[13:55] <Daviey> Who is here for the Server QA session?
[13:58] <pitti> jamespage: is there a hangout slot for me for QA for server seeded pkgs?
[13:58] <jamespage> pitti, yes
[13:59] <jamespage> pm'ed
[13:59] <jibel> pitti, jamespage do you need me too in the hangout?
[13:59] <Daviey> thanks jamespage
[13:59] <jamespage> jibel, please
[14:00] <jibel> joining
[14:02] <zul> am i in the right channel?
[14:03] <jamespage> you are
[14:04] <pitti> Daviey is really hard to understand, is that just me?
[14:04] <pitti> (stuttering sound)
[14:04] <pitti> other folks sound fine
[14:05] <rbasak> Stream is now live.
[14:06] <rbasak> Daviey: please announce that the stream is live and give us a chance to join before you start? Otherwise we always miss the first minute.
[14:06] <Daviey> rbasak: Ok, we started 3 mins late as is. But ok
[14:07] <rbasak> Daviey: it's even worse if it's starting late, because then nobody knows when the start actually is in order to refresh the stream page.
[14:07] <rbasak> (when it says the stream is about to start, it actually doesn't work until the user refreshes the page)
[14:08] <Daviey> pitti: My internal mic in't very good.  Using external now
[14:08] <Daviey> rbasak: ugh, i thought it auto refreshed
[14:09] <rbasak> Daviey: yeah. It doesn't. AIUI, I'm not the only one.
[14:10] <Daviey> rbasak: ok, thanks.
[14:11] <rbasak> Am I the only one struggling to hear pitti? He sounds very muffled.
[14:12] <Daviey> rbasak: he does indeed.
[14:12] <Daviey> not much we can do now.
[14:13] <mahmoh> rbasak: I'm with you, he sounds distant
[14:14] <rbasak> For multi-node, is dep8 in scope?
[14:15] <zul> if you have a question can prefix QUESTION before it thanks
[14:16] <pitti> rbasak: sorry, I have this problem all the time (that and having a terrible lag)
[14:16] <pitti> rbasak: multi-node> not really now; you can of course set up containers in your test if you need to, but that might be too limited
[14:17] <jamespage> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master/files/head:/scripts/
[14:29] <rbasak> I'm sorry, I can't hear pitti. My problem was that both times I tried to write dep8 tests in the last cycle, I couldn't find documentation for this workflow, which I feel is essential to get us writing more tests.
[14:29] <zul> im good
[14:30] <Daviey> rbasak: yolanda is bit of an expert on dep8 now.  She might be able to offer some direction outside this.
[14:31] <rbasak> I also found and filed bug 1175557 as an example of my struggle in writing these tests.
[14:31] <udsbotu> Ubuntu bug 1175557 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "adt-run fulfills dependencies with --built-tree contrary to the manpage" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175557
[14:31] <jamespage> rbasak, pitti indicated that these use cases are already covered - docs and offline ping to resolve
[14:31] <yolanda> rbasak, i have a set of slides that can be useful
[14:31] <yolanda> i can send you
[14:31] <rbasak> Thanks, that'll be useful.
[14:34] <pitti> rbasak: you probably want --no-built-binaries for that
[14:34] <pitti> rbasak: but the wrapper scripts (run-adt-test) already DTRT there
[14:36] <rbasak> pitti: I am looking at adt-run(1) and I still don't understand it. Some documented examples for my workflow would be nice :)
[14:38] <rbasak> plars: could we perhaps standardize on test names for this?
[14:38] <rbasak> --help tests could just be called smoke-help, for example, and then we could easily analyze coverage quality
[14:40] <Daviey> rbasak: well, --help doesn't /always/ make sense.. like sbuild it would probably suck for, as it bounces you to manpage
[14:40] <rbasak> pitti: can I suggest that you type in here? Your mike is really that bad - sorry.
[14:40] <pitti> well, the test names should certainly make sense
[14:40] <pitti> not sure whether we need a global list of test names
[14:40] <rbasak> We could recommend test names for certain types of test
[14:40] <pitti> argh, put the mike into the wrong plug
[14:41] <pitti> I hope it'll be better now
[14:41] <rbasak> I called my facter test that just ran facter and checks one result "smoke"
[14:41] <rbasak> (yet to be uploaded)
[14:42] <rbasak> Daviey: +1
[14:42] <rbasak> details can be sorted out :)
[14:43] <rbasak> pitti: much better. Thanks!
