[00:00] <Seven_Six_Two> mdfe, it's a tunnel in a tunnel. like double compressing.
[00:00] <vi956925> watch googles privacy guidless they changed last year, now they connect ur accs to all u have thru all their means (ip, email, cookies etc). so even with lots of safeguards and different ids theyre taking more and more control
[00:00] <Ben64> blenderman: vnc over ssh tunnel, but it'll be slow
[00:00] <kvothetech> mdfe: because the entire point of tor is to be anonymous...obviously if you tor to the vpn your vpn provider still knows it's you so it's pointless...you're taking tors usefulness out
[00:00] <kvothetech> vi956925: duckduckgo
[00:00] <mdfe> kvothetech, Seven_Six_Two but *others* dont; know you're using TOR then
[00:00] <blenderman> ok, does anyone have a straighforward tutorial that will illustrate exactly what i'm looking for?
[00:00] <kvothetech> mdfe: which makes tor..useless...
[00:01] <kvothetech> because they'll still see your vpn's ip ....and your vpn provider already knows who you are...so again...useless and waste of network resources
[00:01] <vi956925> all these things, regulations laws etc. all the time.. either get somewhere "safe" from such control, or be honest about it and embrace,acknowledge and accept the slavery from the control in shaping our opinions with it
[00:01] <mdfe> kvothetech, what? so let's say TOR is illegal in your country, so you use a pay-VPN to bypass that. So now the local police can see you are using a pay vpn but not what you're sending
[00:01] <dr_willis> blenderman:  in the simplest case you would  'ssh to  the remote machine  with x forwarding enabled'    then run the gui app.. it would appear on the local desktop when you run it
[00:01] <Ben64> mdfe: tor is illegal in the uk?
[00:02] <Seven_Six_Two> mdfe, but they can see where it's going, by ip
[00:02] <mdfe> kvothetech, and when you come out of the vpn, it's TOR'ed ... so only your VPN provider can know
[00:02] <Seven_Six_Two> oh yeah
[00:02] <mdfe> or is it not?
[00:02] <kvothetech> mdfe: maybe you should look up what tor is and what a vpn is they're two seperate things..and you make tor useless by vpning through it.
[00:02] <mdfe> still havent explained why
[00:03] <vi956925> just see facebook walls.. just reading data frmo someones profile can easily use this in conflicts, seeing how they respond to situations and such, and use to control/manipulate, predict behavior/thougts etc..  thats just what is given out knowingly, and analyzed in tinies lvl by individuals.  imagine all data we over the network analyzed by super-computers
[00:03] <Seven_Six_Two> mdfe, if you vpn through tor, the last node will always be the vpn provider
[00:03] <roasted> Question - What is the difference between the function brightness keys versus the brightness slider found in system settings? Reason I ask is my function keys act strange (it'll dim in 1 press to 1% battery, but won't increase at all) however if I adjust the slider in system settings it works fine.
[00:03] <Ben64> tor is slow, vpn is slow, its all slow, why would you want to do it
[00:03] <kvothetech> mdfe: because tor all it does is make you anonymous...the vpn removes that anonymity....so you're not anonymous. thus useless
[00:03] <Seven_Six_Two> I vpn to work on my server when I'm away from home.
[00:03] <dr_willis> vi956925:  you are sort of  rambling......
[00:03] <kvothetech> Ben64: vpn isn't always slow...
[00:03] <vi956925> eventually even tho we dnot know, are shaped into different pathes of development and what may not be good for diff reasons thru such means
[00:04] <kvothetech> Ben64: neither is tor depending how many nodes you go through where they are etc...
[00:04] <Ben64> i tried it once, got 56k speeds
[00:04] <mdfe> kvothetech, what if you use a VPN provider that provides anonymity e.g. by not disclosing their cusromer records
[00:04] <kvothetech> mdfe: then why the $%^$%^ are you using tor with it that makes it triple redundant....
[00:04] <blenderman> ok so if i were going to use blender remotely on my server, would i be better installing ubuntu server edition or just installing the ubuntu desktop and use vnc?
[00:04] <vi956925> dr_willis ya may b.. im kinda wasted (drugs) and bn up ages, bad sate.. prolly some i dont notice too.  prolly talk too much:d  mayb ill try change fcus n do something else,  just rambling random thoughts ye must wrong/stupid too hmh.d
[00:04] <mdfe> kvothetech, so that people don'tknow you're using TOR
[00:05] <dr_willis> blenderman:  install locally you mean? or on the vpn?
[00:05] <mdfe> kvothetech, or becuase maybe your ISP blocks TOR
[00:05] <vi956925> just.. seems somewhat likely and not all taht crazy stil I think..!
[00:05] <johnjohn101> i asked this question yesterday but did not have time to follow up.  it seems that my wifi is slow if i connect via network manager and if i connect via wicd it is noticeably faster.  what do i need to check?  i am on ubuntu 12.04.  it was fast for a week or two after my new adapter now slow using network manager.
[00:05] <Seven_Six_Two> blenderman, is the server on your lan?
[00:05] <SIFTU> blenderman: vnc would suck controlling blender
[00:05] <Ben64> blenderman: i don't think you'll like blender over vnc
[00:05] <dr_willis> blenderman:  simplist case. you have ubuntu desktop locally. you ssh to the more powerfull  server. and run the app.. it appears on the local desktop
[00:05] <kvothetech> mdfe: you're still not saying why you'd want tor and a vpn...if you have a vpn tor is useless...you'd have to stop the vpn to use it and gain anything.
[00:05] <SIFTU> blenderman: nomachine would be better
[00:05] <dr_willis> ssh+x forwarding i would hope would be  faster then  vncing the whole desktop
[00:06] <mdfe> kvothetech, how would you use TOR is your ISP blocked it?
[00:06] <Ben64> dr_willis: nope, even slower
[00:06] <Seven_Six_Two> blenderman, if you're on a gigabit connection between server and desktop, connect to server with xdmcp and run blender that way.
[00:06] <mdfe> s/is/if
[00:06] <dr_willis> Ben64:  single app vs the WHOLE desktop however..
[00:06] <Ben64> dr_willis: yeah, still way slower
[00:06] <vi956925> exit
[00:06] <kvothetech> mdfe: i wouldn't use tor and a vpn ...that's my point...you could use tor...or a vpn ...using both is stupid...and read the tor mailing lists or just plain google it if you don't get why.
[00:06] <Seven_Six_Two> dr_willis, xdmcp I think would be faster because of no encryption
[00:06] <dr_willis> actually blender may have some server feature to do the work on a server.. and still run locally.. but i dont  use blender in years
[00:06] <blenderman> ok can someone tell me how to x forward so i get just blender instead of the whole desktop?
[00:07] <Seven_Six_Two> ssh -X username@server-ip
[00:07] <kvothetech> blenderman: ssh -X
[00:07] <Ben64> unless you have 100mbit to the server, it'll be mind blowingly slow
[00:07] <dr_willis> Seven_Six_Two:  im not even sure if lightdm has xdmcp enabled any more...
[00:08] <Seven_Six_Two> dr_willis, it's not enabled by default, but can be with one addition to the config file.
[00:08] <dr_willis> guess the best would be to  run blender locally  and somehow offload the main rendering to the server.
[00:08] <dr_willis> Seven_Six_Two:  i recall a year or so ago.. it dident have the feature compiled in.. but that was some time ago.
[00:08] <Ben64> took about 30 seconds for me to open "xterm" from my server over x forwarding
[00:09] <Ben64> server is 100mbit, and i have 30mbit here
[00:09] <Seven_Six_Two> Ben64, 10mbit lan?
[00:09] <Ben64> over the internets
[00:09] <blenderman> if i install ubuntu server on my server will it be that much faster than if i just install the desktop edition and open it up with ssh?
[00:09] <Ben64> blenderman: where is the server
[00:09] <mdfe> kvothetech, i am happy that i understand the issue; maybe you can find me some links
[00:10] <Seven_Six_Two> server has 100mbit upload?
[00:10] <Ben64> Seven_Six_Two: yep
[00:10] <Seven_Six_Two> Ben64, is that for home service?
[00:10] <Ben64> Seven_Six_Two: what? its a server
[00:10] <kvothetech> mdfe: there was a discussion in the mailing lists a few days ago for tor about it. i'll find them in a bit.
[00:11] <blenderman> yeah its for my home
[00:11] <blenderman> i'd really appreciate it if someone gave me a tutorial about setting up a secure home server
[00:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Ben64, yeah. The upload speed isn't involved in defining a server. I have a server in the next room, and I can only upload at 70KB/s
[00:11] <kvothetech> blenderman: server will be faster without x running as long as youaren't using that processing power for anything else otherwise it wont be noticable hough imho it's not a server if it has a gui on it.
[00:11] <Ben64> blenderman: if the server is in your house then just install desktop version and use blender there
[00:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Ben64, real server machine, real website.
[00:12] <Ben64> Seven_Six_Two: nah, real servers are in a datacenter
[00:12] <mdfe> kvothetech, TOR docs on VPN with TOR: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorPlusVPN
[00:15] <InFlames> i moved my ubuntu hd from my pc to my mac, and now grub doesn't recognize it, anyone know where i can read up on this?
[00:15] <kvothetech> InFlames: probably a different dev device/hd order
[00:15] <InFlames> so edit grub?
[00:15] <lousygarua> I'm helping someone with a really old laptop with an Intel graphics card and Lubuntu. He installed the system and after the first reboot the graphics on the login screen are all torn apart. Didn't find any specific hardware help in Google so I ask how to debug this issue?
[00:16] <kvothetech> lousygarua: is it using vesa?
[00:16] <Seven_Six_Two> Ben64, I just tried opening xterm over ssh and it took less than a second. With your speeds, it shouldn't take that long unless there's congestion somewhere.
[00:16] <Ben64> !nomodeset | lousygarua
[00:16] <Ben64> Seven_Six_Two: but its in your house
[00:17] <lousygarua> Ben64, the installer ran fine so i'm not sure if it's nomodeset
[00:17] <lousygarua> kvothetech, I don'
[00:17] <Ben64> its almost always nomodeset
[00:17] <lousygarua> kvothetech, I don't know. It's the default installation and the first run of Lubuntu
[00:17] <mdfe> lag on remote  terminal is funny, it reminds me of the old dialup days at 1200/75 or 300 baud
[00:18] <Seven_Six_Two> running xterm over ssh tunnel is funny.
[00:18] <lousygarua> Ben64, OK, I'll tell him to try. But if it was the issue wouldn't he need to use nomodeset on the installer too? Or the live USB runs with a different set of drivers?
[00:18] <kvothetech> Seven_Six_Two: and a bit pointless since xterm doesnt' give you anything a normal terminal doesnt
[00:20] <kvothetech> lousygarua: livecd's run with pretty much any driver under the sun installed as a default then when you install it picks what you need...building a kernel with everyhing in it you don't need is a bit useless afterall obviously sometimes it gets it wrong and nomodeset is pretty common for the older intel gpus
[00:21] <mdfe> the sacrifices we make for a second of boot time and an inconsequenial amount of memory
[00:21] <CajunLanMan> Does anyone have any quick recommendations on good places to start for learning commandline? For some reason I'm struggling to find a good starting point.
[00:21] <Ben64> !manual | CajunLanMan
[00:21] <lousygarua> kvothetech, but if the kernel on the livecd ran fine without 'nomodeset' then the regular installed kernel should run fine without it as well, no? I'm just being curious. My friend is not available to check this at the moment
[00:21] <Jeruvy> CajunLanMan you could try the bash manual also.
[00:22] <platzhirsch> What is /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ? weird name
[00:22] <mdfe> lousygarua, liveCD has a different set of kernel module and options - they are setup for compatibility not performance
[00:22] <CajunLanMan> Ben64, Thanks!
[00:22] <kvothetech> CajunLanMan: depends on your shell and what you plan on doing with it ...man pages info pages as well as tldp and orielly are pretty good resiources
[00:22] <CajunLanMan> Jeruvy, would most of that apply to Ubuntu?
[00:22] <mdfe> CajunLanMan, yes bash is the default terminal
[00:23] <Seven_Six_Two> CajunLanMan, Linux Administration Handbook, and Linux in a Nutshell.
[00:23] <kvothetech> platzhirsch: an lvm partition looks like your / partition from the name of it
[00:23] <mdfe> and learn vin
[00:23] <mdfe> vim*
[00:23] <vi956925> sorry for all my spammy nonsense if just stupid,i left but just rememberd i didnt solve what i first came for (lol:S), and tried on my own solving what bothered me being opening any folder it didnt list content but just seemed to load forever.  I checked 'top' saw compiz took 14% cpu while i was idle so tried 'killall compiz'.. ya stupid, was locked out n had to reset/poweroff..  as I failed to see other ways to locate the bad process (if i
[00:23] <zphinx> Hello people, im currently sitting in the middle of a 13.10 amd64 install.. and for some reason the ubuntu partitioning program isnt seeing my windows partition on sda at all, its listed as partitionless and with 1tb of free space.. anyone know why this might be?
[00:23] <platzhirsch> kvothetech: ah that's new. Thanks a lot
[00:23] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, do you know what compiz is?
[00:23] <Ben64> zphinx: 13.10 in #ubuntu+1 until release
[00:24] <zphinx> alright
[00:24] <CajunLanMan> kvothetech, I have decided it was time to have a home server, and at the last minute I decided to ditch w2k8 and try ubuntu 12.04. I'd like to be able to administer it via terminal.
[00:24] <CajunLanMan> mdfe, thanks.
[00:24] <kvothetech> platzhirsch: check where it's mounted with just mount or check your fstab/mtab files...
[00:24] <vi956925> not really, besides related to my whole desktop management or something as it all became unavailable after killing:s  should probably googled around but , hmh atleast i know that eh
[00:24] <kvothetech> CajunLanMan: what services were you running on the server...might help us give better dircetion
[00:24] <platzhirsch> kvothetech: it's mounted on root /
[00:25] <CajunLanMan> Seven_Six_Two, I'm going to start with the free options, though I'd like a good book as well.  Thanks.
[00:25] <kvothetech> Seven_Six_Two: compiz died like 5 years ago i thought...
[00:25] <vi956925> soo.. as that was not the solution, what else could I look for, or could it be other thing? I dno if 14% usage while near idle is normal, mayb its still related. what then, if its something within but i cant kill.. any settings i could mess with safely or something..
[00:25] <Seven_Six_Two> kvothetech, afaik it was integrated, not killed.
[00:25] <mdfe> CajunLanMan, you dont really need to buy books on Linux, it's one of the differences between open source you'll discover.
[00:25] <SIFTU> kvothetech: how did your 32 bit vs 64 bit memory consumption test go?
[00:26] <vi956925> also how safe for the system's health is it to just pull the plug?  can system files corrupt so boot fails or something? risk loss of files i thoguht i recently saved, or how bad?
[00:26] <dr_willis> vi956925: j just  pulling the power is not a good idea..
[00:26] <kvothetech> SIFTU: ended up with 10MB less on the 32 bit when i was done...not much at all...
[00:26] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, well, don't. But if you're using ext3 or ext4 you'll probably be fine as they're journaling filesystems.
[00:26] <CajunLanMan> kvothetech, I'm using it for a file server, minecraft server (for my son, I swear) Crashplan for backup.
[00:27] <mdfe> kvothetech, really so little difference?wow. how much was used in total?
[00:27] <vi956925> yeah.. after killing compiz my desktop was gone and terminal  ctrl+alt+t didnt respond so didnt think of nemore and was impatient:|
[00:27] <zphinx> Ben64: oops, was 13.04.. does this apply to this channel then?
[00:27] <dr_willis> vi956925:  you can always ssh in and use the  shutdown command
[00:27] <CajunLanMan> mdfe, That's what's attracting me to Linux.
[00:27] <mdfe> CajunLanMan, read the ubuntu server guide (google has it) in the ubuntu wiki
[00:27] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, compiz is your desktop compositor. If you want to stop it, you have to start something to replace it, like metacity.
[00:28] <vi956925> stupidly i didn ttry taht tty thing as suggested here earler.. was it ctrl+alt+7/1 or something like that.. dno if thatd work?   any way to recover at all?  anyway will try avoid killing it so hopefulyl wont neeed..  this hanging thing may happen again tho, if related to compiz wanna finda  way to fix if poss hm
[00:28] <kvothetech> mdfe: about 3GB each...i was running a bunch of random useless stuff to make them active
[00:28] <mdfe> CajunLanMan, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/
[00:28] <SIFTU> kvothetech: my test was 60Mb vs 90Mb
[00:28] <mdfe> kvothetech, 10MB difference in 3GB? That's really surprising. Thanks for the info.
[00:28] <CajunLanMan> mdfe, got it.  thanks!
[00:28] <zphinx> Hello people, im currently sitting in the middle of a 13.04 amd64 install.. and for some reason the ubuntu partitioning program isnt seeing my windows partition on sda at all, its listed as partitionless and with 1tb of free space.. anyone know why this might be? I am currently in the livecd enviroment.. and it sees the partition fine.
[00:28] <dr_willis> vi956925:  biggest danger to a ubuntu system - is the  end user doing somthing silly..   from what ive seen in here.
[00:28] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, you can run ubuntu 2d and you won't use compiz
[00:29] <vi956925> Seven_six_two oh.. k.   do you think Compiz sounds likely to be related to an issue of folders failiing to list content,seeming to load forever?  maybe related to other apps (firefox and multiget) somehow, not all sure what/how/when..
[00:29] <mdfe> does raring have ubuntu 2d?
[00:29] <dr_willis> 13.04 does not have Unity2d
[00:29] <vi956925> and if so,  how if at all possible to change/or safely mess with compiz then, if i can try fix it?  only other option when it happens is rebooting
[00:29] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, it could be, if it's because of thumbnail generation.
[00:30] <Seven_Six_Two> does raring have metacity?
[00:30] <kvothetech> SIFTU: maybe theres a huge difference if you didn't actually run anything in it....
[00:30] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925,  you could install and use xfce4. That's what I use.
[00:30] <vi956925> oh hm that may be actually.. well, one of the subfolders prolly had unusuual ones (movie file preview thumbnais i think! mayb something weird with a file..) , but those were in a subfolder, any folder was like that
[00:30] <dr_willis> Lubuntu is the lightest  full featured desktop. but its a bit minimal for some people
[00:30] <SIFTU> kvothetech: I booted crunchbang
[00:31] <Henry151> dr_willis: don't know if you remember my predicaments from last night, but I've resolved them, I think. Just waiting for dd to finish and we'll see. I figured out how to point the iso maker to the syslinux boot files and remade the iso, and now it's dd'ing to the usb key.
[00:31] <vi956925> bit before firefox had just crashd (lost all on it), and later it got stuck and lockd everythign and all programs until i finally killed firefox :s   (had open hundreds of tabs each prolly with buncha scripts etc, while messing with download manager multieget)
[00:31] <dr_willis> Henry151:  you could have tested the iso in virtualbox first ;)
[00:31] <vi956925> ^gues thats related hmh
[00:32] <Henry151> dr_willis: I've never really played with virtualbox
[00:32] <vi956925> prolly happens again tho, hopefully ill get all stuff saved and do safe reboot then if i dont find solution atleat.. i dno
[00:32] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, how much ram do you have?
[00:32] <vi956925> 4gb
[00:32] <dr_willis> Henry151:  its very handy for playing with live cds
[00:32] <kvothetech> SIFTU: arch copy?  lol i like arch but the offshoots are a bit odd to me they really don't ever seem to do anythinrg arch does'nt let you do as it is.
[00:32] <vi956925> but actually may be the reason, as I rememebr running outta ram on windows opening many tabs atelast.. didnt see or know if id get any warning, nor did i check resource usage so mayb.. (was alot of brwoser tabs!)
[00:33] <SIFTU> kvothetech: not archbang
[00:33] <vi956925> if so then,  anything i can do,  or know to limit my ram usage before it goes critical?
[00:33] <dijonyummy> im on 12.04, just installed kde but the graphics is horribly slow, for some reason. how to fix it
[00:33] <dr_willis> vi956925:  dont open hundreeds of browser tabs....
[00:33] <Jeruvy> CajunLanMan sorry was afk, yes it would.  Bash is the default shell.
[00:33] <kvothetech> SIFTU: i was using a kvm of scientificlinux 6.4 32 and 64 bit with mysql postfix dovecot apache nginx and etc all running....and actively being hit hard by the host
[00:33] <Henry151> dr_willis: even if this all fails, it was educational, and I currently am experiencing nearly 4MB/second download speeds, so I could just re-download the big original ISO now and start over. Which btw is faster than dd's copying speed at the moment.
[00:33] <zphinx> Hello people, im currently sitting in the middle of a 13.04 amd64 install.. and for some reason the ubuntu partitioning program isnt seeing my windows partition on sda at all, its listed as partitionless and with 1tb of free space.. anyone know why this might be? I am currently in the livecd enviroment.. and it sees the partition fine.
[00:34] <dr_willis> Henry151:  you did use the bs=4M opttion to dd?
[00:34] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, ulimit
[00:34] <vi956925> windows used to complain about "not enough memory" at 500-something tabs atleast, and refusing any other actions forcing killing browser:s  prolly something similar weird issue just wider consequences and maybe firefox missing a safeguard or smoethign i dno,
[00:34] <Ari-Yang> @ dijonyummy maybe you should ask on #kde ?
[00:34] <vi956925> theres no way it can cause dmg to system atleast tho?  (system files i mean, just temporary?)
[00:34] <mdfe> WHY do you have 500 browser tabs?
[00:34] <kvothetech> zphinx: you can format it from the livecd and install from there...fdisk or cfdisk or parted if you have guid
[00:35] <vi956925> oh, just change ulimit ?? or what do you mean
[00:35] <mdfe> No wait, don't tell me. I don't want to know.
[00:35] <Henry151> dr_willis: bs=3MB ; 3.2mb/s
[00:35] <vi956925> mdfe: uh, i didnt plan to.. browsing porn finding vids i wanna dl, suddenly loada tabs open and i spent time findingeach so dont wanna just close it
[00:35] <dr_willis> Henry151:   ok ) at least you dident let it use the defaults...
[00:35] <kvothetech> mdfe: because he's an idiot and doesn't want o close any of them....theres no way anyone can USEFULLY have 500 tabs.
[00:35] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, I don't know the exact command, sorry. it's in the man page
[00:35] <zphinx> kvothetech: does it matter that its gpt and not mbr_
[00:35] <vi956925> stupid sit has "reccomended" ads below leading further n furhter,dint think wel (bad sate of mind,tired etc) n sudednly happend (too much), and all lots :d
[00:35] <vi956925> lost*
[00:36] <dr_willis> vi956925:  sounds like you need to use  some of those adblock extensions for your browert
[00:36] <kvothetech> zphinx: then use parted not fdisk/cfdisk parted lets you gpt
[00:36] <Henry151> dr_willis: I tried the defaults first but it was 1.2/1.5mb/s and so I googled why is dd so slow
[00:36] <vi956925> k.. but thanks alot then,  Ill just edit my ulimit then  (or.. somehting liek that, Ive used that commaondbefore i think:d) , and will see if hapepns again.
[00:36] <vi956925> any  bad things about editing ulimit, and what should i set it to?
[00:36] <dr_willis> Henry151:  yea. just dont go overboard and try like   bs=1gb  ;)
[00:37] <kvothetech> dr_willis: blocks of 1gb ...damn what're you writing petabytes?
[00:37] <mdfe> vi956925, if you have more than 20 tabs up, something is probably wrong
[00:37] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  saw someone trying that in here one day....
[00:37] <Seven_Six_Two> vi956925, I just read that the "timeout" script, available on github, works better than setting ulimit.
[00:37] <zphinx> kvothetech: will the actual installer still see the partitions then? the whole disk is showing up as free space enough though there is a 500 gig windows partition on it?
[00:37] <vi956925> owell sry wont bother ya gues si talk too muc and bit weird atm:S  will try taht then, incase i need... hopefully it may fix it, evn for other things.  bad when losing control of system and losing like that:s
[00:37] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  i never ntoiced any gains going higher then 4mb
[00:37] <vi956925> seven_six_two oh, what timeout script?
[00:37] <Henry151> kvothetech: only writing 3.7GB actually :)
[00:37] <sarge1221> is there a distro of linux that comes with clamAV preinstalled?
[00:38] <Udms> no
[00:38] <Seven_Six_Two> https://github.com/pshved/timeout
[00:38] <sarge1221> there should be
[00:38] <ReAzem> Worth it going with LVM? I am using a raid array so everything shows up as one single partition, should I bother?
[00:38] <vi956925> sry im big newb to all,not sure what ure talkin about tho it may be obvious to most
[00:38] <Udms> i dont think so
[00:38] <kvothetech> dr_willis: you can gain at about 8-16MB if you have your fs set to higher blocks and it's a 6-700gb file
[00:38] <Udms> never mind
[00:38] <dr_willis> sarge1221:  the clamav homepage might have a preinstalled one.  i recall some other av makers having their own live cds also
[00:38] <vi956925> k thx.. will check that out then, and try that instead then if u think its better
[00:39] <sarge1221> Udms, I think there should be on the grounds that common sense says it shouldn't take two days to haggle with a virus scanner program to scan one potentially infected file from my windows computer. >_>
[00:39] <kvothetech> zphinx: idk..i usually debootstrap my ubuntu installs...
[00:39] <Henry151> well the moment of truth is upon us, the dd is finished. Wish me luck ladies and gentlemen, Debian here I come. Goodbye Ubuntu People.
[00:39] <dr_willis> vi956925:  use adblock and one of those 'dont auto play flash' extensions... saves a lot of hassles i fine.
[00:39] <Seven_Six_Two> Good luck Henry151
[00:39] <kvothetech> zphinx: so i kind of take the silly installer out of it.
[00:39] <vi956925> firefox should have some thing implemented, not allowing to go that far if the result is crash losing all, or locking everything and messing up system (needing reoot atleast)
[00:40] <kvothetech> vi956925: why would you use ff as root..it does..it's called being run as user so all it can mess up is your user account
[00:40] <vi956925> dr_willis i do, and many other addons (noscript aswell, and others for specifically allowing javascript,flash,java,cookies etc. when I need them, and I do, just had enabled all for that site as was required for the media content:/
[00:40] <Seven_Six_Two> dr_willis, I only blacklist ads or sites when they're particularly annoying.
[00:40] <Udms> can i make an operating system in ubuntu?
[00:40] <vi956925> i think flash is bad tho,  on windows i had same problem with browser, and was spammed with flash errors related to the memory problems i think.. prolly similar thing..
[00:40] <dr_willis> Seven_Six_Two:  ;)  and on some sites.. they are 90% ads... heh
[00:41] <vi956925> sucking up lotta resources while i dont eve use it i mean, all those tabs..
[00:41] <zphinx> alright, i just figured out the problem i think kvothetech
[00:41] <Seven_Six_Two> that's true, but I have google ads on my site to try to get paid. I get about $0.01/day
[00:41] <SIFTU> kvothetech: http://imgur.com/sJRRvJP
[00:41] <kvothetech> vi956925: flash is the worst product ever..i've got no idea why any dev's still use it for anything adobe themselves admitted it was horrible and that they were going to stop working on it...that asside html5 does everything flash can do that you'd want.
[00:41] <zphinx> no fake msdos table on my gpt table
[00:42] <zphinx> fixparts /dev/sda fixed it
[00:42] <vi956925> yeah cool, heard bad about it too, and was some of my motivation for putting effort into learning to use these addons to enable/disable things as i need them. have everythign disabled by default mostly now, tiny inconvenence of enabling as needed worth it i think.  also hoping may add to security
[00:43] <kvothetech> zphinx: nice
[00:43] <Henry151> well that was anticlimactic.
[00:43] <vi956925> are there any threats by browsing the web on linux? i guess so, some malicious code to fear ?
[00:43] <goddard> can i disable ubuntu one ?
[00:43] <goddard> so it doesn't run
[00:44] <Henry151> all i got was a little blinking underscore.
[00:44] <dr_willis> vi956925:  i havent heard of any in the last few months.
[00:44] <Seven_Six_Two> goddard, in startup services
[00:44] <zphinx> vi956925: java, plenty of payloads around for linux via java exploits.
[00:44] <dr_willis> !nomodeset | Henry151
[00:44] <WilliamPaul_> Well, you've still gotta give props to Flash, as it has made the web display video content for some time. I too want HTML5 to be king, but it is taking forever.
[00:44] <vi956925> cool..  but unless surely impossible, probably better not risk.  probably better to be more in control of such content for other reasons too
[00:45] <dr_willis> Henry151:  i would teest the iso in vbox also..  to show if the iso is in fact good.
[00:45] <goddard> Seven_Six_Two: where can i edit that?
[00:45] <dr_willis> Henry151:  or on a difernt pc
[00:46] <mdfe> goddard, get the unity tweak tool from the ubuntu software centre and you can edit that graphically
[00:46] <roasted> Question - What is the difference between the function brightness keys versus the brightness slider found in system settings? Reason I ask is my function keys act strange (it'll dim in 1 press to 1% battery, but won't increase at all) however if I adjust the slider in system settings it works fine.
[00:46] <Fateen> i have a 1080p screen but my VirtualBox ubuntu 13.04 only shows 800x600 and 1024x768
[00:47] <Fateen> how do i add new resolutions to list?
[00:47] <sarge1221> dr_willis, I found this but can't find a download link. https://launchpad.net/clamav-livecd
[00:47] <dr_willis> roasted:  sounds like the fn keys are not working right.
[00:47] <mdfe> Fateen, install guest addons: see vbox docs
[00:47] <dr_willis> Fateen:  you did install the vbox guest addations?
[00:47] <roasted> dr_willis: right.
[00:47] <Ari-Yang> I really need to install lib32asound2, lib32z1, ia32-libs to install teamviewer on ubuntu? (12.10)
[00:47] <dr_willis> sarge1221:  ive not used clamav in ages..  so no idea. You could make a live-usb with the latest clamav and updates..
[00:47] <roasted> dr_willis: but what's the difference between the function keys and the brightness slider? How does one work and the other not?
[00:47] <Fateen> ok mdfe / dr_willis thx
[00:48] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: teamviewer uses wine... so yeah
[00:48] <Seven_Six_Two> goddard, I use an xfce applet to change it.
[00:48] <dr_willis> roasted:  no idea. not somthing ive really looked into.
[00:48] <mdfe> roasted, i suspect ubuntu is missing the drivers to correctly interface with the fn keys
[00:48] <mdfe> roasted, those fn keys are unique to rach laptop etc
[00:49] <dr_willis> or the fn keys are miss-mapped.
[00:49] <dr_willis> its smazing how mich variantion there is in these special fn features on laptops
[00:49] <mdfe> Yea, mine has a button to secure erase the SSD
[00:49] <dr_willis> roasted:  at least your  slider works.. ;)
[00:49] <sarge1221> dr_willis if I can just get the correct folder paths for clamd.conf and freshclam.conf I could fix it. Know any channels that could maybe help and don't suggest #clamav those people are beyond useless.
[00:49] <roasted> dr_willis: when I hit the fn brightness keys I get the popup indicating it wants to change the brightness, though. So it's like the system recognizes the correct function for that function key but doesn't execute it.
[00:49] <roasted> dr_willis: does yours not?
[00:50] <vi956925> Dash Home seems to be very quick in fetching search results or something..  Im big newb to nix mayb wrong but, atleast in Win I rememeber SearchIndexer with similar feature, i guess that is constantly crawling (searching) the disc at times, and sucking significant resources accordingly and would rather wait or search other ways... same here, are there a indexing-robot sucking resources that may be disable-able, or just some kinda cache or d
[00:50] <kvothetech> mdfe: sounds like an odd button
[00:50] <roasted> dr_willis: I understood that the slider was software controlled, whereas function keys are kernel controlled. It gave me the impression that the software layer was more compatible with systems (pending all of this is true)
[00:50] <dr_willis> roasted:  ive not used ubuntu on a laptop in ages..    and i only have 2 netbooks
[00:50] <sam___> Does 13.04 have an efi certificate?
[00:51] <Henry151> dr_willis: when I examine the usb stick using gparted it says the entire thing is unallocated.. is that a clue of some sort as to where i went wrong?
[00:51] <lousygarua> Now I'm helping some other guy who messed up his system. Guest login works fine. Regular user login shows black screens and after a few moments the login screen shows again. He did something with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[00:51] <dr_willis> Henry151:  if you dd'd the iso file to it... it would look like a cdrom. so gparted may be confused
[00:51] <vi956925> i win ts what i did shortly after intsalling the OS, and many other things..turning off stuff like searchindexer and other things,  trying to max avialable rsources (tho not much) as wnot use that.  or just updatedb/locate in terminal then i gues..  mayb im wrong/missing something tho,  but the results seemd too (near instant) to go thru files now
[00:52] <dr_willis> Henry151:  try     file /dev/sdX    perhaps? or try mounting the usb?
[00:52] <dr_willis> Henry151:  or 'sudo blkid'
[00:52] <sam___> Does 13.04 have an efi certificate?
[00:52] <vi956925> actually, could it be better (or even possible) to start with a smaller ubuntu/nix, like server/minimal thing and installnig just desktop and things as i need them?  assume alot i wont need, like win focusing on user-friendlyness instead..   mayb alot of useful tho, but interesting to know atleast..
[00:52] <mdfe> lousygarua, does the package manager log show what he did?
[00:53] <dr_willis> vi956925:  you dont even know what you will be needing however.. so is it worth the effort.
[00:53] <Fateen> ok mdfe / dr_willis , i installed the guest addons and rebooted the Virutal OS, but i still dont see any new resoltuions in list. what am i missing?
[00:53] <vi956925> the music player for example, i bet alot similar to that included by default ill never evr use, maybe tiny things tho i dno
[00:53] <lousygarua> mdfe, I don't have the logs, I'm answering on our LoCo forums so I'm not physically next to the users' computers.
[00:54] <dr_willis> Fateen:  on vbox here.. i dont even recall needing to change the res at all..  but im running lubuntu in vbox on windows...
[00:54] <mdfe> Fateen, you should be seeing it
[00:54] <vi956925> well could just "apt-get install *" (if possible) or just alot xtras etc too then, just incase:d  ive thought of it too, but resources may be needed some time, like when trying to squeeze out every bit for game performance or such mayb
[00:54] <mdfe> Fateen, if oyu resize the host window and then use the host's menu to resize the guest, what happens?
[00:55] <mdfe> Fateen, the guest is it's probably reading the screen size from the size of the host's window
[00:55] <dr_willis> i was thinking my desktop - auto resized to match the windows size of the  vbox window
[00:55] <somsip> vi956925: yes - just install minimal and add on what you want. There will still be dependencies oulled in you may not feel necessary (X pulls in a load of video drivers for example) but you will have much less cruft
[00:55] <lousygarua> Maybe there's a way to reset the x session settings to default?
[00:55] <alvarezp> Seven_Six_Two, guess what, last time I tried crashing the PC I quit pinpoint after the first slide rendered and it didn't crash. But if I do it *during* the transition animation it crashed my entire system. I needed a cold reboot.
[00:55] <vi956925> mayb tiny, hopefully very insignificant then!    just remembered on windows.. id spend more time changing stuff and fixing such, than the install of the os itself took:s (ilke disabling the by default weekly scheduled defrad, search indexer, stopping animations/aero etc.. etc..)
[00:55] <mdfe> lousygarua, not that i know of but you can try reinstalling the packages that cover it.
[00:55] <sam___> Does 13.04 have an efi certificate?
[00:56] <alvarezp> Seven_Six_Two, (my PC was weirdly crashing X on exiting pinpoint)
[00:56] <vi956925> somsip: cool.. may try that some time then.  probably useful in learning how to mess aruond with the system too, and maybe give me some improvement some time if i can get it all working well like that then
[00:56] <dr_willis> vi956925:  spend more time using the OS. and less time worrying about the OS...
[00:56] <vi956925> yeah i guess:d
[00:56] <Fateen> mdfe, it adds one 640x480 resolution if i resize the window. but no bigger resoltuion above that. http://i.imgur.com/lVn7qze.jpg
[00:56] <lousygarua> mdfe, what packages are those? do I apt-get purge && apt-get install them?
[00:56] <Fateen> oh i made the window smaller then big, now i see it span all over the screen mdfe ;p
[00:57] <somsip> vi956925: I found it took no initial configuration to get working. Tweaking is a completely different matter...
[00:57] <vi956925> i installed some games that doesnt perform as i think should expect (much better performance on windows, tiny tweaks (like disabling sounds) having huge impact,  keeping my cpu at 100% (unlike on windows). maybe just a configuration thing tho,  but every tiem i play atleast i try kill everything i dont need of normal programs atleast
[00:57] <lousygarua> Maybe he just needs to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again from tty1 or soemthing
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> sam___, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot
[00:57] <mdfe> lousygarua, not sure what the packages are; that is why i was asking you if you could see his logs
[00:58] <lousygarua> mdfe, I see.
[00:58] <Fateen> thx mdfe
[00:58] <savagecroc> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx << i've been following the instructions on this site and when i get to the stage where i run the command http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[00:58] <platzhirsch> Any known problems with Samba on Raring Ringtail? system-config-samba is installed, but it does not appear in the Dash
[00:58] <vi956925> yeah k. maybe insignificant etc. but like the animations, trails, suonds etc. as on windows Id happily pass on, and much else, even if improvement is tiny
[00:58] <lousygarua> mdfe, thanks for the help of course
[00:59] <vi956925> worked very easily btw, only thing i stopped at between putting in cd and having it installed was the partition setup.. got some simple answers here and got that working tho. that was what held me back frmo it eariler, unsure about the partitioning part of the install  and didnt wanna mess with incase got stuck with lotta isues then
[01:00] <bestdnd> hi. many times i have high iowait, around 60%-80%, while my cpu is at 20%-40% (so together they get 100%). when it happens, everything works very slow, around a few seconds until the mouse pointer moves. how can i find what causes it?
[01:00] <Fateen> how to disable the animations in ubuntu. it's running pretty slow on my i7 laptop ;/
[01:01] <SnapSnap> I'm running Ubuntu 13.04. How do I make shell scripts run in the terminal by default. Currently when selected, they run in gedit.
[01:01] <mdfe> Fateen, ubuntu 13.04 requires 3d acceleration really. What you could do is install xubuntu,which doenst
[01:01] <johnjohn101> i think i figured out network manager vs wicd problem. seems all i had to do is hit apply system wide on the network proxy box and all is well.
[01:01] <Fateen> mdfe, oh, ok, i think i have 3d accel disbaled in virtualbox. thx
[01:01] <johnjohn101> i've never had a network proxy
[01:02]  * mdfe forgot 3d accel works on windows hosts 
[01:04] <Loshki> bestdnd: My first guess would be that the disk is retrying. In your place, I would use SMART (gsamrtctl) to see if your disk has bad spots. You might wanna do a backup also...
[01:04] <SnapSnap> I'm running Ubuntu 13.04. How do I make shell scripts run in the terminal by default. Currently when selected, they run in gedit.
[01:05] <vi956925> when 12.04 is no longer supported, will updating be easy or require reinstalling OS or much work with files or such?  any easy way to take backup of some kind of the system, or main way is just stuffing in a foldera nd tar.gz it kinda ?
[01:05] <mdfe> SnapSnap, In nautilus?
[01:05] <SnapSnap> Yeah. When I select a shell script it tries to open it in gedit. Since many of them are large this freezes my computer. I want shell scripts to execute by default
[01:06] <vi956925> guess i should keep track of all special programs (like custom music player, other things..settings etc),  may become alot over the years and will suck the day i mess up and fk the system need to start over.. hopefully wont be too much tho:d owel
 you mean "apt-get install smartpm-core"? do i need to do it while iowait is high?
[01:06] <vi956925> or what do ppl do?  keep everything orderly and simple just or some kinda backup or migration tools easy to use?
[01:07] <Loshki> vi956925: 12.04 is an LTS. By the time they stop supporting it, you won't be very interested in it any more, and there will be a new LTS to update to. Backups will work the way they always have...
[01:07] <vi956925> would be cool to have a virtual identical and easily updatable copy of ones system,  like keeping up with small changes like perl addons n such, to have a test-box with same hm
[01:08] <Fateen> how safe is chromium? compared to google chrome? can i trust it with my email / bank account details etc?
[01:08] <vi956925> k.. was just afraid i make kind braches with file/settings all over in all ways everywhere that i dont remember,and are forced to switch later anyway.. hopefully np tho and ill figure,hmh
[01:08] <mdfe> SnapSnap, old nautilus had a preference box for that
[01:08] <n0sq> is 13.04 ready for play?
[01:08] <vi956925> looking for smoe backup ways tho,  getting alot of custom things and im afraid with my newbskills ill break something serioussome day, prolly..
[01:08] <SnapSnap> mdfe, does the version of nautilus that comes with 13.04 have that?
[01:08] <three18ti> where is my active background stored in xfce?  It's one that I chose so it won't be in the stock /ush/share/backgrounds
[01:09] <userZ> does the newest version of ubuntu auto install a logitech webcam?
[01:09] <mdfe> SnapSnap, Unknown, I don't use it as they removed tree view. Unity tweak tool *might* have a setting for it.
[01:09] <mdfe> SnapSnap, You can get NEMO which is a nautulus fork
[01:09] <vi956925> the "apt-get install etc" is awesome btw., really kewl and helpful tool =D    id mess up so much if dling all that stuff manually, ive tried a few timesa and got stuck in the forest of endless required dependencies :S
[01:09] <Hx2> ANy idea of why for 3.8 gnome,   the session command:   gnome-session --session gnome-classic    Is not working? with error failed to load session
[01:10] <SnapSnap> mdfe, found it. I didn't expect nautilus to handle it so it didn't occur to me to check in those preferences.
[01:11] <Udms> ##udms
[01:12] <Udms> ##udms
[01:12] <Udms> #udms
[01:14] <Udms> ## udms
[01:14] <Udms> ##udms
[01:14] <OerHeks> Udms, yeah yeah, no i won't join  your spammers-channel
[01:14] <Udms> im trying to create a channel OerHeks
[01:15] <three18ti> channel for what Udms?
[01:15] <kvothetech> vi956925 if you wanted dep management taken out go for slackware or lfs
[01:15] <Udms> for developing on linux
[01:15] <OerHeks> !ot | Udms Udms join #freenode for channel help
[01:16] <t_pol> hello, what's the command line if i want ubuntu to wake up at 8h00 and automatically run a movie on totem?
[01:17] <th0r> t_pol, at
[01:18] <OerHeks> tpol make a cronjob like  totem --play path/to/movie.avi
[01:18] <kvothetech> t_pol send it a netowrk packet and have wake on lan on in bios and a cron job to start the movie
[01:19] <th0r> I guess a two letter command is too simple
[01:19] <Udms> now ive created udms as udmsdev
[01:19] <fractaline> hi peeps
[01:19] <mdfe> th0r will 'at' wake from sleep?
[01:19] <th0r> mdfe, should work as well as cron
[01:20] <mdfe> th0r, so no then ? :)
[01:20] <Fateen> i try to run this command, following a tutorial. but it says 'yum command not found'. % sudo yum install git libtool pkg-config
[01:20] <mdfe> Fateen, Ubuntu doesnot use yum
[01:20] <mdfe> Fateen, those instructions are for a different linux distro
[01:20] <fractaline> i'm looking at switching from 32bit to 64bit   i have intel i5   any tips/advice?
[01:21] <Fateen> ah mdfe ;/
[01:21] <chisle> fractaline:  try live cd first
[01:21] <kvothetech> fateen yum is not used in ubuntu you can use apt or aptitude
[01:21] <kvothetech> you can also dl the rpm extract it and manually install it
[01:21] <mdfe> Fateen, You need ubuntu specific ideally, but most debian will probably work. Ubuntu would install with 'sudo apt-get install <x>' not 'yum install <x>'
[01:22] <Jeruvy> fractaline how much RAM do you have?
[01:22] <kvothetech> or you can just find the source to the package and compile it any of the 3 should work
[01:22] <fractaline> 4gig currently
[01:22] <Jeruvy> fractaline then you should install
[01:23] <Ari-Yang> hey, what happened to software center? http://gyazo.com/96a1ef2746bcf2d8e3a2d4012cc5c9fb
[01:23] <Ari-Yang> so I guess I hit 'Repair'?
[01:24] <gerep> Hi there!
[01:24] <val___> hello
[01:24] <mdfe> Fateen, What are specifcally trying to install?
[01:24] <gerep> I have ubuntu installed and I want to install Windows, I just bought skyrim and I want to play =)
[01:24] <Udms> ls
[01:24] <fractaline> chisle,  why?
[01:24] <Udms> clear
[01:24] <val___> are there any useful irc channels to troubleshoot monitor resolution for ratpoison desktop env. ?
[01:25] <mdfe> gerep, skyrim will work via wine
[01:25] <val___> i tried the ratpoison channel but i think everyone there is afk
[01:25] <gerep> My ubuntu installation took the entire disk, how can I create a partition now? is it safe?
[01:25] <Udms> no
[01:25] <Udms> you can but its not safe
[01:25] <catholic7> kvothetech, i think im almost set, but i dont seam to connect, it tells me wrong password
[01:25] <gerep> Udms: damn...so the best option is to format?
