[00:49] <ali1234> ~info dieharder
[00:50] <ali1234> !info dieharder
[00:50] <lubotu3`> dieharder (source: dieharder): Random-number generator test front-end. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.31.1-4 (quantal), package size 252 kB, installed size 857 kB
[05:25] <kaushal> Hi
[05:25] <kaushal> How do i focus pidgin window on Ubuntu 13.04 raring running unity whenever any buddy contact me?
[07:49] <MooDoo> morning
[07:49] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:49] <SuperMatt> JamesTait: could you let us know what day it is already?
[07:55] <popey> hah
[08:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:21] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:24] <MooDoo> morning morning
[08:28] <SuperMatt> so that Mir video looked pretty amazing, right?
[08:31] <mungbean> ok the about:memory page on firefox is hanging my machine...not good
[08:31] <SuperMatt> my prediction: slashdot new article uploaded, stating that the phone interface is running for now, but the desktop interface is still to come, then slashdotters will comment about how terrible it will be to have a windows 8 style interface without actually reading the article
[08:31] <mungbean> most g+ers didn't read the bit about phablet
[08:32] <mungbean> and complained about windows 8 instead
[08:33] <SuperMatt> indeed
[08:33] <SuperMatt> I'm just looking at that now
[08:33] <popey> meh
[08:33] <SuperMatt> it is remarkable how quickly people just to conclusions
[08:33] <popey> people in "don't read or listen" non-shocker
[08:34] <SuperMatt> heh
[08:34] <dwatkins> which video am I missing?
[08:34] <SuperMatt> the problem is that it just fuels the haters even more when they see misinformed comments
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy International Day of Families! :-D
[08:38] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, just for you. ;)
[08:38] <SuperMatt> thanks babe
[08:38]  * JamesTait blushes
[08:41] <SuperMatt> wait, I forget people in here are real life friends
[08:41] <SuperMatt> I can't get away with this sort of stuff
[08:48] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, what sort of stuff?
[08:51] <SuperMatt> calling you babe
[08:52] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, oh I wouldn't worry about it.  My wife is used to it.
[08:53] <christel> morning cutesiecakes
[08:53] <JamesTait> christel, good morning dahling!
[08:53]  * JamesTait air-kisses christel
[08:53] <christel> how art thou my pretty? :)
[08:54] <mungbean> what's happening in here today ?!?!
[08:54] <JamesTait> Very well, thank you my sweet.  In the right frame of mind for seriously kicking some arse.  And you?
[08:54]  * popey hugs JamesTait 
[08:54]  * JamesTait hugs popey back
[08:55] <JamesTait> mungbean, do you feel the love in the room?
[08:55] <christel> arse kicking is always good :D
[08:55] <andylockran> anyone use vagrant with puppet server?
[08:55] <christel> i am well! doing a spot of work before i have to head off to guildford for a growth scan to see how the small person is getting on :)
[08:56] <mungbean> \o/
[08:56] <JamesTait> Woohoo!
[08:56] <christel> (however, i dont trust their computers...)
[08:56] <JamesTait> Very wise.
[08:57] <christel> it calculated david at 7lbs... two days later he was born
[08:57] <christel> and weighed 9 1/2 lbs
[08:57]  * popey flashes his nexus 4 to latest daily ubuntu touch
[08:57] <christel> this time i have decided to add 5lbs to any weight estimate provided by them
[08:57] <christel> just to be on the safe side
[08:57] <popey> wait what..
[08:57] <JamesTait> popey, I'm not *at all* jealous.
[08:57] <SuperMatt> christel: that's what you get for trusting useless computers!
[08:57] <popey> have you another bun in the oven christel ?
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I don't know why people bother with them
[08:57] <christel> popey: haha yes, a GIRL apparently
[08:58] <popey> \o/ Girls are great!
[08:58] <christel> i hope she is still a girl as i have purchased "all the dresses"
[08:58] <christel> :)
[08:58] <JamesTait> christel, we were all girls at some point.
[08:58] <popey> FACT!