[14:43] <rbasak> (apart from the dropouts :-/
[14:49] <rbasak> How much benefit would we get from doing this more than once per cycle?
[14:50] <rbasak> It would be nice to see some focus on writing dep8 tests at the same time as resolving bugs which might have been detected by them.
[14:52] <pitti> yes, this should be a permanent process of course
[14:54] <rbasak> That makes sense.
[14:54] <rbasak> We can encourage it for server package fixes though, right?
[14:54] <rbasak> (not that we're not already)
[14:54] <Daviey> rbasak: sure
[14:54] <Daviey> encourage.. where possible
[14:54] <jamespage> any other questions?
[14:55] <jamespage> ...
[14:55] <jamespage> ..
[14:55] <jamespage> .
[15:05] <Daviey> Who is here for the fast path install session ?
[15:06] <rbasak> o/
[15:06] <Daviey> rbasak: wanna join the inner circle?
[15:06] <Daviey> starting now
[15:07]  * rbasak gets his mike out
[15:09] <Daviey> anyone else here for this session?
[15:10] <dbarth> do you have a link to the etherpad with instructions? the one i have here is empty
[15:10] <smoser> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-servercloud-r-fastpath-install
[15:11] <dbarth> thanks
[15:11] <dbarth> cool, seeing it now
[15:15] <Daviey> For the person with the biggest headset in the world, it seems to have the most useless mic. :)
[15:15] <Daviey> roaksoax: ^
[15:15] <roaksoax> Daviey: lol not the mic... but the configuration of the machine :)
[15:16] <Daviey> rbasak: Are you joining?
[15:17] <rbasak> Daviey: I can, but I have no comment.
[15:18] <bladernr> what kind of speed improvements have you seen with standing up a machine this way vs traditional installation?
[15:19] <Daviey> bladernr: will add that question after this.
[15:20] <bladernr> Daviey: thank, it's not necessarily topical, just a curiostiy
[15:21] <stokachu_uds> i can see it
[15:22] <Daviey> stokachu_uds: uh?
[15:23] <bladernr> wow, awesome :)
[15:24] <stokachu_uds> what are you verifying
[15:25] <Daviey> stokachu_uds: I'm struggling to fit your comments around context
[15:26] <stokachu_uds> sorry im broken
[15:29] <dbarth> smoser: would you consider an image format similar to the binary system image updates being worked on on the client side?
[15:29] <dbarth> or would that be duplicating the cloud image scheme?
[15:30] <smoser> link?
[15:31] <dbarth> Daviey: right
[15:33] <dbarth> ok
[15:33] <dbarth> right, this may not make that much sense after all
[15:33] <Daviey> dbarth: thanks :)
[15:33] <Daviey> any other qUEsTIONS?
[15:33] <Daviey> err
[15:33] <Daviey> that wasn't 3l33t case
[15:33] <smoser> daviey is always L33t
[15:35] <Daviey> shall we end then?
[15:35] <Daviey> ..
[15:35] <Daviey> .
[15:36] <smoser> end
[15:37] <Daviey> thanks all
[16:05] <Daviey> anyone else here for the saucy/havana charm session here?
[16:05] <Daviey> strating now.
[16:06]  * wedgwood is
[16:11] <wedgwood> adam_g: that's been created lp:charm-helpers
[16:11] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/charm-helpers
[16:17] <wedgwood> sorry had to drop out - getting pulled into another task
[16:20] <jamespage> adam_g, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[17:59] <Daviey> Anyone here for mysql session?
[18:00] <mattgriffin> Daviey: aye
[18:00] <stewart> Daviey, yes, hi!
[18:00] <Daviey> mattgriffin / stewart: hey, can you introduce yourselves ?
[18:01] <Daviey> (starting shortly)
[18:01] <stewart> Daviey, sure. is there going to be a hangout or just IRC?
[18:02] <Daviey> stewart: there is indeed a hangout.
[18:02] <Daviey> stewart: please introduce yourself :)
[18:02]  * stewart is Stewart Smith, Director of Software Architecture at Percona.
[18:03] <Daviey> stewart / mattgriffi: you have invites :)
[18:03] <jdstrand> fyi, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21746/servercloud-s-database-alternatives/ does not have a video feed
[18:03]  * mattgriffin is Matt Griffin, Director of Product Management at Percona.