[01:26] <mdfe> gerep, you can resize the partitions with gparted
[01:26] <gerep> mdfe: but that is not safe is it? I use this notebook to work, so I can't mess with it =)
[01:26] <mdfe> gerep, after you install windows you will need to repair the boot loader with grub, as windows will nuke it
[01:26] <Udms> never mind it is very safe
[01:26] <gerep> Udms: really?
[01:26] <mdfe> gerep, it usually works ;-)
[01:27] <Udms> yes
[01:27] <Hx2> Anybody knows about gnome 3.8 failing to load gnome classic?
[01:27] <Udms> hx2: no
[01:27] <mdfe> gerep, will a work laptop run skyrim?
[01:27] <gerep> mdfe: yes, I already tried it =)
[01:27] <gerep> mdfe and Udms thanks for you time and attention ;)
[01:27] <kvothetech> catholic7 ok
[01:27] <catholic7> i think i got it......
[01:27] <Hx2> any ideas about what can be the issue?
[01:27] <kvothetech> mdfe depends on specs
[01:28] <mdfe> gerep your options are 1) rezize the partitions, 2) reinstall win then ubuntu, 3) use WINE in ubuntu
[01:28] <gerep> mdfe: the 3 options doesn't work, I'm gonna try the first
[01:28] <fractaline> sorry to but in ;)  are there many cons to running 64bit ubuntu these days?
[01:29] <mdfe> gerep, performance is too low in wine?
[01:29] <gerep> mdfe: I couldn't install skyrim
[01:29] <mdfe> fractaline, printer drivers
[01:29] <mdfe> gerep, http://www.playonlinux.com/en/issue-2046.html
[01:29] <kvothetech> fractalline no not really and if you have any issues multilib or 32 bit chroot
[01:29] <fractaline> mdfe thats the con?
[01:30] <mdfe> fractaline, some drivers still, and a couple of media codecs
[01:30] <Ari-Yang> anybody know how I can fix software-center? http://gyazo.com/96a1ef2746bcf2d8e3a2d4012cc5c9fb
[01:30] <fractaline> and the pros??
[01:30] <Muelli> Ari-Yang: click "repair"
[01:30] <mdfe> fractaline, can use more memory, requirde 64bit for uefi secure boot
[01:31] <kvothetech> fractalline more memory addressing support for things like kvm
[01:31] <Udms> Ari-Yang: you have to update its cache by clicking repair
[01:31] <Ari-Yang> Muelli, that didn't work.
[01:31] <catholic7> kvothetech, i got in but now i want to change the home directory
[01:31] <Ari-Yang> I ran software-center in terminal as sudo (because I have to on this DE)
[01:31] <Ari-Yang> this is what I got..
[01:31] <Rich787> Hey all, I'm trying to download a torrent to an external hard drive, but rtorrent is freezing up when I try to do this. Does anyone know why?
[01:31] <Muelli> Ari-Yang: not a smart idea.
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> Ari-Yang, You would use gksudo
[01:32] <catholic7> kvothetech, my command was: useradd -g ftpusers -d /home/catholic7/ftp userhere
[01:32] <Udms> Ari-Yang: you have to update its cache by clicking repair
[01:32] <Ari-Yang> I did hit repair
[01:32] <Udms> ok
[01:32] <Ari-Yang> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vstvmpua
[01:32] <Ari-Yang> here ^
[01:33] <savagecroc> Hi everyone.. i'm a bit confused about how tosetup LUKS/dm-crypt for full disk encryption.. i've got an ubuntu bootable usb drive.. do i need to install ubuntu first? or can i use the usb drive to boot to command line and run various commands
[01:33] <Muelli> savagecroc: no, yes.
[01:33] <kvothetech> catholic you can change the home dir in /etc/passwd
[01:33] <Udms> does anyone know how to delete unity and put on kde
[01:34] <Ari-Yang> do I have to run apt-get update and then apt-get -f install?
[01:34] <Udms> checking
[01:34] <savagecroc> ok so how do i get a terminal window from the USB drive?
[01:34] <savagecroc> .. oh i think i've got it.. try ubuntu
[01:35] <kvothetech> savage you encryot then install on it you first go to a termibal and format the partition then cryptsetup to encrypt it then mount it then install to it
[01:35] <kvothetech> savage ctrl alt f1
[01:35] <Rich787> Udms: You should be able to go into the software center to add the whole KDE package. I can't remember the title of it though
[01:35] <Udms> no ari_yang
[01:36] <kvothetech> udms yes apt get --purge remove whateverpackageunityis apt get install kde
[01:36] <Udms> thank you
[01:36] <kvothetech> rich787 something like kde-meta
[01:36] <Rich787> yea sounds familiar
[01:36] <catholic7> kvothetech, how can i set it to be a diff partition? its this one: /dev/sda5
[01:37] <savagecroc> kvotech: ok.. so format partiion.. cryptsetup.. then mount the drive.. how do you then trigger the ubuntu installer?
[01:37] <Ari-Yang> okay, the problem isn't there
[01:37] <Ari-Yang> I'm not sure what happened......
[01:37] <Udms> how do you run python with a parameter in command line
[01:38] <James_Epp> Greetings! I am trying to do a network boot of Ubuntu_1204_Desktop_i386. (In PxE) I am using the following under my menu for kernel : KERNEL 0/Ubuntu/12.04/Desktop/i386/casper/vmlinuz     and I am getting the error message of 'Invalid or corrupt kernel image' when my client boots. Is the default vmlinuz not compatible with PxE ??
[01:38] <kvothetech> udms python parameter
[01:38] <fractaline> so for a novice/casual user is there much benefit in switching to 64bit?    been having some bugginess with 12.04 but atm i suspect cairo dock...
[01:38] <kvothetech> like anything else
[01:38] <Udms> ok
[01:38] <Udms>  
[01:38] <Udms>  
[01:38] <Udms>  
[01:38] <FloodBot1> Udms: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:39] <kvothetech> james idk check /proc/config.gz on it if its running
[01:40] <James_Epp> kvothetech: Could you elaborate? I do not know what you mean by this config.gz
[01:40] <Riley_88> hey guys for playing games in wine do yall know if 360 controllers are plug and play like on windows
[01:40] <Udms> does apt-get use ubuntu software center
[01:41] <kvothetech> james epp thats the running kernels config look for the pxe options in the file after extracting it
[01:41] <mdfe> Riley_88, they work and how to set them up is an easy google. i dont know the procedure myself but i know its simple
[01:41] <Riley_88> udms apt-get is i terminal
[01:41] <James_Epp> There is no config.gz
[01:41] <Udms> i didnt get that
[01:41] <mdfe> Udms, other way around: s/ware centre is a front end for dpkg. At-get is a terminal front end for dpkg as well.
[01:41] <kvothetech> udms software center uses apt not other way around
[01:41] <Udms> ok
[01:41] <val___> hi, i'm having trouble getting the proper resolution to work
[01:42] <Udms> but is thetre an alternative to apt
[01:42] <mdfe> udms: aptitude, synaptic, dpkg
[01:42] <kvothetech> james epp /proc doesnt have a copy of your running kernels config? wth
[01:42] <Riley_88> mdfe i got nba2k13 working pretty good in wine but i cant use my ps3 controller so i guess ill need to buy a 360 one lol
[01:42] <cephalopod> anyone on here using gally? (sign-language teaching program??)
[01:42] <James_Epp> Apparently not. I have restarted the service after I edited /etc/exports
[01:42] <kvothetech> cephalopod nope not one person
[01:43] <Udms> is there an alternative to bash
[01:43] <mdfe> Udms, a great many shells :)
[01:43] <cntb> eeepc intel atom on 12.04 ;ts recently updated disappeared sound.\
[01:44] <cntb> !sound
[01:44] <defendor> every time i try the sudo command i am getting 'bus error' .. please help! ubuntu server 13.04 32bit
[01:44] <mdfe> Udms, may i ask why you need one?
[01:44] <Udms> i just wanted to know
[01:44] <Riley_88> udms unless u switch distro like to suse or arch now
[01:44] <Riley_88> no*
[01:44] <mdfe> Udms, linux is open source, there's an alternative for everthing as there is no central control, and everyone can make their own stuff
[01:45] <kvothetech> james_epp hmm well no idea if you dont know what your kernel was compiled with id suspecr something odd if its not in /proc though
[01:45] <Udms> okay
[01:45] <cntb> Volume applet not appearing. how to manage applets anyway
[01:45] <jawee> Does anyone have a recommendation for a lighter-weight browser than Opera/Chrome? I'm on a netbook with 1GB of RAM and first gen Atom processor.. Opera 9.x was doing well, but newer versions not so much.
[01:45] <James_Epp> I am creating a proper 'ubuntu paste' right now
[01:45] <Riley_88> jawee firefox
[01:45] <Riley_88> or qupzilla
[01:45] <Udms> does anyone know of a tutorial of bash
[01:45] <jawee> Riley_88: Firefox is even worse than Opera :\ I will lookup qupzilla; I had not heard of it
[01:46] <kvothetech> jawee uzbl xxxterm
[01:46] <mdfe> Udms, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting
[01:46] <SIFTU> Udms: http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/scripting/tutoriallist
[01:46] <kvothetech> jawee those are the most usable light ones anyway
[01:46] <Udms> thanks
[01:46] <jawee> kvothetech: those look useful. I like that it still uses webkit.. stuff like dillo isn't worth messing with
[01:47] <bellasbells> defendor, see if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/192567 helps (the last 5 comments)
[01:47] <Udms> goodbye
[01:48] <bellasbells> defendor, though that bug report is for synaptic, it applies for other apps as well (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2070840)
[01:48] <GBGames> I just upgraded to 12.04, and I find that switching between workspaces with CTRL+ALT+arrow keys works differently. I can't simply press left and right as far as I want. Now I have to go up and down as well?
[01:48] <mdfe> jawee, i really like xxxterm
[01:48] <GBGames> Is there a way to change the functionality back?
[01:48] <mdfe> GBGames, keyboard bindings in the system settings
[01:48] <kvothetech> mdfe yeah its great
[01:49] <Riley_88> gbgames u can just do alt+tab
[01:49] <kvothetech> gbgames rebind the shortcuts
[01:49] <GBGames> Riley_88: That switches between applications, not workspaces.
[01:49] <defendor> bellasbells it might work with removing /var/cache/apt *bin files, but to do that i need to use 'sudo rm', and i can't use sudo at all!
[01:49] <bellasbells> defendor, boot into rescue mode
[01:49] <bellasbells> or use a livecd
[01:50] <GBGames> kvothetech: I guess I don't see how changing the shortcuts works.
[01:50] <Rich787> Does anyone have any experience using a torrent program to write to an external?
[01:50] <Rich787> my client hangs when I try to do so :/
[01:51] <GBGames> The shortcut for switching workspaces says "Move to workspace left|right|above|below"
[01:51] <savagecroc> when securely erasing a disk in preparation for LUKS, does it have to be partitioned first?
[01:51] <GBGames> And so the real issue seems to be making the workspaces left and right and not above and below.
[01:51] <GBGames> Unless I'm missing something.
[01:52] <mdfe> GBGames, you want the sworkspaces all horizontal?
[01:52] <fractaline> sorry to spam you guys ... i'm about to move from 12.04 to 13.04 and i am looking for advice as to whether or not it's worth it to switch to 64bit while i'm at it?
[01:52] <dillu> @fractaline
[01:52] <dillu> don't.
[01:52] <dillu> there is no point
[01:52] <dillu> wait till the LTS
[01:53] <number-6> fatal error: term.h: No such file or directory
[01:53] <mdfe> raring has a working task switcher in unity though :)
[01:53] <number-6> any suggestions?
[01:53] <GBGames> mdfe: So before I upgraded, and on every system I've ever used (Debian w/ Fluxbox or Gnome, previous Ubuntu versions with Gnome or Unity, etc), CTRL+ALT+left or right was all I needed to navigate my workspaces.
[01:53] <kvothetech> savagecroc i think so
[01:53] <fractaline> dillu, no point in 13.04 or 64bit?
[01:53] <GBGames> Now I can't. If I try to do CTRL+ALT+right, I can only navigate to one workspace, and I have to use CTRL+ALT+down to get to another.
[01:54] <mdfe> GBGames, downloda "unity tweak tool" and it will enable you to set the workspaces all horizontal, so you can move left-right only. It's in software centre
[01:54] <GBGames> Ok, thanks, mdfe!
[01:54] <netcrash> hello, can anyone provide me the default groupS for the "admin" user in ubuntu?
[01:54] <dillu> no point upgrading to 13.04
[01:54] <dillu> except for the icons, there  is no major change
[01:54] <SIFTU> savagecroc: no it doesnt need partitions to wipe
[01:55] <mdfe> dillu, unity scroll switching was vital for me
[01:55] <usr13_> netcrash: For what?  admin is just admin.
[01:55] <trism> number-6: libncurses5-dev perhaps
[01:55] <fractaline> but i want the latest and greatest....   ;)
[01:55] <savagecroc> SIFTU: ah yeah.. it wasn't outputting any info.. i just read about passing it the -USR1 switch
[01:55] <netcrash> usr13_: ok, then the groups for the normal everyday user
[01:56] <GBGames> mdfe: Not seeing this tweak tool.
[01:56] <bleemoo> Hi. I'm running 13.04, and my housemates are running Windows boxes. Whenever I go online, they lose internet. I have no idea why this is happening, and want to fix it.
[01:56] <dillu> there should be something worthwhile in the latest right? there isn't 12.04 is surely the greatest (as of now)
[01:56] <dillu> so my advice - wait till the LTS
[01:56] <mdfe> GBGames, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-unity-tweak-tool-in-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail.html
[01:56] <kvothetech> dillu depends what you want
[01:57] <GBGames> Well, as I said, I just upgraded to 12.04 LTS.
[01:57] <dillu> kvothetech - exactly my point
[01:57] <Ari-Yang> 13.04 is on latest kernerl right?
[01:57] <Ari-Yang> s/kernerl/kernel
[01:57] <netcrash> bleemoo: any torrent software installed or soemthing on your machine causing network issues?
[01:57] <cntb> !sound
[01:58] <mdfe> GBGames, ah sorry, didnt see it was 12.04. I have forgotten how to do it in 12.04
[01:58] <GBGames> mdfe: No problem.
[01:58] <mdfe> Ari-Yang, 3.8.something after updates
[01:58] <usr13_> netcrash: If you grep the user you have, you'll see them.  grep netcrash /etc/group
[01:58] <Ari-Yang> yeah, so some people may want to run on 13.04 because of that *shrugs*
[01:59] <kvothetech> ari yang only real way to get the latest kernel is kernel.org and nonstop grab it as people xhange it and compile it
[01:59] <James_Epp> I have bundled my question as nicely as I could into this pastebin: http://goo.gl/yyHI5
[01:59] <kvothetech> ari ysng personally ill stick with 3.9.2
[01:59] <netcrash> usr13_: Cool but I did "shit" (usermod -G) and lost the groups (at least I think I did since I lost the sudoers group)
[02:00] <Ari-Yang> stable: 	3.8.13 [EOL] from kernel.org, what does the EOL stand for?
[02:00] <bleemoo> No torrent software is active. Right now, as far as I know, the applications that are accessing the internet are dropbox, chrome, skype, pidgin, and a terminal I have an active ssh session in. No large file transfers are taking place. My housemate who is sitting two feet away from can't download a game she just purchased, and can barely access the internet at all.
[02:00] <usr13_> netcrash: Not good.
[02:00] <mdfe> 3.4.0 Chromium OS kernel on this machine
[02:01] <Ari-Yang> ah, latest kernel is 3.9.2
[02:01] <mdfe> bleemoo, this could be your ISP
[02:01] <Ari-Yang> * latest stable
[02:01] <usr13_> netcrash: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[02:01] <mdfe> Ari-Yang, End of Life
[02:01] <kvothetech> ari yang yeah thats what im on but im on gentoo
[02:01] <bleemoo> It's pretty consistently whenever my machine is connected and at no other time.
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> I'm actually tempted to update the kernel on this machine (running 12.10) to the latest stable...
[02:02] <mdfe> bleemoo, could be router as well. i cant think of anything on your machine that would do it. maybe some kind of weird IP address comflict perhaps?
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> 12.10 as we know uses 3.5... I think
[02:02] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm trying to get my webcam to take a picture every x seconds and save it to a folder. I've succeeded with vgrabbj, webcam, and motion. Motion uses too much cpu, but the other two won't save pictures with sequential file names. Does anyone know of another way to do this, preferably command prompt so that I can leave it running in a screen session so that I don't have to have a window open for days on end.
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> though, I wonder if that's a smart move to do...
[02:03] <usr13_> netcrash: Depends on what you have going on, but, here is a list off of one of mine:  adm dialout cdrom plugdev netdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[02:03] <Seven_Six_Two>  /s/motion/streamer
[02:03] <James_Epp> I have corrected an error in my pastebin. Please refer to this one : http://goo.gl/MdWkP    . If anyone could help me out with booting Ubuntu live cd over the network that would be superb!
[02:04] <alejandro> @
[02:04] <usr13_> James_Epp: Sure.... how can we help?
[02:04] <kvothetech> ari yang wont hurt long as you include everything you need
[02:04] <fractaline> kvothetech, you runing 13.04?   64bit?
[02:05] <James_Epp> usr13_: I think it may be an incorrect kernel or something, but I would like someone to check it over and see if they can find an issue in my directory structures/config files/ or if I need to substitute the default kernel with another?
[02:05] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: unless you have a reason, you shouldn't upgrade the kernel
[02:05] <Ari-Yang> yeah
[02:05] <kernix> hi all
[02:06] <kvothetech> fractalline im running gentoo ~amd64 (testing 64 bit)
[02:06] <Ari-Yang> I'm running on 12.10, thinking about upgrading to 13.04. I thought "might as well seeing how it isn't LTS", then I heard about 13.10 lol when I see 13.10 becomes stable, I might actually upgrade to it
[02:06] <kvothetech> kernix hi
[02:08] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: you have to go through all the versions anyway, might as well
[02:08] <bestdnd> hi. after having high iowait, i'm using "Disk Utility".  on my system hd, it say "attribute: Current Pending Sector Count, assessment: Warning, normalized 200, worst 200, threshold 0, value 1 sector". should i be worried? could it be related to my iowait issue? what can i do?
[02:08] <Ari-Yang> Ben64, what do you mean "I have to go through all the versions"?
[02:09] <Ari-Yang> isn't it fine lets say updating from 12.10 to 3.10? skipping 3.04
[02:09] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10
[02:09] <fractaline> ^^
[02:09] <Ari-Yang> what's wrong with skipping 13.4?
[02:09] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: you can't
[02:09] <Ari-Yang> * 13.04
[02:09] <Ari-Yang> oh
[02:09] <Ari-Yang> unless I d/l an .iso and make a usb boot up? :b
[02:09] <Ben64> lts upgrades to lts, but other than that you can't skip
[02:09] <kvothetech> ari more likely to break something
[02:09] <usr13_> James_Epp: What is your end goal?  Are you wanting to do network installs across your LAN?
[02:10] <James_Epp> The goal of my setup is to boot the Ubuntu 12.04 desktop i386 iso over the network using nfs and tftpd-hpa.
[02:10] <Ari-Yang> so even with a usb install that has 3.10, I should still upgrade to 13.04? O:
[02:10] <defendor> my internet is trribly slow in ubuntu 13.04 home server, i dont know why.
[02:10] <fred-fri> what are the equivalents of times new roman and verdana in ubuntu?
[02:11] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: reinstall is not the same as an upgrade
[02:11] <Ari-Yang> true, but it's okay to reinstall ubuntu (replacing 12.10) with 13.10 for e.g.
[02:12] <Ari-Yang> without messing anything up
[02:12] <Ari-Yang> I would think so tbh...
[02:12] <James_Epp> usr13_: Along with booting it, yes, being able to do the installs as well as using the live environment would be perfect.
[02:12] <usr13_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[02:12] <Ben64> fred-fri: Times New Roman and Verdana
[02:12] <kvothetech> ari as long as you keep your /home and dont mind reinstalling extra packages all your stuff should be there if you do that
[02:13] <fred-fri> Ben64: lol im just looking for open, pre-installed fonts that are similar
[02:13] <fred-fri> liberation sans and serif seem to do the job
[02:13] <James_Epp> usr13_: Netboot would be a nice option, but I was planning on adding a lot more to this server in the future. Acronis, Hirens, Windows Pre-installation environments, etc.
[02:13] <Ben64> fred-fri: dunno, i have both of those on my computer already
[02:13] <dillu> fred-fri: liberation sans is almost the same as times
[02:14] <gordonjcp> fred-fri: you can install those both, subject to accepting the terms of the licence for them
[02:14] <fred-fri> cool, ill stick to liberation
[02:14] <fred-fri> cheers
[02:14] <fractaline> so what would be the best way to keep /home if i reinstall
[02:15] <danielfu> Hi, are there anybody know about powervm?
[02:15] <Ben64> fractaline: ideally /home is a separate partition
[02:15] <bestdnd> hi. after having high iowait, i'm using "Disk Utility".  on my system HD, it say "attribute: Current Pending Sector Count, assessment: Warning, normalized 200, worst 200, threshold 0, value 1 sector". also, using the self test button gives "self tests: failed (read)" on all 3 types. should i be worried? could it be related to my iowait issue? what can i do?
[02:15] <James_Epp> usr13_: The issue I am having is that my client is reporting an invalid kernel image. I see in this documentation they are using a 'linux' kernel. Should I be using that instead?
[02:16] <Ben64> bestdnd: could be bad drive, bad cable, bad motherboard
[02:17] <bestdnd> but it works now. it's the system drive i'm using/
[02:17] <Jordan_U> bestdnd: Do you have good backups?
[02:18] <usr13_> James_Epp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[02:18] <GBGames> Ok, so it seems if I am in Unity-2d, I can't change the horizontal/vertical workspaces?
[02:18] <usr13_> James_Epp: Looks like the this covers it pretty well  ^^^^
[02:19] <bestdnd> not really, but my i keep most of my data on a different HD
[02:19] <usr13_> GBGames: If you drop down to only 2, can you?
[02:19] <James_Epp> usr13_: This does not cover my vmlinuz issue, however. They are using the same boot file that I am having issues loading in the first place.
[02:19] <GBGames> I can't change it.
[02:19] <GBGames> I have to log out, go into Unity 3D, and using MyUnity, I can change the number of horizontal and vertical workspaces.
[02:19] <GBGames> And it seems to work fine until I switch back to Unity-2d.
[02:20] <usr13_> GBGames: What about just  Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, Ctrl-F3  etc.  ?
[02:20] <GBGames> MyUnity can't change it in 2D mode, and the workspaces in 2D are still in a 2x2 configuration.
[02:20] <GBGames> usr13_: ?
[02:21] <usr13_> GBGames: Change workspaces with Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, Ctrl-F3  etc.
[02:21] <GBGames> That's the thing. I don't want to change how I have been doing it for years.
[02:21] <GBGames> CTRL+ALT+ left/right.
[02:21] <GBGames> That's all I want to do.
[02:21] <GBGames> But this 2x2 configuration forces me to do up/down as well, and I don't want to do that.
[02:21] <GBGames> And I don't want to change how I switch workspaces.
[02:21] <usr13_> GBGames: So what's wrong with  Ctrl-F1, Ctrl-F2, Ctrl-F3  ?
[02:22] <GBGames> What's wrong is that it is not how I've ever changed workspaces.
[02:22] <GBGames> I'm not looking to change my workflow that has served me for years.
[02:23] <usr13_> GBGames: What Desktop Environment were you using before?  Gnome?
[02:23]  * James_Epp inserts sadface
[02:23] <GBGames> Before I upgraded to 12.04, I was using the previous Ubuntu LTS, which recently informed me that there were no more updates available for it.
[02:24] <GBGames> So it was the previous iteration of Unity.
[02:24] <GBGames> But before that, Gnome, and before that, Fluxbox.
[02:24] <usr13_> GBGames: How about xfce?
[02:24] <GBGames> usr13_: No, I never used it myself, but a colleague did.
[02:25] <Aethysius> What's the advantage of using a LTS release over a non-LTS release?
[02:25] <Ari-Yang> I don't like Unity (DE)
[02:25] <Ari-Yang> << >>
[02:25] <Ari-Yang> wonder  how many use it
[02:25] <usr13_> GBGames: Try it.  You'll probablly like it.
[02:25] <Aethysius> I dislike Unity as well.
[02:25] <GBGames> Ari-Yang: I also don't like Unity. B-)
[02:25] <Aethysius> I like KDE.
[02:25] <GBGames> Aethysius: Not having to worry about updating the machine if you are depending on stability for your business.
[02:26] <InFlames> Aethysius, 'LTS' really says it all 'Long Term Support'
[02:26] <Ari-Yang> @ Aethysius http://askubuntu.com/questions/16366/whats-the-difference-between-a-long-term-support-release-and-a-normal-release
[02:26] <usr13_> GBGames: (Ctrl-Alt-left/right works by default, no matter how many workspaces you have.)
[02:26] <Ari-Yang> read answer with 45 votes
[02:26] <GBGames> usr13_: It used to work in the last version of Ubuntu I had installed, too. B-)
[02:27] <detvarejeg> ubuntu 12.10 is one fu-k-n- bug
[02:27] <Ari-Yang> detvarejeg, I'm on 12.10 and everything is fine.....
[02:27] <James_Epp> detvarejeg: I concur.
[02:27] <InFlames> can anyone help me figure out why my ubuntu partition doesn't read on my mac>
[02:27] <Ari-Yang> @ GBGames http://imageshack.us/a/img541/3417/mydesktoprx.png my DE
[02:27] <Ari-Yang> ...little off topic >__>
[02:28] <InFlames> rEFIt can see it, but not grub
[02:28] <Ari-Yang> that's E (enlightenment)
[02:28] <GBGames> Ari-Yang: Nice.
[02:28] <Ari-Yang> /close off-topic
[02:28] <Ari-Yang> :b
[02:30] <pepee> hmm, what's adept manager?
[02:32] <pepee> I'm trying to upgrade my system from quantal...
[02:33] <beethoven8201> is there something like hamachi that's open source?
[02:33] <beethoven8201> (hamachi): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamachi_(software)
[02:33] <Ben64> beethoven8201: openvpn
[02:34] <[deXter]> beethoven8201, Wippien
[02:34] <beethoven8201> openvpn requires you to punch a hole in the router right?
[02:34] <[deXter]> There's also tinc
[02:34] <James_Epp> beethoven8201: openvpn is extremely simple with pfsense
[02:34] <beethoven8201> nice [deXter] thanks
[02:35] <beethoven8201> looks like Wippien is what I wanted
[02:35] <James_Epp> usr13_: I seemed to have fixed my kernel issues, but now I am receiving this: http://imgur.com/vPiIm2h
[02:36] <James_Epp> I have this under my /etc/exports : (ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
[02:43] <pepee> heh, adept is/was some old KDE app...
[02:44] <TheRedDragon> Good evening
[02:44] <jilebedev> Hi hi - I've suspended a job with C-z. It's still running - I can `pgrep` or `ps aux | grep ` for it. However, `jobs` doesn't list it. How do I attach back to it? If it's any use, the program is w3m. It even showed me a neat little "Suspended" message when I pressed C-z.
[02:45] <pepee> jilebedev, fg
[02:45] <pepee> bg for background
[02:45] <kvothetech> you suspended your window manager? lol fg will resume or should
[02:45] <kvothetech> er pepee beat me to it
[02:45] <jilebedev> pepee: thanks, figured it out. already knew how to manipulate jobs - fg/bg/jobs.
[02:45] <pepee> np
[02:46] <jilebedev> No, I loaded a single tty, then ran w3m within it. needed more shells, so I suspended w3m, started tmux, and listed jobs. 'course, jobs returned nothing because I didn't suspend anything from that shell. I detached from tmux and ran jobs -- sure enough, w3m's still there. Lesson learned - jobs are shell-dependent.
[02:49] <antares_icela> i can speak little english,
[02:50] <GBGames> AHAH! gconf-editor > apps > metacity >workspace_switcher_keyboard_cycle allows me to switch between workspaces using just CTRL+ALT + left and right and not up/down.
[02:50] <GBGames> Woo!
[02:53] <Bradford> :P
[02:56] <James_Epp> How do you mount an nfs location in ubuntu 12.04? Mine does not appear to be working
[02:56] <pepee> antares_icela, hablas español?
[02:57] <James_Epp> sudo mount 192.168.1.15:/var/lib/tftpboot/0 /mnt/derp                  does not work. It says 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock'
[02:57] <usr13_> James_Epp: Change ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check  to just  nolock,ro
[02:58] <James_Epp> usr13_: TY
[02:58] <usr13_> James_Epp: Does it need to be ro?
[02:58] <usr13_> I just use nolock,users,rw on mine.
[02:58] <James_Epp> usr13_: I think the clients may do weird things if they had write access. :P
[02:58] <James_Epp> users? What does that one do?
[02:59] <usr13_> James_Epp: Ok, well  you probably don't need write access anyway.
[02:59] <James_Epp> usr13_: When I rebooted NFS, it says it doesn't understand nolock
[03:00] <usr13_> James_Epp: The whole line should look something like this:
[03:01] <usr13_> James_Epp: Oh yea, the exports file.  all you need is (ro)  nothing more.
[03:01] <James_Epp> usr13_: I booted with just (ro) and now I have 'NFS over TCP not available from <SERVER_IP>'
[03:02] <usr13_> James_Epp: /home/james/files 192.168.0.0/24(ro)
[03:02] <James_Epp> usr13_: I am doing PxE booting btw
[03:03] <usr13_> 192.168.0.0/24(ro,sync,insecure,all_squash)
[03:04] <rullie> hey guys, i'm using vsftpd, i can create directories and delete files, but for the life of me i cannot upload... Any idea?
[03:04] <rullie> through ftp, of course
[03:05] <usr13_> rullie: I use proftpd
[03:05] <James_Epp> usr13_: After I restarted after applying that change, the terminal said it was going to assume no_subtree_check
[03:05] <c_smith> Hey, I am looking to record a broadcast on the net while I'm in class tomorrow on my desktop (the program is Google IO, if anyone is wondering) and need to have it done entirely automated aside from the initial configuration as I won't be in front of my desktop when in class, is there a way to do this, like one would do in DVR devices, but I choose the video container, etc?
[03:05] <usr13_> rullie: But:  https://security.appspot.com/vsftpd/vsftpd_conf.html
[03:06] <James_Epp> usr13_: Now I am getting 'mount call failed - server replied: Permission denied.'
[03:07] <yofun> i get  "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.'" when i try to run screen
[03:07] <James_Epp> my pxelinux.cfg/default is as such: APPEND boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168..15:/var/lib/tftpboot/0/ubuntu2 initrd=0/ubuntu2/initrd.lz
[03:07] <usr13_> rullie: Check that you have write_enable=YES in your vsftpd.conf
[03:07] <James_Epp> Do I require more parameters for nfs?
[03:07] <rullie> usr13_: it is YES
[03:08] <rullie> note i can delete file and create directories
[03:08] <James_Epp> rullie: On the local machine, whom owns the folders you are trying to upload to?
[03:08] <James_Epp> It is a different user than the one who you are trying to connect to? (ex. root)
[03:08] <James_Epp> Is it*
[03:09] <rullie> James_Epp: nobody, but i have group write permission on the folder and the ftp user belongs to that group
[03:09] <usr13_> James_Epp: What does ls -l /var/lib/???/???/ubuntu  say?
[03:10] <usr13_> rullie: Has it been restarted since it's said YES?
[03:10] <James_Epp> usr13_: Everything is owned by root.
[03:10] <rullie> usr13_: oh yeah, many times
[03:10] <rullie> i'm almost doubting my ftp client now... hmm
[03:10] <rullie> let me try a different one
[03:10] <James_Epp> rullie: I have sometimes had issue as to whether I am using passive mode or not. Try the 'ftp' utility in the terminal.
[03:11] <rullie> James_Epp: the client is mac
[03:11] <James_Epp> rullie: It should still have the utility
[03:11] <rullie> yeah
[03:11] <James_Epp> Even windows has one :P
[03:12] <usr13_> rullie: The user has to also match, (have ownership / group privileges) as well.
[03:12] <rullie> I was able to create a folder through ftp, but unable to upload to that folder
[03:12] <rullie> which kinda tells me it's not a file level permission problem
[03:12] <rullie> but i'm not too familiar with ftp, so iuno
[03:13] <rullie> context: i'm trying to get wordpress to work :/ and it needs a ftp going for it to update itself
[03:13] <rullie> if you ask me that's retarded
[03:13] <usr13_> rullie: Just use proftpd
[03:13] <James_Epp> usr13_: I'm not getting anywhere. Is it a 'root' ownership issue? It couldn't be, could it?
[03:13] <rullie> usr13_: i am now.  but that doesn't seem to solving any problem
[03:14] <rullie> usr13_: any config i should watch out for?
[03:14] <usr13_> James_Epp: What does ls -l /var/lib/???/???/ubuntu  say?
[03:14] <James_Epp> I responded earlier: It is owned by root
[03:14] <James_Epp> rullie: Look at gproftpd
[03:14] <fractaline> man, i'm feeling totally overwhelmed with the countless options for linux distros, de's etc...
[03:14] <rullie> James_Epp: this is headless ubuntu
[03:14] <James_Epp> If I ever make an ftp server in linux, it is what I am going to use
[03:14] <James_Epp> nvm :D
[03:14] <rullie> James_Epp: :)
[03:15] <caes> shouts if you love ubuntu
[03:15] <usr13_> James_Epp: Does it look like this:  drwxr-xr-x  ?
[03:15]  * James_Epp meows
[03:15] <James_Epp> no.
[03:15] <James_Epp> Lots of variations. Should I do a chmod of stuff? if so, to what?
[03:15] <fractaline> i know there is no simple answer to "what's best"
[03:17] <fractaline> i've been told to just stick with one to get to know it rather than trying out many different ones
[03:17] <caes> anybody running visual studio with wine?
[03:17] <caes> or itunes for that matter
[03:18] <caes> playonlinux, etc...
[03:19] <James_Epp> caes: I would suggest you look into the #winehq channel
[03:19] <usr13_> James_Epp 755
[03:19] <James_Epp> what command is that? chmod 755 -R *    ?
[03:19] <usr13_> James_Epp: chmod 755 /var/lib/???  No, just the directory.
[03:19] <fractaline> still i can't help but to ask ...... what would you all recommend?
[03:19] <caes> thanks James
[03:20] <fractaline> maybe that's a stupid question in the ubuntu channel    :/
[03:20] <usr13_> James_Epp: 755 for directories and 644 for files
[03:21] <James_Epp> Wouldn't that require me doing all of those manually?
[03:22] <c_smith> James_Epp, not if you do it recursively (with the -R flag) on the topmost directory holding them
[03:22] <c_smith> but it's more risky doing it the way I proposed
[03:22] <fractaline> i just dislike windows so much
[03:22] <usr13_> fractaline: feeling overwhelmed is normal when there are thousands to choose from.
[03:22] <fractaline> ^^
[03:22] <c_smith> fractaline, you and I both, lol
[03:23] <c_smith> especially Vista8
[03:23] <c_smith> and Vista, for that matter
[03:23] <James_Epp> fractaline: I use Ubuntu on my main computer at home. I use xubuntu on my netbook and my portable hard drive.
[03:23] <fractaline> oh man... 8 is bad
[03:23]  * c_smith wonders if he should repeat his original question or continue to wait as it hasn't been super long
[03:23] <fractaline> what a waste of resources
[03:24]  * James_Epp thinks c_smith should
[03:24] <usr13_> fractaline: A major difference is package management. And Ubuntu has the most sophistocated and easiest to use package management system.
[03:24] <c_smith> Hey, I am looking to record a broadcast on the net while I'm in class tomorrow on my desktop (the program is Google IO, if anyone is wondering) and need to have it done entirely automated aside from the initial configuration as I won't be in front of my desktop when in class, is there a way to do this, like one would do in DVR devices, but I choose the video container, etc?
[03:24] <fractaline> true that
[03:24] <c_smith> gotta love the up arrow key
[03:24] <caes> make sure you have >1.5 gb RAM and at least more than 256 vid mem
[03:24] <caes> if you run ubuntu
[03:24] <c_smith> usr13_, which it mainly inherited from Debian.
[03:24] <usr13_> fractaline: Next question is Desktop Environment, (which one to use) (ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu lubuntu ...)
[03:25] <fractaline> that is right
[03:25] <James_Epp> caes: My test server only has 1GB and it's DDR :) Unity runs........kind of. It's not windows 8 terrible, but it can be choppy :P
[03:25] <c_smith> or GNOME if you're crazy like me, lol
[03:25] <caes> yeah they need to up the recommended memory.
[03:25] <fractaline> i'm using unity now.. i used gnome on mint
[03:25] <caes> ubuntu is kewl but expensive
[03:26] <usr13_> fractaline: It all depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it.  Do you want to have ease of use, or do you want to get your hands dirty...
[03:26] <fractaline> a little of both really
[03:26] <c_smith> caes, if you think Ubuntu is resource-hungry, look at PCLinuxOS Full Monty Edition
[03:26] <fractaline> i'm a sucker for flashy gui
[03:27] <usr13_> fractaline: From the I-want-easy end to the let's-get-hard-core, it looks like    Ubuntu - LFS
[03:27] <c_smith> usr13_, replace LFS with Gentoo and you have it correct.
[03:27] <James_Epp> Fractaline: You may want to take a look at the following: LinuxMint, ZorinOS, Kubuntu
[03:28] <Ben64> be aware that mint and zorin are not supported here
[03:28] <James_Epp> very true.
[03:28] <James_Epp> usr13_: BTW, no change after those chmods
[03:28] <c_smith> fractaline, though it's not at all hard to find the proper support channels for those distros.
[03:28] <c_smith> hell, if all else fails, try #linuxdistrocommunity
[03:28] <usr13_> fractaline: If you're in it for the learning experience, you might want to do some distro hopping.
[03:29] <fractaline> i think i should
[03:29] <c_smith> Oh, AMD, why do you have to not support the 3.9 kernel?
[03:29] <c_smith> or x.org 1.14
[03:29] <fractaline> i became pretty interested from android
[03:30] <fractaline> and have been trying to transfer some of that expirience to my pc
[03:30] <c_smith> fractaline, the main user friendly distros I know of are PCLinuxOS (though it's slightly behind for stability) Ubuntu + derivitives, openSUSE (but not as much as other distros on this list) and LinuxLite.
[03:31] <BlackWeb> I'm currently using Ubuntu Server 12.04, Which it use to WOL, But then did a update and it killed the WOL function, Which I have the correct entries in /etc/rc.local & ethtool eth0 shows that its enabled but still nothing Does anyone have any IDeas?
[03:32] <caes> bbl
[03:32] <fractaline> open suse was to be my next challenge
[03:33] <c_smith> wow..... I figured out the broadcast is on Youtube (the Google IO broadcast) now to see if it's posted for viewing later....
[03:34] <lazers> BlackWeb: Have you tried turning it off and on again? Do "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" and reboot gracefully. I dunno if this will work though. I always can't wol machines up if they don't turn off properly.
[03:34] <c_smith> looks like it is, so no seperate program needed! :D
[03:35] <James_Epp> usr13_: OMG. I derped the ultimate herp while doing this.......
[03:35] <James_Epp> I don't even want to say. But I am obliged to. my etc/exports had 192.168.0.0, not 192.168.1.0 >.< there is two hours wasted.
[03:37] <c_smith> James_Epp, ah, but that is the process of learning! :D
[03:37] <James_Epp> FML
[03:38] <c_smith> James_Epp, don't blame yourself for a mistake, seriously, it does no good.
[03:38] <c_smith> simply learn from it and move on.
[03:38] <BlackWeb> lazers:  Ya its weird when i do ethtool eth0 then it shows "Supports Wake-on: pumb ;  Wake-on: g "  & the bios is set correctly also, Mainly just did a update & it effected it some how the updated packages are related to dns, Almost about to just re install the system and Be very wary of any update?
[03:38] <Waffs> Hey If I want to install ubuntu to run off my 16gb flashdrive and use it between many computers should I download the 12.04 LTS for x32?
[03:38] <c_smith> Waffs, just use the liveCD
[03:39] <James_Epp> But now, once I get ubuntu loaded off of the NFS server, it gives me the 'The system is running low-graphics mode' jingle. Maybe I'll just try a real computer.
[03:39] <c_smith> which can be put on a flash drive
[03:39] <Waffs> Does that have persistant storage?
[03:39] <[deXter]> Waffs, Yeah you can do that, but don't install it, just create a persistent live USB using Unetbootin or similar.
[03:39] <c_smith> Waffs, sadly no
[03:39] <c_smith> not on programs and whatnot
[03:40] <c_smith> only personal files if I recall correctly
[03:40] <Waffs> deXter, I should use the said ISo and use unetbootin to make it live?
[03:40] <[deXter]> Waffs, yep
[03:40] <lazers> BlackWeb: Erm. One thing can be toggled off -- Don't let that make you reinstall the whole thing. It could be one OMG stupid feature/trick/solution.
[03:40] <Waffs> C_smith, thanks for that tip but I need persistant storage with apps and waht not
[03:40] <Waffs> Thanks deXter
[03:40] <c_smith> then a flash drive isn't what you want.
[03:41] <c_smith> you want a external hard disk
[03:41] <c_smith> more storage, and it's built to have multiple partitions, something that a flash drive wasn't built for, plus you'll burn out the flash drive quick.
[03:42] <Waffs> c_smith, I don't have a spare external hdd laying around :(.
[03:43] <James_Epp> usr13_: I GOT IT. AWWWW YEAH. Took an old Dell Workstation and booted straight into it. Me be so happy. Time to update my documentation!
[03:43] <c_smith> Waffs, but what you're looking for, be sure to expect problems, as an OS is meant to be installed on one PC and not moved around like you want
[03:43] <[deXter]> Modern flash drives have fairly decent wear-leveling, and provided the drive is large enough (at least 40% more free space than installed OS+apps) then write amplification isn't an issue. It should easily last the lifetime on an LTS release.
[03:43] <BlackWeb> Lazers: Ya I've googled around and searched, But to no luck.   I have "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" inside of my /etc/rc.local file,  I have "ethernet-wol g" inside of /etc/network/interfaces & ya no luck, its a small bug thats kinda been irritating, But ya before that the server worked fine for 9 months no problems
[03:43] <c_smith> you'll have parts where you lack the driver and vice-versa
[03:44] <[deXter]> Waffs, As long as you don't install any proprietary (restricted) drivers, you'll be fine.
[03:44] <lazers> BlackWeb: Any error message? Anything to work with?
[03:44]  * c_smith goes off to watch Halo Forward Unto Dawn
[03:44] <Waffs> Thanks for the help guys. Its very much appreciated
[03:45] <Aktiffisus> hi good nigth every body
[03:45] <Aktiffisus>  i need some help
[03:45] <Aktiffisus> i am noob on ubuntu
[03:46] <kvothetech> Aktiffisus: what you need help with
[03:46] <BlackWeb> lazers:  Not really, I have it up and running now if you want me to try anything, The weird thing is also, after the update then sometimes the server would come up without bring up the network interface, So I reinstalled the network driver and that seemed to fix that
[03:47] <BlackWeb> lazers:   Heres my device Realtek Semiconductor co   RTL8111/8168B
[03:47] <Aktiffisus> hi kvotetech first ii want to have my system safe and plain install antivirus for unices or something like that because i interact whith too many computers whith windows and dont want to infect them
[03:47] <lazers> BlackWeb: Erm. I only have "post-up /sbin/ethtool -s $IFACE wol g" and "post-down /sbin/ethtool -s $IFACE wol g" in my /etc/network/interfaces and that seems to do the trick for me.
[03:48] <Aktiffisus> and dont want have a infection on ubuntu i know are low probable but all in this world is posible
[03:48] <Aktiffisus> Any security product who detects thearts for windows and linux?
[03:48] <Ari-Yang> Aktiffisus, you don't need antivirus for linux
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> !av
[03:49] <fractaline> has anyone used cairo dock and found it to cause instability?
[03:49] <Ari-Yang> tbh, I don't think you need antivirus for any unix based system, afk
[03:49] <BlackWeb> lazers:   so in /etc/network/interface    under:   auto eth0     Add:    "post-up /sbin/ethtool -s  eth0 wol g"  ;   post-down /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 wol g"
[03:50] <th0r> Aktiffisus, check clamav...it is what you want
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> though, is there a command to check and see that there aren't any viruses on ubuntu?
[03:50] <Ari-Yang> * terminal command
[03:50] <lazers> BlackWeb: Yup. I wonder if you upgraded -- Maybe non-free firmwares are not included?
[03:51] <Aktiffisus> I see in one article unices can be infected by rootkits because thats my worrie
[03:51] <kvothetech> Ari-Yang: you can use clamav but really shouldn't have to use any as you said
[03:51] <lazers> BlackWeb: Wild guess. Add tha. Turn it off. And see if that work -- Otherwise, I do not know. :|
[03:51] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[03:52] <Ari-Yang> unless you're just too paranoid lol which I'm not with linux.... on the other hand with windows, I am cautious :b afk
[03:52] <kvothetech> akiml_: rkhunter and chkroot or whatever are anti rootkit systems though using basic precautions and you should be fine
[03:52] <kvothetech> er Aktiffisus above was for you
[03:52] <tinymontgomerysa> second vote for clamav and also for not really needing antivirus
[03:54] <Aktiffisus> sorry
[03:54] <Aktiffisus> diid you read me?