[08:58] <christel> due date august 11th (tho if she is like her brother she'll arrive a couple of weeks early i guess)
[08:58] <christel> haha
[08:58] <popey> My gorgeous girl → https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3zry8JH6pEw/UY_-W9MXjyI/AAAAAAAAYuk/icjm5iDit6c/w645-h860-no/779BA46F-CD51-4D42-A1C1-09E0E0EADB4B.JPG
[08:59] <christel> my goodness, sophie is all grown up!
[08:59] <JamesTait> I have no girls, but I have two ex-girls.
[08:59] <christel> she is gorgeous indeed :)
[08:59] <christel> and such a sweet child -- mind, both of yours are ADORABLE
[08:59] <popey> Yes, yes they are!
[08:59] <MooDoo> i have one girl and one boy
[09:00] <bigcalm> I have a cat \o/
[09:00] <popey> Other fabulous progeny → https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tQbZ7XSVXVk/UYfOoJG6n1I/AAAAAAAAYOk/ONBMsZws0bQ/w645-h860-no/34D9610B-4E43-451C-A7CC-B6B1E25B94A4.JPG
[09:00] <christel> when i was pregnant with david i had a "OMG NO I CANT HAVE A BOY" moment when they told us the gender -- (it was really daft -- my thinking was "i have never been a boy, i have no idea how they work")
[09:00] <Nafallo> I have an american.
[09:00] <JamesTait> You're not wrong, christel, they're all grown up and very cute.
[09:00] <Nafallo> what are you guys talking about? :-)
[09:00] <christel> this time around i was all "oh i am sure it is another boy, i wouldnt have a clue what to do with girls..."
[09:00] <christel> aww, i love sam, he is cuteee
[09:00] <christel> david informed me that he wanted a baby sister mind so he is happy
[09:01] <popey> awww
[09:01] <christel> (apparently baby brothers are GROSS)
[09:01] <popey> haha
[09:01] <christel> (i have no clue how he would know, to my knowledge he has never had any!)
[09:01] <popey> girls are great, especially for dads ☻
[09:01] <SuperMatt> don't girls come with a free shotgun?
[09:01] <christel> haha yes, david is a serious mummy's boy so with some luck she will be more keen on gareth than he is
[09:02] <christel> (he scares me -- he comes out with stuff like "LOOK MUMMY, COME SEE< I HAVE BURIED DADDY IN THE SANDPIT" or "When I grow up and I am a Ciderman (Cyberman) I will take people away and upgrade them... apart from daddy, I will put him in a box!")
[09:02] <mungbean> i prefer boys atm
[09:02] <christel> i have this fear that he will dispose of gareth at some point in his life, he seems to have an unhealthy obsession with getting rid of him!
[09:03] <mungbean> but my girl has cried and pooed for the first 8 weeks of her life, so i haven't given her a chance yet
[09:03] <mungbean> but the thought of boys seems more fun
[09:03] <bigcalm> Daddy in a box
[09:07] <christel> hehe
[09:07] <christel> popey: how many years are there between sophie and sam btw?
[09:07] <JamesTait> This is my youngest: http://ubuntuone.com/0zTsvDnW3aOPtQOQfhYBEx
[09:08] <christel> aww he is super cute
[09:08] <JamesTait> And he knows it.
[09:08] <christel> hehe
[09:09] <JamesTait> Blurry photo of big brother: http://ubuntuone.com/0qA7EJi86uDu3JDXyJ1STL
[09:09] <christel> oh they are both rather cute arent they!
[09:10] <popey> christel: 3
[09:10] <popey> and 6 days
[09:10] <christel> ooh how was the age gap? david will be 3 and a half when she shows up
[09:10] <JamesTait> christel, they take after their mommy.
[09:10] <christel> JamesTait: :D
[09:11] <popey> perfect
[09:11] <popey> they play with eachother in the mornings
[09:11] <popey> sometimes there is disparity over things like what to play with or what to watch on telly, but not too bad
[09:11] <popey> and less so now Sam is older
[09:11] <JamesTait> popey, wait, your kids' birthdays are 3 years and 6 days apart?
[09:11] <popey> yes
[09:11] <JamesTait> Well that's uncanny.