[18:03] <Daviey> jdstrand: not quitr started, still trying to get the inner cricle people reorganised
[18:03] <SpamapS> o/
[18:03] <zul> jdstrand:  thats ok you dont want to see my ugly face
[18:03] <jdstrand> ok
[18:03] <jdstrand> hehe
[18:05] <Daviey> we are online now
[18:06]  * stewart joined into Hangout
[18:06] <stewart> everyone has a cool title except me :)
[18:06] <adam_g> is there a direct URL for the video feed? not showing up for me embedded
[18:06] <yolanda> also not to me
[18:06]  * jdstrand either
[18:07] <ptl> I can't seem to find anything about Percona Server license. Is it completely GPL?
[18:07] <jdstrand> ah, there it is
[18:07] <yolanda> works now
[18:07] <Daviey> jdstrand: refresh?
[18:07] <Daviey> super
[18:09] <stewart> ptl, yes, 100% GPL
[18:10] <ptl> stewart: thanks
[18:15] <jdstrand> mysql-cluster was yes
[18:15] <jdstrand> it did fall into disrepair
[18:15] <jdstrand> or rather, dis-maintained :)
[18:16]  * jdstrand is talking about its state in Ubuntu, not upstream
[18:18] <Daviey> SpamapS: I wanted to work on Openstack but the entry barier of contrib agreement.. :P
[18:19] <stewart> ptl, (if you could point me to where you were looking for license, i'd love to ensure it's clearer so that a future person like you finds it easily)
[18:24] <Daviey> brb
[18:24] <smoser> this live event is over
[18:24] <smoser> thanks for watching
[18:24] <Daviey> wait
[18:24] <smoser> Daviey, ^
[18:24] <Daviey> zul: explain
[18:25] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-servercloud-s-database-alternatives
[18:25] <zul> Daviey:  uh?
[18:25] <roaksoax> Daviey: the fid died
[18:25] <roaksoax> feed
[18:25] <roaksoax> zul: ^^
[18:25] <yolanda> video lost
[18:25] <jdstrand> yep. reload pulls up the saved feed, not the live one
[18:25] <smoser> boo
[18:25] <ptl> stewart: I went there -> http://www.percona.com/software/percona-server -> couldn't find mention of 'license' in the page, then I went to 'Frequently Asked Questions' and couldn't find it either
[18:26] <stewart> ptl, thanks - i'll go and get someone to fix that
[18:26] <ptl> thanks
[18:26] <zul> feed died
[18:26] <stewart> rbasak, got this when trying to get to the pad "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."
[18:27] <rbasak> stewart: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5668472/ are the questions I asked on the pad
[18:27] <Daviey> back online
[18:27] <Daviey> refresh
[18:28] <rbasak> stewart: I think you may need to go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad and add yourself as a member.
[18:28] <Daviey> Apologies for the interuption, the hangout ended abruptly - and we had to restart.
[18:30]  * stewart trying...
[18:33] <rbasak> zul: are you proposing to drop mysql from main at some point? S? T? Or beyond that?
[18:33] <jdstrand> erf, the feed!!
[18:34] <rbasak> mdeslaur: any implications for multiple upstreams in main?
[18:34] <jdstrand> "We'll be right back"
[18:34] <yolanda> same to me
[18:34] <jamespage> jdstrand, snap
[18:34] <rbasak> Daviey: ^^
[18:34] <jdstrand> it's back now
[18:34] <zul> rbasak:  up coming lts mysql in universe percona or mariadb in main
[18:34] <mdeslaur> rbasak: yes, that would put considerable strain on the security team. Updating mysql is a big process, we wouldn't want to have to do that for more than one of those.
[18:35] <mdeslaur> rbasak: we need to choose and support one.
[18:35] <rbasak> OK, got it and noted in the pad. Thanks.
[18:38] <mdeslaur> rbasak: I think getting a microrelease exception is probably a no-brainer, since we've been pretty much updating versions for security updates anyway
[18:38] <mdeslaur> so it shouldn't be hard to get
[18:41] <SpamapS> last LTS has mysql 5.5 so should be ok for 14.04
[18:43] <jamespage> SpamapS, +1
[18:43] <jamespage> (no main switches this cycle)
[18:47] <rbasak> Daviey: would you mind confirming the work items I proposed and finding people willing to drive each one, please?
[18:47] <rbasak> Looks like you're on it :)
[18:48] <Daviey> rbasak: thanks :)
[18:49] <Daviey> jamespage: wanna join inner circle?