[03:54] <BlackWeb> lazers:  Alright I'll make the changes to it now,   & then have to wait for a file transfer to complete to test it out,  thanks for the input, Crossing my Fingers :)
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: theres rootkithunter to hunt for rootkits on your system
[03:54] <Aktiffisus> you tell me i dont need antivirus on linux
[03:54] <lazers> BlackWeb: No problem. I hope this work too. :)
[03:55] <Aktiffisus> sorry iits my first day and i go for the chanel and excuse me i am too slow
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> !security | Ari-Yang
[03:55] <Aktiffisus> i dont english native
[03:55] <Aktiffisus> i am still reading whith too much atention
[03:57] <kvothetech> Aktiffisus: yes
[03:57] <Aktiffisus> i will read and comeback for anothercuestions
[03:57] <Aktiffisus> i try to install ubuntu well
[03:58] <Aktiffisus> i try another rarethings before and chrash system
[03:58] <Aktiffisus> jeje
[03:58] <Aktiffisus> oh and thank you to all i will read
[03:59] <robert> is lightdm installed by default using the minimal cd?
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> robert, You have a choice of de.
[04:00] <wallzero> Does anyone have experience with Secureboot? With secure boot enabled, I can boot the live disk but not my OS after install
[04:01] <Aktiffisus> wow too much documentation
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> !uefi wallzero have you looked here
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | wallzero have you looked here
[04:06] <Aktiffisus> wait a second and comeback
[04:06] <vico> ola
[04:07] <vico> hablan español ?
[04:07] <somsip> !es | vico
[04:08] <vico> ok
[04:14] <switching> hey all! got ubuntu up and running :)
[04:15] <switching> quick question: what happened to the built-in messenger in ubuntu?
[04:16] <mapreduce> Hi.  Is the 'install Ubuntu from Windows' feature known to result in a less stable installation in some way?
[04:17] <Aspire-Revo-User> mapreduce: Doesn't with with EUFI
[04:17] <switching> mapreduce are you talking about wubi?
[04:17] <Aspire-Revo-User> but it works on some systems.
[04:17] <mapreduce> switching: Yes.
[04:17] <switching> mapreduce because I am running within wubi right now
[04:17] <switching> no issues
[04:17] <mapreduce> So more likely to be device drivers..
[04:17] <switching> what?
[04:18] <mapreduce> I find that Ubuntu freezes completely after a while.
[04:19] <Aspire-Revo-User> Mate doesnt
[04:19] <mapreduce> I've actually had the same from Mate.
[04:19] <switching> mapreduce strange
[04:19] <mapreduce> Windows on the same machine works great (but valgrind doesn't run on Windows, so..)
[04:20] <mapreduce> Can I disable loading the graphics drivers at boot and use some SVGA or similar generic driver?
[04:20] <mapreduce> in case it's that
[04:21] <carlisle_> hi im trying to get serial redirection working, i have it working with grub but i can't get a tty to spawn on the same serial port that grub uses, i followed these instructions and no luck: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenCompute
[04:21] <carlisle_> any ideas?
[04:26] <blenderman> i have an ubuntu desktop and i want to set it up to be a secure vnc server
[04:26] <blenderman> how do i do this?
[04:28] <Aspire-Revo-User> sudo vino-preferences
[04:28] <yofun> hello my site is http://184.171.167.20/ and /etc/apache2/sites-available/default is http://pastebin.com/wjJjquvC why isnt my site showing up. is there a another file overrideing this file?
[04:31] <blenderman> if i just have a secure password
[04:31] <blenderman> is that enough?
[04:31] <Ben64> blenderman: you should tunnel it over ssh
[04:32] <Ben64> yofun: you need to reload the apache config
[04:32] <yofun> eh?
[04:32] <yofun> restart?
[04:33] <yofun> err what is a2ensite ?
[04:33] <yofun> how do i use it?
[04:33] <fractaline> whats the best way to install kde DE?
[04:33] <fractaline> apt-get?
[04:34] <Aspire-Revo-User> sudo apt-get kde-full
[04:35] <fractaline> ah ... thanks      you using it?
[04:35] <Aspire-Revo-User> use to
[04:35] <Aspire-Revo-User> kde is nice but im a mate user
[04:35] <fractaline> i used mate on mint
[04:36] <fractaline> i liked it but things got buggy after a while
[04:37] <fractaline> i'm feeling like it could have been cairo dock
[04:37] <fractaline> that caused problems...
[04:39] <fractaline> has anyone else had issues with cairo dock??
[04:39] <fractaline> i'm a total sucker for flashy gui....
[04:42] <Aktiffisus> hey hi everybody
[04:42] <jda2000> Hi Aktiffisus !
[04:43] <Aktiffisus> i update ubuntu install my graphic card and now i will transfer my files from my old pc with windows
[04:44] <Aktiffisus> i see too many security tools for ubuntu  and i want stay secure i interact whith windows computers and i dont know about the ubuntu funcionament
[04:44] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, Good Luck!
[04:44] <Aktiffisus> jda
[04:44] <Aktiffisus> can you recomend me some security utilities for ubuntu as a exwindows user i feel  neaked whithout security utilities
[04:45] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, You mean like a virus scanner?
[04:45] <Aktiffisus> virus scaner i see you use clam av
[04:45] <Aktiffisus> o many users use clam av
[04:46] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, I've never used any virus scanner.
[04:46] <Aktiffisus> another thing what i have to stay secure on ubuntu  i see too many firewalls  RKhunter and another things like that
[04:48] <Aktiffisus> something to check system integrity or something  who says me if someone atact me whith wi fi or something who alert me vulnerabilities i am noob
[04:48] <Aktiffisus> i dont know about that things
[04:48] <VisCOUS> Heh, sup fellas.
[04:48] <Aktiffisus> jda?
[04:48] <Aktiffisus> Vicious
[04:49] <Aktiffisus> can you say me about security tools for ubuntu
[04:49] <Aktiffisus> omething to check system integrity or something  who says me if someone atact me whith wi fi or something who alert me vulnerabilities i am noob
[04:49] <Aktiffisus> i dont know about that thing
[04:49] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, I don't use a firewall in my box.  I use the one in the router.
[04:49] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, Plus I use encryption with WiFi
[04:49] <Aktiffisus> you dont use another security tool
[04:50] <Aktiffisus> in the router
[04:50] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, No.  Haven't seen the need for it.
[04:50] <VisCOUS> I am pretty new to ubuntu to be honest.
[04:50] <Aktiffisus> i m forced to use wep security because if i use wpk  my family lost internet
[04:51] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, That's what I use because my router is very old.
[04:51] <Aktiffisus> and you dont use another security tool
[04:52] <Aktiffisus> ok if you dont i think i stay secure
[04:52] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, But I can set the WiFi router to talk only to known MAC addresses.
[04:52] <Aktiffisus> yes i have configured in that way
[04:52] <Aktiffisus> another thing
[04:53] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, I've never suspected any viruses.
[04:53] <Aktiffisus> look i see too much users tips and documents and i crash ubuntu when i use it
[04:53] <Aktiffisus> i think you are a experimented user
[04:53] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm doing a bash script, and I can't seem to get the sleep command (near the end) to take a variable value. Can anyone see what's wrong?
[04:53] <Seven_Six_Two> http://pastebin.com/95sBHvi5
[04:53] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, What version of Ubuntu?
[04:53] <Aktiffisus> wait?
[04:53] <Aktiffisus> 12.04
[04:54] <Aktiffisus> LTS 64 bits
[04:54] <Aktiffisus> jda can you hep me whith other thing?
[04:55] <Aktiffisus> i want to monitor my  temperatures and control cpu frecuency
[04:55] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, To go from minutes to seconds you MULTIPLY by 60.
[04:56] <jda2000> Aktiffisus, I don't know how to do that.
[04:56] <ben64_> Aktiffisus: there are lots of things to do that
[04:57] <Aktiffisus> i am noob and i ask  here because
[04:57] <Aktiffisus> i read some documents and incluse some forum entries and always have problems i prefer  the personal consult
[04:57] <Aktiffisus> and human experience
[04:58] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, thanks!
[04:58] <Aktiffisus> Ben can you sugest me one way to see temperature and control cpu frecuency
[04:58] <Seven_Six_Two> and  one more thing... I get this error "/home/fathead/time-lapse: 1: /home/fathead/time-lapse: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "00008+1"" after 8 images, and no more save.
[04:58] <ben64_> Aktiffisus: there should be applets you can add to the bar to do those things
[04:59] <Aktiffisus> im ussing unity and i am nob i dont know how to do
[04:59] <Aktiffisus> and what are a safe applet
[04:59] <VisCOUS> Seven, what language is that in?
[04:59] <ben64_> look in the softwate center Aktiffisus
[04:59] <Seven_Six_Two> bash
[05:00] <VisCOUS> Oh. You mean it's in bash.
[05:00] <Aktiffisus> do you recomend me one?
[05:00] <VisCOUS> Lol
[05:00] <VisCOUS> Cool
[05:00] <netlar> Anyone try to shutdown when there is at least one person logged in?
[05:00] <Aktiffisus> in particular i see psensor to temperatures but dont whow gpu temperature
[05:00] <Aktiffisus> wait
[05:01] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah. a nearly functional script.
[05:01] <Aktiffisus> because that i ask you ben
[05:01] <ben64_> Aktiffisus: i don't use unity
[05:01] <Aktiffisus> ohhh u_u
[05:01] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Numbers starting with zero are octal numbers and it is illegal for them to have an '8'.
[05:01] <netlar> Just curious, becuase I want to report a bug to launchpad
[05:01] <Aktiffisus> i try to use gnome but  some windows crashes or frozen when maximize
[05:02] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, And you should be in #bash
[05:04] <Ben65> Aktiffisus: depends on your gpu, but psensor shows my gpu temp
[05:04] <Aktiffisus> my gpu are ati
[05:04] <VisCOUS> Are bash scripts for use in the ubuntu terminal, or can you run them in python or something?
[05:04] <Aktiffisus> radeon
[05:04] <Ben65> Aktiffisus: i don't use ati
[05:04] <jda2000> VisCOUS, Right in the terminal.
[05:05] <VisCOUS> Huh, cool.
[05:05] <SIFTU> Seven_Six_Two: I think you want to convert minutes into seconds which would be * and not /
[05:05] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Numbers starting with zero are octal numbers and it is illegal for them to have an '8'.
[05:06] <Aktiffisus> Ben jda says me i dont need to use any security tool to ubuntu i trust he but  you use any security tool
[05:06] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, I found that in a search, I'm just not sure where the error is occuring or how to fix it.
[05:07] <Aktiffisus> sorry ben if i am"molesto"
[05:07] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Put in a bunch of echos until you know where the problem is.
[05:08] <SIFTU> Seven_Six_Two: or set +x
[05:08] <Seven_Six_Two> +x? the script is already executable
[05:08] <jda2000> CU
[05:08] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, I'll give it a shot. later.
[05:09] <SIFTU> Seven_Six_Two: it doesnt make it executable, it will trace it
[05:09] <SIFTU> Seven_Six_Two: man set
[05:09] <Seven_Six_Two> no manual entry for set
[05:09] <kaushal> Hi
[05:09] <Ben64> Aktiffisus: the security tool i use is "common sense"
[05:10] <Seven_Six_Two> likely bash builtin?
[05:10] <kaushal> How do i focus pidgin window on Ubuntu 13.04 raring running unity whenever any buddy contact me?
[05:10] <sendaljepit> ask All :)
[05:10] <Aktiffisus> Finally some one knows about one alternative to one note from microsoft?
[05:11] <Aktiffisus> i dont find any similar to linux
[05:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Aktiffisus, I use nixnote
[05:11] <SIFTU> Seven_Six_Two: hmm why are you using /bin/sh?
[05:11] <Seven_Six_Two> SIFTU, habit.
[05:11] <Aktiffisus> it dont comes on spanish
[05:11] <Aktiffisus> ?
[05:11] <switching> there is a piece of software that contains a number of custom drivers for printers not supported on ubuntu but I cannot remember its name.  anyone know?
[05:11] <Aktiffisus> or something more easy to use i see nix note complicated
[05:12] <Aktiffisus> i feel i am irritating whith my ignorance
[05:12] <Aktiffisus> sorry u_u
[05:13] <sendaljepit> after drop INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD,how is the way to open port ping,ftp,ssh??
[05:13] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Look at line 8 and 31 .    You are going to have to strip leading zeros in your numbers before adding 1 because 00008 is invalid.
[05:14] <Aktiffisus> another alternative to nix note? more easy and preferential on spanish
[05:14] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, The 0000 means it is an octal number (base 8) onl valid digits are 0-7.
[05:14] <sendaljepit> help me pliss
[05:15] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, So when it sees the 8 it doesn't want to do the math.
[05:15] <allure> hi! Getting this error: http://pastebin.com/7LrTPwr9 - and I cant find where to change mailserver.user to mailuserver.virtual_users ... any help?
[05:15] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, that's troubling, because I need the padding...
[05:15] <Aktiffisus> WHAt happen senda
[05:15] <sendaljepit> after drop INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD,how is the way to open port ping,ftp,ssh??
[05:15] <jda2000> Seveas, You can always put it back.
[05:15] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, can I force values to int?
[05:15] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, You can always put it back.
[05:16] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Using $(( )) is about the best you can do.
[05:16] <switching> never mind, it's called turboprint
[05:17] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, but 00008 just won't fly.
[05:17] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, alright. I'm not sure how to strip them, but I'll figure it out. It's likely an easy regex
[05:18] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, sed can do it.    and so can bash.
[05:18] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, thanks. I'm going to try it with bash.
[05:19] <Aktiffisus> someone here uses unity desktop enviroment?
[05:20] <allure> hi! Getting this error: http://pastebin.com/7LrTPwr9 - and I cant find where to change mailserver.user to mailuserver.virtual_users ... any help?
[05:21] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/067
[05:21] <jda2000> Seven_Six_Two, Which you could find via #bash
[05:22] <Aktiffisus> wait a second
[05:31] <elkingrey> I created a launcher icon following some directions online, but now I want to remove an icon, not from the launcher panel. I mean I created an icon with the wrong image, and now it's a duplicate with the real one, so I want to delete it.
[05:31] <VisCOUS> Anyone ever had the ubuntu 12.04LTS window not resize to half the screen when dragged to the corner of the desktop?
[05:32] <Fifo_FreeDOS> Hi, typing here with FreeDOS, but I LOVE Ubuntu 12.04!
[05:33] <VisCOUS> Okay lol
[05:33] <allure> hi! Getting this error: http://pastebin.com/7LrTPwr9 - and I cant find where to change mailserver.user to mailuserver.virtual_users ... any help?
[05:33] <Seven_Six_Two> jda2000, thanks again! I've bookmarked that wiki, and I've used sed for stripping leading 0s. Testing now, and then I will replace ls.Update... sed did the trick! I'm so happy!
[05:33] <ramon> i want to burn a cd but ubuntu does not recognizing the dvd when i put it in...what should i do?
[05:34] <ramon> brasero keep saying replace a disc for a support cd/dvd
[05:45] <onats> hi guys
[05:45] <onats> can anyone point me to a reference private cloud / openstack architecture hardware?
[05:45] <compgeek812> hola
[05:47] <Seven_Six_Two> onats you're looking for a server?
[05:48] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: yes, and trying to understand the minimums. Choosing between going openstack or vmware
[05:48] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, do you want to build your own server?
[05:48] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, you're looking for many cores and much ram.
[05:49] <onats> 6 x 2 cores, 24GB Ram
[05:49] <Ari-Yang> hmm... wonder if there are system requirements for ubuntu 13.04
[05:49] <onats> sorry, 2x 6 cores
[05:49] <makara> hi. My application won't run, says "Unable to locate package libXmu.so.6"
[05:49] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, that's not bad. are you going to run 6 instances?
[05:50] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: well current setup is 6-7 physical machines. i want to move it into a cloud
[05:50] <onats> or i mean a virtualised environment
[05:50] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, that setup would just cover it.
[05:50] <jakemp> none of my other computer appear when I go to the software center and sync
[05:51] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: 2 of these?
[05:51] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, what's the use cases?
[05:51] <onats> I'm reading the docs, and i need one controller, and one compute node?
[05:51] <onats> so that means I'm still lacking a 3rd machine for failover?
[05:51] <Birdo> hey everyone, I'm trying to correctly setup xubuntu here on my Macbook Pro 6-2.  Right now I'm having problems adjusting my screen brightness - apparently the problem is the nvidia driver... I believe my MBP's model has a 330m. How do I install this driver? On the Ubuntu community help wiki it says to just select the recommended nvidia driver in system -> admin -> hardware drivers which I do not see in xfce
[05:52] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, what are you trying to do?
[05:52] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: virtualised environment, with HW failover
[05:52] <onats> so if one machine goes down, services are still running
[05:53] <Birdo> Also, my screen brightness adjusted perfectly when I booted from the livecd, but not after installation
[05:53] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, yes, but what for? Who is using the computers, and what are they doing?
[05:53] <onats> database servers mostly
[05:54] <Seven_Six_Two> for a corporation? 6-7 individuals?
[05:55] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, really it depends on the workload that you need done. if you're running mysql with 100 queries a day, you don't need a dedicated machine. If it's for a corporate network of 1k users, well that's different.
[05:55] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: more of like < 10 individuals.
[05:55] <onats> the hardware setup is causing issues as we're encountering hardware failures.
[05:56] <onats> MSSQL is running btw
[05:56] <onats> oh, can i run windows instances on openstack?
[05:56] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, if it's lightweight use, you could probably offload to EC2
[05:56] <onats> Seven_Six_Two: it has to be in-house.
[05:56] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, I don't know about windows at all...
[05:56] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, you might want to look in to citriz
[05:57] <Seven_Six_Two> *citrix
[05:57] <Ari-Yang> anybody know if this laptop can handle 13.04 (and its kernel)? here are the specs http://sprunge.us/RULD
[05:58] <onats> citrix virtualisation? thats paid also right?
[05:58] <Seven_Six_Two> onats, I think so.
[05:59] <Aktiffisus> hi i have two cuestions
[05:59] <Aktiffisus> more
[05:59] <Aktiffisus> im noob
[05:59] <Aktiffisus> hello verybody again
[06:00] <foobArrrr> I just installed a flash update, and now flash isn't working any more. restarting browser didn't help.
[06:00] <Aktiffisus> doo you recomend me install google chrome 64 bits on ubuntu
[06:01] <Aktiffisus> or how can i install chromium 64 bits for ubuntu?
[06:01] <Ari-Yang> Aktiffisus, I recommend firefox
[06:01] <Ari-Yang> if you insist on chome, I say install chronium.
[06:02] <Aktiffisus> firefox goes a litle slow than chrome
[06:02] <Aktiffisus> how can install 64 bits version of chromium
[06:02] <Aktiffisus> i dont know
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> what do you mean "goes a little slow"?
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> you mean on your computer?
[06:03] <Aktiffisus> the browser chrome goes too fast  but i am interesed in chromium
[06:03] <Aktiffisus> but dont know how to install 64 bits version
[06:04] <Aktiffisus> Can you help me to install chromium 64 bits on ubuntu 64 bits
[06:04] <Ben64> Aktiffisus: if you have 64 bit ubuntu everything you install should be 64 bit
[06:05] <Ari-Yang> Aktiffisus, open up a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[06:05] <Ari-Yang> then type in your password
[06:05] <Ari-Yang> or open up Software-Center and search for chromium
[06:05] <Aktiffisus> ok wait
[06:06] <Ari-Yang> I don't have to wait, I gave you the instructions, now you take your time and go through it.
[06:07] <Aktiffisus> sorry
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> no need to apologize...
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> feel free to ask for help, Aktiffisus.
[06:08] <Aktiffisus> belive me i need too much help
[06:08] <Aktiffisus> im new and i like too much ubuntu
[06:08] <Aktiffisus> and saved my life and my wallet
[06:10] <Aktiffisus> Ary yang while choromium downloads
[06:10] <Aktiffisus> can you recomend me one way to monitor and control frecuency cpu on unity?
[06:10] <Aktiffisus> ubuntu 12.04
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> Aktiffisus, in terminal type sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq
[06:12] <Ari-Yang> or search for indicator-cpufreq in Software-Center
[06:12] <netlar> Is Conky save for 13.04?
[06:12] <netlar> safe*
[06:12] <Ari-Yang> I'm not sure....
[06:13]  * Ari-Yang wonders if 13.04 is safe for his laptop
[06:13] <Ari-Yang> lol
[06:13] <Aktiffisus> For now  d you know about one sensor activity motitor temps  who support ati catalyst?
[06:14] <Ben64> Aktiffisus: try this in terminal - aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature
[06:15] <Aktiffisus> i try p sensors on soft center but i dont see
[06:15] <crypto> hi
[06:16] <Hx2> Strange problem Ive got here: When browsing web pages with lot of graphics and effects, my session just restarts completely closing everything and sendimg me to gdm again for login. ANy clues?
[06:16] <Aktiffisus> ad now i can install p sensors to see the temp rigth Ben?
[06:16] <Ben64> Aktiffisus: i dont think ati supports that
[06:17] <Aktiffisus> whhat temp indicator must i have to install?
[06:17] <Hx2> any help?
[06:17] <Aktiffisus> i have the driver correctly installed and the 3d aceleration works
[06:17] <Birdo> Ok... added the xorg repositories and nvidia 310.19 drivers and now I have a black screen after the loading screen..... how can I get to a terminal to remove these?
[06:17] <Bodsda_> Hx2: first thought would be to run firefox from a terminal and redirect the output to a file - force the crasha dn then check if any errors were logged
[06:18] <Aktiffisus> but dont know how to see all the temps
[06:18] <Aktiffisus> another alternative to p sensors who supports ati
[06:18] <Hx2> Bodsa: Nice suggestion.
[06:19] <Bodsda_> Aktiffisus: anything in tghe ati control panel thing?
[06:19] <Aktiffisus> yes i see the ati manager in my plications
[06:19] <Bodsda_> Birdo: similar to this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310/+bug/1093376
[06:19] <Aktiffisus> and glx and glxgears shows it works
[06:20] <Aktiffisus> before (too much time) i install a sensor who detects ati but dont remember that
[06:20] <Aktiffisus> that indicator appears on the upper panel
[06:20] <Aktiffisus> and supports ati
[06:20] <Ari-Yang> Aktiffisus, are you using fglrx?
[06:21] <Aktiffisus> fglrx
[06:21] <Ari-Yang> because if you are, to be honest I don't recommend them, they're horrible :/
[06:21] <Aktiffisus> yes
[06:21] <Ari-Yang> but if it's working out just fine for you, okay....
[06:22] <Aktiffisus> i try  the drivers provided for ubuntu but no one works for me
[06:22] <Aktiffisus> all says AMD not suported
[06:22] <Birdo> Bodsda_: Possibly... I just have no idea what to do now that after my loading screen everything goes black.
[06:23] <Birdo> Bodsda_: Will I have to reinstall ?
[06:23] <Ari-Yang> reinstall firefox you mean?
[06:23] <Ari-Yang> perhaps....
[06:23] <Aktiffisus> yes   are fglrx
[06:23] <Aktiffisus> and i know one sensor detects fglrx temp gpu
[06:23] <Aktiffisus> but dont remember
[06:24] <rtcg72a> how can I fix mathematica being not able to play sounds?
[06:24] <Hx2> Bodsa: Doesnt log anything, rarely happened, tried again, didnt happen. Ive already looked the log files. ANy specific log to verify? I mean but is that even possible a web viewing ff crashing the whole session?
[06:24] <Bodsda_> Birdo: no - first thing to do is to boot in single user mode and regenerate your xorg.conf with nvidia-settings
[06:24] <Aktiffisus> ok  i dont insist whith ati gpu temp
[06:25] <Aktiffisus> i will ask you another thing
[06:25] <Birdo> I just don't understand why the nvidia drivers seem to work perfectly from the Live CD (I can adjust brightness, etc), but when after I install ubuntu, I can't adjust brightness and it's apparently the drivers fault.
[06:25] <Aktiffisus> i want to upgrade libre office to lastest version
[06:25] <Bodsda_> Birdo: are you sure the livecd was using the 310 driver and not the open source driver?
[06:26] <Birdo> Bodsda_: I'm not sure. Either way, why doesn't it translate to after install? I expected everything to work out of the box since the Live CD did.
[06:27] <Hx2> Bodsda: Doesnt log anything, rarely happened, tried again, didnt happen. Ive already looked the log files. ANy specific log to verify? I mean but is that even possible a web viewing ff crashing the whole session?
[06:27] <Bodsda_> Birdo: I'm assuming the livecd was using the open source driver, and so was your install - after that you installed the proprietary driver and are having issues - can you get to any sort of command prompt?
[06:28] <Bodsda_> Hx2: sure, unlikely but could happen - what DE are you using, unity
[06:28] <Bodsda_> ?
[06:28] <Hx2> happens with unity and gnome 3.8
[06:28] <Hx2> ubuntu 13.04
[06:28] <Birdo> Bodsda_: I really have no idea how I can.
[06:29] <Birdo> Bodsda_: You can't from the grub menu, can you?
[06:29] <Hx2> Bodsda: happen with unity  and gnome 3.8 . Ubuntu 13.04
[06:29] <Ben64> Birdo: you can
[06:29] <Bodsda_> Birdo: there should be an option for single user mode in the grub list when you boot
[06:29] <Ben64> Birdo: or try CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:29] <Bodsda_> Hx2: sounds like a hardware problem - has it ever happened when using a different browser?
[06:30] <Hx2> Bodsda: nop. Just happened this night with a specific site
[06:30] <Bodsda_> Hx2: reproducable on that site?
[06:31] <Hx2> Bodsda: Last time i tried didnt happen but tried like 8 times and always happened.  Maybe a video driver problem?
[06:31] <elkingrey> .
[06:31] <Hx2> Bodsda: This is ATI.
[06:31] <Bodsda_> Hx2: thats what I'm thinking
[06:32] <Bodsda_> Hx2: unlucky :)
[06:32] <Hx2> Bodsda: Yeah, the driver isnt so good like the one for nvidia.
[06:32] <Ari-Yang> why the smile? ^
[06:32] <Bodsda_> Hx2: drop back to the open source driver and test
[06:32] <Ari-Yang> Hx2, are you using open source drivers? or fglrx?
[06:32] <Birdo> Bodsda_: There isn't an option, what I found on the Internet was that I have to edit the boot instructions to boot into single user
[06:32] <Bodsda_> Ari-Yang: sarcasm
[06:32] <Ari-Yang> because fglrx is just garbage
[06:33] <Hx2> Ari-Yang: fglrx
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> yes
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> switch back to open source! O:
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> fglrx is horrible for me too. open source drivers are 100x better
[06:33] <Bodsda_> Birdo: yeah, they used to give you an entry pre configured for it - now you have to hit 'e' and add 'single' to the end of the boot parameters iirc
[06:33] <Hx2> Ari-Yang: No more gaming :( ?  Are you sure OSource drivers are that good? I mean I felt it laggy.
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> Hx2, I don't know =/ you'll have to test. If you don't game that often, maybe you can just simply switch back and forth?
[06:35] <Ari-Yang> if you're a heavy gamer and game often, then maybe you'll just have to stick with fglrx and just deal with whatever bugs you have ;<
[06:36] <Hx2> Ari-Yang: Im recently new to ATI, usually Ill strick with Nvidia. Propietary drivers for ATi are always that bad?
[06:36] <Bodsda_> Hx2: historically, yes
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> yeah, with linux they're bad.
[06:37] <Bodsda_> Hx2: although ATI is getting some attention in the 3.10 kernel release
[06:37] <Ari-Yang> I mean when I was on windows on this laptop, I didn't have any graphical problems at all. I dont' have any graphical problems with the open source drivers on ubuntu
[06:37] <Hx2> Bodsda and Ari-Yang: thank you. Will try the open source driver, thanks.
[06:37] <Ari-Yang> yw, good luck
[06:37] <Bodsda_> +1
[06:39] <Bodsda_> After upgrading to 13.04 mocp no longer works, it hangs on 'Trying ALSA...' - anyone else having this problem? I've tried reinstalling the package from repo's - may have to compile and test
[06:39] <beethoven8201> does anyone have a recommendation for a place to ask for bios unlocking help?
[06:39] <Guest2081> had anyone troubles with vsftpd?
[06:40] <Guest2081> I have one server 12.04lts no problems
[06:40] <Bodsda_> beethoven8201: unlocking as in someone set a bios password and you don't know what it is?
[06:40] <Guest2081> one server 13.04 same config but I cant connect with local users
[06:40] <beethoven8201> Bodsda_: unlocking like functionality in the bios has been hidden away
[06:40] <Bodsda_> beethoven8201: by who? how?
[06:41] <beethoven8201> the provider of my bios does not allow me to control things
[06:41] <beethoven8201> such as the processor stepspeed
[06:41] <beethoven8201> battery usage
[06:41] <beethoven8201> etc
[06:41] <Bodsda_> beethoven8201: only thing you can do is update the bios and hope they provide more config options
[06:42] <beethoven8201> Bodsda_: I've seen some places that mod the bios to unlock it
[06:42] <beethoven8201> e.g. with a hex editor
[06:42] <beethoven8201> i.e. some functionality is not visible due to a simple switch
[06:43] <Bodsda_> beethoven8201: I'm not aware of any user space programs that can interact with the bios - but I may be wrong - you should probably start with overclockers channels/forums
[06:43] <beethoven8201> thanks Bodsda_
[06:43] <beethoven8201> Bodsda_: what's the chan?
[06:43] <Guest2081> but I can connect with anon. user
[06:44] <Bodsda_> beethoven8201: I don't know if there are any on freenode, but these guys are on quakenet http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17886213
[06:45] <beethoven8201> k thx
[06:45] <Ari-Yang> I wonder if ati's proprietary drivers work better on 13.04 than 12.04/12.10
[06:47] <chenqisu> 昂？睡觉去
[06:56] <mac> hy all... my ubuntu 12.04lts with gnome desktop enviorment has malfunctioned on sound card - exactly -> to the problem becomes, when i plug in jack 4 mic  and nothing happens.. no input awailable anymore - > grayness
[07:00] <mac> any1 copy?
[07:00] <mac> !ping
[07:01] <michael_p> hiya
[07:02] <michael_p> lbuntu and xbuntu are the same
[07:02] <Bodsda_> michael_p: no, they're not - and I think you mean lubuntu and xubuntu
[07:04] <michael_p> whats the difference
[07:04] <michael_p> between them both
[07:04] <Bodsda_> michael_p: the main difference is the desktop environment, xubuntu uses xfce and lubuntu uses lxde
[07:05] <allure> if I purge dovecot, delete /etc/dovecot and then reinstall, why wont it get created once again?
[07:05] <michael_p> so the commands are actually the same
[07:06] <Bodsda_> michael_p: yes, they both use bash
[07:07] <michael_p> ok maybe you can help when i view a movie or watch youtube i get sound comming out of one speaker
[07:09] <Bodsda_> michael_p: run 'alsamixer' (without the quotes) and see if any channels are muted, if not then i'd next look at hardware
[07:10] <michael_p> nope nothing is muted
[07:12] <Bodsda_> michael_p: I'd be thinking hardware issue next then
[07:13] <doomlord_> anyone know of an irc client that can auto-switch between channels based on activity
[07:13] <michael_p>  Card: HDA Intel PCH                                  F1:  Help               │
[07:13] <michael_p> │ Chip: Cirrus Logic CS4206
[07:13] <Bodsda_> doomlord_: no, but that's an interesting idea :) I'll look into that thanks
[07:14] <Hx2> How to remove completely ubuntu-desktop.
[07:14] <Hx2> ?
[07:14] <doomlord_> my ideal would be split windows, and it replaces the least active window with any more active offscreen channel ... appart from one locked view
[07:15] <Bodsda_> doomlord_: I sometimes idle in 10 active channels though - auto switching might get annoying
[07:15] <doomlord_> it would have to have a switching threshold.. maybe "activity" is measured as an average over 1 minute, say..
[07:16] <SparkyFlary> anyone know what accounting human resources is?
[07:16] <mac> hy all... my ubuntu 12.04lts with gnome desktop enviorment has malfunctioned on sound card - exactly -> to the problem becomes, when i plug in jack 4 mic  and nothing happens.. no input awailable anymore - > in sound card settings options is all about mic -> gray
[07:17] <beethoven8201> How do I get my Ivy Bridge processor to go into turbo mode in Ubuntu?
[07:17] <Bodsda_> doomlord_: sounds cool - pop me a pm if you ever start developing something
[07:17] <beethoven8201> I tried setting performance, but I am topping out at normal CPU
[07:20] <hero100> this is my problem. Ping computer B from computer A, no problem. there is no open port when scanning open ports of computer B from computer A. So I can't ssh to computer B from computer A. How can I check what the problem really is?
[07:21] <Hx2> Is there any way to get a ubuntu installation to its original form?
[07:21] <Hx2> without reinstalling
[07:22] <maui> hi
[07:22] <maui> im noob\
[07:22] <Ben64> Hx2: original = fresh install... so why not reinstall?
[07:22] <maui> i dont know how to search in mozilla
[07:22] <maui> for example,in windows, i press ctrl and f\
[07:22] <Ben64> maui: still ctrl+f
[07:22] <maui> and immediately i get the search pane\
[07:30] <qdb> hello. how to check http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS.sign ?
[07:30] <MonkeyDust> qdb  better ask in the debian channel
[07:30] <qdb> MonkeyDust, i am now sitting in ubuntu
[07:31] <michael_p> i am using i mac 27
[07:31] <zenergi> is there a way to specify which NIC to use when you have 2? (e.g. how can I ping google.com from the second NIC in a server?)
[07:31] <Ben64> zenergi: you'd have to set routes
[07:32] <zenergi> Ben64: Ahh, so you'd have to hard code specific ranges into the routing table?
[07:32] <maui> does bittorent work on linux?
[07:32] <zenergi> maui: of course
[07:32] <qdb> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-make-use-of-md5sums-sign-file-on-debian-iso-downloads-705981/
[07:33] <Ben64> qdb: again, try #debian
[07:34] <Mrokii> Hello. What could be the reason that on a fresh 13.04 install, almost no app plays any sound? My music player (Guayadeque) plays sound, Firefox plays some event sounds, but no installed browser plays Flash-sounds. VLC doesn't play any sound either.
[07:35] <maui> i can't just install bittorent
[07:35] <maui> and im a noob
[07:35] <maui> so i have to switch to vuze
[07:35] <maui> but there is one software only for windows that i dire need to use in ubuntu...
[07:36] <MonkeyDust> maui  ubuntu has Deluge
[07:37] <maui> deluge for p2p
[07:37] <hellrazor_> they still have bash programmable completion on be default?
[07:37] <hellrazor_> omfg....
[07:38] <hellrazor_> how rertarded can some people be...
[07:42] <maui> i need to use in ubuntu this -> infomagic-extra.sof6976479150tware.informer.com
[07:42] <maui> its developer told me a trick he heard
[07:43] <maui> ''will run on linux via "Wine" windows binary.''
[07:43] <maui> is this true for ubuntu?\
[07:43] <gustav_> maui: Yes.
[07:43] <maui> ok will try it
[07:43] <gustav_> BTW, I'm the Yes Man.
[07:43] <gustav_> lololol
[07:43] <maui> yes
[07:43] <gustav_> jk, it will work.
[07:44] <gustav_> Yes.
[07:44] <maui> yes
[07:44] <gustav_> No.
[07:44] <gustav_> :O
[07:44] <maui> gustav can you go shop a kebab for me in 10 minutes so that I use ubuntu better?\
[07:44] <gustav_> maui: Yes.
[07:44] <gustav_> No, I can't. :P
[07:45] <maui> you said yes\
[07:45] <gustav_> maui: Where do you live?
[07:45] <maui> here
[07:46] <gustav_> Ok, well, I get a kebab and you go get it here.
[07:46] <llutz> please take the nonsense to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:46] <maui> exactly
[07:46] <maui> ok sorry
[07:46] <maui> just working out my angst for using a non windows for first time:)
[07:46] <gustav_> Is there a #psychotherapy?
[07:47] <maui> dunno, I just joined the other channel to find out
[07:47] <gustav_> There is now. xD
[07:47] <maui> yes
[07:47] <gustav_> Yes.
[07:49] <oye> I am facing the same issue with the flash player in Ubuntu as I did in Windows. Audio and video part ways, and video playback it's more of a slideshow. I take for granted it's an ATI problem-to-be-solved.
[07:49] <gustav_> Is there an alphanumeric way to change to an open window in irssi? I have so many windows lol.
[07:50] <MonkeyDust> gustav_  I use irssi, try alt-arrow left or rght
[07:51] <gustav_> MonkeyDust: Yeah but if I want to go to a named channel?
[07:51] <auronandace> gustav_: alt + number
[07:51] <llutz> gustav_: esc+win-no
[07:51] <oye> gustav_: /window (windownumber) like: /window 5
[07:51] <gustav_> Like /j #ubuntu if I'm lost.
[07:51] <gustav_> And irssi can find the windownumber.
[07:52] <llutz> gustav_: /window list
[07:52] <gustav_> Okay.
[07:53] <gustav_> I have to page twice to see all channels.
[07:53] <varun> hi all, how to toggle control from main display to extended display from keyboard ?
[07:56] <dawkirst> Hi guys, without giving a full description of what I'm trying to do I'll just try my luck (maybe this is a common error): when executing a bash script I get a 'dirname: missing operand' and 'basename: missing operand' error. Any ideas?
[07:56] <auronandace> dawkirst: try in #bash
[07:56] <dawkirst> auronandace, ok, thanks.
[07:56] <llutz> dawkirst: man basename, man dirname
[07:57] <llutz> (i'd guess spaces in file-/dirnames, but without details ...)
[07:58] <fractaline> any kde users here?
[07:58] <fractaline> or is there a channel for kde?
[07:59] <llutz> fractaline: #kde or #kubuntu
[07:59] <dawkirst> llutz, thanks. I'll poke around first, then give details :)
[08:00] <fractaline> llutz, thanks
[08:02] <llutz> !mir > llutz
[08:02] <irradicate> suy guys
[08:02] <irradicate> can any one help me?
[08:02] <irradicate> im tring to run league of legends on my ubuntu because i gave up windows
[08:02] <MonkeyDust> irradicate  start with a question
[08:03] <k1l_> !wine | irradicate that is your best chance. but i didnt get it running last time i tried
[08:04] <irradicate> Ok, i got league installed and everything via playonlinux that runs off of wine everything works great until gameplay my screen freezes i hear music still going tho
[08:04] <maui> i dont know how to install winehq ppa so im installing wine straight to  linux
[08:04] <irradicate> !appdb
[08:04] <auronandace> maui: you don't need a ppa, wine is in the repos
[08:04] <k1l_> irradicate: best is to ask the wine guys about that
[08:05] <MonkeyDust> !find wine | maui
[08:05] <irradicate> darn
[08:05] <maui> here i thought it says i need it ->> http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu
[08:05] <auronandace> !repo | maui
[08:06] <maui> define 'package' in....windows terms
[08:06] <auronandace> !software | maui
[08:06] <Mrokii> Can somebody recommend an alternative for that crappy new Nautilus in 13.04?
[08:06] <MonkeyDust> maui  ubuntu has its own software sources, it's called 'repositories' or 'repos' for short
[08:07] <auronandace> maui: in windows it is normal to go anywhere to install packages, in linux you use repositories
[08:07] <_RadioHead> j #miuiandroid
[08:07] <maui> ic auronandace
[08:07] <_RadioHead> sorry
[08:07] <auronandace> maui: whatever is in the repos are tested so that they are known to work, it is usually a bad idea to install things from outside the repos
[08:08] <MonkeyDust> maui  read this http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/32474-a-windows-users-guide-to-linux.html
[08:08] <gustav_> maui: Don't worry. You'll forget Windows in no time.
[08:08] <maui> more reading now
[08:08] <gustav_> maui: Linux has pipes!
[08:08] <oye> Mrokii: KDE.
[08:10] <iDrofox> hello, which is the best mp3 player for ubuntu ?
[08:10] <MonkeyDust> iDrofox  audacious is nice
[08:11] <iDrofox> MonkeyDust: thx i will download it now, rhythmbox is good but crashed when i select lot of songs in one!
[08:17] <Mrokii> iDrofox: Banshee is pretty popular as well, I think. Another one is Clementine. I'm using Guayadeque at the moment.
[08:18] <iDrofox> Mrokii: Thx currently i downloaded  audacious  and trying it.I will try the others too!
[08:19] <derWachert> hi there
[08:19] <derWachert> what is the command line command to show the mouse cursor position? theres a possible binding to the control key but is there also a command avaible to use?
[08:21] <dr_willis> derWachert:  i recall 'xev' but thts not really a commandline app i think.. but it might have options
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> derWachert: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8480073/how-would-i-get-the-current-mouse-coordinates-in-bash
[08:21] <derWachert> i dont need the coordinates
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> derWachert: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bash+get+mouse+position&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a is all I used, nothing fancy
[08:22] <derWachert> theres an setting in the system settings to show the position with a flcikering circlew around the cursor
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> derWachert: do you mean to help find it on the screen?
[08:22] <derWachert> using the control key
[08:22] <derWachert> yes!
[08:22] <Mrokii> oye: I guess I'll give KDE another try as Nautilis is seriously annoying. Which package do I have to install for KDE? I mean, which one is the base package?
[08:22] <derWachert> and i need to activate this, using a command in an bash file
[08:22] <dr_willis> thats a compiz feature.. puts flames around the cursor
[08:23] <dr_willis> theres also some gnome setting i recall that can do  a 'ping' sort of circle around the pointer
[08:23] <maui> when i install a program through the software center of ubuntu, is it not certain that it will go to a repos?
[08:23] <dr_willis> maui:  to a repo? you install packages FROM repos...
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> derWachert: its hard coded too so should work in most distros
[08:23] <llutz> Mrokii: have you tried pcmanfm? would be much lighter than installing all the KDE-stuff just to get a filemanager (konqueror, dolphin)
[08:24] <maui> so its bad idea installing from anywhere except the software center of ubuntu?
[08:24] <Mrokii> llutz: Not sure. I'll take a look, thanks.
[08:24] <MonkeyDust> maui  yes, software center is one way to browse the repos
[08:24] <dr_willis> maui:  theres unofficial ppa's you can use..
[08:24] <derWachert> ActionParsnip, what should work?
[08:24] <Timmy> I have installed ubuntu on one of my partitions and now I am on a live disk to repair that, how can I find out in which partition I have installed ubuntu?
[08:24] <derWachert> the feature is working
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> maui: they all use the same backend so use apt-get if you want, it doesn't matter if you switch between
[08:24] <derWachert> but i need to activate it using a command line command
[08:24]  * maui goes to search repos for ubuntu outside the ubuntu center
[08:24] <dr_willis> maui:  then theres a few cases where you download the .deb package and install it  instead of using a repo/ppa
[08:24] <dr_willis> !repo
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> derWachert: the CTRL key thing to locate mouse pointer on screen
[08:24] <derWachert> yes
[08:24] <derWachert> this works
[08:25] <dr_willis> !ppa | maui
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> maui: if you use PPAs and 3rd party sources then results cannot beguarunteed etc etc
[08:25] <MonkeyDust> maui  if you do that and you ruin your system, you're on your own, non-official sources are not supported
[08:25] <derWachert> the problem: i have a bash script usiong xte to bind a special key what does a mouseclick and press+release the control key
[08:25] <dr_willis> maui:  what software are you looking for?
[08:25] <derWachert> so i click one key and it does two
[08:25] <derWachert> but thats not wirking in html select fields
[08:26] <derWachert> so i would try to start the "control" key effect showing the cursor, using a command line command
[08:26] <derWachert> and not emulating the control key
[08:26] <MonkeyDust> maui  the repos make things safe and easy for the user, why do you want to complicate things?
[08:26] <dr_willis> derWachert:  im not sure gnome has a command to do that...
[08:26] <maui> cause i need to install a windows programme I can't live without
[08:27] <dr_willis> maui:  you dont use ppas for windows apps... you use WINE to install the windows executables
[08:27] <dr_willis> maui:  what app are you refering to exactly?
[08:27] <MonkeyDust> maui  what program would that be?
[08:27] <maui> I downloaded 'wine' but I dont see it on my tab list on the vertical left
[08:27] <maui> infomagic-extra.sof6976479150tware.informer.com is the win programme i need
[08:27] <dr_willis> maui:  because it dosent have a gui
[08:27] <FourFire> Hello
[08:28] <maui> ok no im lost again
[08:28] <dr_willis> maui:  download the windows installer.. then use  'wine whatevertheinstalleriscalled.exe'  to run it in wine
[08:28] <gordonjcp> maui: What's the software you're trying to install?
[08:28] <MonkeyDust> maui  what does the program do?
[08:28] <maui> this program is the pbest program to quote in essays
[08:28] <FourFire> I am a new user of ubuntu, and I would like to know the process of locating and installing drivers for hardware which doesn't work out of the box
[08:28] <maui> a bit of organisation:)
[08:28] <FourFire> Could someone explain how this is done please?