[09:12] <popey> yeah
[09:12] <MooDoo> JamesTait: you don't know uncanny ;)
[09:12] <popey> christmas conception
[09:12] <JamesTait> Exactly the same as my two.
[09:12] <popey> oh!
[09:12] <popey> haha
[09:12] <JamesTait> IIRC Sophie's birthday is the same as mine too!
[09:12] <MooDoo> my son and daughter have the same birthday and so do my wife and i :)
[09:12] <mungbean> spooky
[09:12] <SuperMatt> weeeeird
[09:13] <JamesTait> MooDoo, it's a conspiracy!
[09:13] <MooDoo> lol
[09:13] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
[09:13] <JamesTait> Better photo of big brother: http://ubuntuone.com/album/7hD0KeVYDzwPOQse2azLBm
[09:13] <JamesTait> Oh, wait, no.
[09:13] <JamesTait> D'oh, I broke it.
[09:14] <Laney> cannot has previews
[09:14] <Laney> sound the U1 alarm
[09:14] <popey> U1 does photos?
[09:14] <popey> (I should probably know this)
[09:14] <JamesTait> http://ubuntuone.com/323nyoCnBdVwGFT3G3WYn8 there
[09:14] <Laney> galleries, yeah
[09:15] <JamesTait> popey, I'm sure you knew this, but it's probably lurking in your subconscious somewhere.
[09:15] <popey> probably in long term storage, archived off to a microdrive somewhere
[09:15] <mungbean> does popey still package tomboy?
[09:15] <JamesTait> popey, eSATA brain dump?
[09:15] <popey> popey does not
[09:16] <Laney> doesn't really appear to work at the minute though
[09:16]  * popey looks at Laney 
[09:16] <Laney> slideshow dead
[09:16] <Laney> thumbnails dead
[09:16] <JamesTait> Laney, tell me more.
[09:16] <christel> hehe
[09:16] <mungbean> been getting on nicely with tomboy and ssh sync
[09:16] <popey> oh good
[09:16] <Laney> oh yeah tomboy!
[09:16]  * popey has been getting on well with gvim
[09:16] <christel> MooDoo: i share a birthday with my mum!
[09:16] <mungbean> i lost the functionality on android but hey
[09:17] <mungbean> i could perform some sort of sync to sd card via dropbox but its messy
[09:17] <MooDoo> christel: yay
[09:17] <Laney> kind of slacked on that a bit
[09:18] <mungbean> tomdroid "After this release we will be merging our beta branch containing great features like note editing, two-way sync or tablet support"
[09:18] <mungbean> cool
[09:18] <mungbean> ne of the most important fixes in this release is the support of a secure connection to Rainy,
[09:18]  * JamesTait has been using vim with the Orgmode plugin, and MobileOrg on my Android phone.
[09:19] <popey> orgmode? wossat?
[09:19]  * popey uses gpgvim plugin so all my notes are encrypted automagically
[09:19] <popey> and thus I care less if they're in the cloud
[09:19] <popey> JamesTait: i see your photos now, didnt do anything, it just eventually loaded
[09:20] <popey> slideshow broken tho
[09:20] <JamesTait> popey, looking into it.
[09:22] <JamesTait> popey, Orgmode is an Emacs thing, but someone ported it to vim.  I don't really use most of its functionality, but it syncs nicely with U1 and gives me the ability to take notes, which is really all I need.
[09:22]  * popey googles
[09:23] <JamesTait> popey, trying to get a link for you. :)
[09:23] <popey> http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4332876/bbc-iplayer-windows-phone-8-app
[09:23] <popey> for directhex
[09:24] <JamesTait> Amazing - I can find URLs for the license, but not for the code itself!
[09:25] <mungbean> gnote developemnt seems to be catching slowly
[09:26] <JamesTait> popey, I think this is the one: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3642
[09:26] <popey> ta
[09:35] <redtap|away> OT | Nice viral video for someone in the Northern areas :: :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWu8FKdTJOA  ::
[09:35] <JamesTait> Laney, popey: photo thumbnails took a long time to load, and slideshow isn't working? Is this still the case?
