[00:02] <rick_h_> shoot me now pls kthx
[00:02] <snap-l> heh
[00:03] <rick_h_> why are we doing step by step dd commands on slides?
[00:03] <snap-l> No fucking idea.
[00:03] <rick_h_> isn't this just a litle rude to les as it is?
[00:03] <snap-l> Yes
[00:03] <rick_h_> "hey, come give a talk...and we'll do it again with another guy once you're done"
[00:13] <rick_h_> oh darn...
[01:35] <jjesse-home> you guys seem like you are having fun
[01:35] <jjesse-home> or were having fun
[12:01] <rick_h_> morning
[12:01] <rick_h_> man I do not miss commuting
[12:01] <rick_h_> nothing like traffic to bring together large groups of stupid people
[12:03] <rick_h_> everyone ready for googleio?
[12:07] <brousch> You are going?
[12:08] <rick_h_> brousch: oh no, but will be streaming the video hopefully most of the day (well west coast day)
[12:08] <rick_h_> brousch: would be cool to go to, but really not much use for myself as I don't program much google-stuff tbh
[13:31] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:32] <brousch> yes
[13:32] <snap-l> I could not get up this morning
[13:32] <brousch> I'll send you some spam that has solutions to that problem
[13:32] <snap-l> couldn't shake the REM-like drifting in and out
[13:32] <snap-l> heh
[13:45] <jjesse> nice one brousch
[13:46] <jjesse> i was hoping for a lazy start to the morning but was instead jolt out of bed by my son screaming for me
[13:46] <jjesse> and then it was no big deal when i rushed to find thim
[13:47] <jrwren> is google IO now?
[13:47] <jjesse> yes
[13:48] <jrwren> oh, cool.
[13:48] <jrwren> i'll have to watch keynotes.
[13:48] <jrwren> maybe htey will say "glass, hahaha j/k"
[17:02] <snap-l> Wow, the WebGL stuff is pretty interesting.
[17:03] <jrwren> agreed
[17:12] <snap-l> Make your own tags: I just smelleed IE in there.
[17:12] <snap-l> unless that's something in HTML5
[17:13] <jrwren> its funny, html has supported making your own tags for a VERY long time
[17:13] <snap-l> Well, it's supported making your own tags in that it would ignore anything it didn't understand
[17:14] <jrwren> document.createElement() and then script around that element.
[17:14] <jrwren> and I'm sure htat is upon what this framework is built
[17:16] <snap-l> OK, this demo is REALLY cool.
[17:17] <snap-l> He looks surprised it worked.
[17:20] <jrwren> i thought it was gimmick
[17:24] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/117777908934895049975/posts/N2jhnVKBByj
[17:38] <brousch> freak
[17:38] <snap-l> heh
[17:42] <jrwren> i thought it was cute.
[18:12] <snap-l> Just dumped Empathy on the desktop.
[18:12] <jjesse> if anyone hasn't seen the update to Google Music yet its really ncie
[18:12] <jrwren> i never had much empathy for the desktop
[18:12] <snap-l> It's like Christmas
[18:13] <brousch> By dumped do you mean you removed it or you installed it?
[18:13] <snap-l> I turned it off of my desktop
[18:13] <greg-g> yeah, hate empathy
[18:14] <greg-g> pidgin ftw
[18:14] <brousch> pidgin4life bro
[18:14] <snap-l> I use Pidgin at work
[18:16] <jjesse> i use Facebook messenger for all my chatting
[18:16] <greg-g> :(
[18:17] <jjesse> so serious question why do you use a chat program these days?
[18:17] <jjesse> besides IRC and text messaging i don't really "IM" anyone
[18:17] <greg-g> I do
[18:18] <greg-g> and I don't use Gmail web interface
[18:18] <brousch> IRC and Gtalk via pidgin
[18:20] <jjesse> you guys chat a lot w/ different people?