[08:28] <dr_willis> maui:  or if you double click the .exe it may start it in wine automatically
[08:29] <maui> ok dr, wil try that
[08:29] <lazers> FourFire: What hardware?
[08:29] <dr_willis> FourFire:  most of the time you use the 'addational drivers' tool.. but it depends on the hardware
[08:29] <FourFire> A latop touchpad, doesn't rightclick which is annoying
[08:29] <FourFire> (on windows now)
[08:29] <gordonjcp> FourFire: what kind of laptop?
[08:30] <dr_willis> FourFire:  that sounds more like a bug. not a missing driver.
[08:30] <gordonjcp> FourFire: better still, what kind of touchpad?
[08:30] <FourFire> this one http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-probook-4320s-13/4505-3121_7-35295308.html
[08:31] <dr_willis> FourFire:  what ubuntu release are you using?
[08:31] <FourFire> 12.04
[08:31] <maui> no dr.willis, i downloaded wine then the program i want (http://www.factsfacts.com/IMagic/), then clicked on the programm exe but it did not start
[08:31] <maui> brb
[08:31] <dr_willis> maui:  and did it do anything at all?
[08:32] <gordonjcp> maui: what is the program?
[08:32] <maui> http://www.factsfacts.com/IMagic/ is the program
[08:32] <dr_willis> FourFire:  you might want to check askubuntu.com and the forums for that exact make laptop. there may be known work arounds to the issue
[08:32] <gordonjcp> maui: what *is* it though?
[08:33] <maui> windows
[08:33] <gordonjcp> maui: that's just a link to a website
[08:33] <gordonjcp> what does it do?
[08:33] <dr_willis> maui:  i always launch  .exe's via the command line so i can see any error messages...    wine /home/username/path/to/the/windowsname.exe
[08:33] <dr_willis> maui:  and not all windows apps work in wine
[08:34] <maui> http://www.factsfacts.com/IMagic/IMagic32.exe
[08:34] <maui> can u install in your ubuntu and tell me
[08:34] <dr_willis> maui:  you can install it.....  via the command line...
[08:35] <dr_willis> if its in your Downloads directory
[08:35] <thrantir> hi to all
[08:35] <oye_> Why amaroK keeps telling me I need an mp3 decoder, when I actually have it?
[08:35] <dr_willis> cd ~/Downloads
[08:35] <dr_willis> wine IMagic32.exe
[08:35] <thrantir> is there someone skilled on libnetfilter develope?
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> maui: what does the app do?
[08:35] <dr_willis> !terminal > maui
[08:36] <dr_willis> maui:  to get to a terminal go to the 'dash' and type 'terminal' and there should be an icon for it...
[08:36] <dr_willis> or   alt-ctrl-t
[08:38] <MonkeyDust> maui  are you sure there's no linux/ubuntu program that does what you need?
[08:38] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: that's why I asked :)
[08:40] <maui> monkey, i haven't found one
[08:41] <maui> if you know any programm that is similar... to magicinfo
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> maui: what does it do???
[08:41] <maui> i guess i have to search for productivity tools in the repos
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> maui: you can't just say app names and expect people to know every concievable application...
[08:42] <dr_willis> i havent really heard what  magicinfo does....
[08:42] <maui> action, it helps you type in quotes from books, with bibliographic data, and then in one WINDOW you can click and see many of them as you need them
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> maui: what do you need the app to achieve? what is the goal
[08:42] <Aktiffisus> hi i want help whith lmsensors and p sensors
[08:42] <Aktiffisus> please help
[08:42] <maui> to toggle between various quotes i typed and saved
[08:42] <Aktiffisus> and thank you and good nigth for verybodoy
[08:43] <maui> for example, in xchat, i can toggle between channels
[08:43] <maui> and private chats
[08:43] <dr_willis> cant say ive needed to do a term paper... in decades... ;P
[08:43] <maui> but i dont need to use any irc convos in an essay:)
[08:43] <dr_willis> so it just shows    referances for your papers. in doffernt formats..
[08:44] <maui> it allows me to type in and save different quotes. <then it allows me to toggle between them as i need it
[08:44] <Aktiffisus> hi can you help me i install psensors and dont detect my hdd my fan and my gpu temperature
[08:44] <dr_willis> 'toggle btween them' dosent reallyu make much sence to me...
[08:44] <maui> toggle, no between them:)
[08:44] <Aktiffisus> i install lmsensors too and can see this temperatures on terminal but i want to see in graphical
[08:44] <maui> you can install and use it and see for yourself
[08:45] <Aktiffisus> nobody helps?
[08:45] <dr_willis> silly andchat.. still crashes on nick completion for me all the time.
[08:45] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  help with what?
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: try waiting longer than 60 seconds for an answer
[08:46] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  maybe conky is what you want
[08:47] <Aktiffisus> Willis   the problem are i install p sensors and dont detect the gpu temp, or fan or hd, i install lm sensors and can see that temps on terminal but i want help to see it in graphical interface
[08:47] <Aktiffisus> conky?
[08:47] <dr_willis> theres dozen of hardware monitoring tools in the repos
[08:47] <dr_willis> conky, gkremllm,  several indicator-applets
[08:48] <Aktiffisus> i have to uninstall lmsensors and psensors?
[08:48] <dr_willis> check out 'conky colors' for a nice set of conky config scripts
[08:48] <dr_willis> its at a deviantart web site
[08:48] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  no... those tools USE lmsensors
[08:48] <dr_willis> !sensors
[08:48] <Aktiffisus> if i use conky can remove psensors
[08:48] <dr_willis> no idea what psensors is
[08:49] <dr_willis> !info psensors
[08:49] <dr_willis> most of the tools out there  use lmsensors to get the actual info...
[08:49] <Aktiffisus> but conky helps me to see the temps righth?
[08:49] <llutz> !info psensor
[08:49] <Aktiffisus> i am noob
[08:49] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  time to learn some stuff then i guess...
[08:50] <dr_willis> !info conky
[08:50] <dr_willis> conky is about the most flexiable 'system monitor' out there.
[08:50] <dr_willis> theres most likely several indicator-applets you can install that would show the info in the top right panel area
[08:51] <Aktiffisus> i am using unity it works in unity?
[08:51] <dr_willis> conky works in unity.. as does gkrellm, and indicator-applets are part of unity.... so yes to all
[08:51] <dr_willis> !info gkrellm
[08:52] <dr_willis> then theres various docks that can give you a panel of widgits to display info.. or even have widgits on the desktop
[08:52]  * maui located and started the ...<terminal>
[08:52] <dr_willis> depends on how you want to see the info.
[08:53] <sandeep> hi
[08:53] <Aktiffisus> excuse me
[08:53] <Aktiffisus> i am too slow for english
[08:53] <sandeep> Yes
[08:53] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  try installing and running gkrellm - its a handy little tool thats easy to use.
[08:53] <Guest11874> k
[08:53] <Guest11874> okay
[08:54] <Aktiffisus> how to
[08:54] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get install
[08:54] <dr_willis> !info gkrellm
[08:54] <dr_willis> the 'source' the bot says is the package name to use...
[08:55] <dr_willis> so    sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[08:55] <dr_willis> there might be extra gkrellm plugins also in the repos.
[08:55] <dr_willis> so    sudo apt-get install gkrellm<tab>    may show other packages you may want
[08:56] <maui> I can't do the line for 'cd - downloads'
[08:56] <maui> oh great:/
[08:56] <dr_willis> maui:  it was cd ~/Downloads
[08:56] <dr_willis> or just 'cd Downloads'
[08:56] <maui> cd ~/Downloads
[08:56] <dr_willis> maui:  and CASE matters in linux
[08:57] <maui> no such file or directory:)
[08:57] <sonofzeus> Hello
[08:57] <dr_willis> maui:  check your spelling and path..       cd /home/yourusername/Downloads     should also work... with YOUR username
[08:58] <Ashael> יקךךם
[08:58] <Ashael> hello
[08:58] <sonofzeus> I opened the file "/etc/fstab" and added this line tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0 according to this guide over here : http://www.itsecurity.com/features/ubuntu-secure-install-resource/
[08:58] <maui> must reboot in english i think
[08:58] <Aktiffisus> srry for the delay wilis
[08:59] <MonkeyDust> !hebrew
[08:59] <Aktiffisus> but that app only whos cpu usage and disk usage
[08:59] <sonofzeus> and i've read somewhere that that makes chrome dysfunctional
[08:59] <sonofzeus> But chromes running fine
[08:59] <Aktiffisus> i want to see the gpu temps and afan usage
[08:59] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  gkrellm has dozens of modules to show differnt info
[08:59] <Ashael> MonkeyDust: thanks, but I speak English
[09:00] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  check its docs/settings... or use conky.. which can display most anything you will ever want.
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> sonofzeus: isn't that default?
[09:01] <Ashael> so, i've stumbled upon the dreadful no-hdmi-sound bug. had problems updating to a generic kernel. help pls?
[09:01] <dr_willis> ActionParsnip:  thats what i was just thinking.. its the default here i belive
[09:01] <maui> i had to deinstall my native language cause the instructions i get here are in >English
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> sonofzeus: yes, it is default (dr_willis)
[09:01] <dr_willis> maui:  i thought you can select the language at the Login screen...  (i only use english)
[09:03] <maui> oh yes! its not in english yet
[09:04] <Ashael> anyone care to help with the no-hdmi-sound bug?
[09:05] <Aktiffisus> conky dont shows temperatures too
[09:05] <sonofzeus> Can anyone help me out?
[09:05] <Aktiffisus> i see is a system monitor too
[09:05] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  conky definatly CAN show temps.. if you configure it to do so...
[09:05] <MonkeyDust> Ashael  as soon as someone enters who can help, s/he will :)
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> Ashael: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[09:05] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  search for 'conky colors' for a very nice example conky config setup
[09:06] <Aktiffisus> yeah i see
[09:06] <Aktiffisus> a screenshot
[09:06] <Aktiffisus> i think dont shows temperatures
[09:06] <Aktiffisus> i will uninstall psensors
[09:06] <maui> how do i change the os language entirelly?
[09:06] <dr_willis> conky can show most anything you would ever want to see.
[09:06] <dr_willis> if you configure it to do so
[09:07] <maui> from keyboard settings/language settings?
[09:07] <sonofzeus> okay I will be waiting
[09:07] <sonofzeus> pls help me
[09:08] <dr_willis> sonofzeus:  i missed the actual problem?
[09:08] <sonofzeus> ok
[09:09] <sonofzeus> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0 I put this line in the file "/etc/fstab" and I've read that that will make chrome fail but chrome works fine
[09:09] <sonofzeus> link:http://www.itsecurity.com/features/ubuntu-secure-install-resource/
[09:09] <llutz> sonofzeus: if it works, what is your problem then?
[09:09] <K1lleD> hey guys i will ask again, http://images01.olx.in/ui/20/44/40/1333794153_347104440_1-HP-Mobile-Remote-Control-For-Pavilion-dv4dv5dv7-Series-PC-463979-001-FOR-SALE-Adugodi.jpg can i make this work. ubuntu 12.04, HP pavilion dv6-2010eq ??
[09:09] <dr_willis> sonofzeus:  and we said.. 'thats the default' and it definatly works for most people fine.... so... the prrovblem is?
[09:09] <Aktiffisus> ok i will go
[09:09] <sonofzeus> Yeah but its been clearly stated that chrome doesnt work in the ubuntu documentation
[09:09] <Aktiffisus> to install conky
[09:09] <dr_willis> err.,.  itsecurity.com is not  ubuntu documetation..
[09:10] <sonofzeus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StricterDefaults
[09:10] <dr_willis> chrome does work here.
[09:10] <sonofzeus> I was offline a bit
[09:10] <sonofzeus> offline for a bit*
[09:10] <WeThePeople> hi
[09:10] <dr_willis> sounds to me liek it was a problem in the past that got fixed...
[09:11] <sonofzeus> sorry I got it all wron
[09:11] <sonofzeus> wrong*
[09:11] <sonofzeus> Thanks anyways
[09:11] <sonofzeus> Bye
[09:11] <FloodBot1> sonofzeus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:12] <K1lleD> hey guys i will ask again, http://images01.olx.in/ui/20/44/40/1333794153_347104440_1-HP-Mobile-Remote-Control-For-Pavilion-dv4dv5dv7-Series-PC-463979-001-FOR-SALE-Adugodi.jpg can i make this work. ubuntu 12.04, HP pavilion dv6-2010eq ??
[09:13] <dr_willis> K1lleD:  and what have you tried so far to get it to work?
[09:13] <Aktiffisus> wllis i installed conky
[09:13] <Aktiffisus> but dont see anywhere
[09:13] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get install conky
[09:14] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  open a terminak and type 'conky'
[09:14] <dr_willis> !conky
[09:15] <dr_willis> conky has rather poor defaults. ;) youi will want to make your own custome .conkyrc
[09:15] <dr_willis> or try the various ones at the conky web sites
[09:18] <Aktiffisus> i type conky on therminal
[09:18] <Aktiffisus> and says something
[09:18] <Aktiffisus> rare
[09:18] <Aktiffisus> can i paste here willis?
[09:18] <dr_willis> conky displahs on the desktop under all the other windows  normally
[09:18] <dr_willis> !pastebin | Aktiffisus
[09:19] <maui> how do i switch language?
[09:19] <Aktiffisus> ok
[09:19] <maui> which keys i press
[09:19] <maui> ctrl and alt?
[09:19] <dr_willis> !locale
[09:20] <Aktiffisus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667077/
[09:20] <Aktiffisus> here is
[09:20] <dr_willis> Aktiffisus:  and do you see a conky window on your desktop now?
[09:21] <dr_willis> miimize all the other windows
[09:21] <Aktiffisus> let me try
[09:21] <dr_willis> i whoud think that would of been the first thing you tried......
[09:21] <klander> hi, how do i check if theres a ubuntu package for apache 2.4 + php 5.4 ?
[09:22] <klander> sorry, i meant for raring ringtail
[09:22] <dr_willis> klander:  theres ppa search tools if the version in the repos are to old for you
[09:22] <dr_willis> !ppa
[09:23] <maui> the config pane did not come up to me when i put $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data in terminal
[09:23] <dr_willis> maui:  you dident put in the $ did you?
[09:23] <maui> no
[09:23] <dr_willis> ;)
[09:23] <maui> it just told me which is the chosen lokale, thats all
[09:24] <maui> within the termiknal that is
[09:24] <dr_willis> i thought you could just logout and select a differnt language at the login screen.. but i only use english.. so have never tried any other languages
[09:25] <klander> ok i guess its not out yet
[09:25] <klander> ie. theres no official package
[09:26] <dr_willis> klander:  its very likely there wont ever be an official package.
[09:26] <skroon> what would be a good place to store iptables (masquerading) rules?
[09:26] <skroon> so that they get loaded again during boot time
[09:26] <klander> dr_willis, why is that?
[09:26] <dr_willis> klander:  because  ubuntu dosnet normally update version of packages btween releases
[09:26] <dr_willis> except in special cases
[09:27] <maui> when i log in, i m not given any options except log in as guest, and put the password
[09:27] <MooFz> Anyone who can help me transfering data from my ubuntu-"server" to my NAS?
[09:27] <maui> i dont get to choose lokale
[09:27] <MonkeyDust> MooFz  there's also #ubuntu-server
[09:27] <dr_willis> maui:  no menus any where on the login screen to select language?
[09:27] <dr_willis> MooFz:  whats so hard about it?
[09:28] <MooFz> dr_willis: I want to know what the fastest way is to transfer about 2TB of data
[09:28] <MonkeyDust> MooFz  rsync -a is fast
[09:28] <dr_willis> MooFz:  rsync most likely would be the best way.
[09:29] <dr_willis> depends on how the 2 machines are networked also.. they on the same lan?
[09:29] <MooFz> I tried Rsync, after 3 days it was on only 70%
[09:29] <dr_willis> so in 4 days it would be done. ;)
[09:29] <Ben64> should have waited that last day
[09:30] <dr_willis> rsync can resume i belive
[09:30] <MonkeyDust> it can
[09:30] <Ben64> rsync -aP
[09:30] <dr_willis> 3 days for 2tb.. i think my raspberry pi can do better then that over usb.....
[09:30] <dr_willis> it the NAS using a USB hd?
[09:31] <Ben64> dr_willis: 7.716MB/s
[09:31] <MooFz> The NAS is using 4 SATA-300 disks
[09:31] <MooFz> The "server" and NAS are connected of LAN via 100mbit
[09:32] <MooFz> I think my rasp-pi actually has a better CPU than the NAS xD
[09:32] <Ben64> thats probably the fastest it does then
[09:32] <MooFz> what does -aP do with rsync?
[09:32] <Ben64> man rsync
[09:33] <dr_willis> Hmm. does the pi have gigibit NIC or just 100 mbit? i dont even rember
[09:33] <Ben64> 100
[09:33] <phaidros> hi, since a couple of days my thunderbird is broken in 13.04. it just starts maximized and doesn't give focus back, alt-tab isn't working in that workspace :/ I tried thunderbird-beta already, but lightning and enigmail don't work with that.
[09:33] <phaidros> any ideas?
[09:33] <maui> ok, because i installed ubuntu yesterday
[09:33] <llutz> dr_willis: 100mbit only
[09:33] <dr_willis> thats what i was thinking..
[09:33] <maui> can i ask: can i deinstall, reinstall and set up english as os language?
[09:33] <phaidros> even the unity panel is not visible ..
[09:33] <dr_willis> My Pi does Ok as a DLNA video server.
[09:33] <Ben64> raspberry pi shares bandwidth on lan with usb
[09:34] <phaidros> dr_willis: which software do you as dlna server?
[09:34] <MonkeyDust> Ben64  what does does -P do with rsync?
[09:34] <dr_willis> phaidros:  xbmc mainlly.. or i think i played with 'minidlna' also
[09:34] <Ben64> MonkeyDust: man rsync
[09:34] <dr_willis> 2 pis  working as xbmc boxs - serveing to each other.. one upstairs  one down..
[09:34] <MooFz> I use mediatomb as DLNA server
[09:34] <llutz>  man rsync|less -p \-P
[09:35] <llutz> finally rpi camera module is out now, new stuff to play with
[09:36] <MooFz> haha, what could u possibly use that for? :P
[09:36] <dr_willis> Point it at a fish tank and have a Fish-Cam
[09:36] <MooFz> hah
[09:36] <llutz> motion-webcam in birdhouses....
[09:36] <dr_willis> or make a Fish shaped underwater robot
[09:37] <MooFz> Fishy
[09:37] <dr_willis> llutz:  been there.. did that.. :) with a Long usb extension cord and a logitech webcam
[09:37] <llutz> dr_willis:better with  wireless
[09:37] <dr_willis> 'robbin-nest-o-cam'
[09:38] <dr_willis> nest was on the  front porch ;)  easy to see
<     <-- fish scheme
[09:38] <dr_willis> wife wanted to watch it from her bedroom..  duct tape and 30ft of usb...  :)
[09:38] <llutz> MonkeyDust: poor resolution :)
[09:39] <MooFz> Better wait for RASPBMC Kinect plugin
[09:41] <dr_willis> bye all
[09:41] <MooFz> Rsync -aP doesn't go faster than 1.23MB/s :(
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> MooFz  I guess rsync is the fastest way you'll find
[09:42] <MooFz> faster than FTP?
[09:44] <llutz> MooFz: use rsync without ssh-encryption to make it faster
[09:44] <MooFz> What is the option?
[09:45] <llutz> MooFz: needs rsync-daemon running "rsync -a foo/ rsync://user@host/foo/
[09:47] <llutz> MooFz: see /usr/share/doc/rsync/examples/rsyncd.conf and "man rsyncd.conf"
[09:48] <MooFz> Ok thanks!
[09:50] <janisozaur> is it possible to see build configuration of subversion package? perhaps a build log?
[09:54] <kvothetech> janisozaur: when you do the configure/make / make install etc you set the build options....
[09:55] <janisozaur> kvothetech, yes, but i want to see what options where used to configure subversion package in the repostiry
[10:10] <gourab> hi can anyone help me?
[10:11] <gourab> is there anyone ?
[10:11] <MonkeyDust> gourab  start with a question
[10:11] <janisozaur> !anyone | gourab
[10:11] <gourab> actually I am very new to linux and I just installed ubuntu 13.04 and I want to add the previous gnome stle app launcher where I had menu bar and all the applications listed under it like Internet, Graphics , Games etc. but in this 13.04 there is only a unity launcher at the left
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[10:12] <MonkeyDust> gourab  you can install Fallback
[10:12] <gourab> after installing fallback will it be like old?
[10:12] <MonkeyDust> gourab  it *looks* like gnome2, but it's gnome3
[10:13] <makara> what happened in the last update: VLC won't go fullscreen over unity panel and Docky won't stay over windows?
[10:13] <gourab> ok and in my 13.04 gnome is not installed right.?
[10:14] <MonkeyDust> !find fallback | gourab
[10:15] <gourab> Ok thank you:) let me try
[10:15] <mihail-moldova> hi
[10:18] <mihail-moldova> my server does not understand domains with Russian letters
[10:18] <mihail-moldova> can someone help me to solve this problem
[10:33] <JediMaster> has anyone here been able to get a FTP over SSL server working on 13.04? vsftpd is completely unusable in 13.04 due to bug #1160372
[10:33] <Aktiffisus> hello again
[10:34] <Aktiffisus> and  good nigth
[10:34] <Aktiffisus> i have two easy cuestions to you
[10:34] <Aktiffisus> because the sensors make me crazy
[10:34] <Aktiffisus> can you help me?
[10:34] <JediMaster> time for the men in white coats?
[10:36] <Aktiffisus> Can anybody help me to update Libre office to most recent version
[10:36] <Aktiffisus> ?
[10:37] <Aktiffisus> hello can anybody help me to update libre office to most recent version?
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:38] <Aktiffisus>  i put that but still have 3 versioni
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  if you want something more recent than what's in the repos, you'd need a ppa
[10:38] <Aktiffisus> and i know the most resent are 4..
[10:38] <Aktiffisus> i dont know i  am noob
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  that's why i'm telling, no problem
[10:38] <JediMaster> Aktiffisus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/libreoffice
[10:39] <JediMaster> version 4 is available in ubuntu raring (13.04)
[10:39] <Aktiffisus> i am using LTS 12
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  raring has libre office 4.0.2.2
[10:39] <JediMaster> upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and you can get Libre Office 4.0.2
[10:39] <JediMaster> Aktiffisus, if you stick with 12.04 LTS you won't get the latest version of programs
[10:40] <marduk> hi
[10:40] <Guest32501> how do i create a partition and then format it as ntsf so that i install windows in it?
[10:40] <JediMaster> Aktiffisus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libreoffice 3.5.4 is the latest for 12.04 LTS
[10:40] <Aktiffisus> i know have a ppa but i lot the website where say how to update whith ppa
[10:41] <Aktiffisus> can i update to 4 version via ppa?  and how?
[10:41] <troulouliou_dev> hi i would like to install mdm through a ppa however there is already another mdm official package that correspond to totally another program
[10:41] <Aktiffisus> please i am noob i am taking notes
[10:41] <troulouliou_dev> what cani do ?
[10:41] <JediMaster> Aktiffisus: you might find a ppa or backport of the latest version, but why do you want to stay with 12.04 LTS?
[10:41] <maui> im also noob:(
[10:41] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  find a ppa, add it to the software sources, then apt-get update and install libre office
[10:42] <Aktiffisus> because have lts
[10:42] <maui> its very restrictive:(
[10:42] <maui> I need to install some form of windows on a partition
[10:43] <Aktiffisus> i have the long term support
[10:43] <Aktiffisus> because i crash system too many times
[10:43] <Aktiffisus> i am worried and fear to install another version
[10:43] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  that's normal if you're new
[10:43] <hulu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1179367
[10:43] <hulu> who can help me
[10:44] <Aktiffisus> monkey how c an i update libre office via ppa
[10:44] <Aktiffisus> i dont trust on other sites i see in taringa one method but
[10:44] <Aktiffisus> i trust more on you
[10:44] <Aktiffisus> you are experienced users
[10:44] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  like i said: add the ppa to the sources, apt-get update and install it
[10:45] <Aktiffisus> can you give me the comand complete
[10:45] <MonkeyDust> !ppa
[10:45] <hulu> Aktiffisus: add-apt-repository
[10:47] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  tip: don't start with ppa's if you're new
[10:47] <Aktiffisus> can you explain me more easy t‎ipe on terminal----
[10:47] <hulu> who can help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1179367
[10:47] <Aktiffisus> i need libre office 4 because the documents dont see good on libre office 3
[10:48] <MonkeyDust> !cli
[10:49] <Aktiffisus> wait me a second
[10:49] <Aktiffisus> i show you the link who says how to update and tell me if that are a rigth method please?
[10:50] <Aktiffisus> http://www.muylinux.com/2013/03/05/como-instalar-libreoffice-4-0-en-ubuntu-fedora-y-opensuse/
[10:50] <felon> ill tell the second to wait on you
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> !es
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  better ask basic advice in your own language, i guess
[10:51] <Aktiffisus> in ubuntu spanish chanel  not are anybody
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> the comands who says in terminal are that
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get update
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> they say i must put this to update to libre office 4
[10:52] <Aktiffisus> is that method safe?
[10:53] <Aktiffisus> ?????
[10:53] <makara> in my miserable experience conservative updates to LTS cause as much problems as updates to the standard distro. Its best just to set security updates to daily and turn the rest off completely. Do an update manually only when you have to. Follow the golden rule 'IF IT AIN"T BROKEN DON"T FIX IT'
[10:54] <MonkeyDust> makara  your question being?...
[10:54] <Squarepy> Aktiffisus, updating a distro is not something I would do lightly
[10:54] <makara> you don't need this: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:55] <Dalle4> Hello
[10:55] <makara> MonkeyDust, keep to the topic please
[10:55] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  easiest would be, to use 13.04
[10:55] <til4k> i dunno why people cant just backup data and wipe it
[10:56] <Aktiffisus> because are too much data
[10:56] <troulouliou_dev> hoiw can i install a package from a ppa if it is already in the official repos
[10:56] <Dalle4> Anyone also have experienced some network problems with Ubuntu server 13.04?
[10:56] <til4k> troulouliou_dev: synaptic maybe? you can use y-ppa-manager
[10:57] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  especially, if you have a lot of data, back them up regularly
[10:57] <troulouliou_dev> til4k, i want to install mdm a gdm fork ; but it is in ubuntu with the same name butit is totally another software
[10:57] <troulouliou_dev> mdm official ubbuntu : he Middleman System (mdm) is a set of utilities that help you parallelize your shell scripts
[10:57] <til4k> troulouliou_dev: linux mint
[10:57] <til4k> ?
[10:57] <troulouliou_dev> til4k, no ubuntu 13.04
[10:58] <til4k> 13.04 uses gdm
[10:58] <til4k> or lightgdm or something
[10:58] <fanys> lightdm
[10:58] <Dalle4> xxoxxoxxxxxxxoxoxoxox
[10:58] <fanys> by default
[10:58] <til4k> ya
[10:58] <troulouliou_dev> til4k, im using a ppa for 13.04 that includes mdm but the mdm package already exists in the official repos fir another tool
[10:58] <til4k> troulouliou_dev: i dunno thats above my pay grade
[10:59] <til4k> i break my system all the time messing with ppas
[10:59] <troulouliou_dev> til4k, doing this : http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install-mint-display-manager-mdm-in.html
[10:59] <til4k> lol
[10:59] <Aktiffisus> Loook the problem are libre office 3  dont shows my documents correctly because that i want to know how to upgrade
[10:59] <troulouliou_dev> gdm customisation has been removed or too console mode for me
[10:59] <til4k> troulouliou_dev: wouldn't just forcing the newer version in apt-get work?
[10:59] <troulouliou_dev> apt-cache policy just show me the official âckage from ubuntu
[11:00] <til4k> Aktiffisus: you want libreoffice 4?
[11:00] <Aktiffisus> yes til4k
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> til4k  i told him twice what to do
[11:00] <Aktiffisus> but i am using 12.04 ubuntu
[11:01] <Aktiffisus> please explain me too much easy  i am too noob and that world are new for me
[11:01] <ripthejacker> !python
[11:01] <Aktiffisus> i see that comand line
[11:01] <ripthejacker> !python -v
[11:02] <til4k> Aktiffisus: ok i looked up the ppa for lucid
[11:02] <Aktiffisus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[11:02] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get update
[11:02] <til4k> it's ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0
[11:02] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:02] <Aktiffisus> how can install it can you tell me the comands
[11:02] <til4k> oh its not official right
[11:03] <til4k> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[11:03] <til4k> sudo apt-get update
[11:03] <til4k> sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:03] <Aktiffisus> i .love you
[11:03] <til4k> download this https://launchpad.net/y-ppa-manager its so muche asier
[11:04] <Aktiffisus> thank you very much to all
[11:04] <Aktiffisus> and excuse for be to insistent and fool
[11:05] <Aktiffisus> but in spanish irc don have novody
[11:05] <til4k> so i enabled xorg-edgers because out of the box with ATI Radeon 4650 ( i think i forget) was kinda buggy and proprietary drivers or fglrx or fglrx-amdccle was breaking my system -- voila, better performance
[11:05] <Aktiffisus> nobody
[11:05] <til4k> but the latest kernel breaks
[11:06] <til4k> its best i just leave the new kernel alone and boot into the old one right, rather than messing with uninstalling a new kernel?
[11:06] <til4k> or is that a recipe for disaster
[11:06] <Aktiffisus> i use propietary drivers and never have problems
[11:06] <til4k> ya i have crappy intel laptop intergrated stuff
[11:07] <til4k> on this puppy
[11:08] <Aktiffisus> hey til4k
[11:08] <Aktiffisus> thank you
[11:08] <til4k> Aktiffisus: no prob
[11:08] <til4k> hasta luego
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> hasty lumbago?
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[11:11] <til4k> Dr_Willis: dunno
[11:11] <Aktiffisus> one cuestion
[11:11] <Aktiffisus>  if i upgrade to the most recent ubuntu version from my dristro
[11:12] <Aktiffisus>  i dont loss my configurations and archives?
[11:12] <Aktiffisus> files
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> Upgradeing the OS - should not touch your configs
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: no as you will not only have backups, but it only updates the programs
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you have made backups, right?
[11:13] <Aktiffisus> i have backups
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: then go crazy :)
[11:13] <Aktiffisus> but i deelay 6 hours to backup files
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  do you really have any specially customized configs worth saveing? ;P
[11:14] <marduk_> how do i create a partition so that i install windowns there? it has to be a ntsf partition
[11:14] <Aktiffisus> can i upgrade from 12.04 to most resent version?
[11:14] <marduk_> within ubuntu os
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> marduk_:  gparted can make a ntfs.. or just leave a unallocated part of the HD free and let windows partion it
[11:14] <Aktiffisus> no but i have too much data on my hoe folder
[11:14] <Aktiffisus> and pass this again and download again the CD
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  stuff in your /home/whatever is differnt from 'configuration files'
[11:15] <marduk_> sorry that didnt make sense, when i try to installwindows, it says that my drive is not a ntfs therefre windows cannot be install
[11:15] <marduk_> ed
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  data worth keeping is data worthbacking up
[11:15] <marduk_> i only have one giant parition on linux for 500 gb
[11:15] <marduk_> how do i cut it half
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> marduk_:  then you will need to use gparted to resize the partion
[11:15] <marduk_> 250gb linux, and 250 ntsf windows
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: just leave npartitioned space, the windows installer can then format it
[11:15] <Aktiffisus> can i upgrade whith safety to newest distro?
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> marduk_  backup, use gparted the change the partitions
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: you will need to reinstate Grub to the MBR as the Windows installer will blindly overwrite it
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> marduk_  backup, use gparted to change the partitions   <-- correction
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: which release are you on now?
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  theres always risks.
[11:16] <Aktiffisus> 12.04
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: its a release, the distro is still Ubuntu
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you will need to upgrade to 12.10 first, then to 13.04
[11:17] <Aktiffisus> and i can whithout reinstall all os create partitions and burn media instalation?
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: sure
[11:18] <Aktiffisus> how to
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: 13.04 is EOL before 12.10 though, may want to bear that in mind
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | Aktiffisus
[11:18] <Aktiffisus> i think ubuntu not are too complicated
[11:19] <sparkzhang> hello
[11:19] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  what you are doing is not the easiest way to get familiar with ubuntu
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> i dont even get what hes trying to do...
[11:21] <marduk_> i guess that to partition my ubuntu 500 gb ext4, i must do it via the dvd and not from within ubunt??!
[11:21] <MonkeyDust> Dr_Willis  use libreoffice 4 on 12.04, with a ppa
[11:22] <AtuM> marduk_, do it offline (via the dvd) if your OS is on that disk and you need to change the root partition.. else you can do it online
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> marduk_:  you do not resize a partion thats in use. ;) so yes. a live cd will be needed
[11:23] <Aktiffisus> if i upgrade relese dont losse programs or files i have one partition for system and other for home
[11:24] <Ben64> Aktiffisus: you should just keep 12.04
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  you upgrade the OS.. that  has nothing to do with partions really.... you are worrying about way to much
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  if you want 13.04 - it might be easier to do a clean install however.
[11:25] <Aktiffisus> yes i am worrie to loss data or something like that
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: run the upgrade to 12.10 and you can then upgrade to 13.04
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: why you are wanting to leave the LTS rlease is a bit weird. The release you are on is supported til April 2017
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip  because he want libreoffice 4
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: that's it!?
[11:26] <marduk_> is 13.04 more convenient for noobs?
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you can get LibreOffice4 in Precise if that is ALL you are upgrading for....
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: please avoid 'noobs' etc
[11:26] <marduk_> newbies
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: i'd say Precise was ideal as it is long supported, fewer reinstalls
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: yes I am fully aware of the term, its just not very nice
[11:27] <marduk_> but i did not come up with the term to insult anyone
[11:27] <penos> libre office can't open latest microsoft word document
[11:28] <marduk_> anyways, is Precise a linux  that is friendlier to newbies?
[11:28] <Aktiffisus> oklet me see  if i understand
[11:28] <Aktiffisus> can i have libre office 4 on precise ?
[11:28] <Aktiffisus> 12.04?
[11:28] <Aktiffisus> how?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: if all you are upgrading to Raring (via Quantal) is to get LibreOffice4, then I'd hold off and install LibreOffice 4 in Precise. It is fully possible
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: have you searched the web...at all?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=libreoffice+4+Precise&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
[11:29] <Aktiffisus> yes and someone here giveme a procediment but
[11:29] <Aktiffisus> that dont work
[11:29] <Aktiffisus> and the other method are from a untrusted resource
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: can you expand on that, simply saying "didn't work" doesn't tell us much at all
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you can add the GPG key and the PPA will be trusted
[11:30] <AtuM> ActionParsnip, HE doesn't trust the PPA
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: works great
[11:33] <Aktiffisus> ok
[11:33] <Aktiffisus> the way i found are that
[11:33] <Aktiffisus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[11:33] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get update
[11:33] <Aktiffisus> Then, launch Software Updater and upgrade the packages (alternatively, you can also use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade").
[11:34] <marduk_> how do i burn an iso to a cd in ubuntu?
[11:34] <marduk_> i will burn precise and try that too
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> marduk_  use brasero
[11:35] <penos> marduk_, k3b
[11:35] <Guest50319> test123
[11:36] <Aktiffisus> hey i am upgrading to quantan quetzal
[11:36] <Aktiffisus> :D
[11:36] <Guest50319> ada yang pernah mk vmware EXI ngak
[11:36] <Guest50319> nau tanya" nie
[11:37] <Aktiffisus> ok now are my rest day i can learn to you
[11:38] <Myrtti> !id | Guest50319
[11:38] <Aktiffisus> one cuestion more
[11:38] <Aktiffisus> how estable and secure are raring 13?
[11:38] <Aktiffisus> sorry i am a fucking noob
[11:39] <Tm_T> Aktiffisus: please no cursing or other bad language here
[11:39] <Aktiffisus> ok sorry
[11:39] <Tm_T> Aktiffisus: 13.04 release is stable release with 9 months support, is that what you're asking?
[11:39] <Aktiffisus> i feel like a kid
[11:40] <Aktiffisus> yes and about security are the same?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> marduk_: brasero is in a default install
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: its officially stable
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you are just new to the OS, that's all
[11:41] <Aktiffisus> how works for you
[11:41] <Aktiffisus> ?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: fine
[11:41] <Aktiffisus> ok ii try to experience the upgrading
[11:42] <Aktiffisus> and tell you how works for me
[11:42] <Aktiffisus> you are very kindly persons
[11:42] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  next time, start with something simple
[11:43] <Aktiffisus> if i tlk you about my history
[11:43] <Aktiffisus> i never end
[11:43] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:43] <Aktiffisus> i am worried about lost programs configurations or my home folder
[11:43] <Aktiffisus> when i upgrade but i will take the risk
[11:45] <Aktiffisus> here no say nothing but how much deelays the upgrade?
[11:45] <Aktiffisus> is less time to download the iso?
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: why upgrade, you are on the LTS. It doesn't make sense....
[11:46] <Aktiffisus> some one here says must upgrade to have libre office 4
[11:46] <Aktiffisus> going to cry
[11:46]  * compdoc hands out hankies
[11:47] <maui> is mint better for windows user?
[11:47] <Aktiffisus> i dont recomend mint
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  ActionParsnip told you how to install libreoffice 4 with the ppa, in 12.04
[11:47] <Aktiffisus> maui
[11:47] <maui> ok
[11:47] <maui> cause its recommended for beginners
[11:48] <Aktiffisus> hummm ubuntu but i let the experts
[11:48] <Aktiffisus> tells you
[11:48] <Aktiffisus> look
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you can get LibreOffice 4 in Precise. I keep telling you
[11:48] <Aktiffisus> in my personal experience mint have problems whith wireless drivers and atidrivers
[11:48] <MonkeyDust> < ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:49] <maui> i can't use the 'visiblebody' atlas in linux
[11:49] <Aktiffisus> but whith that comands says
[11:49] <maui> you now, its quite limited to the things that are written for linux
[11:49] <maui> and those things aren't wide in thematic
[11:49] <Aktiffisus> "The upgrade  goes parciality you need to update another things"
[11:49] <Aktiffisus> or something like that
[11:50] <Aktiffisus> libre office dont install complety and says somethings of quetzal kernel and other things
[11:50] <Aktiffisus> in the final step
[11:51] <Aktiffisus> works sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[11:51] <Aktiffisus> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade").
[11:51] <Aktiffisus> but someone says it not secure
[11:51] <Aktiffisus> and the upgrdade starts now
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: it is, the command imports the PPA and the GPG key, making it secure
[11:51] <Aktiffisus> can i chancel it?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: its fine, let it run
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> is theres some really special feature in the latest libreoffice that you just cant live without? ;P
[11:52] <Squarepy> autocorrect?
[11:52] <AtuM> the themes ;)
[11:52] <Aktiffisus> what i let run
[11:53] <Aktiffisus> ahhhhhhhhh i am crazy
[11:53] <Aktiffisus> willies the office documents dont shows well on libre office 3 and the documents made in libre office 3 doont show well on windows  and in libre office 4 yes
[11:54] <Aktiffisus> ok ok i am scared
[11:54] <Aktiffisus> go for cigarrete anybody wants one?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: why, you added an extra source of packages and are now using it, where is th problem
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: you install 3rd party apps in Windows, right?
[11:56] <seronis> I prefer Chrome-beta so I uninstalled firefox when putting xubuntu on my laptop. Just now Software Updater told me there is an update for "English Language Pack for Firefox".
[11:56] <Aktiffisus> no
[11:56] <Aktiffisus> i dont install nothing of windows
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> if you are using libreoffice in windows you are....
[11:57] <seronis> how do i find other firefox related packages to make sure they are removed too ?
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: so what did you use before Ubuntu?
[11:57] <Fudge> isnt firefox part of ubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <elektron_> join linux
[11:57] <Aktiffisus> ok let me explain  and tjanks for your patiente
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> seronis:  sudo apt-get remove fire<tab> perhaps ? or use synaptic or some other gui front end and search
[11:57] <proby> !info firefox
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> seronis:  i find it best to keep both browsers installed.
[11:58] <Aktiffisus> i have too much windows licences but uefi dont let me use it and ms says  i must pay for new licences
[11:58] <Aktiffisus> i update libre office whith this procedement
[11:58] <Aktiffisus> when i go linux
[11:58] <Aktiffisus> i update libre office whith this procedement
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: yes, that's fine....
[11:59] <Aktiffisus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[11:59] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get update
[11:59] <Aktiffisus> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132837/how-do-i-install-the-latest-stable-version-of-libreoffice
[11:59] <Aktiffisus> but some user says are unsecure
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: its not, they just added the PPA incorrectly
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  some user? what user?
[12:00] <joe127_> good day, can anyone help me with a kernel problem ... ?
[12:00] <Aktiffisus> i dont know your names are too less visible for me
[12:01] <Aktiffisus> i have a trouble
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: that is why we highlight you by typing a bit of your nick, then hitting TAB
[12:01] <Aktiffisus> the upgrade to quanta quetzal  starts now
[12:01] <joe127_> my /boot run to 100% so i tried to remove unneeded kernels... apt-get -y purge linux-headers-3.2.0.38 linux-headers-3.2.0.38-generic brings the error message
[12:01] <joe127_> Package linux-headers-3.2.0-38-lowlatency is not installed, so not removed You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  linux-image-server : Depends: linux-image-3.2.0-41-generic but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:01] <Aktiffisus> can i cancel it?
[12:01] <joe127_> so i get the list with dpkg dpkg --list |grep linux-image
[12:01] <seronis> Dr_Willis,  thank you.  Didnt realize there was enough 'context' being tracked that I could tab complete package names on the CLI
[12:01] <Aktiffisus> stop it?
[12:02] <Aktiffisus> the upgrade?
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> jhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-to-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu   check this joe127_  perhaps?
[12:02] <joe127_> i did the purge dpkg -P linux-image-3.2.0-{32,33,34,36,37,38,39}-generic
[12:02] <oeeve> Hi, is there some clever way to make something almost like a "super" folder. Where all files put inside it (independent of user) becomes chmod 777 ? ... I have tried making the parentfolder 777 -R, but new files put inside it, still belongs to the user who put it there.
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> oops.. got an extra j in there..
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> seronis:  :) its easy to overlook.. its a nifty trick
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: let it run and you can remove it if you want. There is no insecurity in this at all
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: I have no idea at all what you ae flapping about
[12:03] <seronis> oeeve,  set a cron job to do that ?
[12:03] <Aktiffisus> flapping?
[12:03] <joe127_> apt-get install -f showed me the kernels are still there
[12:03] <seronis> oeeve, i DONT recommend that though.. just seems like asking for trouble
[12:03] <Squarepy> seronis, wouldn´t it need root?
[12:03] <joe127_> and apt-get autoremove tells me i should to the install -f
[12:03] <Aktiffisus> dont understand what are flapping
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> joe127_:  the url i gave shows several ways to remove all the old kernels. except the current one in use
[12:04] <Aaruni> I keep getting this, almost every time I boot my system. I asked here before, and they adviced me to install lsb_release, but no avail. http://edufor.fosspowered.com/img/image.php?di=QXHE
[12:04] <joe127_> ok will check this Dr_Willis
[12:05] <seronis> Squarepy, i dont think it would need root if it is for files he already owns in his home dir
[12:05] <Muelli> Aaruni: have you filed a bug?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: worrying, panicing
[12:05] <Aaruni> Muelli: no. how do I do that ?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: what are you so concerned about?
[12:06] <Muelli> Aaruni: you click "continue"
[12:06] <Squarepy> seronis, yes thanks
[12:06] <Aaruni> Muelli: I do that every time
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: some people added the PPA incorrectly and you are seeing the word 'unsecure' and getting worried. This is not any thing unsecure
[12:06] <oeeve> seronis It would help me alot, cause i log in from different places ssh, vnc etc, with different users and put files in the home directory of a sftp user i've setup. It would be great if (when on the sftp) could delete files i dont use any more,.. without having to ssh back in with the admin account i used to move the file there .. sort of ... I guess a simple cron job that just runst "chmod
[12:06] <oeeve> -R 777 /home/user/uploads" could't hurt ? :/
[12:06] <Muelli> Aaruni: and a browser window on launchpad appears, no?
[12:07] <Aaruni> Muelli: no
[12:07] <Aaruni> never
[12:07] <Muelli> hm Aaruni. weird.
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  its possible thats just reporting an OLD error message/log - and its not crashing every time.. You could just disable apport if your system is working properly
[12:07] <gag_giluxe> <aerr)
[12:07] <Aktiffisus> If i upgrade  the programs like skype chromium and teamviwer stay here?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  again.. Upgrading to the next release in most cases does NOT remove installed apps.
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> Aktiffisus: yes, but you don't need to upgrade Ubuntu to get LibreOffice 4, you can get it in Precise. YOur reason for upgrading to Raring is ridiculous
[12:08] <Aaruni> Dr_Willis: will my system be hurt in any way, if I disable apport? like other things, that may not come to my notice ?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  its just an error reporting deamon that can be a bit over zelous
[12:08] <Aktiffisus> but i can not stop upgrade or i can stop it?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport/93467#93467
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  you are doing a upgrade to what exactly? the nexct ubuntu release?