[09:36] <Laney> no thumbnails
[09:36] <Laney> go abuse #ubuntuone!
[09:37] <JamesTait> That probably would be a more appropriate venue, actually. :)
[09:39] <JamesTait> Laney, if you click on an individual image, does it eventually display?  I think it's just taking an absolute age to get the images from storage.
[09:39] <Laney> let's see
[09:39] <Laney> it's still pretty shoddy performance that I expect they want to fix
[09:39] <JamesTait> Hence no thumbnails, because the request times out, and no slideshow because it moves on to the next image before the current one has finished downloading.
[09:40]  * JamesTait <--- is "they"
[09:40] <JamesTait> And yes, I'm pretty eager to get to the bottom of this.
[09:40] <Laney> o rly
[09:41] <JamesTait> SRSLY!
[09:41] <Laney> I knew you were One Of Us but not which One
[09:41] <Laney> yeah still waiting
[09:42] <Laney> I'm trying to get http://ubuntuone.com/gallery/7hD0KeVYDzwPOQse2azLBm/IMG_1319.JPG
[09:42] <Laney> huh! so I loaded it in Chromium and it came up after about 5 seconds
[09:42] <Laney> firefox, still going - and no other assets like the U1 logo either
[09:42] <JamesTait> Came up immediately for me - but then I've had that slideshow playing for the last couple of minutes.
[09:43] <JamesTait> Let me try with a different album.
[09:43] <JamesTait> Caching in the browser, on the server, etc. may be playing a part here.
[09:43] <Laney> curious
[09:44]  * Laney goes off to prod at rhythmbox instead
[09:44] <JamesTait> :)
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <JamesTait> Hey davmor2!
[10:03] <JamesTait> Time for elevenses.
[10:04] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: do you set your elevenses on my arrival or something ;)
[10:05] <davmor2> morning bigcalm
[10:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: remind me to have a lighter option tonight
[10:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's a point. If you're attending vUDS, will you be coming to the LUG?
[10:23] <davmor2> diet cokes and a salad then
[10:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:33] <MartijnVdS>  \o
[10:38] <bigcalm> Trying to debug somebody else's python code while they are not responding to emails. What would cause this to throw a syntax error? numericValue = 1 if value else 0
[10:39] <mgdm> Works For Me™. Wonky indentation?
[10:40] <bigcalm> mgdm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667228/ that's a bit more context
[10:42] <mgdm> works on 2.7.1 for me
[10:43] <bigcalm> Is it a recent thing? The python embedded in this device is likely to be old
[10:43] <mgdm> I don't know, I don't do enough to know
[10:45] <bigcalm> mgdm: fair enough, thanks for trying :)
[10:48] <bigcalm> Just checked, this device has Python 2.4.3 on it
[10:48] <bigcalm> And doesn't support that type of if statement
[11:31] <MooDoo> mungbean: I know you're a RHEL kinda guy, are you aware of this? - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962792
[11:31] <lubotu3`> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 962792 in vulnerability "CVE-2013-2094 kernel: perf_swevent_enabled array out-of-bound access" [High,New]
[11:33] <popey> JamesTait: please make a screencast showing how to use that vim plugin, thank you! :D
[11:33] <JamesTait> popey, I thought there already was one somewhere. I'm sure I remember watching one.
[11:40] <JamesTait> Hm, actually it was probably this one for VimOrganiser, another Org-mode clone. http://vimeo.com/17182850
[11:40] <JamesTait> popey, ^^
[11:43] <popey> ta
[11:45] <JamesTait> I guess it's almost time for our weekly visit from the JWs, so time for me to grab my lunch and disappear into the gara^Woffice.
[11:58] <mungbean> MooDoo: yep, was talking about that last night
[11:59] <mungbean> also affects debian stable too
[12:05] <MooDoo> ok thanks
[12:05] <MooDoo> mungbean: do you have a bug report link for that one?