[18:20] <brousch> Infrequently
[18:20] <brousch> Some people aren't on IRC
[18:20] <jjesse> i take my comment back, i use Lync at work for voice calls, unified messaging and all that
[18:20] <jjesse> but that is work
[18:21] <snap-l> I use it to chat with JoDee from time to time
[18:21] <snap-l> or talk with people who aren't on IRC>
[18:21] <snap-l> Most of the time you all are on here, so that's no biggie
[18:21] <snap-l> and work is it's own Jabber service.
[18:21] <jjesse> interesting
[18:22] <snap-l> Thin g is, we don't have Facebook accounts, so that's not an option for us
[18:22] <snap-l> I deleted mine when it was apparent that Facebook was looking to track me on all sites.
[18:22] <snap-l> I think we blew him up
[18:26] <jjesse> wow
[18:26] <jjesse> system is freaking out, must be a sign i shold go home
[18:26] <brousch> hehe
[18:26] <brousch> I ent you a virus over gtalk
[18:26] <snap-l> "I deleted mine when it was apparent that Facebook was looking to track me on all sites." -< What I posted while you were out
[18:26] <jjesse> thanks
[18:27] <snap-l> That and ...
[18:27] <snap-l> "I think we blew him up"
[18:27] <jjesse> ah snap-l i wish i could delete ffacebook, too many friends and family use it as the primary mode of converstation
[18:27] <snap-l> 80% ot 20%?
[18:27] <snap-l> s/ot/or/
[18:27] <jjesse> of my friends?
[18:27] <snap-l> of your conversations that you care about.
[18:28] <jjesse> 30% and depending on what is happening politically less
[18:28] <jjesse> which is why i've muted most of them
[18:28] <snap-l> yeah, it wasn't easy to close out my account
[18:28] <snap-l> lots of converations with people I went to school with, etc.
[18:29] <snap-l> but it's not like I keep it a secret of how to get a hold of me
[18:29] <snap-l> and funny enough, few people do
[18:29] <snap-l> so it's a two way street. :)
[18:29] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/about/
[18:29] <snap-l> ^- Complete stalker guide
[18:31] <jjesse> the funny thing is i've talked more to relatives that i never really knew before they are on facebook
[18:31] <snap-l> Yeah, same here.
[18:31] <jjesse> and now i'll communicate with them over silly stuff we have in common that i never really knew
[18:31] <snap-l> point being if you're not on facebook, would you maintain the conversation?
[18:31] <jjesse> nope
[18:31] <snap-l> and is it important enough for you to hang on to maintain the converasation?
[18:32] <jjesse> right now yes, which is why i deal w/ FB knowing everything about my life
[18:32] <jjesse> google does
[18:32] <jjesse> so why shouldn't facebook
[18:32] <snap-l> And is the time investment they're extracting from you wotrth it?
[18:32] <snap-l> Not picking on you in particular. ;)
[18:33] <jjesse> no i don't feel like you are picking on me
[18:33] <jjesse> look the service is free right? (in some extent)
[18:33] <jjesse> i don't pay to use it
[18:33] <jjesse> so i have to give something up for it
[18:33] <jjesse> just like w/ Google
[18:33] <snap-l> But is your time free. :)
[18:33] <jjesse> hell no
[18:33] <snap-l> I'm also in the same boat with Google Plus
[18:33] <jjesse> i am choosing what to  do w/ my time
[18:33] <snap-l> but I find interesting things on there
[18:33] <snap-l> and mute the rest.
[18:33] <jjesse> agree
[18:34] <jjesse> i enjoy G+ a lot more than FB
[18:34] <flipsidecreation> G+ seems to have better content than FB
[18:34] <flipsidecreation> but I don't have the same friends on both
[18:34] <brousch> That's just because all of your inbred relatives haven't found it yet
[18:34] <jrwren> its because my crazy family isn't on G+, they are on FB
[18:35] <flipsidecreation> I have most people muted on FB as well
[18:35] <snap-l> it's because you can also put your crazy family in circles. :)
[18:36] <flipsidecreation> doesn't everyone on G+ have a circle called "Non Value Adding"
[18:38] <snap-l> Technology Blabbermouths for a few louder folks
[18:38] <snap-l> and a politics circle with the volume down low
[18:39] <flipsidecreation> I use FB chat to talk to my friends and customers because they use it.  I have no specific love for FB but they do seem to own the market.  Google chat has some catching up to do.