[12:09] <Aktiffisus> 12.10
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  then let it finish
[12:09] <proby> Aaruni, what were you doing before the crash ?
[12:09] <Aktiffisus> maybe i format pc in some moths
[12:09] <Aktiffisus> jejejeeje
[12:10] <proby> " i will" RIP english
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  if you stop the upgrade befor its donw.. you may   end up doing a reinstall.
[12:10] <Aaruni> proby: I boot the system, skype, rhythmbox, and gm-notify start (i have set them as startup applications), and that's the time when this error is usually displayed
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> proby:  i dont think  his native language is english anyway.
[12:11] <Aktiffisus> Ubuntu can upgrade everytime  i want to newest version LTS or not LTS?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  that error report could have came from some time in the past and just never got cleaned out.
[12:11] <proby> Aaruni , can you disable those applications one by one to know exactly what is the one doing this ?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  the latest lts was 12.04
[12:11] <proby> Dr_Willis, true :)
[12:11] <epic_> is there no juju charms for raring?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  so you are not upgradeing to the non-lts release
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> now upgradeing.. to
[12:11] <Aaruni> proby: a similar setup in a virtual machine never caused the error, but will try that too.
[12:12] <Aktiffisus> yes but  can i upgrade from not lts relese to lts relese later?
[12:12] <Aktiffisus> when it relese (how cacofonic)
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  you upgrade to the next release... if its lts or not.. dosent matter its the next release..
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> the system is not going to say.. 'nope you cant upgrade to this one.. its LTS...'
[12:13] <mahmadur> Can anybody help me how to install ofbiz on ubuntu12.04lts Gui version?
[12:13] <proby> mahmadur , what do you need ?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  you could look in /var/crash also and clean out any old crash reports also.. then see if  it sees any/makes any new crash reports..
[12:14] <joe127_> Dr_Willis thanks, i think it solved my troubles.... any short idea to make a check that after the reboot it will boot up again  ?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> joe127_:  check what? :) i dont rember your original issue
[12:14] <Aaruni> Dr_Willis: there a quite a few files there. clear them all ?
[12:15] <mahmadur> ofbiz having so many feature..and is open source
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  persnally i would just disable apport and be done with it.. or you could Move all those files to some backup dir.. just in case
[12:15] <Aaruni> ok, trying now
[12:15] <janisozaur> i have a raring-desktop-amd64.iso file from daily images and i would like to zsync it to release, so i renamed the file and ran zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync. it reports file being 80% complete, but never actually gets to download, as it errors: failed to retrieve from ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso even though i am able to access the file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667434/
[12:15] <proby> !info  ofbiz
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> Aaruni:  my /var/crash is totally empty
[12:15] <janisozaur> how can i use zsync to update my iso?
[12:15] <astyguy> hello all, Since upgrading to ubuntu 13.04 protected google play content does not play correctly and eclipse android development SDK installation and android VM seems to stop working
[12:15] <proby> mahmadur , have you downloaded it from sourceforge ?
[12:16] <tieinv> yy
[12:16] <mahmadur> proboy yes
[12:16] <proby> ok, and where are you facing problems ?
[12:16] <Aktiffisus> i going to see the newfeatures on raring raintail
[12:17] <Aktiffisus> i read its too much perfomance
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  err... those 2 lines.. made very little sence.
[12:17] <mahmadur> i install java 7 version after that ant command is not working
[12:17] <Aaruni> Dr_Willis: ok, cleared. I'll tell you if another error pops out.
[12:18] <proby> mahmadur , what java command returns ?
[12:18] <joe127_> Dr_Willis i removed the kernels.... and now i just want to make sure that the box is booting ... before doing it, uname -a shows a kernel which is available in this list "dpkg --list |grep linux-image" so it should reboot correctly right ? or is there a command for check if a box reboot will work ?
[12:18] <proby> !info jdk
[12:19] <proby> !info openjdk
[12:19] <mahmadur> just send me any good document then i can follow that to install ofbiz
[12:19] <proby> !info java
[12:19] <mahmadur> no clear document is available for ofbiz installation
[12:19] <proby> !info jre
[12:20] <MonkeyDust> !java | proby
[12:20] <proby> mahmadur, https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBTECH/apache-ofbiz-technical-production-setup-guide.html
[12:20] <proby> !java | mahmadur
[12:20] <proby> MonkeyDust, thanks :)
[12:21] <Aktiffisus> raring raintail says 9 moths of support
[12:21] <Aktiffisus> when expires that
[12:21] <Aktiffisus> ?
[12:21] <mahmadur> thanks
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  january 2014
[12:21] <Aktiffisus> i dont know when it relese
[12:21] <kohvihoor> Aktiffisus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  the version # is the date it was released...
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  so 13.04 was 2013, 4th month
[12:22] <emx> where is phpmyadmin installed to?
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  so 9 months or so from now.. you upgrade to the next release
[12:22] <Joanet> Hi all. I'm using remmina from Edubuntu 12.04 x64 to connect to Windows 2003 TS using RDP. Also I'm mapping a folder to TS, but when I try to save a file it creates a folder using the file name. Can anyone help me?
[12:23] <Aktiffisus> but quantal quetzal have support to 2014?
[12:23] <Aktiffisus> for moths more
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  and what does 'support' actually mean to you.. in ubuntu terms it means 'security updates'
[12:24] <kohvihoor> emx: /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  if you want to stick with the latest versions of libreoffice and so forth. you most likely will want to always be using the latest ubuntu release
[12:24] <Aktiffisus> support for me are you help me if i have one of this
[12:24] <proby_> Joanet , when you try to save a folder , what happens ?
[12:24] <Joanet> proby: I can create a folder, no problems
[12:24] <proby_> Joanet , this is odd :D
[12:25] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  by the time it's EOL, you'll be experienced enough to give support to others
[12:25] <emx> kohvihoor, weird. thanks
[12:25] <Aktiffisus> I am partidary for clean instalations do you think i have problems whith upgradings or only are a "habit"
[12:26] <termospullo> hey I'm having some problems with xorg
[12:26] <proby_> Joanet , is that you ? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3540903&group_id=278330&atid=1181675
[12:26] <Aktiffisus> what are the  pros and cons from upgrade and clean installations?
[12:26] <termospullo> sometimes it starts using 30% or even 50% of my cpu
[12:26] <termospullo> and it makes everything extremely sluggish
[12:27] <termospullo> and it does'nt stop until I reboot
[12:27] <Joanet> I have the same problem, not thats not me :)
[12:27] <Aktiffisus> (Monkey thank you for the motivation realy i hope help others)
[12:27] <proby_> Joanet , it looks like it is win server compatibility problem , try to use another rdp client
[12:27] <AtuM> termospullo, can be an unfit driver or unfit/uncompatible hardware
[12:28] <AtuM> termospullo, what's you GPU
[12:28] <Joanet> I see. the support ticket was created a year ago :(
[12:28] <termospullo> nvidia GT540M and a intel hd????
[12:28] <termospullo> it's a optimus laptop
[12:28] <GEre> hey there! my computer couldn't login properly becouse the problem of Grub how can i fix it the problem?
[12:29] <proby> GEre  , describe the problem in a better way !
[12:29] <Aktiffisus> What are the pros and con in clean install and upgrades ?
[12:29] <kohvihoor> GEre: what's the problem with Grub?
[12:29] <MonkeyDust> !grub | GEre depends on the problem
[12:29] <flurick> Hay, is there a short and efficent doc about the whole ubuntu cloud thing?
[12:29] <AtuM> termospullo, well I've had problems with such a configuration.. I had best results when I disabled nvidia within the bios. you can also choose to run nvidia full time, but the battery won't last long
[12:29] <auronandace> Aktiffisus: a clean install is usually a better option (more can go wrong with an upgrade)
[12:30] <GEre> thank you But I am using dual boot windows and ubutnu
[12:30] <proby> Aktiffisus, a clean install will make you loose some  file , an upgrade can be painful and erronous
[12:30] <termospullo> well the bios are kinda locked down
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> flurick  what doe you want to know?
[12:30] <skroon> I would like to create my own /etc/init.d/foobar  startup script for a service, is there like a skeleton where I can work from?
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  if you are upgrading more then one release.. you dont have to download as much data if you just do a clean install.. and it may be faster also..
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  and upgrades can fail.
[12:31] <kohvihoor> termospullo: are you using bumblebee?
[12:31] <termospullo> yes
[12:31] <ActionPa1snip> skroon: could use one of the ones already in there and edit it
[12:31] <proby> GEre , one can't simply predict your problem :D
[12:31] <Aktiffisus> ok go for  download the lastest relese
[12:31] <Aktiffisus> or recomend me reinstall precise and upgrade office correctly?
[12:32] <GEre> I was using windows and ubutnut now can't login ubuntu it displays Grub>
[12:32] <auronandace> Aktiffisus: if you must have the latest version of libreoffice on precise then you'd need to use a ppa (which isn't supported)
[12:32] <proby> GEre , try too boot a ubuntu cd , and reinstall grub
[12:33] <kohvihoor> GEre: do you have more than one harddrive?
[12:33] <auronandace> Aktiffisus: i don't see much point in picking the lts and then adding unsupported software to it
[12:33] <GEre>  <kohvihoor>yes i have another pc's hard drive
[12:33] <Ben64> you don't have to upgrade for a year
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[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  if you wanted the latest release.. it may have been faster to just reinstall the latest release.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Aktiffisus:  or as was mentioned. use a PPA on whatver reelase you have..
[12:35] <kohvihoor> GEre: can you try booting from the second hdd? i've had a similar issue before on a system with two hdd's where grub got installed on a secondary hdd
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> back to square one
[12:35] <proby> GEre , grub-install --recheck /dev/sdX ; grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg but be sure to mount the ubuntu partition
[12:35] <Krisiun> Hi all, is there any delta package system for deb as rpm has?
[12:35] <flurick> MonkeyDust: what it is, I see alot of fancy words but not how I can use it
[12:36] <MonkeyDust> flurick  then better do some reading about the cloud, first
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> the happy fluffy cloud!
[12:36] <flurick> maybe what I need is a dictionary
[12:37] <mdfe> flurick do you know what dropbox is?
[12:37] <flurick> yes
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> cloud stuff always seems to be 90% buzzwords and marketing terms
[12:37] <mdfe> flurick, that's a cloud service to store and share files
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> flurick  the cloud is online storage and sharing, basically
[12:37] <mdfe> flurick, cloud means someone else runs hardware and provides you a service
[12:37] <flurick> or well no, I havent looked at the source or anything
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> The cloud is where i set up my moms smart phone to save her pictures to. ;)
[12:38] <flurick> I know what a/the cloud is
[12:38] <MonkeyDust> flurick  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing
[12:38] <benno123> how to sync the pgp signature on server?
[12:38] <flurick> but not what all of these weird extra stuff is
[12:38] <mdfe> what weird extra stuff?
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu One and amazon let you play music from your cloud drive.. is that weird or extra?
[12:40] <benno123> please somebody help?
[12:40] <flurick> hyperscale, juju, landscape, orchestration
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> benno123  let's hear it
[12:41] <flurick> and the level under that, with all the xaas
[12:41] <Aktiffisus> ok the upgrade is bad and clean instalation are good
[12:41] <mdfe> flurick, juju is a tool for easily installing server stuff onto cloud machines
[12:41] <benno123> MonkeyDust:i need to publish my pgp key over the server,but doesn't find any option in their?so do you know anything?
[12:41] <mdfe> flurick, landscape is i think canonical's server monitoring technology
[12:41] <epic_> mdfe: so do you know where to get juju charms for raring ? :D
[12:42] <benno123> MonkeyDust:i generated the key,but unable to upload them on server!because no such option in latest Ubuntu.
[12:43] <mdfe> epic_, I dont use ubuntu as a cloud os; it breaks something every update
[12:43] <flurick> mhmm, whats the tool for managing creation of new vm's?
[12:43] <MonkeyDust> benno123  don't have to highlight me, ask the channel
[12:43] <proby> flurick , virtualbox ?
[12:43] <flurick> could I create a network with working servers and the clone the whole thing?
[12:43] <epic_> mdfe: what do you use as cloud os?
[12:44] <Joanet> proby: thanks. Any recommended RDP client?
[12:44] <Aktiffisus> hey one cuestioon more
[12:44] <ActionPa1snip> Joanet: rdesktop
[12:44] <mdfe> epic_, i have a couple of instances only, with debian
[12:44] <epic_> ok
[12:44] <ActionPa1snip> Joanet: remmina isn't bad either
[12:44] <proby> Joanet, https://www.google.tn/search?q=top+rdp+clients+for+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:44] <Aktiffisus> You say upgrade are nosense
[12:44] <Aktiffisus> andr iskly
[12:45] <Aktiffisus> riskly rigth?
[12:45] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: only for your particular requirement
[12:45] <proby> Joanet, i think rdesktop is a good one too :)
[12:45] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: it can be risky, its risky in any OS
[12:45] <Aktiffisus> i have root in one partition and home in other
[12:45] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: ok.....
[12:45] <Aktiffisus> if i reinstall precise now
[12:45] <flurick> okey so there isnt any ubuntu thing for the actual vm?
[12:45] <Aktiffisus> i hve to  format home too?
[12:46] <seronis> what is the CLI command to install the source for a package that is in the repos ?
[12:46] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: no, you can simply tell the installer o not format the home partition and use it as /home
[12:46] <proby> Aktiffisus, no
[12:46] <auronandace> !source | seronis
[12:46] <seronis> thank you
[12:46] <ActionPa1snip> seronis: apt-get source install package     I believe, check the apt-get man page and it will tell you]
[12:48] <flurick> Am I stuck with amazon then?
[12:48] <ActionPa1snip> flurick: not at all
[12:48] <Aktiffisus> where can i see the new features of raring?
[12:49] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: on the internet
[12:49] <auronandace> !raring | Aktiffisus
[12:49] <MonkeyDust> Aktiffisus  look for a review in your language
[12:49] <Aktiffisus> and how much frecuency you format your pcs and laptops
[12:49] <seronis> ActionPa1snip, only 2 weeks into using xubuntu. still not used to man pages yet and forget they exist
[12:49] <ls-al> Aktiffisus , where are you from ? greece ?
[12:49] <ActionPa1snip> seronis: hehe, they are very useful :)
[12:49] <m33r0> hello
[12:50] <ls-al> m33r0, hi
[12:50] <flurick> ActionPa1snip: care to elaborate?
[12:50] <Aktiffisus> you format your pc frecuently when a new relese are relesed?
[12:50] <ActionPa1snip> flurick: its removable, so you are not stuck with amazon at all
[12:50] <ls-al> ls-al, test
[12:51] <flurick> ActionPa1snip: :p
[12:51] <ls-al> ls-al , test
[12:51] <seronis> ActionPa1snip, when something in a man page has a  (number)  after the name, what does that refer to ?
[12:51] <auronandace> !test | ls-al
[12:51] <ActionPa1snip> Aktiffisus: my server stays on LTS, my end systems get the alpha 1 pre-release
[12:51] <seronis> those dont make sense to me at all
[12:51] <ActionPa1snip> seronis: its the section, I forget what they mean
[12:51] <ActionPa1snip> flurick: what?
[12:52] <seronis> ActionPa1snip,  so safely ignorable.  works for me =-)
[12:52] <ActionPa1snip> flurick: additional, if you dont use Unity you will not use Amazon. If you install Xubuntu or Kubuntu it's not even installed
[12:52] <rich97> Hey I have a prolem during update, it's been stuck at "P: Updating /boot/extlinux/linux.cfg..." for hours now and I'm too scared to cancel. Any idea what this is?
[12:52] <ActionPa1snip> seronis: oh definately
[12:53] <flurick> ActionPa1snip: Iam talking about tha cloud man, not my desktop
[12:53] <edgars> yoooooo
[12:53] <ActionPa1snip> flurick: i see, there are lots of cloud services for servers out there
[12:53] <edgars> where can i get a smitools for 12.04?
[12:53] <ActionPa1snip> !find smitools
[12:54] <ActionPa1snip> !info smitools
[12:54] <ActionPa1snip> edgars: universe repo
[12:54] <edgars> hmmm
[12:54] <flurick> ActionPa1snip: I know, was hoping that ubuntu was usable but I guess not, bye
[12:55] <ls-al> rich97 , do you know how to update syslinux config mannually ?
[12:55] <edgars> ActionPa1snip: i already have a universe repos :/
[12:56] <Pici> edgars: it doesn't look like it was available in 12.04
[12:56] <ActionPa1snip> edgars: then run:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install smitools
[12:56] <ActionPa1snip> ahhhhhhh
[12:56] <ActionPa1snip> !info smitools precise
[12:56] <ActionPa1snip> that is weird
[12:56] <rich97> ls-al: No but I can look it up.
[12:56] <edgars> Pici: that's a story :/
[12:56] <edgars> ActionPa1snip: hell yeah
[12:57] <ls-al> rich97 , just pastebin you extlinux/linux.cfg and ls /boot/ and ill try to find out if you can change things easily
[12:58] <edgars> now i cant run important shit without this shit :/
[12:58] <seronis> oh nice..  didnt know  'apt-get purge' existed.
[12:58] <k1l_> !language | edgars
[12:58] <ActionPa1snip> edgars: are there bugs reported?
[12:59] <edgars> ActionPa1snip: nop
[12:59] <edgars> k1l_: :/
[13:00] <zimbo> hi, is it possible to install WhatsApp
[13:00] <zimbo> on ubuntu
[13:00] <zimbo> ?
[13:00] <kohvihoor> zimbo: isn't WhatsApp smartphone only?
[13:00] <zimbo> i'm using it on my android
[13:00] <k1l_> zimbo: there is no official whatsapp client for desktop usage
[13:00] <emx> zimbo, whatsapp needs an android emulator.
[13:00] <Aktiffisus> ok i doing a foolishness
[13:00] <zimbo> okay thanks where can i find the emulator
[13:01] <Squarepy> yes, luckily whatsapp is a fishnet in terms of security
[13:01] <emx> there is a way but it is a long one
[13:01] <emx> zimbo, on google ;)
[13:01] <ls-al> zimbo , android website ?
[13:01] <ActionPa1snip> edgars: I suggest you report a bug
[13:01] <zimbo> ya emx but there might be more than one
[13:01] <ActionPa1snip> edgars: also check the changelog
[13:01] <zimbo> maybe you know which one is easier and more stable
[13:01] <Aktiffisus> Action
[13:02] <Aktiffisus> I stop the upgrade
[13:02] <ls-al> zimbo , the official one ?
[13:02] <Pici> edgars: looks like the source package was in 12.04 when it was released, but smitools was not, smistrip is there, dunno if that helps or not though.  see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsmi/0.4.8+dfsg2-4build1
[13:02] <Aktiffisus> it  dont download or install packages
[13:02] <zimbo> ls-al the official one isn't always the best
[13:02] <mnemonicj> hi
[13:02] <mnemonicj> need help with an ssh server
[13:02] <Aktiffisus> and twhen i chancelubuntu says the system back to his original state
[13:02] <emx> zimbo, try this tutorial: http://doitwithgnulinux.blogspot.ch/2013/04/whatsapp-on-ubuntu-with-android-emulator_2.html
[13:02] <rich97> ls-al: `linux.cfg` -> http://pastebin.com/zS6yJPAh `ls -la /boot/` -> http://pastebin.com/029nqnuw
[13:03] <kohvihoor> zimbo: maybe this will work: https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere
[13:03] <rich97> Thanks
[13:03] <Aktiffisus> do you think i will have any problem
[13:03] <Aktiffisus> ?
[13:03] <mnemonicj> i setup a pc with openssh, changed the default port to something else
[13:03] <mnemonicj> i can connect through ssh perfectly in the same local network
[13:04] <mnemonicj> i want to access the pc through the internet, the network admin told me to use a different ip e.g. 11.11.11.11:2001
[13:04] <mnemonicj> i'm guessing the ip has a port forwarded 2001?
[13:04] <mnemonicj> not really sure
[13:04] <mnemonicj> was is the command i should run to connect?
[13:04] <Aktiffisus> hey
[13:05] <seronis> zimbo, WhatsApp seems to be phone specific. You know there are other multi network chat clients right?  Trillian, Pidgeon etc
[13:05] <ActionPa1snip> mnemonicj: you can port forward a port to another port inside. If your router has to use the same port as the one forwarded to then you will need to match the numbers
[13:05] <ActionPa1snip> mnemonicj: changing the port number is not a security measure
[13:05] <mnemonicj> yes, i understand
[13:05] <ls-al> rich97 , as i see it is up to date
[13:06] <zimbo> i own a fleet of taxis in harare, each driver has a tablet mounted beside the gps unit and meter in the car
[13:06] <zimbo> they are all running ubuntu
[13:06] <darkapp> hey guys, debian is cooler than u
[13:06] <ls-al> rich97 but you need to remove all those unused kernels
[13:06] <mnemonicj> ActionPa1snip: so how should my command look like?
[13:06] <Aktiffisus> Action if i stop the upgrade  i will have problems i stop upgrade  but dont download or install any packagge
[13:06] <zimbo> i want customers to be able to whatsapp for a taxi
[13:06] <zimbo> but not using the drivers phones
[13:06] <zimbo> ]the tablet instead
[13:06] <leex> hi, I am trying to compile a 32bit elf with gcc -m32 but it fails with this error message: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5583877 any ideas?
[13:06] <darkapp> join #debian :p
[13:07] <rich97> ls-al: So remove < 3.5.0-28-generic?
[13:07] <rich97> ls-al: What about the update that just hung mid update?
[13:07] <zimbo> okay thanks i'm going to try whosethere
[13:08] <ls-al> rich97 ,  one question , why the 3.5 isn't on /boot ?
[13:09] <rich97> ls-al: I'll be honest with you. I have no idea. All I do is run update-manager and it works most of the time.
[13:09] <rich97> To do a release upgrade I did: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:09] <mnemonicj> any help please?
[13:10] <rich97> I haven't touched it manually.
[13:10] <ls-al>  rich97, what do updatedb && locate vmlinuz-3.5.0-28-generic returns ?
[13:10] <k1l_> rich97: why did you do it with -d?
[13:11] <Joanet> tried using rdesktop and it works
[13:11] <Joanet> thanks
[13:11] <ls-al> guys what is the latest kernel ubuntu uses ?
[13:12] <ls-al> !kernel
[13:12] <ls-al> !info generic
[13:12] <Pici> !info linux | ls-al
[13:14] <genesis_> how to bridge wlan to vboxnet
[13:15] <AtuM> genesis_, I don't think you can bridge wifi interfaces
[13:15] <ActionPa1snip> !info linux-image-generic | ls-al
[13:15] <genesis_> what about eth0
[13:15] <rich97> k1l_: Because I'm upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 with a view to then update to 13.04
[13:16] <AtuM> genesis_, when I use wifi, I set network of the guests to nat
[13:16] <genesis_> that i understand
[13:16] <genesis_> just wanted to try somthing
[13:16] <AtuM> genesis_, vboxnet is what vbox sets up.. i think you can do it within their UI
[13:17] <genesis_> tried brctl to create bridges and connect eth and vboxnet
[13:17] <AtuM> double-bridging :)
[13:17] <genesis_> yes i set it th host only and then wanted to bridge wlan o eth
[13:18] <kohvihoor> genesis_: in vbox under the network settings you should be able to select your wlan interface if you select bridged networking
[13:18] <rich97> ls-al: locate returns /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-28-generic/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-28-generic and updatedb didng give any output.
[13:19] <genesis_> I know about the network settings in vbox,
[13:19] <AtuM> genesis_, your path is trial and error.. nobody does that.. there's no need, since you can bridge the vboxnet to eth0 anyways
[13:19] <genesis_> just trying something
[13:19] <ls-al> rich97 , updating ubuntu should give you a 3.8
[13:19] <AtuM> genesis_, just not by selecting "host-only" setting
[13:19] <k1l_> rich97: -d is meant for developing upogrades. you are upgradein from a final to final. so not needing -d at all
[13:20] <ls-al> rich97 ,  just hung the current update and try to reupdate
[13:20] <rich97> ls-al: OK I'll give it a shot
[13:21] <rich97> k1l_: It shows and no releases available
[13:21] <rich97> Without the -d flag
[13:21] <k1l_> rich97: then read the howtos!
[13:21] <k1l_> you need to set the release prompt from LTS only to all releases
[13:23] <genesis_> al right thanks ne ways
[13:23] <rich97> k1l_: I prefer to do updates from in the terminal. Do you know where I set that flag?
[13:23] <genesis_> AtuM, kohvihoor
[13:24] <Aktiffisus> thanks for all
[13:24] <Pici> rich97: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[13:24] <Anubis1> hi! did anyone used hdd formated hfs+ under linux(read, read/write)?
[13:25] <k1l_> rich97: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  should state: Prompt=normal
[13:25] <rich97> k1l_, Pici, thanks.
[13:28] <jdoles> How can I install the latest Catalyst on precise?
[13:29] <troulouliou_dev> hi can i disable the at-spi2-registryd process ?
[13:32] <ls-al> troulouliou_dev , try to :p
[13:35] <ls-al> jdoles , go to website , download the bin , chmod +x thebin and ./thebin , but be sure to be root
[13:35] <jdoles> ls-al: doesn't https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers work anymore?
[13:36] <jdoles> ls-al: the AMD website states it adds support for 12.10, not 12.04.
[13:36] <jdoles> ls-al: I meant to paste https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[13:37] <ls-al> jdoles , if it doesn't work on 12.04 so pass over it
[13:37] <jdoles> ls-al: so pass over it?
[13:38] <ls-al> forget about it ?
[13:38] <ls-al> what do catalyst offer that you are needing ?
[13:38] <jdoles> ls-al: this results in data loss and crashes for a very long time already.
[13:38] <jdoles> ls-al: google for resize crash amd and you will see it.
[13:39] <ls-al> ok ill see
[13:39] <ls-al> jdoles , you can install flgrx than
[13:39] <ls-al> then
[13:39] <ls-al> !flgrx
[13:40] <jdoles> ls-al: can you say something in a way that I can understand it and not speak vaguely?
[13:40] <ls-al> !fglrx
[13:40] <ls-al> !fglrx | jdoles
[13:41] <jdoles> ls-al: those instructions are all wrong.
[13:41] <jdoles> ls-al: outdated and wrong.
[13:42] <ls-al> jdoles , pastebin : lsmod output
[13:42] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: which Radeon GPU do you have?
[13:42] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: you are not answering my question.
[13:43] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: if you have a GPU in a certain range you need the legacy PPA fglrx
[13:43] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I have determined that my GPU is compatible. There is no need for you to concern you with that.
[13:43] <ls-al> jdoles , knowing your gpu can help to figure out what is the needed module
[13:43] <jdoles> ls-al: and I don't need your help for that.
[13:43] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: its not a ridiculous question
[13:43] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: no, but you have your answer now.
[13:44] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I want Catalyst 13.1.
[13:44] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: you can now tell me how to install it on precise or precise-updates.
[13:44] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: why don't you just state the gpu.... so much faster than all this back and forth
[13:44] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: or you can say "I will not help you".
[13:44] <seronis> Is anyone available with experience using Eclipse CDT to edit packages? I seem to be misusing the "New -> Makefile Project with existing code" option
[13:44] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: there is no need for you to have that information.
[13:45] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: as such I will refuse to cooperate saying things that are irrelevant to the question at hand.
[13:45] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: as you are too afraid to state, I will simply give you the link
[13:45] <ls-al> jdoles , if ati is not making support for your version of ubuntu , you will not be likely to install it
[13:45] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[13:45] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: knowing your GPU doesn't infringe any security
[13:45] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: known issue with 2xxx 3xxx and 4xxx Radeon GPUs
[13:45] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: does that affect you?
[13:45] <OerHeks> ActionPa1snip +1
[13:46] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: why do I need to install someone's random code and is there not official support for the latest driver?
[13:46] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: because it makes things work......
[13:46] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: if you have one of those GPUs, you need that PPA
[13:46] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I have a newer GPU than that.
[13:46] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: but why is there no official support?
[13:46] <ls-al> jdoles , why aren't you using windows although linux is considered random code based on what are you saying !
[13:47] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: why do I need to install some code from some random dude to make things work?
[13:47] <ls-al> jdoles , coz ati guys are lazy :D
[13:47] <seronis> jdoles,  thats how open source works
[13:47] <jdoles> ls-al: no, Ubuntu guys are lazy.
[13:47] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: its a known bug. I have no idea how or why. I don't buy Ati stuff
[13:47] <jdoles> Other distributions do not have this problem.
[13:47] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: if yours is newer then you are not affected and can simply use jockey to install the driver you need
[13:48] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: just use jockey?
[13:48] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: other distributions may use a different Xorg, driver version and so on
[13:48] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: jockey has never worked.
[13:48] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: Just give me a link to a deb or whatever.
[13:48] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: so the fact it works in other distros is only half as useful as you may think
[13:48] <rcsheets> Is there some way to get a list of all of the pages on the wiki?
[13:48] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: use the additional drivers app and it will install for you
[13:48] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: all I want is Catalyst 13.1.
[13:48] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: what does not compute for you?
[13:49] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic fglrx fglrx-amdcccle; sudo aticonfig --initial
[13:49] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: source: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[13:49] <ActionPa1snip> !info fglrx
[13:49] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: can you provide any evidence that this is really 13.1 or newer?
[13:50] <ls-al> jdoles : This repository provides AMD Catalyst Lagacy 13.1
[13:50] <jdoles> ls-al: and when did I say that I was interested in legacy?
[13:50] <jdoles> ls-al: I did not.
[13:50] <seronis> ActionPa1snip, btw thanks again for the help with 'source' earlier. And bless you for having the patience to deal with people (jdoles) who are so rude about your help
[13:50] <jdoles> ls-al: in fact, I said that I had newer GPU.
[13:51] <demoth> seronis, everyone needs help
[13:51] <ls-al> jdoles , you havn't give as the version number so we can't help you that much
[13:51] <jdoles> seronis: rude? I have asked the same question now more than 8 times and still have not heard anything useful.
[13:51] <ActionPa1snip> seronis: I've got all day :)
[13:51] <seronis> jdoles, on JUST my viewable chat history i can see multiple answers to your question
[13:52] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: I gave a command to install the driver for you.....
[13:52] <seronis> without scrolling back to the beginning of the request
[13:52] <ls-al> if , other distros provide support , you can change just to get the 13.1 in your screen , otherwise there is the open source driver
[13:52] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I already have those installed.
[13:52] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: they do not report 13.1 here.
[13:52] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: they way I tested that was to use amdccle.
[13:52] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I asked you to provide evidence that this would solve the problem.
[13:53] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: such evidence would look like for example a webpage with output on an Ubuntu page containing 13.1.
[13:53] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: I just know the commands from the ATi how to page, I don't buy AMD stuff, I think their support is half assed
[13:53] <ls-al> jdoles , try it , if it doesn't work take another way !
[13:53] <ppp>  /exit
[13:53] <jdoles> seronis: just because you think a question has been answered, doesn't mean, it has been.
[13:53] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: there is the xorg edgers ppa which may have a newer driver but we cannot support it here
[13:53] <rcsheets> jdoles: no one is obligated to help you. people are trying their best.
[13:54] <jdoles> rcsheets: the topic says this is an Official Ubuntu Support Channel.
[13:55] <jdoles> rcsheets: so, it's official, but it's just full of trolls?
[13:55] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: just because you don't get an answer doesn't mean we are trolls
[13:55] <ls-al> jdoles , fuck off , you are not asking in the official way , you are not even providing useful informations , go and learn how to use your computer and be back
[13:55] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: maybe try later....thought of that?
[13:55] <demoth> jdoles, you look more like a troll than others
[13:55] <rcsheets> jdoles: this channel is as official as it gets, but if you need professional support, you should go buy it. this channel is staffed primarily by volunteers. the fact that you are not satisfied with the answers you're getting does not mean anyone is trolling you.
[13:55] <DJones> ls-al: Mind the language
[13:55] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: again, why don't you provide any evidence that what you say is correct?
[13:56] <ls-al> DJones , sorry
[13:56] <delliott> The GUI on my computer occasionally freezes and I cannot figure out what is causing this to happen. I can only move the mouse but nothing happens when I click and keyboard input is not accepted. The only way to fix this problem is to ssh into my machine and kill the gnome-session process. I am using Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Optiplex 790. What steps can I take to debug this problem?
[13:56] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[13:56] <seronis> jdoles, the evidence is  "try it and see if it works"
[13:56] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I already went there.
[13:56] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: BinaryDriverHowto/ATI (last edited 2013-04-21 05:32:35 by hank-ballew)
[13:56] <chipotle> does any version of ubuntu have php5-fpm built into the php5 package, so i don't have to compile from source or use an unofficial repo?
[13:56] <jdoles> seronis: that's not evidence.
[13:56] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: those are the commands I gave and are checked by the Wiki guys.
[13:56] <seronis> yes.  its First Hand Evidence actually.
[13:56] <seronis> the best kind
[13:57] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: did you try step 7 on that page?
[13:57] <Pici> chipotle: the php5-fpm package provides that functionality
[13:57] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: that website does not contain 13.1 anywhere.
[13:57] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I asked you for evidence, you have provided none.
[13:57] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: i give up, you are impossible
[13:58] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: that's just a trolling response.
[13:58] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: no, its exasperation
[13:58] <jdoles> If I ask on ##windows how to install the latest Windows drivers, the answer is: go to the AMD website, download and install.
[13:58] <rcsheets> jdoles: Windows gets slightly better vendor support, for some reason.
[13:59] <jdoles> When I ask it here, I get a list of untested ideas.
[13:59] <usr13_>        This channel is for information, not philosophy
[13:59] <seronis> jdoles, if you want equivilant answer.. the  "Go call amd and complain they dont provide drivers"
[13:59] <jdoles> seronis: sure, give me the number of their development center.
[13:59] <jdoles> seronis: I will call.
[13:59] <seronis> 1 800 Let Me Google That For You
[13:59] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: so unless its tested you arent going to use it
[13:59] <rcsheets> jdoles: This channel is not a phone book. If you're done here, please leave.
[13:59] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: there is 13.4 on the AMD site, or do you specifically need 13.1?
[13:59] <ls-al> i think the open source driver provides support , don't know why people want things that are not explicitly supported
[14:00] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: I don't specially need 13.1
[14:00] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: as long as it is newer than 13.1.
[14:00] <jdoles> ActionPa1snip: >=13.1
[14:00] <ls-al> jdoles : http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amd-catalyst-13.4-linux-x86.x86_64.zip
[14:00] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: then the link in step 7 of the page I gave you has that. You saw the link, right?
[14:01] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: you would get that link that ls-al gave, you've seen that, right?
[14:01] <jdoles> ls-al: and yet the wiki screams that people should not install the binary driver from AMD directly in several places.
[14:01] <jdoles> You cannot say in one place that people should not do something and then on IRC say that people should do something. You need to pick one of the two.
[14:01] <Tritonio> hello. does anyone know which is the proper way to change IO scheduler in an LVM encrpypted installation?
[14:01] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: its just advised, remember the target audience of ubuntu....
[14:01] <ls-al> jdoles , i was able to install it without problems
[14:01] <chipotle> does php5-fpm work in 12.04?
[14:02] <chipotle> it shows an available packages in packages.ubuntu.com
[14:02] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: it doesn't say you cannot, its just advised to use the packages to discourage users
[14:02] <rcsheets> jdoles: There is not some overarching entity that provides consistent advice from the wiki and IRC.
[14:02] <jdoles> rcsheets: what a convenient way to escape any kind of responibility.
[14:02] <rcsheets> jdoles: Literally *anyone* can join this channel and try to help you.
[14:02] <jdoles> rcsheets: +s
[14:02] <demoth> i got it, he is troll
[14:03] <demoth> 100%
[14:03] <rcsheets> so it would seem
[14:03] <ls-al> jdoles , the maximum pain will be in crashes , your gpu won't be burnt
[14:03] <jdoles> I am a troll, because nobody is willing to answer a question which should have a simple answer.
[14:03] <usr13_> jdoles: What is your question?
[14:04] <rcsheets> jdoles: if you require a higher level of support, please go buy it from Canonical. They'll happily take your money and give you lots of attention.
[14:04] <demoth> answer was as simple as download driver from the amd website
[14:04] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: i gave you an answer, the hyperlink ls-al will give you the 13.4 driver which is greater than 13.1 which yo urequire. It is the official driver from the AMD site for your GPU
[14:04] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: what more do you want?
[14:04] <jdoles> usr13_: how to install Catalyst >=13.1 on precise(-updates)?
[14:04] <rcsheets> ActionPa1snip: he wants to use up more of our time, i think.
[14:04] <ActionPa1snip> rcsheets: I have about 60 hours to burn
[14:05] <chipotle> i know in debian stable, php5-fpm does not come standard
[14:05] <chipotle> so i want to make sure
[14:05] <A1Recon> Anyone know a way to access the android phone through ubuntu??
[14:05] <jdoles> usr13_: I am also not sure why you made me repeat that question, since you could just have read the scrollback.
[14:05] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: how else can we advise when we have given the link to the actual driver from the manufacturer site....what more can we do?
[14:05] <Pici> chipotle: it doesn't come by default, but that doesn't make it unstable.
[14:05] <seronis> A1Recon, access how ?
[14:05] <usr13_> jdoles: And you got your answer.
[14:05] <ActionPa1snip> A1Recon: access for what?
[14:06] <A1Recon> ActionPa1snip: usr13_:  The files in Android through the LAN??
[14:06] <ActionPa1snip> A1Recon: you can push them to the box, you may be able to acces it via bluetooth
[14:06] <usr13_> jdoles: Your answer is in:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[14:06] <ActionPa1snip> A1Recon: I just push the files via SFTP to my SFTP server?
[14:06] <demoth> A1Recon, use ftpserver on the phone if it is supported
[14:07] <jdoles> usr13_: it says that that method is NOT RECOMMENDED.
[14:07] <jdoles> usr13_: it doesn't say which method is recommended.
[14:07] <maui> i can't use my favorite software in ubuntu
[14:07] <maui> so i wonder how would ubuntu ever get popular
[14:07] <ls-al> jdoles , please try the not recommended and feedback
[14:07] <A1Recon> ActionPa1snip: The SFTP server is running on the same PC as your Ubuntu?? or a separate one??
[14:08] <adamk> jdoles: It is very possible there is no recommended way to get something newer than 13.1 installed.
[14:08] <llutz> A1Recon: run sshdroid or any other ssh-server on the phone and access it via sftp/ssh
[14:08] <usr13_> jdoles: You seem like an intelligent person, from the information you've been given, you should be able to make that decision on your own.
[14:08] <ActionPa1snip> A1Recon: the same, you can run server apps on a desktop OS
[14:08] <jdoles> adamk: instead of NOT RECOMMENDED, it should then say "THE ONLY WAY TO INSTALL".
[14:08] <A1Recon> ActionPa1snip: OK
[14:09] <jdoles> adamk: NOT RECOMMENDED would suggest there are other ways that are RECOMMENDED.
[14:09] <rcsheets> this is a wiki we're talking about?
[14:09] <jdoles> rcsheets: a wiki which exists, because Ubuntu is not capable to write documentation.
[14:09] <adamk> jdoles: There are recommended ways of installing fglrx. Whether or not they install fglrx 13.1 or higher, I do not know and I do not care.
[14:09] <jdoles> rcsheets: don't twist the facts here.
[14:09] <usr13_> jdoles: It's like asking which Linux distribution is recommended.  That is a philosophical question.
[14:09] <ls-al> jdoles , not true , it is not the only way , you can reverse the process and make it manually , if you think you are smart enough
[14:09] <rcsheets> jdoles: how am I twisting facts by asking whether something is a wiki? it's either a wiki or it isn't.
[14:10] <jdoles> rcsheets: you know what I mean.
[14:10] <rcsheets> jdoles: no, i don't
[14:10] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: yes but 'not recommended' doesn't mean 'never do it ever'
[14:10] <jdoles> rcsheets: and if you don't then there is no point in explaining it.
[14:10] <OerHeks> jdoles so what is your GPU?
[14:10] <ahmadb> Hi . What is the recommended partition size you ?  http://tny.cz/8ffe9ebc
[14:10] <jdoles> OerHeks: can you stop trolling?
[14:10] <jdoles> OerHeks: I don't engage in repeating myself.
[14:10] <jdoles> I will try the NOT RECOMMENDED way.
[14:11] <ActionPa1snip> ahmadb: 10Gb root (not /root) 2.2Gb swap and the rest for /home
[14:11] <OerHeks> jdoles please repeat, because you did not give the answer earlier.
[14:11] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: finally
[14:11] <ls-al> jdoles , It is not recommended to always repsect the not recommended
[14:11] <gordonjcp> !attitude | jdoles
[14:12] <seronis> ahmadb, personally i put swap as 1.5 - 2.0 times the amount of RAM i have, and the rest to '/'.  dont bother beyond that
[14:12] <keith-f> what's the meaning of life?
[14:12] <rcsheets> jdoles: so it's a wiki, and you think it should say something different, and your reaction is to complain about it? go edit the page so it says what you think it should say.
[14:12] <A1Recon> jdoles: OerHeks joined a few minutes ago... And stop being a hothead.....He probably just wants to help... And watch your tone and attitude
[14:13] <rcsheets> jdoles: that is the nature of wikis
[14:13] <jdoles> A1Recon: there are public logs, that's not an excuse.
[14:13] <jdoles> rcsheets: and of course none of the regular people here edit that specific page on the wiki.
[14:13] <rcsheets> jdoles: but you can.
[14:13] <adamk> jdoles: It seems to me that you will not get the answer you want from this channel or that wiki.  Perhaps you would be happier elsewhere?
[14:13] <jdoles> rcsheets: If I would, it means I would enter an edit war.
[14:13] <rcsheets> jdoles: you can improve the situation instead of simply complaining. but instead, you go on complaining.
[14:14] <jdoles> rcsheets: that would subsequently get me banned from the wiki for abuse.
[14:14] <ls-al> jdoles , personly i follow the debian wikis
[14:14] <jdoles> rcsheets: why would I try to edit the wiki again?
[14:14] <delliott> Hi, the GUI on my computer occasionally freezes and I cannot figure out what makes this happen. When the GUI freezes, I can move the mouse but nothing happens when I click and keyboard input is not accepted. The only way I can fix this problem is to ssh into my machine and kill the gnome-session process. I am using Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Optiplex 790. What steps can I take to debug this issue?
[14:15] <rcsheets> jdoles: if you've been banned for abuse, perhaps you should examine whether you are being abusive.
[14:15] <jdoles> rcsheets: I haven't.
[14:15] <jdoles> rcsheets: but that's what happens if you do the same on wikipedia.
[14:15] <seronis> jdoles is either an intentional troll or has too high a sense of self entitlement that he is an un-intintional troll. can we all just ignore him and his !attitude instead of perpetuating chat around him ?
[14:15] <seronis> he cant be satisfied
[14:15] <jdoles> seronis: you missed the part where I would try the NOT RECOMMENDED solution.
[14:16] <rcsheets> seronis: fair point. time for me to learn how /ignore works on irccloud.
[14:16] <jdoles> If you just stop talking to me, that would help.
[14:16] <rcsheets> ooh, that's actually quite nice. it even removes his previous messages.
[14:16] <rcsheets> irccloud++
[14:16] <usr13_> ahmadb: Depending on the size of your hard drive, (or amount of space you are allocating), maybe about 15-20G for / and the rest for home.
[14:16] <seronis> on hexchat /ignore didnt remove his previous comments but it did silence him
[14:17] <ActionPa1snip> delliott: does it happen as a fresh Ubuntu user? Have you tested your RAM using Memtest in Grub?
[14:17] <A1Recon> jdoles stop being an ignorant and ungrateful nincompoop... You asked for help and the way I see it people here are helping you. If you wasnt to be spoon fed go use some other OS like Win 7 or iOS . Stop misbehaving and pissing and moaning about Editing a wiki, or doubting over the help resources the people here give you....
[14:17] <ls-al> seronis , what is the format of ignore on irc ?
[14:17] <maui> i can't log on different server from xchat:/
[14:17] <ActionPa1snip> ls-al: /ignore nick
[14:17] <seronis> ls-al, its client specific i believe.  i just did  /ignore jdoles awhile back
[14:17] <rcsheets> ls-al: it is client specific
[14:18] <ActionPa1snip> maui: sure you can, the default config just uses Freenode
[14:18] <ls-al> and it is working :)
[14:18] <jdoles> A1Recon: I am not the one who is ignorant here.
[14:18] <Tritonio> does anyone know which is the proper way to change IO scheduler in an LVM encrpypted installation?
[14:18] <maui> action, i can, but i have to leave freenode first
[14:18] <usr13_> ahmadb: Or substitute 15-20g for 20-30G if you think you may install lots and lots of apps. It's possible to consume even more, but not likely
[14:18] <delliott> ActionPa1snip: I don't know about it happening with a fresh Ubuntu user and that might take me many days to determine, however, I can quickly Memtest from boot. Be back in 5 minutes.
[14:18] <maui> in mirc you can log to additional networks
[14:19] <A1Recon> jdoles: WOW !! within all that time you spent arguing about help resources, did you even bother to try to solve your problem??
[14:19] <k1l_> maui: its possible with xchat
[14:19] <k1l_> maui: just open a new server tab. thats all
[14:20] <jdoles> A1Recon: I think not supporting major hardware is an Ubuntu problem, not my problem.