[12:06] <mungbean> i linked last night to a UVE page
[12:06] <MooDoo> ok
[12:06] <mungbean> perhaps not...hold on
[12:07] <mungbean> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-2094
[12:07] <mungbean> jessie, wheezy3.2.41-2vulnerable
[12:07] <MooDoo> thanks
[12:09] <mungbean> from my wife: "I open it and see a man so I say 'I'm not interested if you're selling anything.' Man: 'I'm not settling anything.' Me: 'ok'. Man: 'i was just wondering if you'd like to buy a better insulated door.'"
[12:10] <popey> hahah
[12:11] <popey> my opening line to people on the doorstep is "I have a policy of not buying on the doorstep"
[12:11] <mungbean> i have a notice that i point to and then slam the door
[12:11] <popey> they don't realise that it matters not what they say next, the answer is always "no"
[12:11] <popey> heh, i only have a notice on one door
[12:11] <mungbean> i usually am holding a crying baby and fending back a barkig dog
[12:11] <popey> but we have two front-facing doors
[12:11] <popey> need to get another sticker
[12:11] <mungbean> it's so selfish
[12:11] <mungbean> it always wakes the baby etc
[12:12] <mungbean> and if you ignore it the dog keeps barking until they finally get the message
[12:12] <popey> i had one cocky guy with two girls he was clearly mentoring
[12:12] <popey> he tried to use his sales patter, the girls smiled awkwardly
[12:12] <popey> eventually I let rip ☻
[12:13] <mungbean> i hate it because having a massive notice is not welcoming to friends
[12:13] <JamesTait> mungbean, maybe he knows someone who's selling those doors.
[12:13] <popey> oh ours was provided by the police ☻
[12:13] <JamesTait> popey, "and the foul stench of the fart scared them all off!" :-P
[12:13] <popey> or maybe the council
[12:13] <popey> haha
[12:14] <mungbean> i asked for a coldcaller-free zone
[12:14] <mungbean> but there wasn't enough interst (i.e. i would have had to cold call my neighbours to drum up support)
[12:14] <JamesTait> mungbean, do they exist outside of prison?
[12:14] <mungbean> there's one near me
[12:15] <mungbean> especailly if you live in a cul-de-sac which i do
[12:15] <mungbean> if the 20 neighbours agree, then it's generally easier
[12:15] <mungbean> the council put a sign up
[12:15] <mungbean> and you can shoot anyone on sight
[12:15] <mungbean> *may not be true
[12:15] <popey> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Pkf2ETgjg-g/ULhfL3tldJI/AAAAAAAAObE/lBMcKXsGVwE/w645-h860-no/D224C113-3619-4F61-801D-A801C108EEC7.JPG
[12:16] <popey> that
[12:16] <JamesTait> mungbean, shoot them a death stare. ;)
[12:16] <mungbean> i have one of those
[12:16] <mungbean> unfortunately its there most days
[12:16] <mungbean> especially my "smartphone frown"
[12:16] <popey> need to get a second one for the "side" (note: not at the side) door
[12:17] <mungbean> i think moneysavingexpert do one too
[13:04] <dwatkins> popey: does the bottom half go on the inside of the window?
[13:04] <dwatkins> or door
[13:06] <popey> yes
[13:06] <popey> back to back
[13:07] <dwatkins> I couldn't work out where it folded.
[14:22] <Myrtti> so, um. yeah. Does anyone know if Debian Wheezy still supports Viglen MPC-L?
[15:17] <brobostigon> google I/O predictions ?
[15:18] <MooDoo> they ar buying m$ out
[15:18] <brobostigon> if only,
[15:20] <brobostigon> bbm for android is interesting though.
[15:22] <directhex> the sequel to everyone's favourite nexus device
[15:22] <directhex> announcing the nexus QQ
[15:22]  * brobostigon hugs his nexus7, he likes it,
[15:26] <mungbean> is nexus 7 reduced yet?
[15:28] <brobostigon> yes
[15:29] <brobostigon> mungbean: long time ago.
[15:30] <mungbean> and again in july
[15:30] <brobostigon> which july?
[15:30] <brobostigon> lol
[15:32] <SuperMatt> with gsettings, is there a way to list only the keys which have been modified?
[15:36] <SuperMatt> ah, nm about that now
[15:36] <mungbean> this july coming
[15:36] <brobostigon> mungbean: prediction ?