[18:40] <brousch> I have never used FB chat
[18:41] <flipsidecreation> they have done a great job with integrating the group conversations with their chat heads system on android.
[18:43] <jjesse> chat heads seems to work quite well
[18:43] <brousch> There is no one on FB chat that I want to talk to who isn't already on irc or gtalk
[18:44] <flipsidecreation> I communicate with my customers via FB chat, much better than texting
[18:46] <brousch> What business are you in?
[18:52] <flipsidecreation> IT Services & Computer repair
[18:52] <brousch> Ah, like for a bunch of small businesses or residential?
[18:52] <flipsidecreation> yeah, a lot of small business and we do residential service as well
[18:56] <jrwren> is this Larry Page?
[19:00] <jrwren> it is Larry. Wow. very impressive
[19:01] <flipsidecreation> I think I have heard of that Larry Page guy...
[19:01] <flipsidecreation> let me GOOGLE his name and see what comes up....
[19:02] <jrwren> i have never heard him speak that I recall and didn't recognize him.
[19:02] <jrwren> I like his message.
[19:11] <jjesse> so my question is how fast do these people that live blog (like the verge) type
[19:11] <jjesse> wow
[19:15] <rick_h_> ok, back to lawn mowing. Good couple of hours. Bummed to miss CHC tonight.
[19:15] <rick_h_> my poor dad is going to arrive with me in full geek mode driven by IO
[19:17] <brousch> I love to see my kid in full geek mode.
[19:20] <flipsidecreation> it has been great  teaching my daughter how to load mods in minecraft.  She got the geek gene
[19:21] <brousch> It is not a gene. It is her father being excited about something and being willing to share
[19:21] <jjesse> +1 to brousch
[19:21] <jjesse> my dad was into computers, he has 3 sons
[19:22] <jjesse> i'm the only one who got into computers
[19:22] <jjesse> because it was something my dad and i could bond over
[19:22] <jjesse> my other 2 brothers enjoyed time w/ my father over different things
[19:22] <flipsidecreation> dunno, my dad did nothing but try to get my to hunt and fish, I preferred to stay and write programs for my TRS-80
[19:24] <flipsidecreation> I am the only non-redneck in my family
[19:24] <flipsidecreation> So I would say there is some type of Geek Gene
[19:32] <greg-g> wait, they're killing xmpp?
[19:33] <brousch> wat?
[19:33] <jjesse> wow what an awesome update to google plus
[19:33] <greg-g> just something the twitters told me
[19:33] <jjesse> on the desktop
[19:33] <greg-g> jrwren retweeted it (xmpp killing)
[21:34] <snap-l> I'm taking a wait-and-cautious approach
[21:35] <snap-l> But removing XMPP support is not on my list of things to endear me to Google
[21:38] <waldo323_> snap-l, agreed!
[21:39] <snap-l> Bu thten again, this would also coincide with blocking invites via XMPP
[21:40] <greg-g> also, I'm really happy I already did my transition to self-hosted xmpp this past year
[21:41] <greg-g> nener nener[D[D[De[D[D[D[D[D[D[De
[21:41] <snap-l> non issue for me, as most of the folks are already on GTalk
[21:42] <greg-g> guh, eh?
[21:42] <greg-g> (re my garble)
[21:42] <snap-l> but pount taken
[21:42] <snap-l> point, even
[21:42] <greg-g> that was mosh messing up
[21:42] <greg-g> stupid new wifi network at work
[21:42] <greg-g> dropping me like a good habit