[14:20] <ActionPa1snip> delliott: you can make a fresh user real quick
[14:20] <jdoles> A1Recon: I think not having good documentation is an UBuntu problem, not my problem.
[14:20] <jdoles> A1Recon: I also think you should stop talking to me.
[14:20] <ActionPa1snip> jdoles: never had an issue with it
[14:20] <maui> oh yes, i just found out
[14:20] <A1Recon> jdoles: What OS did u use initially??
[14:20] <jdoles> A1Recon: you contribute nothing.
[14:20] <maui> im not yet used to the ui of ubuntu and its software
[14:20] <bellasbells> maui, if you want to create multiple users, you can just create a new network with "irc.freenode.net/8001" (no quotes) as a server, and uncheck the global user
[14:21] <jdoles> A1Recon: so, stop harassing me.
[14:21] <k1l_> maui: that is not about not beeing used to ubuntu
[14:21] <A1Recon> jdoles: What OS did u use initially??
[14:21] <bellasbells> then it will not connect using the username set in the global config
[14:21] <yellabs-r2> hello there
[14:21] <jdoles> I told you to stop harassing me.
[14:21] <yellabs-r2> ?
[14:21] <jdoles> Next time, I will call in ops.
[14:21] <bellasbells> hi yellabs-r2
[14:22] <ls-al> yellabs-r2 , hi
[14:22] <yellabs-r2> i have totem playing dvd, but i cant click & play the dvd menu
[14:22] <troulouliou_dev> hi is plymouth wotking with nvidia proprietary drivers ?
[14:22] <yellabs-r2> i think i need to install some package - tips ?
[14:22] <ActionPa1snip> yellabs-r2: tried keyboard input?
[14:22] <OerHeks> yellabs-r2, did you follow the dvd part of the wiki?
[14:23] <yellabs-r2> no, its playing, just not the menu from the dvd
[14:23] <yellabs-r2> you know, selections
[14:23] <ActionPa1snip> yellabs-r2: try using cursor keys to navigate the menu
[14:23] <yellabs-r2> ok
[14:23] <ActionPa1snip> yellabs-r2: also try different media players
[14:23] <llutz> !info libdvdnav4 | yellabs-r2
[14:24] <yellabs-r2> right , thats the package, forgot all about it.. :P
[14:24] <jones-za_> is there any way to tell gnome to login automatically from cli with gconftool-2
[14:24] <yellabs-r2> thats what you get from never plaing dvd ... lol
[14:25] <ls-al> jones-za_ , gnome 3 ?
[14:25] <jones-za_> gnome 2
[14:25] <maui> what is gnome?
[14:25] <jones-za_> ubuntu 10.04.4
[14:26] <yellabs-r2> hmm, seems to be already installed
[14:26] <ActionPa1snip> jones-za_: Lucid desktop is now EOL
[14:26] <andywork> I have an .iso of 16gb (17,179,869,184 bytes). In Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS the filemanager tells me that this file is 17,2gb. Is this a bug?
[14:26] <jones-za_> thought it was given extended support
[14:26] <yellabs-r2> lets give xine a try
[14:26] <ActionPa1snip> andywork: no, just that 17.1Gb in real storage will show as 16Gb
[14:26] <k1l_> jones-za_: desktop support did drop on may the 9th
[14:27] <ActionPa1snip> jones-za_: no, its dead. Only the server (CLI only) is suppoted
[14:27] <k1l_> !eol | jones-za_
[14:27] <A1Recon> I am really confused between SFTP, Secure FTP and FTPS?? Can someone help??
[14:27] <jones-za_> I know what EOL means holy shit are you serious about telling me what EOL means?
[14:27] <llutz> andywork: thats 16GiB ~ 17.2GB
[14:27] <sdaf> Hello friends!
[14:27] <k1l_> jones-za_: tone it down
[14:27] <yellabs-r2> hi there sdaf
[14:28] <usr13_> jones-za_: They are telling you that you need to upgrade to 13.04
[14:28] <yellabs-r2> nice to see you :)
[14:28] <ls-al> jones-za_ , you will have to enable autlogin from agetty or mgetty than make a startup script that startx X
[14:28] <k1l_> jones-za_: you can upgrade to 12.04 or another supported desktop version. 10.04 is no longer supported on desktop installs
[14:28] <HiddenCloud> lol this guy got owned > http://pomf.cat/admin/
[14:29] <usr13_> jones-za_: 12.04  sorry, I meant 12.04 LTS
[14:29] <sdaf> I want make my own kenel based on Linux me need make fork of Linux yes?
[14:29] <jones-za_> I can't stand Gnome 3 or the Gnome 2 lookalike since it has different functionality
[14:29] <jones-za_> it is not the same as Gnome 2
[14:29] <yellabs-r2> kernel ?
[14:30] <sdaf> yes
[14:30] <usr13_> jones-za_: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:30] <k1l_> jones-za_: thats to tell gnome. they dropped gnome2. :/
[14:30] <yellabs-r2> you can use all the source code, but need to gnu licence your work
[14:30] <jones-za_> I don't want to use xfce either
[14:30] <sdaf> need make new concepts cose Linux is very old kernel
[14:30] <maui> what is a gnomoe
[14:30] <maui> gnome
[14:30] <usr13_> jones-za_: ... just a suggestion, there are several Desktop Environmnets to choose from.
[14:30] <maui> im lost
[14:30] <k1l_> maui: its s desktop enviroment
[14:30] <ls-al> !gnome | maui
[14:30] <jones-za_> I want gnome 2, whether it is support or not, the gconftool-2 command still exists and the setting I need to change is still there
[14:31] <maui> windows does not need gnomes iguess
[14:31] <k1l_> !gnome > maui
[14:31] <maui> i have ubuntu, so i guess i dont have to install a gnome
[14:31] <sonOfRa> Does Ubuntu overwrite the hosts file at each reboot?
[14:31] <sonOfRa> I just noticed some of my changes I made yesterday are gone today
[14:31] <yellabs-r2> sdaf, there are other kernels too
[14:31] <usr13_> jones-za_: Enlightenment, Lxde, OpenBox, etc. etc.
[14:31] <andywork> ActionPa1snip, llutz: thats confusing, but then I come from windowsland
[14:32] <jones-za_> I've tried Enlightenment and Lxde, nothing is the same as Gnome 2
[14:32] <llutz> andywork: not related to any OS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte#Unit_multiples
[14:32] <jones-za_> I believe linus had a rant about this too did he not?
[14:32] <jones-za_> why replace something that isn't broken with something that is? Gnome 2 vs Gnome 3
[14:32] <k1l_> jones-za_: please dont rant in here
[14:32] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[14:33] <k1l_> jones-za_: we gave you your choices. just to rant about gnome3 is not the right adress in here
[14:33] <llutz> jones-za_: because gnome2 was dropped by gnome-devs.
[14:33] <jones-za_> I'm not ranting, I just wanted to know the location of the setting to change autologin in gconf
[14:33] <ShapeShifter499> fabulous, compiz freaked out and crashed trying to install a game in WINE
[14:33] <ls-al> ShapeShifter499 , hi
[14:33] <yellabs-r2> sdaf,  you could , afcause , also do some work to create an better kernel for linux ..
[14:33] <jones-za_> yes I know it was dropped by gnome-devs because unity came out (real reason)
[14:33] <maui> how do i find out which gnome i got with my installed ubuntu?
[14:33] <A1Recon> I am really confused between SFTP, Secure FTP and FTPS?? Can someone help??
[14:34] <ls-al> maui https://www.google.tn/search?q=how+to+know+gnome+version&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[14:34] <llutz> A1Recon: sftp is ftp over ssh (basically), ftps/secure ftp is ftp using ssl
[14:34] <jones-za_> so because ubuntu 10.04 is discontinued, no one knows the location of the autologin setting?
[14:35] <jdoles> jones-za_: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA
[14:35] <A1Recon> llutz: Sftp more secure than ftps??
[14:35] <Pici> llutz, A1Recon: sftp is not really FTP (protocol-wise), but it is used for transferring files.
[14:35] <usr13_> jones-za_: Are you really going to continue on with a system that has reached EOL?
[14:35] <yellabs-r2> A1Recon : http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/internet/difference-between-ftp-and-sftp/
[14:35] <llutz> A1Recon: no, just easier to implement
[14:35] <jones-za_> Linus is not using KDE anymore durrrr
[14:35] <ls-al> jones-za_ , make an autologin for cli , than startx automaticly , otherwise you can use gdm autologin which is easy to find at google
[14:36] <spence> fair
[14:36] <jones-za_> says it's too cartoonish, which it is
[14:36] <Pici> !ot | jones-za_
[14:36] <jdoles> jones-za_: This was just to give you an URL for what you were talking about. What is he using now?
[14:36] <Pici> A1Recon: I'd consider sftp more secure than ftps.
[14:36] <A1Recon> Pici: sftp possible in android and windows??
[14:36] <jones-za_> I don't care what he's using, I know what I'm used to and I know Gnome 3 is crap
[14:36] <Pici> A1Recon: with the right client/server, yes.
[14:37] <jones-za_> trying to copy unity's crap
[14:37] <llutz> A1Recon: run sshdroid or any other ssh-server on the phone and access it via putty/winscp/filezilla
[14:38] <usr13_> jones-za http://namakutux.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-make-xfce-looks-like-gnome-2.html
[14:38] <llutz> A1Recon: or do it other way round: install a ssh-server on your PC and access it from phone using any sftp-client you want (andftp, es-fileexplorer, 100s other)
[14:38] <A1Recon> llutz: filezilla good as ssh server??
[14:38] <llutz> A1Recon: idk
[14:39] <boulderdave> I am trying to mount a linux directory as read/write - but can only achieve read writes (i'm using a Mac host, running ubuntu 12.04 virtualbox guest) -  I've edited /etc/exports and have added "/ 192.168.1.0/24(rw,no_subtree_check,insecure)"
[14:41] <adolphm> hi
[14:41] <adolphm> a question
[14:41] <maui> sure
[14:41] <adolphm> I have installed ubuntu 13.04 with gnome 3.8.1, I installed the gnome extension of places, but when I select an item from the menu, always opens the disk usage analyzer, this is correct?, would not have to open the nautilus to view files ?
[14:41] <jyg> I've create a two partition usb stick, with a large data partition up front (so Windows can see it) and a small partition on the end of the stick with 12.04.02 loaded on it using the boot disk creator in Ubuntu.  However, when I boot from the usb stick, I get the  "machine check error" message.  Haven't been able to find a solution.  I'm supposing that my laptop probably wants the bootable partition for removable usb media to be at the start?  Or is there a way 
[14:42] <ActionPa1snip> adolphm: I suggest you contact the PPA maintainer of the PPA you aded
[14:42] <boulderdave> when I specify gid/uid , it says "uid unkown" and "gid unknown"    (sudo mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 mount_location mount_to_location)
[14:42] <ner0x> Anyone using a dual monitor with one DVI and one VGA having issues with the latest nvidia update?
[14:43] <jyg> ner0x, I was having problem with 12.04.02 i386, wasn't able to solve them... so still using 10.10 on that particular box :p
[14:43] <ls-al> ner0x , what kind of issue ?
[14:44] <adolphm> ActionPalsnip: thanks,
[14:44] <ner0x> ls-al: Says it's not setup to use VGA. I wish I had more info; the computer in question is at home. Just thought I'd pop in to see if anyone knew.
[14:46] <kuba0x21> Hi
[14:46] <ls-al> kuba0x21 , hello
[14:48] <thebishop> ubuntu-steam
[14:52] <mario__>  /join #ubuntu-it
[14:52] <thebishop> "The Canonical developers also admitted that having features like multi-GPU/hybrid support for Mir is a long way out. "  - Mir or no-Mir, the hybrid graphics situation on Linux is getting untenable
[14:53] <auronandace> thebishop: thank the manufacturers, you can continue this topic in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:53] <llutz> Mir is a dead-end road
[14:55] <thebishop> auronandace, thanks
[14:55] <thebishop> auronandace, looks like #ubuntu-discuss is the appropriate channel
[14:56] <delliott> ActionPa1snip: that took much longer than expected but the memory test passed.
[14:56] <Npc> is there some video editing software for ubuntu that i can use to create tiled videos
[14:56] <Npc> i tried this pitivi
[14:56] <rcsheets> Does anyone know if there is some way to get a list of all of the pages on the wiki?
[14:56] <Npc> but it can do it but it's very unstable
[14:56] <thebishop> Npc, i've had the most luck with Kdenlive
[14:56] <abhinav123> all of a sudden when I turn on my computer I get a grub error message with a command prompt. I've tried following the direction to restore grub but I'm getting stuck right away on the command to mount my ubuntu partition. After I type sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt, I keep getting the error message mount: you must specify the filesystem type I can't figure out what to do next
[14:57] <Npc> thebishop: ok, thanks, i'll try that next
[14:57] <away> abhinav123, is it a standard ubuntu partition?
[15:00] <pishuilu> ve
[15:04] <FusionX> how do I install unetbootin  in ubuntu 10.10?
[15:04] <yeats> FusionX: that's EOL, so you'll probably have trouble
[15:05] <FusionX> yeats, can you recommend a software to burn an iso to usb for my version?
[15:05] <yeats> FusionX: you mean for 10.10?
[15:06] <FusionX> yeah
[15:06] <FusionX> startup disk creator isn't accepting my .iso file either
[15:06] <yeats> FusionX: I would recommend upgrading to a supported version and then doing 'sudo apt-get install unetbootin'
[15:07] <FusionX> yeats, yeah that's the last route, but I just want to burn this iso to usb to repair my windows partition
[15:07] <yeats> FusionX: is it an ubuntu iso?
[15:07] <FusionX> no, windows system repair
[15:07] <yeats> FusionX: have you tried using brasero?
[15:08] <yeats> should be installed on 10.10
[15:08] <FusionX> yeats, I'll try that
[15:09] <abhinav123> away it is
[15:10] <abhinav123> it is standard ubuntu partition ..should i try some other partition away
[15:10] <delliott> Hi, the GUI on my computer occasionally freezes. When it freezes, I can move the mouse but nothing happens when I click and keyboard input is not accepted. The only way I can fix this problem is to ssh into my machine and kill the gnome-session process. I am using Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Optiplex 790. What steps can I take to debug this issue? I followed ActionPa1snip's advice and ran Memtest from grub but it found no errors.
[15:10] <jones-za_> is mate supported on ubuntu 12.04?
[15:11] <Thurin1> jones-za_: Nothing but Unity is supported by the company
[15:11] <Thurin1> jones-za_: If you mean can you use it? Sure, I see no reason why not.
[15:11] <Thurin1> You can use whatever you want.
[15:11] <jones-za_> right but it's not offically supported I guess?
[15:11] <Thurin1> jones-za_: Nope
[15:11] <Kostic> Thurin1, I thought that this is the *community* channel.
[15:12] <jones-za_> hmmm I'm getting a headache, thanks for the answer though
[15:12] <Thurin1> Kostic: It is, but I forgot the name of the company that produces Ubuntu.
[15:12] <Thurin1> :)
[15:12] <OerHeks> jones-za_, try the mint channel
[15:12] <OerHeks> !mint
[15:12] <Thurin1> jones-za_: No problem, but yeah, try the mint forums a lot of users there are using it.
[15:12] <Kostic> Thurin1, Microsoft. :P
[15:12] <Thurin1> Kostic: Hah
[15:13] <Thurin1> Canon something
[15:13] <Kostic> Cool. Bot didn't bitch-slapped me for using the micro and soft word.
[15:13] <jones-za_> So is the Ubuntu user base not as strong now days or something because of so many changes everyone is switching to other distros?
[15:13] <Kostic> Thurin1, Canonomazing?
[15:13] <Kostic> Canonostatius?
[15:13] <Thurin1> I switched to Slackware and then Arch a while back... 2009 about.
[15:14] <Thurin1> But I come back to this channel every once in a while because when I was starting out with Ubuntu I got a lot of help here.
[15:14] <jones-za_> yeah there is a lot of help here but it seems like Ubuntu is slowing dying or something
[15:14] <lmat> There's a good VM alternative? Active something? That virtualizes an environment for an alternative OS or something?
[15:14] <Thurin1> jones-za_: It's still a strong base, probably the largest for Linux distros honestly.
[15:14] <Kostic> Thurin1, I have work so I am not able to employ my free time in building arch system. And, I do not need much: Xchat, Firefox, Thunderbird, Skype, Gimp, couple of terminals and Vim. :)
[15:15] <jones-za_> lmat: virtualbox, vmware, lkvm?
[15:15] <baldfat> jones-za_: Just the ups and downs of distros happens all the time just a big down in terms of PR for ubuntu right now
[15:15] <Thurin1> jones-za_: I think that's exagerrated. Some people got mad at Unity and left, which is pretty silly... Ubuntu is Linux.. they could put whatever DE/WM they want.
[15:15] <Kostic> jones-za, Ubuntu is doing fine. ;)
[15:15] <lmat> jones-za_: But not a vm software...like...eh, someone said "Stop messing with VMs, just use active-...[?]"?
[15:15] <Thurin1> The problem I guess is a lot of Ubuntu users are new to linux... so they aren't comfortable leaving the default DE.
[15:16] <jones-za_> I think it has a lot to do with Unity / Gnome 3
[15:16] <Thurin1> jones-za_: Also... when you're at the top you make enemies, like Ubuntu heh.
[15:16] <Kostic> Hah, I actually like Unity. It makes me productive. Also, I use LXDE on other machine and on my Asus eeepc x101 I use ubuntu-server+Xorg+lightdm+XMonad.
[15:17] <Thurin1> jones-za_: I prefer Gnome 3 personally.
[15:17] <Thurin1> But, Unity has potential.
[15:17] <kostkon> guys for general discussion head to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[15:17] <jones-za_> maybe I'm just not used to it at all, I've used Gnome 2 for SOOOO long
[15:17] <kostkon> this is the support channel
[15:17] <Thurin1> Kostic: True sorry about that
[15:17] <Pici> kostkon: Please use #ubuntu-discuss for discussing Ubuntu/Canonical's future
[15:17] <kostkon> :(
[15:17] <kostkon> Pici, you mean Kostic? :P
[15:18] <FusionX> yeats, I have extracted brasero with tar.gz, now how do I install it?
[15:18] <Pici> kostkon: er, not sure ;)
[15:18] <kostkon> :(
[15:19] <yeats> FusionX: er.. it wasn't already installed?
[15:19] <FusionX> yeats, nope
[15:19] <Kion> what is a good program to manage music and an ipod?
[15:19] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: brassero is in a default installl
[15:19] <auronandace> FusionX: why aren't you using brasero from the repos?
[15:19] <abhinav123> while fixing my boot repair problem ..i got this report http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667914/    how should i fix it
[15:19] <ActionPa1snip> Kion: rhythmnbox or banshee
[15:19] <Kion> Thanks ActionPa1snip
[15:19] <FusionX> auronandace, because I'm using ubuntu 10.10
[15:19] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: Maverick is EOL
[15:19] <mariop> Hi, i am trying to install a .deb that conflicts with lots of xorg packages, this happen only on 12.04.2 fresh install and not upgraded from 12.04.1. On the package support forum they asked me to find which dependent package cause the conflict, how can you do that?
[15:19] <auronandace> FusionX: 10.10 is no longer supported
[15:20] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: EOL means zero updates from the repos and zero community support
[15:20] <Kostic> mariop, what program is in .deb?
[15:20] <FusionX> I know, it was the only version I could find to repair my windows partition
[15:20] <mariop> Kostic, panda3D sdk for precise
[15:20] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: there will be a CD burner app in Maverick to, but its not supported any more
[15:20] <mariop> Kostic, this is what i get trying to install with gdebi, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5667896/
[15:21] <FusionX> ActionPa1snip, does it support usb?
[15:21] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: in what way 'support usb'?
[15:21] <auronandace> FusionX: brasero is for iso images (cds and dvds)
[15:21] <FusionX> ActionPa1snip, burn an iso to usb
[15:21] <Kostic> mariop, send them this output. Do they have a support forum or something?
[15:21] <FusionX> auronandace, okay
[15:21] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: you don't need a burner for that, you want unetbootin
[15:22] <FusionX> ActionPa1snip, yeah, I tried ubuntu software centre to install it but it doesn't work since like you mentioned it is EOL
[15:22] <auronandace> FusionX: 10.10 didn't have the software centre
[15:22] <mariop> Kostic, i already posted this output and they asked me to dig deeper with aptitude why-not, this is the thread http://www.panda3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15892
[15:23] <FusionX> auronandace, I can see one in the menu
[15:23] <mariop> Kostic, using aptitude i have been not able to find useful information
[15:23] <OerHeks> !aptitude
[15:23] <Kostic> mariop, sorry, I can't help you with this.
[15:23] <auronandace> FusionX: are you sure you don't mean synaptic?
[15:24] <FusionX> auronandace, oh, sorry, I think it is synaptic but the title says ubuntu software centre
[15:24] <FusionX> anyway, how do I install brasero after extracting the tar.gz?
[15:24] <minimec> FusionX: If you change your /etc/apt/sources.list file, you can still install the old packages for your EOF distro. Like that you could install the software you need...
[15:24] <minimec> FusionX: http://superuser.com/questions/339537/where-can-i-get-therepositories-for-old-ubuntu-versions
[15:25] <auronandace> FusionX: we already told you, you are using an unsupported release, so no support for you here
[15:25] <mariop> Kostic, it seems to be some wrong dependency in the .deb that conflicts only with quantal backports, i think this is a ubuntu problem given that the same .deb works on 12.04.1. Do you know a more specific place where i can ask about this?
[15:25] <auronandace> FusionX: we will happily help you with supported releases
[15:26] <FusionX> minimec, thanks, I'll try that
[15:26] <Kostic> mariop, no.
[15:26] <rcsheets> i found the answer to my question. yay. it's /TitleIndex
[15:26] <minimec> FusionX: Still... I would move to a 'supported' version as soon as possible.
[15:27] <FusionX> minimec, yeah this is temporary
[15:27] <FusionX> auronandace, can you atleast tell me how to install brasero with tar.gz, that's unrelated to the version
[15:27] <auronandace> !checkinstall
[15:28] <delliott> Hi, the GUI on my computer occasionally freezes. When it freezes, I can move the mouse but nothing happens when I click and keyboard input is not accepted. The only way I can fix this problem is to ssh into my machine and kill the gnome-session process. I am using Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Optiplex 790. What steps can I take to debug this issue? I followed ActionPa1snip's advice and ran Memtest from grub but it found no errors.
[15:29] <ActionPa1snip> FusionX: use another PC and download a Precise ISO, make a USB stick using unetbootin and boot to it
[15:31] <seronis> delliott, im using xfce not gnome but google tells me that gnome might have  Ctrl Shift Esc bound to xkill
[15:31] <seronis> might help
[15:31] <chipotle> does ubuntu 11.04 have php5-fpm?
[15:31] <seronis> delliott, actually i see references to both  ctrl-shift-esc and  ctrl-alt-esc
[15:31] <auronandace> chipotle: 11.04 is no longer supported
[15:31] <ActionPa1snip> chipotle: Natty is EOL
[15:31] <chipotle> what about 10.04?
[15:31] <auronandace> chipotle: only on server
[15:32] <troulouliou_dev> hi how can i change the wndows manager laucnched by gdm ?
[15:32] <ActionPa1snip> chipotle: 10.04 desktop is EOL, server is supported
[15:32] <chipotle> ActionPa1snip does 10.04 server have php5-fpm? or can i get it in backports?
[15:32] <delliott> seronis: I must not have been clear. I am looking for advice on what may be causing my GUI to freeze, not how to restart it.
[15:32] <ActionPa1snip> chipotle: search on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[15:33] <chipotle> i am, it doesn't look like it :/
[15:33] <seronis> you were clear.  but might save you a step in temp fix for when it occurs
[15:33] <chipotle> argh
[15:33] <delliott> seronis: okay, that certainly will save time while I seek a fix.
[15:36] <delliott> seronis: ActionPa1snip mentioned that using my computer as a different user might help. Any insight into why that would fix the problem?
[15:38] <seronis> delliott, no idea sorry. im still new and picking up things as I go
[15:39] <auronandace> delliott: not fix the problem but show you whether it is a config problem
[15:39] <auronandace> delliott: if it works with a new user and not with your normal user then that strongly suggests a config problem
[15:40] <delliott> auronandace: would deleting my .gnome2 directory have the same effect?
[15:41] <auronandace> delliott: essentially yes, though i'm not sure why you have one (gnome2 is no longer supported in any release)
[15:42] <auronandace> delliott: but that assumes the problem is located in that directory
[15:42] <delliott> auronandace: Could I have that directory because upgraded from 12.04?
[15:42] <auronandace> delliott: 12.04 never had gnome2
[15:43] <delliott> auronandace: I appear to be storing some data in .gnome2/keyrings
[15:46] <ActionPa1snip> delliott: if you upgraded from Lucid, you may have old data in $HOME
[15:46] <FusionX> minimec, thanks a lot, it works now!
[15:46] <minimec> FusionX: No problem.
[15:47] <delliott> ActionPa1snip: would following this help me remove any data to reset my gnome settings? http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults
[15:50] <OerHeks> when does a newer kernel than  3.8.8 arrive ? big security vulnerability exploited >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM3MjA
[15:51] <guest-5qpKkT> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86. When I try to start chromium-browser from the Terminal it gives the output and program does not start: Failed to move to new PID namespace: Operation not permitted
[15:52] <delliott> guest-5qpKkT: does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1346956
[15:53] <skulltip> to install qt5.0.run, is it recommended to install it via sudo?
[15:54] <skulltip> btw.. the third X3 beta game came out under steam, if anyone is interested
[15:54] <guest-5qpKkT> delliott, I don't have /opt
[15:54] <neekz0r> skulltip: ... thank you
[15:55] <neekz0r> too bad i can't play it today :(
[15:55] <skulltip> i've yet to have time to play reunion
[15:57] <skulltip> guest-5qpKkT: /opt is an obsolete library, you can sudo mkdir /opt
[15:58] <rhys> i recently updated to 13.04. Does anyone know I can connect to a NFS share in nautilus?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> rhys, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[16:02] <rhys> BluesKaj, didn't Nautilus used to have this ?
[16:03] <davemartin> i've configured ssl-based login and disabled root access via ssh.  all good so far, however i want to upload some html files to /var/www/ and can't use sudo when i've logged in with my non-root user with winscp.  is this as simple as adding the non-root user to the www-data group?
[16:03] <llutz> davemartin: yes
[16:04] <llutz> davemartin: just make sure /var/www is group-writable and group-owned by www-data
[16:04] <guest-5qpKkT> exit
[16:04] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/101506/correct-steps-for-adding-user-to-var-www
[16:05] <OerHeks> i love askubuntu :-D
[16:06] <davemartin> excellent.  this is the first server i've configured in that way so wasn't sure.  thank you for the help.
[16:07] <BluesKaj> rhys, once nfs is configured , it shows up in the file manager , yes
[16:07] <rhys> BluesKaj, that isn't what I asked. but hey, nvm. I think I'll just try to downgrade.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> nautilus is a file manager , rhys
[16:09] <rhys> you are correct.
[16:09] <rhys> I want it to manage my files on a NFS share.
[16:10] <seronis> rhys, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[16:10] <seronis> never used it.. looks simple to follow though
[16:11] <BluesKaj> rhys, follow the tutorial I posted above , and you'll be able to access and mangae your files
[16:11] <neekz0r> skulltip: where'd you find the beta?
[16:12] <rhys> BluesKaj, i've been a linux admin for a couple of years now. I'm very familiar with how to access and manage NFS. I was asking about Nautilus. Thanks though.
[16:12] <zamba> i'd like to check if an ip address is in a network.. i see the mention of the netaddr module, but that's not part of the standard library, no?
[16:12] <zamba> eeeh
[16:12] <zamba> wrong #
[16:13] <BluesKaj> rhys, the exported files should show in nautilus
[16:13] <rhys> BluesKaj, I never would have guessed.
[16:14] <skulltip> neekz0r - i paid for X3 reunion package containing the 3 games, was hoping the third one would be available and it wasn't for awhile until last night, showed up in steam as installable
[16:15] <BluesKaj> rhys, ok , nm , I=if you know how NFS works then you shoiuld know how to access them thru nautilus , but I'll leave to figure that out for yourself since you already know about NFS and how it works
[16:16] <ActionPa1snip> zamba: if you have access, you can use nmap to scan the subnet, or simply ping the IP
[16:16] <blopez> I noticed that after upgrading from Precise to Quantal, that my messages icon no longer informs me when thunderbird receives new messages, anyone else come across this?
[16:16] <skulltip> got the GoldBox - http://store.steampowered.com/app/2810/
[16:16] <rhys> BluesKaj, what i was hoping was someone in this channel knew how to get back what the gnome team decided to break, but no such luck.
[16:17] <mdfe> rhys, from the file menu in nautilus, there is a connect to server option - are you saying thats not working with nfs now?
[16:17] <rhys> mdfe, neither nfs:// or network:// work
[16:17] <rhys> there used to be a nice dropdown, now it just gives me a bar.
[16:17] <Malgorath> Hello, I have a i7-2600 processor with 16GB of Ram, 2 2TB HDD as storage and a 60G SSD for OS running. I want to install ubuntu on this box for developing webapps but my concern is that it has a AMD 7870 video card and some googling says that linux and AMD/ATI do not play well to gether.  granted some of these posts where old but I'm wondering if anything has changed on this front?
[16:18] <mdfe> rhys, it's supposed to still work: ah well
[16:19] <ActionPa1snip> Malgorath: the newer ones should be ok
[16:19] <BluesKaj> rhys,` well , i'm a kde user so as far as gnome is concerned if there's a problem I haqven't experienced it.
[16:19] <rhys> BluesKaj, lucky.
[16:20] <rhys> mdfe, http://i.imgur.com/Hforrkh.png
[16:20] <mdfe> rhys, you can get 'nemo' which is a fork of a previous version of nautilus. that will probably sitll have the oldgraphical dropdown
[16:21] <mdfe> rhys, there is also 'gigolo' which I have have from xubuntu, that can do it
[16:21] <mdfe> rhys, actually I don;t know if gigolo can do NFS
[16:22] <Malgorath> ActionPa1snip, should be fine or will run as good as an nvidia card of similiar stats?
[16:22] <mdfe> rhys https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1165564 <-- look at last comment
[16:23] <rhys> [Undecided, Invalid]
[16:23] <rhys> great
[16:23] <rhys> ahhhhh
[16:23] <zamba> ActionPa1snip: it was a python question :)
[16:23] <rhys> great
[16:24] <mdfe> rhys, bacially nfs support seems to have become uninstalled when he upgraded distro. that's npt really a nautilus bug but just in case it happened to you :)
[16:25] <rhys> mdfe, this is what i was looking for. Thanks.
[16:25] <rhys> i thought it was weird since I used NFS on this exact machine before upgrading
[16:28] <g0ran> hi guys, i'm trying to configure l2tp/ipsec vpn following this tutorial. http://blog.riobard.com/2010/04/30/l2tp-over-ipsec-ubuntu/ I did everything right I believe and I cannot connect. Here is auth.log http://pastie.org/7912134 can someone help me understand the problem?
[16:30] <Ashael> good evening
[16:30] <Ashael> can anyone help me with wifi problems on 13.04?
[16:31] <Guest40744> Ashael: describe your problem. It anyone is able to help, he/she will do so
[16:32] <devdaze> xit
[16:32] <devdaze> q
[16:32] <devdaze> exit
[16:32] <Ashael> i installed a new kernel and the wifi option simply disappeared. doesn't appear in network connections etc. I tried re-installing the STA driver, didn't work
[16:33] <MonkeyDust> Ashael  what kernel in what release?
[16:33] <Ashael> 3.9.2 on raring
[16:33] <Ashael> generic kernel
[16:33] <Ashael> not the ubuntu one
[16:33] <MonkeyDust> Ashael  sound unsupported to me
[16:33] <mdfe> check the kernel config to see if it has wifi support
[16:33] <Ashael> how can i revert to the old kernel?
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> Ashael  you've been experimenting, i guess you're on your own, now
[16:34] <mdfe> Ashael: In /boot you probably have a confg-3.9.whatever file.
[16:34] <Ashael> MonkeyDust: I was trying to solve another problem, and that was the suggested solution on several forums :(
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> Ashael  try deleting the current kernel and installing a supported one
[16:34] <mdfe> check that file, to see if there's wifi support
[16:35] <OerHeks> Ashael, first boot in the old kernel, then remove
[16:35] <mdfe> Ashael, next time you build  a kernel, first save the configuration form the old old, and apply it to the new one. it's "make oldconfig" i think
[16:35] <Ashael> ok, ubuntu doesn't go through grub on startup, how do i go through grub to load the old kernel?
[16:36] <mario__> i have a problem E:Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_raring_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en (1), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[16:36] <OerHeks> Ashael, hold shit @ boot to enter grub2 menu
[16:36] <mdfe> hold down shift as it boots
[16:36] <OerHeks> shift *
[16:36] <Ashael> kk
[16:36] <Ashael> thanks
[16:36] <mario__> en español por favor
[16:36] <mdfe> Ashael, what was it you were trying to fix that needed a kernel upgrade in raring?
[16:36] <Ashael> mdfe: HDMI sound
[16:37] <dogbert2> ummmm...silly question...when you install 12.04 LTS, it doesn't allow you to set the root password, or is it something I'm missing (I booted to a shell prompt, mounted / as rw and issued 'passwd root' as a workaround, remounted / as ro, and started...
[16:37] <bluj> hi.. for my particular application, i've run into a kernel bug, known fixed in recent versions. what's the correct way to update my 10.04 kernel, through packaging? a new kernel isn't offered by typical apt-get update/upgrade
[16:37] <mario__> in spanish please
[16:37] <tony90> ciao a tutti
[16:37] <Raccoon1400> looks like my project today is wiping this fedora linux bs and installing ubuntu
[16:38] <tony90> !lista
[16:39] <mdfe> bluj, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[16:40] <bluj> mdfe: not looking to build one.. just want a prebuilt ubuntu kernel package that is "supported"
[16:40] <tony90> !lista
[16:40] <DJones> !piracy | tony90
[16:40] <auronandace> bluj: only what is in the repo is supported
[16:41] <dogbert2> meh...sudo passwd root would have done the job :)
[16:41] <bluj> auronandace: that's why i put in quotes. i think there are other binary kernel packages though, just need to install them explicitly
[16:41] <auronandace> bluj: are you sure the 10.04 server kernel isn't going to get patched for that bugfix?
[16:42] <bluj> auronandace: yes, or at the very least, i can't wait for it.
[16:42] <JonathanMcClare> dogbert2: By default, Ubuntu uses sudo to issue root commands. Use sudo su to switch to a root prompt.
[16:42] <auronandace> !mainline | bluj
[16:42] <bluj> thx
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> !es
[16:43] <Ashael> ok, i'm back on my old kernel (3.8 supported) but wifi is still off :(
[16:43] <mdfe> when is 10.04 eoL?
[16:43] <OerHeks> mdfe 10.04 desktop is EOL, server is still supported for 2 years
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> mdfe  it already is, for the desktop
[16:44] <OerHeks> !10.04
[16:44] <DJones> mdfe: Server or Desktop? Desktop went eol last week
[16:44] <mdfe> Ashael, Please forgive me for asking , but is there a button on the laptop you press to enable the wifi?
[16:44] <mdfe> thanks guys
[16:44] <Ashael> mdfe: fair question. fn + F5
[16:45] <mdfe> Ashael, you might need to toggle it (on ->off->back on)
[16:45] <Ashael> and no, it doesn't work.
[16:45] <seronis> mdfe, i've even seen some laptops with slider switches
[16:45] <mdfe> seronis, i still press sliders ... just sideways :P
[16:45] <seronis> that were in addition to the fn+key combos
[16:45] <dogbert2> mdfe, on most newer laptops, yeah...my older ACER pretty much runs wifi all the time, and it does have a slider switch...<shrug>...I guess the button is for the power consumption from wifi (dunno)
[16:46] <mdfe> dogbert2, power and security, i believe
[16:46] <dogbert2> mdfe...probably more power than security :)
[16:47] <mdfe> some enterprise or government sales etc will insist the device can be physically disabled
[16:47] <Ashael> how do i remove a kernel?
[16:47] <Stripe_> any ideas when ubuntu will work with nvidia graphics?
[16:47] <ebernhardson> have an odd issue.  I'm on ubuntu 12.04 (precise, according to /etc/apt/sources.list).  I have a dual screen setup and want to turn off 'Sticky Edges'  but that option does not exist in my All Settings->Display window: http://i.imgur.com/9EF7zvk.png
[16:47] <mdfe> Ashael, look in /boot and /lib/modules - remove the old ones
[16:48] <mdfe> Ashael, you'll probably have to run grub setup again
[16:48] <Ashael> Stripe_: I think CCSM is the easiest way to do that
[16:49] <dogbert2> so I can pound away as root now in ubuntu...muhahaha
[16:50] <mdfe> dogbert2, ?
[16:50] <Ashael> how do i update grub, again?
[16:50] <uvala> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop  when you select 64bit for 13.04.  on this page, site offline appears
[16:51] <mdfe> Ashael, i think it is sudo upgrade-grub to get it to re-scan the kernels
[16:51] <SolarisBoy> Ashael: update-grub
[16:51] <Ashael> upgrade or update?
[16:51] <Ashael> thanks
[16:51] <SolarisBoy> date
[16:51] <seronis> uvala, showing up fine for me currently
[16:51] <seronis> try again ?
[16:51] <mdfe> upDATE sorry
[16:52] <Ashael> k, thanks.
[16:52] <Ashael> and now I'm stuck with the wifi problem again :(
[16:52] <seronis> uvala, and nvm. its the page AFTER that which is offline
[16:53] <uvala> seronis, 64bit for 13.04 selected and shown fine?
[16:53] <seronis> for me it went to the 'pay' page properly
[16:53] <tony90> ciao
[16:54] <dogbert2> mdfe, I actually like doing this when I need root: su - <enter> as opposed to sudo
[16:54] <seronis> selecting 64bit worked to load the pay page.  the page after that is down for me though
[16:54] <tony90> !litsa
[16:54] <seronis> uvala, hmm.. and reloading worked.  iso downloading
[16:54] <seronis> server is likely just under heavy load
[16:55] <uvala> hmm..stranger than paradise
[16:55] <uvala> possibly
[16:55] <Ashael> ha!
[16:55] <Ashael> solved it!
[16:55] <Ashael> re-installed packages under old kernel.
[16:55] <Orphis> So, I was on 12.10 and tried to create a fedora chroot. There was a bug and after searching for it, there was some reports that it was fixed in 13.04. So I upgraded, and now, yum doesn't work at all
[16:55] <Ashael> thanks guys, later
[16:55] <mdfe> dogbert2, su doesnt get you sandwiches
[16:56]  * Ashael patpat mdfe 
[16:56] <Orphis> It's like pycurl doesn't work and yum hasn't been tested
[16:56] <uvala> seronis, I didnt reckon with that a site might partially go offline when under heavy load..
[16:56] <seronis> odd, it is
[16:56] <Gemclip> would someone be willing to help a newbie installing a sound driver. I am using Mint 14 KDE in VMWare workstation 9
[16:56] <tony90> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/
[16:57] <llutz> !mint | Gemclip
[16:57] <mdfe> Orphis, i am interested: why a chroot not a vm?
[16:58] <Gemclip> i do a lspci -v and get 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02) but when i do aplay -l no cards are found
[16:58] <Orphis> mdfe: Because a chroot is faster to spawn than a VM
[16:59] <Orphis> And all my buildagents environment are chrooted, I don't want to add a VM just for fedora
[16:59] <Gemclip> I did a manual build and install but its not taking
[16:59] <llutz> Gemclip: read what ubottu just told you
[16:59] <Gemclip> sorry didnt see it. Thanks
[17:01] <l_r> how can i unlock a guest session?
[17:01] <l_r> what's the password?
[17:04] <Kion> how do I open a webdav server with the file manager?
[17:04] <tony_lech_> Just reinstalled Ubuntu 13.04, and now or takes 10 minutes to boot! How can I diagnose?
[17:05] <tony_lech_> Just sits on the pre-lightdm "Ubuntu" splash
[17:07] <Raccoon1400> tony_lech: look for the bootlog. Not sure where to find it but that should tell you where it is hanging. Or disable splash and see where it hangs
[17:08] <ToyImp> msg nickserv identify kroe
[17:08] <bitnumus> Hi, i am using document viewing on a PDF, its an application form, and only some parts of my input are being saved?
[17:09] <IdleOne> ToyImp: You are going to want to change your nickserv password
[17:10] <ToyImp> yeah workin on it
[17:10] <ToyImp> effin keyboard
[17:10] <sifu_> in the remote login what do i put as server url?
[17:10] <Orphis> mdfe: I manually edited urlgrabber with a workaround for this issue
[17:11] <l_r> is there a way to unlock a guest session?
[17:19] <Guest21696> anyone know how i can install refit?
[17:19] <prodnix> Hi all, I cant seem to mount a logical volume. I have other logical volumes on the drive which mount and work.  EXT4-fs (dm-0): error loading journal. Any ideas?
[17:21] <zooko> Folks: can I install onto a separate, currently-unused partition, and make that partition bootable and so forth, using this partition that already works? What's the tool or howto for that?
[17:21] <zooko> (Reason: I want to try a different filesystem for my root partition.)
[17:23] <llutz> zooko: so you want to clone your current / to a different partition? use rsync, edit fstab after finishing, and rewrite grub
[17:24] <whoever> hi all how do you copy file contents from one file to anoter  ie cp a >> b
[17:24] <llutz> whoever: cp a b
[17:24] <boggle> UpdateManagerWarningForUnity3D warning when upgrading 12.04 --> 12.10 on Lenovo ideapad U410 -- http://pastebin.com/tTj6azQv
[17:25] <sw0rdfish> hi guys can I somehow disable firefox or something.... my old laptop is having hardware issues or something f1 button fires up by itself so when I'm on xchat all of a sudden firefox opens with 50+ tabs of the docs page of xchat which is opened by pressing F1
[17:25] <sw0rdfish> and that was causing the laptop to overheat and crash
[17:25] <darthanubis> just remove firefox
[17:26] <darthanubis> or change the default browser
[17:26] <zooko> llutz: okay, thanks. Sounds doable. But will rsync fix up all sorts of things like hardlinks, random device inodes from /dev/, etc?
[17:26] <zooko> llutz: have you ever done that yourself?
[17:26] <zooko> I think I should just figure out what scripts Ubuntu runs to install and run that from my working partition.
[17:26] <llutz> zooko: rsync -aux / /new-root             and yes, i've done that. you don't copy /dev, /sys etc.
[17:27] <gordonjcp> sw0rdfish: in the control panel, Keyboard -> Shortcuts and undefine whatever F1 is
[17:27] <sw0rdfish> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[17:27] <Guest21696> im running "test ubuntu before installing" on my macbook using a USB stick .. i tried to install it but i wont start anything .. has anyone here installed ubuntu on his macbook?
[17:28] <gordonjcp> Guest21696: yes, on an oldish macbook
[17:28] <sw0rdfish> control panel of what? gordonjcp
[17:28] <gordonjcp> sw0rdfish: Ubuntu
[17:28] <Guest21696> gordonjcp: advice?
[17:28] <darthanubis> Guest21696, don't know why in the world I would do so
[17:28] <gordonjcp> Guest21696: use Refind
[17:29] <zooko> llutz: so when does /dev get populated?
[17:29] <zooko> Does it get fixed up automatically on boot if it is empty ?
[17:29] <llutz> zooko: at boottime, udev creates it
[17:29] <gordonjcp> Guest21696: that'll take care of multibooting
[17:30] <zooko> llutz: cool, thanks.
[17:36] <Raccoon1400> what driver is recommended for an nvidia card (9800GT)?
[17:38] <vanishing> hi guys
[17:38] <vanishing> has anyone tried the ck patch with 3.9 ubuntu kernel?
[17:38] <vanishing> i ran into an implicit declaration of function ‘nsecs_to_cputime64' warning while compiling
[17:39] <vanishing> any help?
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> vanishing  there was a guy who tried 3.9, he asked how to undo the installation
[17:39] <vanishing> MonkeyDust: he tried to patch the 3.9 kernel with ck patch?
[17:40] <MonkeyDust> vanishing  not sure, what I remember is: 3.9 didnt work well
[17:41] <vanishing> MonkeyDust: I see..
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> vanishing  I scrolled up, it was a HDMI issue
[17:43] <vanishing> MonkeyDust: i rarely use HDMI, so that should be much of a problem for me
[17:43] <vanishing> but anyways..thanks, I guess I'll do some more research..
[17:45] <Maple__> I've just switched to Ubuntu and I'm having a love affair with it <3
[17:45] <Maple__> Well, not literally, but...
[17:46] <zooko> ☺
[17:46] <zooko> ❤
[17:46] <Maple__> (:
[17:46] <Maple__> <3
[17:47] <genii-around> Maple__: Welcome aboard
[17:47] <Maple__> Yay! Now to learn some basics. tbh, I changed 'cos cygwin didn't have sudo and that pissed me off since I needed sudo a lot ;>
[17:48] <wilee-nilee>  Maple__ This is support not your story.