[15:37] <mungbean> or is i/o goig on now?
[15:37] <brobostigon> mungbean: 20 odd minutes.
[15:37] <mungbean> i read lots of stuff saying they expect n7 prices to drop afer the new model announced
[15:51] <mungbean> can someone explain like i'm five what an ERP package is?
[15:52] <mgdm> I suspect AlanBell or TheOpenSourcerer could
[15:52] <popey> heh
[15:52] <popey> software to run your business
[15:52] <directhex> enterprise ravenous pandas
[15:52] <mungbean> is it basically HR and project resource planning software
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> does most core business "things"
[15:52] <popey> payroll, sales & distribution, financials, everything
[15:52] <popey> management reporting etc
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Accounts, CRM, Warehouse, stock,
[15:53] <mungbean> so it has to do all these things or some
[15:53] <popey> it may do some or all
[15:53] <popey> depends on the package
[15:53] <mungbean> how do i know if its ERP
[15:53] <popey> some are tailored to a specific industry like retail, education or the oil business
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some are "modular". You can enable/disable what you do/don't need
[15:54] <mungbean> so northgate HR, or agresso, are they?
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some are Free Software.
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Most are not.
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[15:54] <popey> if it integrates many of the above listed functions together
[15:54] <popey> rather than be lots of disparate systems
[15:54] <mgdm> Agresso always sounds like a tool for organising a hit on someone
[15:54] <mungbean> i think the answer is no then
[15:54] <mungbean> we don't use one
[15:54] <mungbean> someone was asking if we did
[15:54] <popey> most "large" companies do
[15:55] <popey> and many small ones too
[15:55] <popey> The term ERP has fallen out of favour more recently though.
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Libertus Solutions use an ERP :-)
[15:55] <popey> is it Vi?
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's the same one Canonical use IIRC
[15:57] <mungbean> why did canonical move out of millbank? ££ ?
[15:57] <mungbean> or size
[15:57] <czajkowski> mungbean: we outgrew it
[15:58] <popey> yeah, new place is much bigger
[15:58] <mungbean> a field?
[15:59] <mungbean> the cloud?
[15:59] <popey> Bluefin
[15:59] <davmor2> mungbean: millbank wouldn't allow us to have another floor, so the move to blue fin nearly doubled the floor plan
[15:59] <popey> tis a nice office, much more open
[15:59] <davmor2> popey: agreed
[15:59] <mungbean> still west end?
[15:59] <popey> and nearer to "amenities"
[15:59] <popey> near London bridge
[16:00] <popey> behind the tate
[16:00] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9pmPa_KxsAM
[16:00] <davmor2> popey: However I miss the view
[16:00] <popey> google IO live
[16:00] <popey> ditto
[16:00] <mungbean> south....of..the...rrrrrriver?
[16:00] <popey> ya
[16:01] <brobostigon> popey: linkie ?
[16:02] <brobostigon> woops.
[16:07] <brobostigon> pebble, hhhm.
[16:11] <brobostigon> definatly ingress inspired there.
[16:51] <brobostigon> DSOTM :)
[16:52] <brobostigon> googlers listen to floyd, yay.
[16:56] <brobostigon> samsung are releasing an aosp android galaxy4, without samsung dodgy overlay.
[16:57] <dwatkins> Chrome is rather popular.
[17:16] <Azelphur> Is there anyone I can talk to who is a specialist at bt infinity? I'm having some weirdness
[17:16] <Azelphur> before I moved TalkTalk said I could get fibre, then when I moved they said I can't, then I asked BT and they said I can, then I asked TalkTalk and they said I can, then they tried to activate it and they couldn't.
[17:20] <Myrtti> AW MAN
[17:22] <directhex> Azelphur, there may be come confusion at openworld's end as to who owns the line right now
[17:24] <Azelphur> o.O
[17:24] <Azelphur> directhex: any way to fix that?
[17:24] <Azelphur> or to actually properly check if I have infinity
[17:29] <AlanBell> go for a walk and find your distribution box?