[18:49] <jamespage> Daviey, no - I'm good (you only have 10 mins left)
[18:49] <Daviey> ta
[18:51] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668568/ is the output of apt-rdepends --reverse mysql-server
[18:52] <jdstrand> fyi, we had mysql-cluster-7.0 at one point (it is in universe in 10.04), but it was dropped prior to 12.04
[18:52] <Daviey> AlanBell: thanks, please add it to the etherpad?
[18:52] <rbasak> We have seven minutes left. Can we get some names against the work items, please?
[18:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: more important that we know "what" than "who"
[18:54] <Daviey> stewart: do you have a Launchpad id?
[18:54] <rbasak> SpamapS: sure - I'd like to see some down and complete rather than increasing our scope and not having anyone driving anything though.
[18:54] <stewart> Daviey, launchpad is "stewart" :)
[18:54] <Daviey> easy :)
[18:55] <jamespage> Daviey, I don't thing that is a priority
[18:55] <mdeslaur> uhm, I didn't volunteer for my microrelease exception
[18:55] <jamespage> (mysql-cluster)
[18:56] <Daviey> mdeslaur: Oh sorry, i thought above you did
[18:58]  * nwl waves
[18:58] <jamespage> hey nwl - just wrapping up on mysql alternatives...
[19:00] <ryeng> ok, that looks more like what I thought I heard. :-)
[19:01] <ryeng> yes, please share pain points with us!
[19:02] <stewart> thanks all!
[19:02] <Daviey> thanks all,
[19:02] <rbasak> ryeng: SpamapS is kindly summarising the pain points in the pad. Can you see the pad OK?
[19:02] <jamespage> cheerio
[19:02] <Daviey> mdeslaur: ^
[19:02] <ryeng> yes
[19:03] <Daviey> (Sorry to end abruptly, have another session scheduled)
[19:03] <jamespage> Daviey, sageweil and nwl will need the G+ link for the next session
[19:03] <mdeslaur> ok, looking at it now
[19:03] <scuttlemonkey> should the streaming be up on the /servercloud-s-ceph/ page?
[19:03] <Daviey> jamespage: can you pass it to them please?
[19:04] <Daviey> jamespage: will be 2 mins
[19:04] <jamespage> scuttlemonkey, in a few  minutes - do you want to join the g+ as well?
[19:04] <scuttlemonkey> happy to if you think it's helpful...doubt I'll have much to say on dev matters though
[19:04] <jamespage> scuttlemonkey, sure - well feel free to jump in if you want to.
[19:06] <SpamapS> good notes in the pad :)
[19:06] <scuttlemonkey> jamespage: fair enough
[19:07] <Daviey> Starting shortly
[19:07] <Daviey> anyone else need to be in fish bowl
[19:07] <Daviey> ?
[19:11] <smoser> stream seems paused.
[19:11] <smoser> Daviey, at least for me
[19:11] <Daviey> smoser: trying here
[19:11] <scuttleweb> smoser: seems ok to me, at around 2:00
[19:12] <Daviey> smoser: seems to be working here
[19:12] <smoser> yeah, beter now.
[19:12] <Daviey> smoser: do join the inner circle if you want
[19:16] <Daviey> nwl: Not now, but another time - i'd love to learn how you chaps are going to address the key exchange problem.
[19:18] <scuttleweb> "an error occurred" on video stream for anyone else?
[19:18] <Daviey> scuttleweb: refresh?
[19:19] <scuttleweb> yeah, just kicked it to another window w/ native youtube instead of embed
[19:27] <nwl> http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/01Roadmap/Schedule
[19:33] <dosaboy> what's the state of the ceph-ceploy tool
[19:33] <dosaboy> last time I asked we were between mkcephfs and ceph-deploy
[19:33] <dosaboy> mkcephfs being "broken" and ceph-deploy-deploy "not ready"
[19:33] <dosaboy> ceph-deploy even
[19:33] <dosaboy> my mic is broken
[19:34] <dosaboy> cool thanks
[19:44] <dosaboy> http://ceph.com/docs/master/radosgw/swift/
[19:47] <Daviey> Any other questions?
[19:47] <jamespage> any other questions from channel?
[19:47] <jamespage> ..
[19:47] <jamespage> ...
[19:47] <jamespage> ...
[19:48] <dosaboy> jamespage: seem to remember you mentioning concerns around dependency on fastcgi module in radosgw at last UDS
[19:49] <dosaboy> is that something we should follow up on?
[19:49] <jamespage> dosaboy, yeah -we discussed that
[19:49] <dosaboy> ah :)
[19:49] <dosaboy> my fault for being late