[17:48] <Maple__> ja
[17:52] <Hulk> yop
[17:53] <el3ven> hello
[17:54] <Hulk> Loul
[18:06] <pedrocr> is there any way of updating all the alternatives a given package provides to be of higher priority than another package provides?
[18:07] <pedrocr> I want to have ruby 1.9.1 be higher priority than ruby1.8 without having to specify all the slave alternatives necessarily
[18:10] <A1Recon> is there a chat room here to discuss about IRC ??
[18:10] <troulouliou_dev> hi when i m starting cinnamon from gdm; it randommly hangs on startup and gnome-settings-daemon is taking 100% cpu on 1 core
[18:10] <troulouliou_dev> anybody have an idea ?
[18:11] <Malgorath> I install ubunt 13.04 to my laptop but I want to remove it from the system. is there a easy way to get paste the boot menu, its not letting me boot into windows 8 anymore
[18:12] <OerHeks> !alis | A1Recon
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> A1Recon  you can discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:22] <Nothing_Much> Is there a channel for Ubuntu discussions or something?
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> Nothing_Much   you can discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:23] <Guest21696> ive screwed up refit and overwrote mac os .. now im on ubuntu live disc .. what to do
[18:23] <Guest21696> refit seems to just work from mac
[18:23] <Nothing_Much> Oh nice, thanks
[18:23] <ohnoididitagain> hello, my Skype doesn't work. I tried the sudo commands from askubuntu.com but they didn't help either. please help me connect with my family again :]
[18:23] <LucidGuy> In production environments, are "Enterprise" distros still dominant? Like RHEL.. or is Ubuntu catching on?
[18:24] <Nothing_Much> LucidGuy, I think Ubuntu is mostly focused on Consumers rather than Enterprise markets
[18:26] <OerHeks> LucidGuy, you can get enterprise support from canonical., so the answer is yes.
[18:26] <Inspiral> Hey guys, I asked this in linux too, but I have a problem getting nfs shares to work on 13.04 please see the paste: http://pastebin.com/AuQuJ2Lw
[18:26] <nedbat> I have a question about setuid: I want my www-data user to be able to spawn a subprocess and setuid to another user, but the operation is not permitted.  I assume this is because www-data doesn't have enough rights.  Can I make this work somehow?
[18:29] <MonkeyDust> nedbat  is that a server? if yes, there's also #ubuntu-server
[18:29] <nedbat> MonkeyDust: i didn't realize this channel was primarily desktop, thanks
[18:30] <ohnoididitagain> anybody could help with fixing skype please?
[18:31] <Ari-Yang> ohnoididitagain, did you try uninstalling it and installing it again?
[18:31] <z0ran> i have ubuntu 12.04 on amd64, i dont know why, but every time i live computer it restart itself, while im working eveything is ok, but as soon i leave it for more than 10 min it restart it self...any idea why is this happening...please
[18:31] <ohnoididitagain> Ari-Yang, how to do that?
[18:31] <MonkeyDust> ohnoididitagain  i use it and have to fix it regularly, let's hear it
[18:35] <Malgorath> I install ubunt 13.04 to my laptop but I want to remove it from the system. is there a easy way to get paste the boot menu, its not letting me boot into windows 8 anymore
[18:35] <wilee-nilee> z0ran, You sure it is not hibernating.
[18:35] <Enich> it seems like the people in #python are so active that my question sorta drowned, so i hope you guys might be able to help.   i would like to send a carriage return to my serial console.  i dont want to do  ser.write('\r\n')      The reason is taht i am setting up a script to configure newly unpacked devices, and the default login is admin and password is blank.     so when i try to do a ser.write() etc, it does nothing.    Any idears ?
[18:35] <llutz> Malgorath: boot from windows-cd and rewrite bootloader/mbr
[18:36] <Malgorath> llutz, no windows boot disc, its recovery disks only
[18:36] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there any Short-cut to turn off the display? I have ubuntu 13.04
[18:36] <nedbat> Enich: you said, "I don't want to do ser.write".  Why not?
[18:37] <Enich> nedbat,   well i guess its not about not wanting.. more that it doesnt work when  i do it like that
[18:37] <nedbat> Enich: you don't get a \n\r on your serial port?
[18:37] <llutz> Malgorath: you'd better ask in ##windows how to fix the bootloader then
[18:38] <nedbat> Enich: also, why do you think your device wants \n\r and not just \n ?
[18:38] <Malgorath> llutz, and they say, it was ubuntu that did it, ask there
[18:38] <z0ran> wilee-nilee, all my open applicatios are gone when this happen, is it same thing happening in hiberantion...or
[18:38] <Enich> ser.write('admin\n')<---this works, it writes admin and so forth...that one --->  ser.write('\n') simply hangs..  iv tried with \n\r  also ..but nothing
[18:39] <Enich> \r\n
[18:39] <Enich> it might just be one of these stupid things, im not sure
[18:39] <llutz> Malgorath: http://superuser.com/questions/460762/how-can-i-repair-the-windows-8-efi-bootloader
[18:39] <nedbat> Enich: sorry, I don't know.
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> z0ran, check settings-power and how it is set.
[18:39] <noiro> Is chrome not in the official repositories?
[18:39] <llutz> Malgorath: maybe that gives an idea
[18:40] <subnetwi> anyone here have experience with ubuntu netinstall
[18:40] <subnetwi> i'm having a few problems with dhcp and pxe
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> noiro, Chrome is google.
[18:40] <subnetwi> keep getting pxe error: nodhcp offers were received
[18:40] <Malgorath> llutz, thanks for the link but again no windows 8 boot cd, the recovery dvds only allow it to boot directly into restore
[18:40] <subnetwi> and i thought i got tftp,dhcp running properly but evidently that is not the case
[18:40] <noiro> wilee-nilee: so....I can't apt-get it?
[18:41] <Myrtti> noiro: sure you can
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> noiro,Not I never use it, however if you install it from google it updates havng added a link in your sources.list.d
[18:42] <Myrtti> noiro: you can either use chromium which is in the repositories, or go to chrome.google.com and get it from there, the debian package should add the sources for updates to sources.list.d automatically
[18:42] <subnetwi> if anyone could help me out, possibly walk me through this netinstall that would be greatly appreciated, i've tried it from several machines and always the same problem, 'no dhcp offers received' on the client machine i'm trying to install ubuntu on
[18:42] <gordonjcp> subnetwi: what happens if you set up the network manually, can you ping anything?
[18:42] <subnetwi> i've read through several manuals on the process and i've followed them bit by bit
[18:43] <subnetwi> gordonjcp: well the client machine i'm trying to install ubuntu on has no OS at all so couldnt do that from there, but yes i can ping from the host machine
[18:44] <subnetwi> i'm not quite sure why its saying no dhcp offers received as I do have dhcp and tftpd both running
[18:44] <subnetwi> and i'm at a loss at this point, because i tried 3 different methods to netinstall and they all failed for me with the same error
[18:46] <ToyImp> 55588
[18:48] <Aspire-Revo-User> Om theres like 17k people idling in this channel
[18:48] <ToyImp> 1.7k*
[18:48]  * betrayd is one of them american idles
[18:49] <ToyImp>  
[18:51] <Ari-Yang> is there a terminal command to check the current setting of cpu governor?
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> cpu governor?
[18:52] <Trmak> Am I in the right place for trying to get my quad monitor setup working on Ubuntu?
[18:53] <llutz> Ari-Yang: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[18:53] <Ari-Yang> thanks
[18:54] <ToyImp> 'iu
[18:54] <Enich> nedbat,   Figured it out now.. it came down to the protocol and how the device communicates that it is ready for a new command.... 9600 takes time
[18:55] <NASD_Tech> good afternoon... is anyone able to offer some assistance with VSFTPD
[18:56] <boggle> UpdateManagerWarningForUnity3D warning when upgrading 12.04 --> 12.10 on Lenovo ideapad U410 -- http://pastebin.com/tTj6azQv
[18:56] <boggle> UpdateManagerWarningForUnity3D when upgrading 12.04 --> 12.10 on Lenovo ideapad U410 -- http://pastebin.com/tTj6azQv
[18:56] <Ari-Yang> what cpufreq do you recommend for a laptop between these 2 governors: ondemand or conservative?
[18:57] <llutz> Ari-Yang: ondemand
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> ah, conservative I think is more graceful in the sense of switching between low and high freq it looks like
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> from what I'm reading anyway
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> it's similar to ondemand
[18:58] <llutz> Ari-Yang: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt   2.4/2.5
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> @ llutz lol I already have that page up, thanks anyway
[19:00] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there any Short-cut to turn off the display? I have ubuntu 13.04
[19:00] <Ari-Yang> I think I'll go with conservative for a while.
[19:01] <llutz> Ari-Yang: i'd go with ondemand, because it switches a bit faster -> more powersaving (if i get that right)
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> but wouldn't switching faster be a bit.... buggy?
[19:03] <Ari-Yang> but conservative might not be as responsive as ondemand...
[19:03] <llutz> Ari-Yang: i don't see why (but i always use "powersave" with my notebook)
[19:04] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there any Short-cut to turn off the display? I have ubuntu 13.04
[19:04] <Ari-Yang> llutz, powersave makes it use the lowest freq at all times?
[19:05] <IsmAvatar> Hey folks, I'm having trouble getting U12.10 to detect a disk in the cd/dvd drive.
[19:05] <llutz> Ari-Yang: more "it switches freqs down as fast/often as possible"
[19:05] <Ari-Yang> this notebook is 931MHz, that's the min, so Powersave governor will keep it that min at all times yes?
[19:05] <Ari-Yang> oh, so it does increase? I see...
[19:05] <llutz> Ari-Yang: nope
[19:06] <llutz> arghh, sry i told nonsense... i mixed there something different. ignore me
[19:06] <Ari-Yang> llutz, so powersave allows the freq to increase, but it decreases as soon as possible when it doesn't need power anymore?
[19:06] <Ari-Yang> oh okay..
[19:06] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there any Short-cut to turn off the display? I have ubuntu 13.04
[19:07] <llutz> Ari-Yang: see link above, 2.2
[19:08] <Ari-Yang> yeah, I'll use conservative for the time being.
[19:08] <gnat_x> hi folks. what's the recommended way to install with full disk encryption and lvm in 12.04. i'm helping a coworker, but this looks nothing like debian expert mode to me ;-P
[19:08] <jak2000> hi
[19:08] <jak2000> hi all, i have a HDD (1TB) with 1 folder named Musik the size of this folder is: 400GB i want clone, or copy this folder to other HDD (500GB) how to? any tool? (i try HddClone but cant because the source is more bigger than target, thanks
[19:08] <Ari-Yang> my cpu might not be able to switch really fast with ondemand
[19:09] <aproposnix> Hi. Does anyone know how to install Chromium builds from zip so that it's available for all users on the system? For the life of me I cannot figure it out.
[19:09] <A1Recon> mojtaba: I may be wrong but some days ago were you asking for Android-ubuntu file transfers? If yes, then was your problem solved??
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> jak2000, Are you using ubuntu?
[19:10] <jak2000> wilee-nilee yes
[19:10] <mojtaba> A1Recon: Hi there. Actually no, it just allow me to login anonymously.
[19:10] <jak2000> a live cd
[19:10] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there any Short-cut to turn off the display? I have ubuntu 13.04
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> jak2000, You started this question in ##windows.
[19:11] <jak2000> wilee-nilee yes
[19:11] <jak2000> i want search/lookign other way if one fail
[19:11] <jak2000> *looking
[19:13] <jak2000> wilee-nilee any advice?
[19:13] <jak2000> the dd command not work... no eerror but not copy anything
[19:14] <A1Recon> mojtaba: You can see something here http://oldpapyrus.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/turn-screen-off-on-ubuntu/              The command is    "$ xset dpms force off "  but I have never used it before and I can't vouch for it...use it with *CAUTION* !!
[19:14] <A1Recon> mojtaba: Do you use a laptop??
[19:15] <mojtaba> A1Recon: Yes
[19:15] <elisa87> Is there any better way to search for a word in whole the files and directories inside a directory than this? grep -irn "dyIPC" *
[19:15] <tucemiux> hi, anyone knows if ubuntu plays nice with nvidia gtx 660 ??
[19:15] <plumblum> hi im getting very slow transfer speeds on disks that gave around 70-80MB on windows is now giving 10MB
[19:15] <plumblum> any cluse ?
[19:15] <A1Recon> mojtaba: Did you follow the link I gave you??
[19:15] <mojtaba> A1Recon: I am looking at it. Do you know how can I assign shortkey to a command?
[19:16] <jak2000> wilee-nilee the dd command not work... no eerror but not copy anything
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> jak2000, I would not dd that.
[19:16] <A1Recon> mojtaba: Apparently the command gives some problems. Plz google the command to continue your research....
[19:16] <jak2000> wilee-nilee anyway?
[19:16] <jak2000> any way?
[19:17] <mojtaba> A1Recon: Ok thanks
[19:17] <wilee-nilee> jak2000, I would mopve it with rsync using grsync if the destination s as big or bigger then the original.
[19:17] <llutz> jak2000: rsync -au /path-to/Music /mount-point/other-hdd/
[19:17] <A1Recon> mojtaba: I would have helped you more but I don't know more about it. Hope I helped..
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> or just copy and paste it with gparted, no matter what it will take awhile and I would preserver the original.
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> preserve*
[19:18] <micol> hi!
[19:18] <micol> !list
[19:19] <A1Recon> mojtaba: You might find this more helpful.... http://askubuntu.com/questions/38776/trigger-screensaver-off-monitor
[19:20] <mojtaba> A1Recon: Thanks man
[19:20] <A1Recon> Hey I have seen ubottu use that word "warez"? What exactly is that?
[19:20] <mojtaba> A1Recon: I really appreciate your help
[19:20] <ToyImp>  '
[19:20] <elisa87> How can I search for a word inside all the files (which might be in subdirectories of a directory) ?
[19:21] <A1Recon> elisa87: Go here if you want  http://askubuntu.com/questions/39200/how-to-search-for-files-containing-specific-word
[19:22] <IsmAvatar> Hey folks, I'm having trouble getting U12.10 to detect a disk in the cd/dvd drive.
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> elisa87  grep -r "some_text" *
[19:23] <plumblum> hi im getting very slow transfer speeds on disks that gave around 70-80MB on windows is now giving 10MB, any clues ?
[19:23] <A1Recon> Hey I have seen ubottu use that word "warez"? What exactly is that? Please I really wanna know
[19:23] <jiffe99> with upstart, how would I run a specific command to stop a service in the upstart script?
[19:24] <A1Recon> elisa87: Was your problem solved??
[19:24] <ToyImp> \
[19:25] <OerHeks> plumblum, from fat32/ntfs/ext3/ext4 to ntfs/ext3/ext4 ?
[19:25] <elisa87> A1Recon: it is giving me the same results as grep -irn "text" * ! I am pretty sure those variables should be defined somewhere in the package but I can't find them! So basically I am not sure if grep -irn or -r are precise enough or what can solve my problem
[19:26] <plumblum> OerHeks, from nts to ext4
[19:26] <plumblum> ntfs *
[19:26] <A1Recon> elisa87: locate {part_of_word} ??
[19:26] <volitek_> Hi, I've got a new motherboard, and I can't seem to boot from USB properly. I get past the 'try ubuntu' bit but it falls into a BusyBox shell and says 'unable to find a medium containing a live file system'. If I try installing windows from usb it tells me it's missing cd/dvd drivers. The strange thing is I was able to boot into an ubuntu live usb a couple days ago but now I get this issue!
[19:26] <jak2000> llutz thanks
[19:26] <volitek_> The motherboard is an ASUS Sabertooth 990fx
[19:27] <v0lksman> hello all!  I have an nvidia gt220 that has 1 Analogue, 1 Digital and 1 HDMI output on it.  I've been happily using the analogue and digital outputs for a twinview dual display.  I now want to connect a third monitor via the HDMI slot.  I have it plugged in etc but the nvidia gui is complaining when I try to enable it with this message: MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than 2 active display devices
[19:27] <v0lksman> how do you go about fixing this and enabling the third monitor (is it even possible?)
[19:27] <OerHeks> plumblum, oke, that is looking normal, got same speeds tram ntfs to ext4, windows does not that fast to ext3/ext4 too.
[19:29] <plumblum> so its normal to more than get half my speed :/
[19:29] <plumblum> that kinda sucks
[19:30] <A1Recon> elisa87: The Linux Command Line (book) has some pretty good things about finding stuff.... But of course, if you know all of that(using the terminal) already then it's not gonna be of much help..
[19:31] <K4k> I'm trying to install using a ks.cfg and I have specified an install url to use during install. Would this url point to the /pub/ubuntu directory on the mirror where I see "dists", "indices", "ls-lR.gz", "pool", "project" and "ubuntu" files and directories or somewhere else?
[19:32] <A1Recon> Good bye everyone!! And folks in the US, enjoy the season finale of Arrow!!
[19:32] <K4k> I ask because, though I've specied the installed url, I still have to do apt-get upgrade after the install completes. If it was installing from the network mirro, I would think it would already be up to date, no?
[19:34] <plumblum> OerHeks, so just because im tranfering over the network to a ubuntu machine through samba i should excpect and huge decrease in speed, any way to improve it ?
[19:34] <luke_> ok so i have an issue, hope someone can help. i have an acer aspire a3 711G, graphics card is a 1gb nvidia geforce gt 630M, Im having issues getting the correct drivers that work with ubuntu 12.04. I can use the laptop fine at the moment but it has problems installing and playing games, any help would be great!!
[19:34] <OerHeks> plumblum, lots of small files? zip them first improves speed.
[19:35] <plumblum> OerHeks, nope large ones :/
[19:35] <kdeuser^> luke_: HAve you tried using the additional drivers option?
[19:35] <j0su3> hi guys, i'm having a problem with ubuntu 13.04 in a brand new desktop Dell whith amd radeon 7440. When i try to login it stops in a orange screen and stands there. Any ideas?
[19:36] <luke_> kdeuser: yes it shows nothing
[19:36] <kdeuser^> luke_: Have you checked the nvidia home page if they have an official driver for Linux?
[19:36] <v0lksman> kdeuser^: they do
[19:37] <luke_> yes i installed the driver nvidia recommended however after rebooting it was stuck on 6400x480 resolution and unable to change it
[19:37] <kdeuser^> j0su3: Probably a graphics driver issue. Are you able to switch to the command line? Ctrl + Alt + 1=
[19:37] <luke_> yes
[19:37] <adamk> Are you sure this laptop doesn't use optimus?
[19:38] <sysdoc> luke_ nvidia-settings opened as root is where you adjust the nvidia's settings
[19:38] <sysdoc> luke_ sudo nvidia-settings... :)
[19:38] <adamk> luke_: Does 'lspci | grep -i vga' list two video cards?
[19:38] <luke_> Ill try that now, it is an optimus one
[19:38] <adamk> luke_: Then you can't just install the nvidia driver.,
[19:39] <adamk> luke_: You have to use bumblebee.
[19:39] <dragonkeeper> luke_ http://bumblebee-project.org/
[19:39] <luke_> yes it shows 2 graphics cards,   trying bumblebee now
[19:41] <v0lksman> looks like bumblebee really just manages power consumption and still relies on the right driver already being installed for the card
[19:41] <elisa87> does grep -r "some-text" * search through hidden files as well?
[19:41] <v0lksman> https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Supported-drivers
[19:41] <v0lksman> elisa87: .* would
[19:42] <vitimiti> hi
[19:42] <v0lksman> luke_: under System Settings -> Software & Updates last tab is Additional Drivers.  There is nothing listed in there?
[19:43] <luke_> no nothing listed under additional drivers
[19:43] <v0lksman> do you have universe/restricted/multiverse enabled?
[19:44] <subnetwi> can anyone suggest the best netboot method for me, i'm having some issues with the ubuntu tutorials
[19:44] <alex_fun> is there hosting channel?
[19:44] <alex_fun> to talk about hosting
[19:44] <v0lksman> alex_fun: ubuntu-server?
[19:44] <luke_> volksman, how would i check for this?
[19:45] <v0lksman> luke_: first tab Software & Updates
[19:45] <ToyImp> \
[19:46] <DrDittersdorf> Tt
[19:46] <plumblum> OerHeks, is it strange that it transfers in about 80 for the first couple of minutes and then it drops, like the disk overflow in utorrent
[19:47] <v0lksman> anyone know if the gt620 will run 3 heads?
[19:47] <plumblum> that problem somehow fixed it self :P
[19:47] <plumblum> so this feels a bit odd
[19:47] <Ben64> v0lksman: probably not
[19:47] <v0lksman> shiatzu!
[19:47] <ToyImp> massage?
[19:48] <betrayd> how many outputs does the gt620 have anyway
[19:48] <v0lksman> 3
[19:49] <luke_> v0lksman: I dont have software & updates :S
[19:49] <v0lksman> including hdmi
[19:49] <v0lksman> luke_: under system settings?
[19:49] <Ben64> v0lksman: definitely 2 monitors from that card only
[19:49] <v0lksman> Ben64: did you find a doc?
[19:49] <Felishia> :)
[19:50] <betrayd>  think i know of what he speaketh
[19:50] <Felishia> HEY
[19:50] <Felishia> I'm wondering
[19:50] <Ben64> its a cheapy card, it can't do more than 2
[19:50] <Felishia> if I can run ubuntu-minimal
[19:50] <luke_> v0lksman: nope it isnt there
[19:50] <Felishia> as live Usb?
[19:50] <v0lksman> luke_: not sure how that's possible...13.04?
[19:50] <j0su3> hi guys, i'm having a problem with ubuntu 13.04 in a brand new desktop Dell whith amd radeon 7440. When i try to login it stops in a orange screen and stands there. It seems an graphic driver issue. Anyone having the same problem?
[19:50] <luke_> 12.04
[19:50] <v0lksman> luke_: meh...should still be there
[19:51] <v0lksman> maybe Software Sources?
[19:51] <luke_> found software sources in the software center, installing now....
[19:53] <maui> how to skype in ubuntu
[19:53] <v0lksman> luke_: I won't be around much longer...I believe your problem is that nouveau drivers are still installed. but your best bet is to try to let Ubuntu install the nvidia driver through the package manager
[19:53] <Felishia> can someone tell me if ubuntu minimal can run as live-rw?
[19:53] <Felishia> in a usb stick
[19:53] <dragonkeeper> maui skype webiste
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> Felishia, 30MB I don't think so.
[19:53] <adamk> luke_: Did you install bumblebee yet?
[19:53] <maui> ah ok
[19:53] <maui> only through the website
[19:54] <luke_> need to restart for complete bumblebee, be back in a tick
[19:54] <Felishia> but ubuntu-minimal runs with a usb-stick
[19:55] <Felishia> I mean I need a distro terminal-only
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> Felishia, the minimal is a net loader.
[19:55] <Felishia> that can run apt-get
[19:55] <Felishia> and also that is a live-rw
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> Felishia, Any regular download can run in a cli.
[19:56] <dragonkeeper> Felishia, any linux can run live cli only ;/    all debian based use apt-get
[19:57] <luke_> im back, bumblebee should now be installed
[19:57] <v0lksman> apparently a 640 will do 2 heads
[19:57] <v0lksman> 3heads
[19:57] <iShotz> What's a good Text editor for Xubuntu?
[19:57] <Felishia> yes dragonkeeper but some distros do not save changes
[19:57] <v0lksman> iShotz: sublimetext
[19:57] <iShotz> Ok
[19:57] <iShotz> Thankls
[19:57] <iShotz> *thanks
[19:58] <dragonkeeper> Felishia,  well thats not the distros fault ,, pebkac is the obvious issue
[19:58] <wilee-nilee> Felishia, Details your goals here, the method your using is backwards.
[19:58] <luke_> anyone know how to actually run bumblebee??
[19:59] <Felishia> I need a linux distro that I could boot from a usb as live-rw and that it is only console and has apt-get
[19:59] <Maple__> fedora or ubuntu
[19:59] <Maple__> biggies ;o
[19:59] <Maple__> er
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> !enter | Maple__
[19:59] <ToyImp> 3
[19:59] <dragonkeeper> Felishia, some distros come stock (for live) to run from ram, which is why changes dont get saved , if you install to a usb stick then changes will be saved
[20:00] <FreeBSD64> Felishia: im pretty sure ubuntu can be installed very minimally
[20:00] <mdfe> Felishia, ubuntu server edition installs without a GUI
[20:00] <Udms>  no use ubuntu core
[20:00] <mdfe> Felishia, there is alsot he ubuntu alternatve installer, which might enable you to not install the GUI
[20:00] <Udms> or minimal
[20:01] <hero> I have Linux Mint installed on my colleague's laptop. The same is installed on my laptop, we have same repos enabled except for a couple of ppa's but he can't seem to install many software from universe e.g. irssi or suphp. Can someone guide where all can I look?
[20:01] <hero> here's the output of apt-cache policy http://pastebin.com/ZfAgNm0s
[20:01] <DJones> !mint | hero
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> !mint
[20:01] <Udms> but there is only an installer
[20:02] <Udms> how do you create a panel in xubuntu
[20:03] <Ari-Yang> Udms, I believe theres a #xubuntu channel
[20:03] <FreeBSD64> in the panel options add panel
[20:03] <dragonkeeper> luke_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[20:03] <Udms> how do you create a panel in xubuntu
[20:03] <hero> DJones: yes, but I am sure it's an apt issue. and apt is common to ubuntu as much and so to debian
[20:04] <DJones> hero: That doesn't make it an issue for this channel, Mint isn't supported here
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> hero  there's even a difference between ubuntu-mint and debian-mint
[20:04] <luke_> ive installed bumblebee, what do i now do with it
[20:05] <dragonkeeper> luke_ read usage on the link i sent you
[20:05] <hero> DJones: MonkeyDust this is ubuntu mint. I know there's a difference but even then underlying apt wouldn't change
[20:05] <luke_> im in terminal after typing "optirun"
[20:05] <hero> except if you just wanted to be a jerk just cos I said it's mint.
[20:05] <hero> anyways, no point asking here.
[20:05] <dragonkeeper> luke_, optirun [options] <application> [application-parameters]
[20:05] <FreeBSD64> hero: pretend its ubuntu then
[20:05] <gordonjcp> !mint | hero
[20:05] <luke_> usage dont really make sense
[20:06] <gordonjcp> oh, he left
[20:06] <gordonjcp> oh well
[20:06] <adamk> luke_: You use optirun to run 3D applications.
[20:06] <adamk> luke_: You start up X using the intel driver, and then use optirun before a 3D app.
[20:06] <dragonkeeper> luke_, yes it does   optirun steam     will run steam with "bumblebee" using "discrete "card
[20:07] <thecoder> Hi to all! I have an ubuntu 12.04 server and i want to whole server to another server. how can i do that?
[20:07] <FreeBSD64> thecoder: clone it?
[20:07] <luke_> so it oes
[20:07] <luke_> does
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> !clone
[20:07] <ohnoididitagain> anybody can tell me how to fix skype? after I switched to nvidia drivers it stopped working on 13.04 64-bit.. :/
[20:08] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Define "stopped working".
[20:08] <Udms> no one is at #xubuntu
[20:08] <FreeBSD64> Udms: in the default panel, choose the panel options
[20:08] <ohnoididitagain> adamk, it doesn't start at all
[20:08] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: OK, but what error do you get?
[20:08] <FreeBSD64> Udms: there should be a plus sign or something to add anothe rpanel
[20:08] <thecoder> FreeBSD64 how to clone?
[20:09] <Udms> ok
[20:09] <ohnoididitagain> adamk, usually there's no error, nothing happens when I click on the icon
[20:09] <FreeBSD64> thecoder: you could use clonezilla
[20:09] <thecoder> clonezilla?
[20:09] <FreeBSD64> for a 1-1 clone
[20:09] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Errr...  Run it from a terminal window.
[20:09] <thecoder> FreeBSD64, thank you
[20:09] <ohnoididitagain> adamk, how?
[20:09] <FreeBSD64> thecoder: the disk will have to be the same size or larger, or you'll have to do it a different way
[20:10] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Bring up a terminal (such as gnome-terminal) and run skype
[20:10] <luke_> we just had this conversation about drivers, i updated to nvidia drivers and everything stopped working, ive installed bumblebee and its all working again
[20:10] <FreeBSD64> if it is larger, you will have unallocated space at the end of the cloned
[20:10] <FreeBSD64> which you will have to extend
[20:11] <thecoder> FreeBSD64, i dont have physical access to servers. Is it ok?
[20:11] <ohnoididitagain> adamk, when I typed run skype it said command not found, and when I typed skype it said segmentarion fault :/
[20:12] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Sounds like the nvidia drivers really screwed up your system somehow.  You could try reinstalling skype, but I suspect that won't help.
[20:12] <Fieldy> I am going to roll a kernel manually. is there a document describing the required kernel features so that the distro will function properly?
[20:12] <FreeBSD64> Fieldy: use lspci and dmesg
[20:12] <FreeBSD64> for info on what you need
[20:13] <ohnoididitagain> adamk, without nvidia drivers my programs dont work properly. it's only skype that's misbehaving :/
[20:14] <FreeBSD64> thecoder: it does have a remote option but im not sure how it works, ive only ever used it for local disks
[20:14] <thecoder> FreeBSD64, thank you
[20:14] <sixshots> hi guys i need help to fixe some errors
[20:15] <nickster> Hey can someone help me. I'm trying to change the title bar in Unity
[20:16] <sixshots> can someone help me ?
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> !help
[20:16] <user01> I have issues with pulseaudio :( i uninstalled it and it works with alsa, but now the volume control buttons on my laptop don't work
[20:16] <user01> with pulseaudio it worked for 3 - 10 minutes then died
[20:16] <nickster> I have chromium web browser open and I don't want it to say Chromium Web Browser in the title bar in unity. It can be blank for any app I have open as well
[20:17] <sixshots> I update my linux and I got this error : Errors were encountered while processing:  se-toolkit  subterfuge E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:17] <nickster> I'm on ubuntu 12.04 pretty much stock if that helps
[20:20] <nickster> I'm trying to change the title bar in Unity. I have chromium web browser open and I don't want it to say Chromium Web Browser in the title bar in unity. It can be blank for any app I have open as well using 12.04
[20:21] <xubuntu-liveCD> hi, i changed in my BIOS teh IRQ #10 Channel for the installation of Xubuntu 13.04, I have to change it before instaling?
[20:21] <FreeBSD64> xubuntu-liveCD: for what
[20:22] <xubuntu-liveCD> for the instllation, if I don't reserv the IRQ #10, it frezes
[20:22] <xubuntu-liveCD> (sorry, I am from spain)
[20:22] <FreeBSD64> you just answered your own question then lol
[20:22] <xubuntu-liveCD> what? lol
[20:22] <FreeBSD64> change it before installing... so it dont freeze
[20:23] <xubuntu-liveCD> oh... ok thank you
[20:23] <xubuntu-liveCD> bye, and thank you
[20:23] <FreeBSD64> bye
[20:28] <the8thbit> When I boot, the start up screen says something like "Waiting for network configuration" and then "booting without full network configuration". I'm trying to connect to a WPA2-personal encrypted wifi network. My distro is XBMCbuntu.
[20:28] <the8thbit> Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: pastebin.com/g3DYWJrG
[20:34] <th0r> the8thbit, I believe for WPA2 you need wpa-supplicant and a config file for it. Do you have that installed and configured?
[20:36] <Criten> Hey guys, anyone have any experiance or know-how on getting two touch displays working on one box?
[20:38] <the8thbit> th0r how do I check?
[20:38] <UbuntuNewbie> Greetings
[20:39] <Kion> how do I controll the file permissions for internet downloaded files, for example if I want all to be 700 ?
[20:39] <the8thbit> th0r: I have it installed,  but no config (/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf)
[20:40] <th0r> the8thbit, I don't think you will get verified (WPA2) without the config. But it has been a very long time since I configured network that way.
[20:41] <the8thbit> th0r, how would you suggest configuring it? I have nmcli installed, so I can use that
[20:41] <the8thbit> I just have had trouble figuring it out
[20:41] <ningu> can I have an upstart script without an "exec" and just with a post-start script?
[20:41] <ningu> oh, I see
[20:42] <ningu> I can do script instead of exec
[20:42] <th0r> the8thbit, there are websites with details on how to configure it. It was the google search that held me up responding to you initially <smile>
[20:42] <th0r> the8thbit, just a quick one....http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/wireless/391987-how-change-wpa2-wpa_supplicant.html
[20:42] <bojje> Hey, does anybody know how I can sync a folder across servers, with an hour delay, it is also important that it only syncs one way so that when I delete something from machine 2 it won't delete it on machine 1. On top of that I need something which only syncs new files, so it won't just dump all the contents from one box to the other. Any way of doing this?
[20:43] <th0r> bojje, cron and rsync
[20:43] <the8thbit> th0r: Thanks! I found some example configs, but I'll check that site out too
[20:45] <uponatree> Hey guys, I want to set up device authentication based on certificates with freeradius. Is there any howto/best practice on the internet?
[20:45] <mzaza> How to know which graphics card Ubuntu is using on hybrid graphics>
[20:46] <clcto> the8thbit: heres another https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#Manual_setup
[20:47] <bojje> Thank's Thor, reading man pages now.
[20:48] <th0r> bojje, a small script with the rsync command, and then a cron job to schedule execution of the script.
[20:49] <bojje> I think I'll just do a manual workaround regarding it only syncing the newest files. It doesn't seem like it can be configured to only sync the newest files added.
[20:49] <clcto> th0r: but doesnt cron only execute every so often? so if he creates a file right before it executes, there won't be an hour delay?
[20:50] <th0r> clcto, I didn't quite follow his scheduling...but he should be able to execute the script at whatever time he wants. If he needs to do something else first, and then the sync an hour later, he can do two cron jobs
[20:51] <the8thbit> clcto, th0r: Im confused as to what goes in my interfaces config, in my wpa_supplicant config, etc... And do I use my actual router password for my PSK, or the hex code that was generated by passphrase or whatever?
[20:51] <mzaza> Is it possible to know which graphics card I'm currently using on hybrid graphics laptop?
[20:51] <clcto> the8thbit: man wpa_passphrase
[20:52] <clcto> the8thbit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_Supplicant
[20:52] <the8thbit> some of what I've included in my wpa_supplicant config (basically copied an example config) is also included in my interfaces config
[20:52] <away> mzaza, integrated+dedicated graphics?
[20:52] <bojje> I'll be having a dl folder which is going to need the full bandwidth for 1/2 hour, and afterwards I'll be needing the file on my home pc. Is there any easy way to perhaps use pipes on deluge so that it sends a "finished job" and makes a countdown before it syncs?
[20:52] <clcto> mzaza: probably somewhere in /sys ?
[20:52] <th0r> the8thbit, you wrote the interfaces file for WPA.....WPA2 needs wpa_supplicant. It will the same info....but for a different program
[20:53] <mzaza> away: yes
[20:53] <away> it's using integrated unless you told it to use dedicated
[20:53] <the8thbit> th0r: So do I need to erase the interfaces file?
[20:53] <fofo> ciao
[20:54] <th0r> the8thbit, no....I think wpa-supplicant will just ignore the extra info, and you need interfaces to define the ip and such
[20:54] <the8thbit> Ah, okay
[20:56] <ubuntuSUCKS> why is ubuntu so slow and crashes all the time
[20:57] <maui> actually skype has linux version
[20:57] <bojje> and it is quite good :)
[20:57] <tgm4883> ubuntuSUCKS, that isn't a support question
[20:57] <th0r> ubuntuSUCKS, that is usually operator error
[20:57] <tgm4883> and/or bad hardware
[20:57] <Bodsda_> ID10T error
[20:57] <maui> you do something bad to it
[20:58] <ubuntuSUCKS> ok thanks for the rtarded info
[20:59] <tgm4883> well really, what did he expect
[20:59] <Bodsda_> that was mildly amusing
[20:59] <clcto> tgm4883: hes just a troll
[20:59] <tgm4883> clcto, I know, I suppose some people just have nothing better to do with their time
[21:01] <Guest65849> hey
[21:01] <clcto> !hi
[21:02] <Guest65849> can someone help me DDOS this site www.boredmaple.net
[21:02]  * tgm4883 sighs
[21:02] <clcto> Guest65849: no
[21:02] <th0r> tgm4883, me too
[21:02] <Guest65849> way??-_-
[21:02] <gustav_> Guest65849: Google booster.
[21:02] <tgm4883> Google GTFO
[21:03] <Guest65849> k then
[21:03] <tsuna27> any way to get a free ubuntu CD these days
[21:03] <UbuntuNewbie> Hello. Can someone tell me how to DELETE the Recent Folder in Nautilus please, or just disable it. Thanks
[21:03] <gustav_> tsuna27: Steal an empty, steal a computer with an RW CD writer and eh... something.
[21:04] <tgm4883> tsuna27, you might be able to get some from a conference, but IDK
[21:04] <clcto> tsuna27: why? just download it. cdrs are pennies
[21:04] <nedbat> in this sudoers line, what does "(ALL)" mean?   www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/pkill
[21:04] <maui> i made one yesterday
[21:04] <tsuna27> okay thanks, whats the filesize
[21:05] <Guest65849> more 20 sec to might night  and i still bored
[21:05] <clcto> nedbat: man sudoers
[21:05] <tsuna27> and whats the best way to get a dualboot
[21:05] <maui> partition
[21:06] <maui> with 'gparted' tool
[21:06] <maui> running your pc from the cd directly, not from the ubuntu in your pc
[21:06] <maui> (not from the hard drive)
[21:06] <maui> then install to one partition ubuntu, the other partition windows
[21:06] <clcto> tsuna27: install windows first
[21:07] <nedbat> clcto: thanks, I tried that, it's pretty opaque. There's only so much BNF I can keep in my head... :)
[21:07] <the8thbit> clcto, th0r: I added the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, but I'm still getting the same issue at boot
[21:08] <mrrob> Hey Guys.
[21:08] <darkapp> hey has a new ubuntu come out recently?
[21:08] <mrrob> Just wonder if I've come to the right place.
[21:08] <Bodsda_> darkapp: 13.04
[21:09] <mrrob> I'm trying to hack the Gibson.
[21:09] <Bodsda_> !ops | mrrob
[21:09] <darkapp> i heard 14 came out/ was on the way
[21:09] <gustav_> What's the Gibson?
[21:09] <th0r> the8thbit, I haven't set up network that way in ages so can't be of much help. I would have to go back to the net and search for info...and do the config trial and error.
[21:09] <mrrob> You haven't heard of the Gibson?
[21:09] <elky> mrrob, nope, down the hall to the left.
[21:09] <clcto> darkapp: the releases are numbered by year.month
[21:09] <k1l> darkapp: 13.04 is the most recent ubuntu
[21:09] <gustav_> mrrob: No?
[21:10] <darkapp> ok awesome
[21:10] <th0r> the8thbit, I will tell you I only rarely got it to work...usually fell back to wpa or just turned off encryption and depended on mac filtering
[21:10] <the8thbit> th0r: Are there ways to get this to work that aren't so archaic?
[21:10] <the8thbit> e.g. tools I can use?
[21:11] <the8thbit> I have nmcli, I just dont know how to use it
[21:11] <clcto> the8thbit: just connecting at boot? wicd
[21:11] <th0r> the8thbit, don't know what you have set up. I run xubuntu and use network mangler
[21:11] <FroMaster> I was provided a VMware VM that has Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS as its base and kernel 3.2.0-30-generic. VMware only provided VMware-Tools for 3.2.0-23/3.2.0-29 not the one I have. The VM is an appliance and thus has unnecessary components removed. Trying to get the Kernel-headers & build-essentials is not possible. I'm trying to find the difference between 3.2.0-30-generic & 3.2.0-29-generic to see if
[21:11] <FroMaster> I can upgrade the kernel and apply the vmware-tools packages via apt-get. Thoughts/ideas?!
[21:11] <elky> mrrob, could you take a look at the guidelines for the channel please, they're in the /topic
[21:11] <the8thbit> th0r: "network mangler" :P
[21:11] <th0r> clcto, the8thbit I liked wicd, but heard it isn't being developed any further
[21:12] <clcto> th0r: oh didnt know
[21:12] <the8thbit> clcto: Is wicd like nmcli or like NetworkManager?
[21:12] <th0r> the8thbit, like NM
[21:12] <the8thbit> th0r: I have networkmanager running
[21:12] <th0r> the8thbit, and in all fairness, network manager has gotten a lot better lately
[21:13] <the8thbit> I just dont know how to use nmcli, which is a cli tool for configuring it
[21:13] <the8thbit> and I don't know of any other nm config tools for tty
[21:13] <th0r> the8thbit, you might just set up autologon and let nm configure the network for you
[21:14] <the8thbit> th0r: I'd love to do that, but I don't know how
[21:14] <clcto> the8thbit: wicd-cli
[21:14] <th0r> the8thbit, what environment are you running? unity? xfce? gnome?
[21:14] <the8thbit> th0r: XBMC
[21:15] <th0r> the8thbit, right...forgot
[21:15] <the8thbit> Which may as well be equivalent to "none"
[21:16] <clcto> the8thbit: wicd includes wicd-curses too which is a curses based interactive setup
[21:16] <Wulf> Hi
[21:17] <Wulf> I get "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz" and similar. I know that it's no longer supported, but are the files still accessible until one day I manage to upgrade?
[21:17] <clcto> is /media still the standard for mounting partitions?
[21:17] <clcto> sry wrong channel
[21:19] <hari_> i want to install ubuntu by completely reoving windows, formatting my harddisk. I don't know anything about partitioning in linux. DO i have to worry about it if i am using the complete hard disk( I am installing it as a stand alone OS)
[21:20] <FroMaster> How can I install some software and create a package out if it so I can install it on another system?
[21:20] <clcto> hari_: not particularly, but a separate partition for /home is recommended
[21:20] <th0r> FroMaster, I think it is remastersys
[21:20] <maui> how long will it take til i know ubuntu well?
[21:21] <th0r> maui, how smart are you?
[21:21] <hari_> i have a 1TB hard disk....so what should be my partition generally, swap space( i don't know anything abt it) , root, etc.
[21:21] <FroMaster> th0r: I'm was thinking a package that i can install via apt-get
[21:21] <maui> thor, i dont think thats the issue
[21:21] <maui> im concerned about time, i dont have much time/brain free for more study
[21:21] <th0r> FroMaster, I think the name of the package is remastersys. It will do what you want, but I am not sure of the exact name
[21:22] <clcto> swap=size of ram, /home is where most of your documents and such will be, and / will be where your programs install to
[21:22] <th0r> maui, well, you get out what you put in
[21:22] <maui> is there online a school for ubuntu thats interesting for someone clueless?
[21:22] <thecodeischaos> if i can run the 64 bit iso on a live usb stick does that mean my system is 64 bit?
[21:23] <maui> i dont get the command line stuff
[21:23] <thecodeischaos> because it works... but i think my system is 32 bit?
[21:23] <auronandace> maui: when you have an itch to scratch thats when you learn
[21:23] <clcto> maui: just slowly migrate over to it. ie start using it for filemanagement and installing packages
[21:23] <brainwash> thecodeischaos: yes, has to be a 64 bit system
[21:24] <thecodeischaos> it is  AMD Dual-Core Processor E-450 (1.65 GHz), AMD M1 Chipset,
[21:24] <thecodeischaos> shouldnt this be 32 bit
[21:24] <hari_> clcto : Is there any web resource for exclusively about installing ubuntu as a stand alone OS, I have found all the articles dealing with alongside windows.
[21:25] <anonymous_> supp
[21:25] <th0r> FroMaster, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys
[21:25] <paolo> sera
[21:25] <paolo> bb
[21:25] <maui> im still using my old netbookwith windows
[21:25] <maui> slow migration is the only way
[21:25] <maui> for those clueless about programming
[21:25] <maui> and command prompt stuff
[21:26] <clcto> hari_: just follow the install. there really isnt much difference
[21:26] <auronandace> maui: there is no quick and easy way, if you want to learn then you'll learn
[21:26] <thecodeischaos> for a 1.6ghz dual core processor, if it runs 64 bit should i use 64 bit iso? or because my cpu is low 32 bit will run better?
[21:26] <anonymous_> i crack to my techar computr lol:-)
[21:26] <hari_> what would happen if i didnt partition at all. What difference will it make?
[21:26] <clcto> maui: its just command [options] [parameters] usually. you can use <cmd> -h for a short help page or man <cmd> for a more in depth one
[21:26] <FroMaster> th0r: Not quite what I'm looking for. I want to install Kernel-headers, build-essentials and complile VMware-Tools from source and then package them up for installation on 30 other identical (and already configured) virtual machines
[21:27] <nas> Hi
[21:27] <anonymous_> hei!
[21:27] <clcto> hari_: if you have one partition of type ext4 you will be fine
[21:27] <maui> heisann
[21:27] <nas> I'm trying to boot Ubuntu from a flash drive, I changed it to the top of my boot priority list, but it still says Missing operating system
[21:27] <hari_> ok..and is it necessary to make swapspace
[21:27] <nas> BOOTMGR is missing
[21:28] <maui> is bottmgr in the flash?