[17:30] <AlanBell> should be an A4 sticker poster on it saying fibre broadband here
[17:30] <dwatkins> I just switched to IDNet to avoid BT infinity. Even on the same exchange different people can be told some can and some can't get fibre, though.
[17:30] <dwatkins> as AlanBell says, it's the cabinet
[17:30] <dwatkins> also, BT should have replaced your master socket front plate if you got fibre to the cabinet
[17:31] <AlanBell> http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/attachments/sky-broadband-fibre-help/3549d1343934665-will-my-cabinet-get-upgraded-list-cabinets-will-inside-2012-08-02-19.23.54.jpg
[17:31] <AlanBell> should look like that
[17:34] <directhex> i don't think they have those on our cab
[17:39] <Laney> some of them have it here but not all
[17:39] <directhex> and i got my infinity from BT. no bandwidth cap.
[17:40] <Laney> sounds infinite
[17:43] <directhex> "If you're on Unlimited Broadband, Unlimited Broadband extra, Unlimited BT Infinity 1, Unlimited BT Infinity 2, or for customers taking BT Total Broadband Option 3 from 1 February 2013, we won't place any speed restrictions no matter how much you upload or download, even at peak times"
[17:46] <directhex> "How does this compare
[17:46] <directhex> your average monthly usage is
[17:46] <directhex> 227.14 GB"
[17:55] <ali1234> does ipv6 work on bt yet?
[17:55] <brobostigon> native ?
[17:55] <ali1234> last time i checked they were advertising broken tunnels so you couldn't even use 6to4
[18:00] <AlanBell> 112GB for me last month, but they only count 8AM to midnight
[18:01] <AlanBell> and I have a 250GB limit before throttling
[18:11] <directhex> ali1234, nope, ipv6 sucks on bt
[19:14] <mungbean> guys, seen this? http://donottouch.org/
[19:14] <mungbean> coolest site of the week
[19:39] <mungbean> this rogue traders programme is upsetting
[19:40] <mungbean> blatant crooks misselling these mattress things to old people
[20:06] <Azelphur> having fun with my net at my new place, Phone line works fine, ADSL Modem refuses to connect, Sync goes orange occasionally, but that's about as far as I get in the process
[20:21] <dwatkins> Azelphur: did BT send someone out to do the install, or did you just plug it in?
[20:41] <Azelphur> dwatkins: plugged it in
[20:49] <AlanBell> so you have ADSL, and are looking to get infinity?
[20:49] <AlanBell> infinity gets you an openreach box and then you need a different router that does pppoe to connect to that
[20:50] <Azelphur> AlanBell: yea, I have ADSL (Broken) and I want Infinity
[20:50] <brobostigon> interesting,
[20:50]  * brobostigon makes notes.
[20:51] <mungbean> the hags are arguing on apprentice again
[20:51] <brobostigon> 7lol
[20:52] <brobostigon> lol
[21:18] <Myrtti> I am going to escape mwhahahahahaha
[21:22] <dwatkins> \m\w\h\a\h\a\h\a\h\a\h\a\h\a\h\a
[21:22] <mgdm> hahaha
[21:22] <mgdm> well played, dwatkins
[21:24] <mungbean> dwatkins: is officially bored
[21:25] <dwatkins> not at all, I've been reading about the zpanel wars on /r/netsec and feeding my rats pasta, I just saw Myrtti's line and felt compelled to respond in kind.
[21:26] <mungbean> there so much i could be doing but baby has only just stopped crying and im scared to try putting her in bed
[21:28] <dwatkins> mungbean: perhaps you need to play her some death metal... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x01j3M3PrGk
[21:28] <mungbean> umm
[21:28] <dwatkins> (perhaps turn the volume down first before clicking)
[21:29] <dwatkins> hmmm, maybe it's "Black Metal".
[21:30] <mgdm> That kid is more metal than I am
[21:32] <mungbean> planning on making a lancaster for the dambusters 70th anniversary
[23:22] <cocoa117> is it ever possible to have ssh client in the initramfs, so i can read a encryption key file from remote PC, and automatic the whole disk encryption process?
[23:23] <cocoa117> i know the drapbear is one solution, but i don't think i need the ssh server running on initramfs