intersting session [18:34] fkol_k4: I'm afraid my phrase is repeating itself. No idea how to stop it [18:35] let's give up on hangout [18:35] and do this on irc [18:35] +1 [18:35] hannie, just quit the hangout and join again perhaps [18:35] hannie: lol, better than nothing:-D [18:35] +1 [18:35] so basically [18:36] we've made a detailed roadmap [18:36] ok, I quit the hangout [18:36] there's still to stuff to sort out [18:36] but he need to focus on 3 things [18:36] how to capture new members [18:36] how to make them grow into fully fledged translators [18:36] and how to avoid loosing them [18:37] the problem is that #1 is not working [18:37] #2 is somewhat working [18:37] and #3 costs us many good people [18:37] who move on to other things [18:37] because there's a feeling we're not making progress [18:38] we're unsupported [18:38] and so on [18:38] Isn't it the responsibility of the local translation teams to find translators and guide newcomers? [18:38] it's always good to feel you're part of something that's working well [18:38] I'd say yes [18:39] hannie: the german team think like that [18:39] but it's not only the role of local teams [18:39] I think Ubuntu translators should help local teams [18:39] we all make mistakes [18:39] as an individual [18:39] as a team [18:39] but the more individuals [18:39] and the more teams [18:39] the less we make mistakes [18:39] and the more we can learn from one another [18:40] good practises are fragmented between teams [18:40] there's incredible stuff from the hr team [18:40] the nl team [18:40] but other teams might not use it. [18:40] The idea of the roadmap [18:41] is to make sure we communicate often and well [18:41] I see Ubuntu Translators as the coordinating team, helping local teams to solve technical issues etc. [18:41] and share those practises [18:41] providing the ressources for local teams [18:41] and mutualizing effort [18:41] hannie: +1 [18:41] something that works in a team should be shared with others [18:42] we're not going to rewrite 160 different guidelines [18:42] any thoughts on that ? [18:42] any divergences ? [18:43] I suggest we find people to staff the ubuntu Translators team [18:43] What do you mean by 'ressources' for a translation team? [18:43] Once we have a group of enthousiastic people, this group can tackle the roadmap. What do you think? [18:43] ubuntu translators is more an empty shell, there is no clear lead. Perhaps we can create a board to lead all the teams, follow this roadmap and mae things appen ? [18:43] we should try and do a spreasheet of what we have [18:44] for instance [18:44] French team [18:44] o/ [18:44] we have we have a list of ubuntu-specific packages [18:44] that's up to date [18:44] we have a good deck of slides [18:44] regarding translations [18:44] and so on [18:45] we have content on topic 1 [18:45] 2 or 3 [18:45] YoBoY [18:45] it's not an empty shell [18:45] there are translation coordinators [18:45] sorry :p [18:45] so, we need people to coordinate those things [18:45] teolemon_: who? [18:45] (I was accepted today by the way) [18:45] so me [18:46] congrats :) [18:46] to begin with :-) [18:46] nice, teolemon_: congratulations [18:46] and it's not only about the coordinators [18:46] they have very specific powers [18:46] is there a list of paople [18:47] it's about mapping ressources in each team [18:47] as well as best practises [18:47] So why not ask all local team leads to join? [18:47] see which one we can mutualize to execute [18:47] on the roadmap [18:47] ideally [18:47] yes [18:47] I'd want for each strong team a point of contact [18:48] that's why we're going to do a HealthCheck [18:48] UbuPhillup, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators [18:48] which will be a simple survey [18:48] to see what is done in each team [18:48] what they have [18:48] YoBoY: okey thanks [18:48] what they use and don't use [18:48] etc [18:49] we'll get a clear idea of which team are actives [18:49] how many people, how many technical people… [18:50] then [18:50] teolemon_, a team contact like for the locoteams with the loco council ? [18:50] once we map out the content and ressources [18:50] yes, we have a list [18:50] with "we" you mean the current Translations coordinators? [18:51] everybody [18:51] translation coordinators are… [18:51] coordinators [18:51] they just have administrative prerogatives on launchpad [18:51] and forward bugs [18:51] to the right people [18:52] the work is done by anyone willing to take a little time each week [18:52] perhaps like the locoteams "approval process" you/wa can make an healthcheck on some translation teams on each cycle… [18:52] no approval process [18:52] but we'll be doing regular healthchecks [18:52] yes [18:52] ok, that's a good starting point [18:53] so going back [18:53] once we map out the content and ressources [18:53] we need to decide what we're going to standardize on [18:53] set OKRs for all teams [18:53] all teams should be aware and promote the stats tool [18:54] all teams should have a point of contact [18:54] etc [18:54] obviously, it's a stretch goal [18:54] OKRs? [18:54] OKRs? [18:54] objectives [18:54] (and key results) [18:54] basically [18:54] we aim at 80% of teams using Nightmonkey [18:54] and so on [18:55] so basically a measurable objective [18:55] we need to define those as a group [18:55] based on what we want to achieve in the roadmap. [18:55] so to wrap up: [18:56] Nightmonkey is only for DDTP, right. Or can it handle other things? [18:56] only for the DDTP [18:56] ok [18:56] it was just an example [18:56] 1. We need to launch the health survey [18:56] 2. Get the results [18:57] 3. Define in a future weekly meeting what we want to achieve based on the answers [18:57] 4. Start executing [18:57] We'll talk tomorrow in hopefully a better session about [18:57] weekly? that's too much [18:57] biweekly [18:57] typo [18:57] sorry [18:58] teolemon_: a irc meeting or hangout? [18:58] the portal [18:58] and the technical means to achieve this [18:58] no more hangouts for me, thank you..... [18:58] We actually had a good hangout on Friday [18:58] IRC or hangout is fine with me [18:58] hangout brings more lively discussions [18:59] You could ask via the mailing list who prefers what [18:59] yes [18:59] and why [18:59] can we still talk ? [18:59] yes :-D [18:59] I think so [19:00] or we can go to #ubuntu-translators [19:00] yes === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Weekly Community Q+A Hangout | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21799/qa/ [19:00] i think that's a good idea [19:00] teolemon_: why didn't the other Translations coordinators join this session? [19:00] we're expelled of the room anyway [19:00] ok [19:00] let's convene in ubuntu-translators [19:01] see you there [19:05] hi [19:06] o/ [19:06] do I need to log into Launchpad to see the thing or not? [19:06] I guess not [19:06] ftr, that is jono's incredibly loud keyboard [19:07]