[21:28] <maui> check it out
[21:28] <clcto> hari_: not NECESSARY, but if you want hibernate it must be the size of your ram at least
[21:28] <Bodsda_> nas: its not booting from usb then - thats a windows error
[21:28] <hari_> ok..thanks
[21:28] <nas> How to I get it to boot from my USB
[21:28] <brainwash> thecodeischaos: the 32bit version is recommended, but you can run the 64bit version without any down sides
[21:28] <clcto> nas: how did you put it on your usb?
[21:29] <maui> nas, is it a netbook?
[21:29] <hari_> anything else i need to know before i dive in with the installation...i am kinda scared
[21:29] <th0r> FroMaster, you can fetch the deb files for build-essentials and such from the cache, or use aptoncd to create a cd with all those on it. You can create a deb from the compiled source...you do the make, but instead of make install you do something else, but I don't recall the command. It builds and installs a deb from your compiled source.
[21:29] <maui> cause if you have the choice of a cd, go for it...
[21:29] <maui> i failed to boot from usb
[21:29] <thecodeischaos> thanks brainwash ill try the 32bit then
[21:29] <nas> unetbootin
[21:29] <thecodeischaos> mainly i just want to do android development and music production. so i dont think i need 64 bit
[21:29] <clcto> hari_: you will be able to use internet while it installs if you have questions (at least most likely)
[21:29] <th0r> FroMaster, so once you have all those installed, just use aptoncd to create a cd of the debs  with a metapackage. Install the metapackage on each vm and it will install all the debs
[21:29] <nas> It's a 15 inch lapto
[21:29] <nas> It's a 15 inch laptop
[21:30] <maui> it does not have a cd rom drive then
[21:30] <hari_> ok..thanks clcto
[21:30] <nas> It does have one
[21:30] <brainwash> thecodeischaos: you might want to read this wiki article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[21:30] <maui> then go prepare a cd with ubuntu
[21:30] <maui> much easier
[21:30] <nas> But I don't have a disk large enough for it
[21:30] <thecodeischaos> thanks brain will read it now
[21:30] <nas> My flash drive is 16 GB
[21:30] <maui> buy a dvd rw
[21:30] <nas> I can't just go to the store anytime
[21:31] <maui> wait then
[21:31] <maui> you go tomorrow to the store
[21:31] <nas> meh
[21:31] <th0r> FroMaster, the command is checkinstall ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/140998/compiling-source-into-a-deb-package
[21:31] <maui> problem solved:)
[21:32] <the8thbit> clcto: How can I make my computer use wicd instead of nm at boot?
[21:32] <Bodsda_> the8thbit: installing wicd used to remove network manager
[21:32] <FroMaster> th0r: that's what I was looking for. Thanks!
[21:33] <k1l> nas: what is the problem again?
[21:34] <aakka> I just did a fresh install of ubuntu 13.04 and flash doesn't work at all when trying to watch videos on youtube. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it?
[21:35] <Bodsda_> aakka: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:35] <aakka> is that a different version of flashplugin installer?
[21:36] <Bodsda_> aakka: dunno, what other have you tried?
[21:36] <aakka> sudo apt-get install flashplayer installer
[21:37] <aakka> i've also tried to install the plugin for firefox from the software center
[21:37] <clcto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[21:37] <Bodsda_> aakka: try the one I posted and let me know
[21:37] <nas> k1l: Okay, my laptop doesn't have Windows on it… I'm trying to boot Ubuntu via flash drive on the computer. It says Operating System missing
[21:37] <aakka> Bodsda_, should i uninstall the adobe flash player plugin for firefox first?
[21:38] <k1l> nas: how did you put ubuntu on that flash drive? and is it a stick or a hdd?
[21:38] <tsk0> Hello, i have already installed postgresql but it doesn't work. when i try to create a db it tell me 'could not change directory to "/home/user'. anyone can help me?
[21:38] <Bodsda_> aakka: shouldn't need to, but it won't hurt to do that first, sure
[21:38] <nas> k1l: hdd
[21:38] <nas> unetbootin
[21:38] <maui> something like picasa in repos?
[21:38] <maui> any suggestion?
[21:39] <k1l> nas: make sure the hdd is fully powered and in full running speed when the system bios looks out for the ubuntu
[21:39] <k1l> !enter | maui
[21:39] <nas> k1l: How do I make it fully powered?
[21:40] <maui> someone has a suggestion for a tool exactlyh like picasa in repos?
[21:40] <k1l> nas: a possible error is, that the hdd is still in spinning up and not at full speed ad that time
[21:40] <nas> hmm
[21:40] <k1l> maui: so start the hdd some seconds before or reboot the laptop and try again
[21:41] <maui> surely not
[21:41] <maui> i had same problem with nas, a cd saved me
[21:41] <maui> btw,my usb from 16 gb, now shows 64 mb as total space although its empty
[21:41] <nas> sigh
[21:41] <k1l> maui: it is a possible error, when calling " no operating system".
[21:42] <maui> its the usb i attempted to use to insttall ubuntu
[21:42] <k1l> maui: i will not make a video just to convice you.
[21:42] <nas> I'lll erase mine
[21:42] <maui> hehe
[21:42] <maui> format
[21:42] <k1l> maui: please be helpfull when you try to help.
[21:43] <maui> kll, you too.
[21:43] <aakka> Bodsda_, it just installed the same version as sudo apt-get install flashplugin installer.
[21:43] <Prock81> aakka did u use firefox,  youtube worked out of the box for me, sorry for late reply, i was about to send and got called away from pc while typing
[21:43] <Prock81> gtg
[21:44] <aakka> Prock81, yes i am using firefox and it still won't play videos. Even when i use adobe's find flash player version the videos on it own site don't play
[21:45] <slovatar> Hey folks, I'm having trouble getting U12.10 to detect a disk in the cd/dvd drive.
[21:45] <slovatar> derp, name
[21:45] <IsmAvatar> fix'd
[21:51] <ChrisOfBristol> I'm a newbit, can I start a new thread?
[21:52] <maui> yes
[21:53] <ChrisOfBristol> I've been demonstrating some live CDs to a Windows user and with most of them the USB (anything) won't work. XUbuntu 10.04 ok, 10.10 not - any idea why?
[21:54] <maui> dont know,could be more pc specific since all usbs dont work
[21:54] <ChrisOfBristol> USB works fine with windows xp
[21:54] <k1l> ChrisOfBristol: did you tr the recent supported versions like 12.04 or 13.04?
[21:55] <ChrisOfBristol> It's a dell dimension 1100 and same thing happens with mint-cinnamon-14
[21:55] <Computron_> hei
[21:55] <ChrisOfBristol> mint-cinnamon-14 USB doesn't work I mean.
[21:55] <k1l> well, we cant support mint in here.
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> it depends on what 'dosent work' ChrisOfBristol
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> I would be trying out the latest releases also.. not the old old releases
[21:56] <ChrisOfBristol> I'm not asking you to support Mint, I am using it as an example of the fact that USB doesn't seem to work on several Ubuntu based distributions. In particular Xubuntu 10.10.
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> ChrisOfBristol:  depending on whats not working.. it could be anything from a bad iso image file., or a tool that put it on the usb incorrectly. or some odd driver bug...
[21:58] <k1l> ChrisOfBristol: that exactly xubuntu is out of support since some time. i would strongly recommend to test the supported ones first. maybe the issue is not a issue at all, now
[21:58] <OerHeks> ChrisOfBristol, give us more details about your usb: does usb live boot into flashing cursor, or does usb not work in your live session?
[21:59] <vanishing> man..why is it so hard to patch 3.9 kernel with ck patches..
[22:00] <ChrisOfBristol> DrW: Ubuntu 13.04 wouldn't run - I guessed that it was too much for the graphics chip, so went back in time to make sure that the version would run on that chip.
[22:00] <Casey> Hello, does somebody have a minute?
[22:00] <k1l> Casey: just ask a specific ubuntu support question
[22:01] <Casey> Oh, sorry. Never used this before.
[22:01] <ChrisOfBristol> A quick tryout of the menus suggests that they are working, just the USB hardware doesn't - USB mouse, USB ASDL modem.
[22:01] <vanishing> Casey: sup?
[22:01] <vanishing> :D
[22:01] <Casey> I'm trying to download things, but when I do, I'm having issues installing
[22:02] <vanishing> Casey: can you be more specific?like what are you downloading, and how are you installing it
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> !manual | Casey
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> Its vague question day it seems.. ;)
[22:02] <k1l> ChrisOfBristol: usb mouse should run. usb modem maybe needs some special driver or module
[22:02] <Casey> Alright, well....I'll just read the manual I guess. Thanks.
[22:03] <vanishing> Dr_Willis: are you familiar with patching kernels?
[22:04] <k1l> Casey: with specific questions you get more specific answers. with just "program" and "problem" we can only point to the "manuals"
[22:04] <vanishing> most likely its a chmod problem for him I think..:D
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> vanishing:  Ive not had to recompild the kernel in ages.. I did use a 3.9 kernel ppa/ (or was it deb files) for my system to get hdmi sound working
[22:05] <Casey> Um, Okay, Well I'm on Paint.Net and I'm trying to download the program, so...what do I do after it's downloaded?
[22:05] <Kitzune> I'm trying to help someone install flash on 9.04, what's the best way for them to do that?
[22:06] <ChrisOfBristol> DrW: Since I have tried several CDs (and those on another PC) I don't think it was the ISO. I don't think it is a driver problem as it's not only the modem but the mouse as well and that's a fairly simple thing.
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> Kitzune:  theres a flash-installer package in the repos.. but I  think you would be better off using a newer verison of ubuntu.
[22:07] <vanishing> Dr_Willis: I see...
[22:07] <vanishing> Casey: what file did you download
[22:07] <vanishing> Casey: like..deb? tar.gz? .bin?
[22:07] <ChrisOfBristol> I take the point about trying a newer version - what is the latest I can try that would work with an older graphics chip? I know U13.04 is too much for it.
[22:07] <Casey> One second
[22:08] <Kitzune> Yeah, but say they didn't want to upgrade for some odd reason. Could they just download from adobe and extract it and install it?
[22:08] <k1l> ChrisOfBristol: try the LTS version 12.04
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> Casey:  you mean  http://www.getpaint.net/  ?
[22:08] <fps> is there a reason, the disk partition tool in the ubuntu installer always seems to leave 1 meg free at the start of the device?
[22:08] <Casey> Yes.
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> fps:  i belive its somthing to do with alingnhg partions to cylinder boundries.. or somthing like that
[22:09] <fps> Dr_Willis: ok
[22:09] <k1l> !wine | Casey
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> fps:  ive seen windows do the same thing
[22:09] <k1l> Casey: you know its windows software?
[22:09] <Casey> I didn't until just now...
[22:09] <Casey> Ok, Well, I have another thing I'm trying to download
[22:09] <k1l> Casey: why not using gimp?
[22:10] <vanishing> ^
[22:10] <vanishing> gimp is not bad
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> theres other image editor tools out there also.. depoends on your needs
[22:10] <Casey> Gimp doesn't have the things I need
[22:10] <Casey> but I guess it'll have to do
[22:10] <Casey> I'm also wanting to download www.openshot.org
[22:10] <Casey> Is that doable?
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/pinta-paint-net-clone-for-linux.html
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> !info openshot
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> openshot is in the default repos Casey
[22:11] <ChrisOfBristol> kll: OK I'll give it a go. I'll try Ubuntu and Xubuntu 12:04LTS.
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> Casey:  sudo apt-get install openshot
[22:11] <Casey> What?....Sorry...Isuck at this stuff
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use avidemux
[22:11] <genii-around> May want to put sudo apt-get update &&     ...in front of that
[22:11] <OerHeks> Casey, if you want to edit .raw then DarkTable is a nice phototool
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> Casey:  ubuntu uses 'repositories' to get software from a 'offical source'  - and openshot is in the default sources
[22:12] <OerHeks> !info darktable
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> Casey:  theres no need to download  openshot from the openshot web site
[22:12] <ChrisOfBristol> k1l: Thanks.
[22:12] <Casey> Oh there isnt?
[22:12] <Casey> Where do I get it?
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> Casey:  sudo apt-get install openshot             <------------------------- I just told you how.. ;) use this command
[22:12] <darkapp> !join
[22:12] <vanishing> usually most apps are hosted on repositories
[22:12] <Casey> OH!
[22:13] <clcto> Casey: look in synaptics
[22:13] <vanishing> and you can use apt-get to install them
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> or fire up the 'software center' and use its search feature
[22:13] <Casey> Synaptics?
[22:13] <Casey> Duh
[22:13] <Casey> Ok
[22:13] <Casey> Got it
[22:13] <Casey> Thank you!
[22:13] <FloodBot1> Casey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> people understand the idea of a software-marketplace on their phones.. but cant seem to handle that Ubuntu/Linux disrots have had a similer idea for... err.. decades? ;)
[22:14] <vanishing> man...ck patches...why you so hard...T.T
[22:14] <k1l> Dr_Willis: its just because you cant fit a cd into your phone ;)
[22:16] <IsmAvatar> I stuck a CD in my CD drive but it's not showing up in /dev or Nautilus's Devices list. How do I access it?
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> IsmAvatar:  music cd or data cd?
[22:16] <IsmAvatar> data, in this case. I could try a music cd.
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> you dont mount music cds ;)
[22:17] <IsmAvatar> if I can find one >_>
[22:17] <IsmAvatar> didn't think so
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> try mounting the cd by hand. with the mount command..
[22:17] <IsmAvatar> I did, but like I said, it's not showing up in /dev, so dunno what to mount
[22:18] <kvothetech> IsmAvatar: see anything in dmesg about it
[22:18] <n-iCe> hi, what's the name of the tool that when you move a window up it maximizes or when you move to the sides it takes the half of the screen and fit
[22:19] <OerHeks> i thought a cd would mount in /media/ ?
[22:19] <kvothetech> n-iCe: your window manager handles that.
[22:20] <IsmAvatar> kvothetech: you mean when I insert/eject a CD? Nope.
[22:20] <kvothetech> IsmAvatar: try /dev/sr0
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> pop it in.. run 'dmesg' a few moments later.. look for some info messages about  the cd
[22:20] <kvothetech> Dr_Willis: he said it doesn't say anything about it....
[22:21] <kvothetech> IsmAvatar: does your cd drive work/powered on etc
[22:21] <IsmAvatar> kvothetech: sr0 doesn't exist. And yes, my CD drive is powered and works great on windows. Ubuntu is just temperamental about it for some reason.
[22:22] <jackinacker> Hi- I've got a weird problem. I cant seem to get rid of this mail icon in the upper right hand corner of the screen
[22:22] <jackinacker> somehow i set it to open reddit... i havent a clue how i did that
[22:23] <kvothetech> jackinacker: right click delete?
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> jackinacker:  Hmm.. not even sure how you would do that. ;) its an IM messinger type icon.. not just mail
[22:23] <fps> oh wow, this hasn't happened in ages with any linux distro. installed 13.04 to my new ssd and it doesn't boot..
[22:23] <kvothetech> jackinacker: or right click edit panel depending on the de
[22:23] <fps> grub seems to be confused
[22:24] <jackinacker> hrmm... nothing happens when i right click the icon
[22:24] <fps> the cursor blinks on a black screen (post BIOS) and it does on CR, then it just hangs..
[22:24] <fps> s/on/one/
[22:24] <IsmAvatar> fps: Might try booting to livecd and then reinstalling grub
[22:24] <fps> IsmAvatar: yah, just booted the live cd again..
[22:24] <jackinacker> It shows reddit- and then it had xchat in the list
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> jackinacker:  what ubuntu release and desktop are you using?
[22:24] <misterx> hi there
[22:24] <jackinacker> Just finished updated moments ago
[22:24] <fps> IsmAvatar: you have a pointer for reinstalling grub from within the live cd?
[22:25] <jackinacker> 13.04
[22:25] <ner0x> https://gist.github.com/fswitalski/5587925  <-- after updating nvidia-drivers to the latest I get this error. Anyone able to help I'd appreciate it.
[22:26] <IsmAvatar> fps: Boot-Repair. Not sure if it's in the repository, so let me know if it doesn't show up
[22:26] <tyrog> Hello. Does Ubuntu 13.04 still have the bug where HDMI audio is not detected? thanks
[22:27] <fps> IsmAvatar: i found some article on the subject.. trying that first..
[22:27] <IsmAvatar> kk
[22:28] <misterx> i f*cked up my X11 and would appreciate some help here: some hours ago i started steam and was asked if i wanted to get the latest nvidia-driver. i'm sure i clicked on "no" but the system was very slow for some minutes (nearly frozen; part-time frozen) and after reboot i never got X11 back
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  a fix is supposed to be comming out.. or i just used the 3.9 kernel and that fixed it. (got the info on it at askubuntu.com)
[22:28] <misterx> re-installed the nvidia-driver but that didnt help
[22:28] <misterx> with an older kernel, i come up to the desktop-manager but cant log-in
[22:29] <tyrog> Dr_Willis: could you tell me which is the package that will fix it?
[22:29] <kvothetech> misterx: what's the error when you type startx
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  i used the 3.9 packages from a ppa. or i might have just grabbed the .debs  like 4 files i downloaded/installed -------->     http://askubuntu.com/questions/285624/ubuntu-13-04-not-detect-the-hdmi-sound-output
[22:29] <misterx> kvothetech: depends on the kernel
[22:29] <misterx> kvothetech: newest kernel throws a segfault
[22:29] <kvothetech> misterx: the one you want fixed
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-saucy/
[22:30] <kvothetech> 3.9.2
[22:30] <misterx> kvothetech: older kernels try to tell me x was already running, but i cant go out of lightdm
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  or that might not be the right ones.. i forget what ones i grabbed.. let me see if i still have them
[22:30] <jackinacker> hey Dr willis- here's a screenshot of what i was talking about http://imgur.com/Tv6uvjx
[22:31] <kvothetech> master_o1_master: nvidia proprietary rarely works with the latest kernel...try going to the one that they made the drivers for.
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  linux-image-3.9.0-030900-generic_3.9.0-030900.201304291257_amd64.deb
[22:31] <kvothetech> misterx: er that bit was for you and ctrl alt f1 when you get to your login manager
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  but im not sure where i got them at.. fllowed a link from the askubuntu.com answers
[22:31] <tyrog> Dr_Willis: I see. Thanks for your advice :)
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  aha - here they are.. for rareing  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  but i used the .debs so i may not get the updated kernel if/when the fixed kernel comes out.
[22:33] <tyrog> Dr_Willis: is a fix coming for current 3.8 users?
[22:33] <misterx> kvothetech: i know how to get to tty1 (thanks). with kernel 3.2.0-41 (latest out of the repos and the one i want fixed), i can't go in, since i end up with a ig nvidia-logo on screen
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  no idea. the bug reports say yes.. but have said that for some weeks now
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  i got sick of waiting
[22:33] <misterx> *big nvidia-logo…
[22:34] <misterx> with SysRQ+K i get a completely frozen system
[22:34] <kvothetech> misterx: boot to init 3 or 1
[22:34] <tyrog> Dr_Willis: but using another kernel is not supported right?
[22:34] <fps> IsmAvatar: ok, chroot'ed new grub setup succeded without errors. but grub still doesn;t boot..
[22:34] <misterx> kvothetech: small moment, please…
[22:34] <fps> IsmAvatar: i won't spend more time on it tonight and put my old ssd back in for now. tomorrow is another day..
[22:35] <IsmAvatar> fps: chroot may fix some problems, but I've never had to do that. Using Boot-Repair is always a silver bullet for me. I'd recommend trying it out when you get a chance.
[22:36] <fps> IsmAvatar: ok, taking a look before heading to bed
[22:36] <fps> IsmAvatar: it seems not to be in the repos
[22:36] <IsmAvatar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:37] <IsmAvatar> you can add its repository, ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[22:37] <misterx> kvothetech: how to do that?
[22:37] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  depnds on what your definition of support is. ;)
[22:37] <fps> IsmAvatar: yeah, found the article
[22:37] <misterx> kvothetech: my skills end at tty1 ;)
[22:37] <Dr_Willis> tyrog:  those kernels are from kernel.ubuntu.com and are the mainline kernels.
[22:38] <misterx> kvothetech: think i have to start from grub…?
[22:38] <Dr_Willis> bye all.. bbl
[22:39] <fps> aaah, GPT seems to be the problem
[22:39] <fps> why would the ubuntu setup do such a thing? :D
[22:39] <kvothetech> misterx: idk i don't use ubuntu's upstart....i'd try recovery mode at grub then login as root and kill lightdm
[22:41] <fps> does the setup have an option to not use GPT?
[22:41] <misterx> kvothetech: lightdm isn running in recovery mode → root shell
[22:42] <tamancuso> this bay be a dumb question but I am having trouble installing the driver for nvidia gt 540m card. I have downloaded the right one from their site.
[22:43] <kvothetech> misterx: k good
[22:43] <kvothetech> misterx: kk now that were at a usable shell...
[22:43] <misterx> ?
[22:44] <kvothetech> tamancuso: apt-get install xf86-video-nvidia
[22:44] <kvothetech> misterx: tail /var/log/X11.org.log
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> tamancuso: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[22:45] <kvothetech> ActionParsnip: thanks
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> !info xf86-video-nvidia
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> thought so
[22:46] <kvothetech> ActionParsnip: eh i took a guess at what it usually is
[22:46] <misterx> kvothetech: how many lines do you need?
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> kvothetech: no harm done :-)
[22:46] <kvothetech> misterx: preferably the ones with the error and a few before
[22:47] <fps> ok,  i created the partitions (and partition table) manually with gparted now. one more install try tonight
[22:47] <misterx> kvothetech: within the last 20 lines i see no "ERROR" string…
[22:47] <kvothetech> misterx: see anything with EE?
[22:50] <misterx> kvothetech: nope. many (II), some (==) and a (**), but no EE
[22:51] <kvothetech> misterx: if not change to your user and type startx in another tty after tail -f /var/log/X11.org.conf
[22:51] <kvothetech> er .log
[22:52] <misterx> kvothetech: still no errors
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> misterx: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:53] <misterx> ActionParsnip: hum, could've thought on that…
[22:53] <misterx> kvothetech: // ActionParsnip: nothing.
[22:54] <kvothetech> misterx: so X isn't throwing an error at it.
[22:55] <misterx> kvothetech: in any event, i end up seeing a nvidia-logo. beautiful and nicely rendered at all, but still a nvidia-logo and nothing else
[22:56] <kvothetech> misterx: ActionParsnip does nvidia create any log files ...don't have an nvidia card to test with.
[22:56] <misterx> kvothetech: i cant change tty, also
[22:57] <misterx> kvothetech: ActionParsnip: never heard of.
[22:57] <kvothetech> misterx: tmux/screen then if you need to make more tty's
[22:57] <kvothetech> misterx: uhm anything in /var/log/messages about it
[22:58] <Voi> hey, i would like to update my ubuntu from 10.10 too 13.04 without making a fresh install and without successive updating from 10.10->11.04-> ... etc. yes i know its stupid and risky and highly not recommended but id still like to do that if its possible? :)
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> kvothetech: it makes the Xorg.0.log as normal
[22:58] <misterx> kvothetech: in a regular boot, i cant change to any tty at all. i just see the logo and thats all.
[22:58] <Ben64> Voi: if you want to skip updates and keep using a release for a longer time, use LTS releases
[22:58] <replaceits> hey all! So im about to reinstall ubuntu, was wondering if 13.04 is any better or if i should stick with 10.04, any one have some experiance with 13.04?
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> voi: its possible but I expect you will get a tonne of problems
[22:59] <replaceits> oops i meant 12.04!
[22:59] <Voi> Ben64: thanks, i still rather want the 13.04 though
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> replaceits: 10.04 desktop is EOL
[22:59] <Adam_> Can anyone help we figure out what's wrong with my screen brightness adjustment? It's driving me crazy, I've tried everything
[22:59] <misterx> kvothetech: recovery-console or chroot out of a live-system?
[22:59] <kvothetech> voi you can i'd do it in a chroot though off a live cd so you dont end up in dep hell
[22:59] <Voi> ActionParsnip: how? any links?
[22:59] <replaceits> ActionParsnip: yea meant 12.04 lol
[22:59] <Ben64> Voi: then go 10.10 -> 11.04 -> 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04
[22:59] <vanishing> replaceits: i would recommend 13.04. pretty smooth on my end so far...13.10 now..
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> replaceits: 12.04 is LTS, id go for that
[23:00] <Voi> Ben64: ...
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> voi: you could edit sources.list I guess.
[23:00] <Voi> ugh
[23:00] <Ben64> ActionParsnip: that will break everything
[23:00] <K4k> I'm trying to configure preseed and for some reason if I enable tasksel for ubuntu-desktop I keep getting dependency for xserver-xorg-video-all missing. It claims the ati and nouveau packages are uninstallable. I'm not sure why it would do this, anyone have ideas?
[23:00] <replaceits> I had problems with 12.10 so i downgraded to 12.04 and it worked perfectly, would i have problems with 13.04 if i did with 12.10?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> ben64: upgrading from 10.10 to 13.04 but the fool is a glutton for punishment
[23:01] <Ben64> replaceits: i would just stick with 12.04 until 14.04
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> voi: go for a clean install of 12.04 it is LTS and supported til April 2017
[23:01] <Voi> ok, another question, how do i get gparted for my 10.10 right now
[23:02] <Ben64> Voi: you don't, you need to upgrade to a supported release
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> voi: should be in a default install. there is a gparted livecd
[23:02] <Voi> no its not on 10.10
[23:02] <Ben64> 10.10 lost support over a year ago
[23:02] <replaceits> Ben64: thats what i was thinking, just wanted to check before i installed a whole os just to install another lol thank you ActionParsnip & vanishing!
[23:02] <Ben64> no security updates, no nothing
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> voi: then id go for the gparted livecd
[23:03] <kvothetech> Voi: you knowyou can just install over your current one right and or keep your home partition....
[23:03] <OerHeks> you can use the 13.04 live cd too
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> voi: run a final backup and wipe maverick out, then install precise and restore user data from backup
[23:03] <Voi> i dont have a usb stick at hand
[23:04] <misterx> kvothetech: no /var/log/messages
[23:04] <kvothetech> misterx: /var/log/syslog
[23:04] <Voi> i wonder if i can make a partition of my hdd "bootable"
[23:04] <kvothetech> Voi: as long as it's either on the first ide cable or first 2 scsi ports yes
[23:05] <misterx> kvothetech: anything special to search for?
[23:05] <kvothetech> misterx: errors that look related
[23:05] <Voi> i just learned that life cd doesnt necessarily mean a usb or a cd but can be on the drive itself, good.
[23:06] <vanishing> just started compiling the new kernel..wish me luck..
[23:06] <Voi> haha the gparted life cd iso has 133 mb --.-
[23:06] <Voi> good luck
[23:06] <vanishing> Voi: thanks..lol
[23:06] <kvothetech> vanishing: lol long as you included everything you need you'll be fine
[23:07] <vanishing> kvothetech: the thing is im trying to patch it with ck patches as well
[23:07] <vanishing> XD
[23:07] <misterx> kvothetech: tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep -i nvidia → no results.
[23:07] <Voi> http://xkcd.com/456/
[23:07] <vanishing> awww...failed
[23:08] <kvothetech> misterx: ok...so it's not throwing an error just locking up.
[23:08] <Voi> i never came that far to compile my own kernel
[23:08] <misterx> kvothetech: "is that good or bad news, doctor?"
[23:09] <the8thbit> Hm, so, I'm trying to get sound via USB soundcard to work. I spilled tea on my internal soundcard and now only the USB one will work, however, I just switched distros and am having trouble getting it to work. I didn't have pulse audio installed, so I installed that and then installed pavucontrol, and used that to turn the USB card up, but Im still not getting any sound
[23:09] <the8thbit> I'd also like to set it up so that if/when a usb audio device is plugged in, it is automatically used for sound rendering
[23:09] <kvothetech> vanishing: patch < patchfile
[23:09] <Voi> how do i check my GRUB version
[23:09] <kvothetech> Voi: .97 is grub 1 .99 is grub 2
[23:10] <vanishing> kvothetech: did that..its a compilation error
[23:10] <maui> well 24 hours with ubuntu, goes somewhat well, tomorrow I will try the command prompt thing
[23:10] <kvothetech> vanishing: what's the errorsomething simple like a typo
[23:10] <utfans05> vio grub-install -v
[23:10] <maui> thanks all for the help
[23:10] <utfans05> voi grub-install -v
[23:10] <vanishing> kvothetech: implicit declaration of function ‘nsecs_to_cputime64’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[23:11] <kvothetech> vanishing: turn off die on warnings or you'll have a ton of stuff to fix
[23:11] <Voi> grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3 um?
[23:11] <misterx> kvothetech: the empty logs result of the recovery-console.
[23:11] <misterx> kvothetech: going to chroot, back in a few minutes
[23:11] <utfans05> voi thats grub2
[23:11] <Voi> ty
[23:11] <vanishing> kvothetech: whats the switch?
[23:12] <Voi> trying to get gparted live cd working the guide tells me to mount hda4, but: sudo mount /dev/hda4 /mnt mount: special device /dev/hda4 does not exist
[23:12] <kvothetech> vanishing: export CFLAGS = "-Wno-error"
[23:13] <utfans05>  voi do a lsblk
[23:13] <vanishing> kvothetech: thanks a bunch, will try that now
[23:13] <Voi> utfans05: command not found <3 im on 10.10
[23:13] <utfans05> voi hrm...
[23:14] <kvothetech> vanishing: you can also set makeopts -j to a better value nd add other options to that cflags to tell it how to compile
[23:14] <utfans05> voi are you doing it as sudo?
[23:14] <Voi> yea sure
[23:15] <utfans05> voi do it sudo lsblk
[23:15] <Voi> ah that one
[23:15] <Voi> sudo: lsblk: command not found
[23:15] <utfans05> voi get the output now?
[23:15] <Voi> it would have told me "that needs sudo" then anyway
[23:15] <utfans05> voi try fdisk
[23:16] <utfans05> voi sorry fdisk -l
[23:16] <kvothetech> Voi: install lsblk then if it's not found or put where itis in your path
[23:16] <dr_willis> !blkid
[23:16] <Voi> kvothetech: install? im on a non supported distro 10.10 not sure ...
[23:16] <alecb> In the middle of a ubuntu upgrade off a live CD my screen went black. Ctrl+Alt+F7 just has a black screen and a cursor moving. Ctrl+Alt+F1 puts me in a working terminal, but the cursor is still there (and is still moveable). wat do?
[23:17] <dr_willis> !find lsblk
[23:17] <Voi> utfans05: yey! that gives me a partition table, though only /dev/sdas listed there
[23:18] <utfans05> voi: yeah those are your hard drives, you can use gparted on any of those, what are you trying to do?
[23:18] <vanishing> kvothetech: im taking out the Werror line in the main Makefile..hope that works
[23:19] <kvothetech> vanishing: k you could have just set cflags and it'd havignored itanyway
[23:19] <Voi> utfans05: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livehd.php , the bigger plan is to create a new partition, put 13.04 live cd there, make it bootable so that i can install it (w/o having to put 13.04 on a USB stick or such)
[23:19] <gswain> what is the ubuntu way of having a wheel group (giving a user access to sudo)
[23:19] <vanishing> kvothetech: i did a export CFLAG, somehow it still fails..
[23:20] <alecb> would it be safe to just power off and try again?
[23:20] <kvothetech> vanishing: hm
[23:20] <dr_willis> gswain:  i think they call it the 'admin' group
[23:20] <gswain> dr_willis, thanks
[23:20] <utfans05> voi why not just grab the 13.04 iso and do a side by side install?
[23:20] <kvothetech> gpasswd -a wheel user
[23:20] <utfans05> voi it will automatically do the partitions for you
[23:20] <vanishing> kvothetech: yay...this time it passed the point where the compilation fails..:D..thanks for the help
[23:21] <gswain> kvothetech: I'm familiar with how to add a user to a group, but there is no wheel group in ubuntu and if ubuntu has a best practice id like follow it
[23:21] <kvothetech> vanishing: np...
[23:21] <Voi> utfans05: ok, but im not completely sure what you mean by side by side install
[23:21] <dr_willis> i thought wheel became 'admin' quiet some time ago... but i cant recall when.. anyone else want to verify this?
[23:21] <vanishing> gswain: best practice...i've lost that long time ago..lol
[23:22] <misterx> kvothetech: just chroot-ed in the system out of a live-cd
[23:22] <gswain> visudo shows an admin group
[23:22] <misterx> nothing in /var/log/syslog
[23:22] <utfans05> voi: there is a part during the install that will ask you how you want to install the os, side by side with the current os on the computer or by its self, if you select side by side it will install 13.04 without messing up your 10.10 install
[23:22] <gswain> where my centos boxes show a wheel group
[23:22] <gswain> i think admin must be it
[23:22] <cocoa117> is it ever possible to have ssh client in the initramfs, so i can read a encryption key file from remote PC, and automatic the whole disk encryption process?
[23:22] <kvothetech> dr_willis: i have a wheel group...granted i'm not on ubuntu but all the other distros i've used still have it
[23:22] <Voi> utfans05: i know that, but how does it make me avoid putting 13.04 on an USB first and boot that?
[23:22] <dr_willis> kvothetech:  i think ubuntu switched to 'admin' a few releases back
[23:23] <cocoa117> i know the drapbear is one solution, but i don't think i need the ssh server running on initramfs
[23:23] <misterx> kvothetech: still nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:23] <kvothetech> cocoa117: not likely because you have no networking
[23:23] <alecb> bump
[23:23] <kvothetech> misterx: try removing nvida and readding the one you had
[23:23] <misterx> kvothetech: ?
[23:23] <kvothetech> alecb: what was your question
[23:23] <cocoa117> kvothetech, i know the dropbear can set up the IP address and others
[23:23] <dr_willis> Voi:  if you have a working ubunti install on your machine. that is using  GRUB2.. you can set IT to boot the iso file via grub2. then install from the booted ISO file to  partions on the HD.
[23:23] <alecb> In the middle of a ubuntu upgrade off a live CD my screen went black. Ctrl+Alt+F7 just has a black screen and a cursor moving. Ctrl+Alt+F1 puts me in a working terminal, but the cursor is still there (and is still moveable). wat do?
[23:23] <misterx> kvothetech: i always used nvidia…
[23:23] <alecb> would it be safe to just power off and try again?
[23:24] <kvothetech> alecb: you'll likely end up with the same result but feel free to do so
[23:24] <dr_willis> alecb:  you get no LOGIN: on any of the alt-cgrl-f1-f8 consoles ?
[23:24] <misterx> alecb: in the middle of a dist-upgr thats probably not the best idea
[23:24] <utfans05> voi, it doesnt, from what I know, it needs to be on some media in order to boot from it. if your trying to resize a partition in order to put the iso on your hdd and boot from it, shrink your current hdd about 4gb and then do a dd if=/location/of/iso of=/dev/sd"partion letter &number"
[23:25] <alecb> dr_willis: each of the ctrl alt f[1-7] consoles is logged in as ubuntu -- i'm in one of them now
[23:25] <kvothetech> cocoa117: if it confiures networking and you throw it in after your network drivers load i suppose..never tried it though
[23:25] <dr_willis> it would be much easier to get grub2 to boot the ISO. then dd the iso to  a partion and trying to boot that partition
[23:25] <utfans05> dr_willis: really?
[23:26] <dr_willis> utfans05:  i have iso files in  my /boot/ partion for 'rescue/testing' and have a grub entry for eacch one..
[23:26] <utfans05> dr_willis: can you explain how to do that. ive never had to boot from a iso currently on a hdd
[23:26] <alecb> misterx: so wht should I do? just sit around for a few hours and see if anything changes?
[23:26] <alecb> is there anyway to check from a terminal is the dist-upgrade is done yet or not?
[23:26] <dr_willis> grub2 can boot an iso file if you make a proper entry for  the iso.  the pendrielinux site may have someguides.. askubuntu.com should also
[23:26]  * switching needs help getting ndiswrapper to run on boot up.  ndiswrapper -m reports "module configuration already contains alias directive"
[23:26] <utfans05> dr_willis: im unsure of how do to that
[23:26] <kvothetech> alecb: ps
[23:27] <dr_willis> add a proper entry for the iso in  /etc/grub.d/40_custome  rerun update-grub. try the entry in the grub menu
[23:27] <elisa87> how can I install ctags in vimrc? or maybe omnicppComplete ??
[23:27] <dr_willis> utfans05:  askubuntu.com  may have example entrys to use
[23:27] <mdfe> i don't have /usr/share/aclocal/isc-posix.m4
[23:27] <utfans05> voi see what dr_willis said?
[23:28] <SDr> hmmm, interesting. My home box fails to route to my linode server, but a remote AWS box can do ping & http without a notch
[23:28] <dr_willis> the thing to remmer is this will ONLY work with grub2  not grub1
[23:28] <alecb> kvothetech: ps aux | grep dist-upgrade is empty (except for the grep...) would that mean it's done installing and the rendering just fucked up? or are there other related processes?
[23:28] <dr_willis> with grub1 - you could extract the iso files to some directory and make a custom grub 1 entry to boot that setup.. but thats a bit harder
[23:28] <IdleOne> !language | alecb
[23:29] <misterx> alecb: i'd go for "apt-get" rather than "dist-upgrade"
[23:29] <alecb> misterx: no apt-gets running either
[23:29] <vanishing> misterx: dist-upgrade is the argument for apt-get...
[23:29] <dr_willis> bb in aa bit....
[23:30] <vanishing> misterx: sry..my bad..didnt read his line
[23:30] <misterx> vanishing: i know. but i dont know if it might trigger itself without that argument.
[23:30] <misterx> vanishing: no prob. was not sure either
[23:31] <brunost> hi! has anybody else here encountered the issue with not being able to save files to a network share when using the dialog in gedit, chromium etc?
[23:32] <kvothetech> brunost: is it mounted
[23:32] <alecb> alright, well, I guess I'll just try a reboot and see what happens
[23:32] <tux30> hi i have a bug with remmina remote desktop often when i want take control of my windows 7 pc the screen is freeze and can not do anything
[23:32] <Voi> utfans05: ok thanks! i will try that, but first help me please getting that gparted live cd started so i can prepare the partitions :>
[23:33] <brunost> kvothetech: yeah, it is, actually it appears in gedit now.... still nothing with chromium
[23:33] <utfans05> voi, you going to do the same thing, put it on a hdd?
[23:33] <kvothetech> brunost: what's the error when you go to where it's mounted and try to save...
[23:33] <Voi> im currently following http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livehd.php and im stuck at 2. with mount /dev/hda4 /mnt -> mount /dev/hda4 /mnt
[23:33] <brunost> kvothetech: no errors, it just doesn't appear in the dialog
[23:33] <Voi> mount: special device /dev/hda4 does not exist sorry
[23:34] <brunost> its as if the "bookmarks" section just doesn't exist within this dialog in some apps
[23:34] <utfans05> voi the fdisk you did shows what you can select, /dev/sd$$
[23:34] <vanishing> brunost: you mean you can see the mount in nautilus but no in the save/open dialog?
[23:34] <vanishing> not*
[23:34] <brunost> vanishing: correct
[23:34] <misterx> okay, anyone else ideas what to do when i end up with a big nvidia-logo after bootup and before entering the desktop-manager?
[23:34] <th0r> brunost, you should find the mount in /media
[23:35] <Voi> utfans05: why cant i choose "hda4" ?
[23:35] <th0r> brunost, unless you have mounted somewhere else, of course
[23:35] <elisa87> How can I add ctags in my vimrc?
[23:35] <kvothetech> brunost: if it doesn't appear it's not mounted....
[23:36] <utfans05> voi when you did the fdisk -l did it show /dev/hda4?
[23:36] <kvothetech> brunost: where'd you mount it?
[23:36] <vanishing> elisa87: set tags+=location
[23:36] <brunost> kvothetech: I mounted it by right clicking on the directory when browsing for it in nautilus
[23:36] <elisa87> location of the code you mean?
[23:36] <vanishing> elisa87: location of the tags you generated
[23:37] <vanishing> kvothetech: nooo..failed with a bunch of undefined references...
[23:37] <Voi> utfans05: ok nevermind i figured out <,< on my other laptop i had all hda not sda.. anyway: can i choose a swap partition for that gparted live cd? xD
[23:37] <kvothetech> brunost: i think nautilus puts it in /var/run/media/<username>/<labelname or uuid if none>
[23:37] <kvothetech> brunost: check there
[23:38] <vanishing> kvothetech: isnt it supposed to be just /media/username/<mount name> ?
[23:38] <Voi> utfans05: else id need a new "empty" partition. i dont have one, i cant get one because i need gparted for that. on the other side i need one to get gparted ??
[23:38] <kvothetech> vanishing: hm ok...exactly what didyou do before you started compiling
[23:39] <vanishing> kvothetech: steps i took are pretty generic...
[23:39] <kvothetech> vanishing: idk i just mounted something in nautilus and that's where it put it you can probably change it by editting udisks or autofs if you wanted
[23:40] <vanishing> download source with apt-get source-> download ck patch->apply patch->copy .config->make oldconfig->make menuconfig-> fakeroot
[23:40] <Voi> yea i guess thats it.. "In this example we use the grub boot loader. You have to put the GParted live files in a FAT, ext2, ext3, reiserfs or some other grub supported partition.  If you do not have such a partition, you can use gparted to resize an existing partition to free up space and then create another partition to put GParted Live." hahaha
[23:40] <brunost> kvothetech: nothing under /var/run/media/
[23:40] <vanishing> kvothetech: except now i modified Makefile and took out the Werror implicit line
[23:40] <brunost> I mean mount, media doesn't even exist
[23:40] <utfans05> voi so your good?
[23:41] <kvothetech> brunost: where is it if you just type mount no parameters
[23:41] <vanishing> brunost: does /media/username/ exist?
[23:41] <kvothetech> vanishing: kk uhm you skipped modules in that ...or are you building it all in so you don't need an initramfs
[23:41] <kvothetech> or modules
[23:41] <Voi> utfans05: i found out that i need gparted to get gparted running? thus i cannot run it? unless i can use a swap partition for mounting gparted
[23:42] <brunost> I think I found them under /var/run/user/username/gvfs/
[23:42] <misterx> kvothetech: could reproduce the segfault. why ever…
[23:42] <utfans05> voi, IDK if that will work. It might.
[23:42] <kvothetech> brunost: and that locatin doesn't show up in your chromium window?
[23:42] <vanishing> kvothetech: hmm..didnt know you have to do that..
[23:43] <kvothetech> vanishing: i mean you CAN do it after the make but..generally it's done at the same time
[23:43] <brunost> kvothetech: no, the two bookmarked shares don't show up on the left bar of the chromium window
[23:43] <Voi> utfans05: if i have two swap partitions which one will be used (first)
[23:43] <utfans05> voi, not sure, lemme do some research really fast
[23:44] <kvothetech> brunost: if they don't show up where they're mounted i'd check permissions on it... do you have execute permission on the dir listed (so you can read it)
[23:44] <vanishing> kvothetech: i dont think that explains the undefined reference error though..
[23:44] <zapata2> Hi! i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5669277/ Any ides?
[23:44] <kvothetech> vanishing: it doesn't....
[23:44] <Voi> utfans05: http://pastebin.com/UivJWGvA
[23:45] <kvothetech> vanishing: hmm try grabbing a fresh kernel from kernel.org instead of using the ones with apt
[23:45] <Voi> utfans05:  /dev/sda6 looks like swapspace - not mounted mount: you must specify the filesystem type :/
[23:45] <utfans05> voi, i would recommend this http://www.wikihow.com/Boot-an-Ubuntu-ISO-from-Your-Hard-Drive put the iso on a hard drive that your computer doesnt already boot from and see if that works
[23:45] <vanishing> kvothetech: did that too..
[23:45] <brunost> kvothetech: using ls -l in the mentioned directory gives me this: drwx------ 1 nikolai nikolai 0 mai   14 00:53 smb-share:server=microserver,share=tank/
[23:46] <elisa87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5669279/  What should I do if I am not a sudoer? cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/ctags': Permission denied
[23:46] <kvothetech> brunost: so is chromium running as nikolai (btw if thats a reference to enders shadow nice)
[23:46] <brunost> kvothetech: yes it does
[23:47] <brunost> run as that user that is
[23:47] <roloenusa> Hello everyone, i got a few noobie questions.. Is this the best place to ask?
[23:47] <Voi> utfans05: thx for that link! might work
[23:47] <vanishing> roloenusa: ye..but don't ask that..ask the question
[23:47] <kvothetech> brunost: and /var/<user>/gvfs or whatever dosen't exist in chromium at all? uhm thats a bug omewhere
[23:47] <utfans05> voi, anytime
[23:47] <utfans05> afk bbiab
[23:48] <_NerdyMe_> hi guys... what's the best channel for smart scopes?
[23:48] <brunost> kvothetech: I can browse to it from chromium, the bookmarks to the shares just doesn't exist
[23:49] <kvothetech> elisa87: idk what that file is but if you're not a sudoer and you cant modify the acl's to give yourself permission to make that file or edit it...you're out of luck...you can try making /home/<user>/usr/local/bin/ctags and then set a prefix for whatever uses it to that copy
[23:49] <Voi> now i need to find that boot table on my 10.10...
[23:49] <dougsko> hey guys, i just upgraded to raring and now i have no sound. i tried the instructions here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139589 but it didnt work. how should i troubleshoot this?
[23:49] <kvothetech> brunost: idk i dont bookmark shares
[23:50] <kvothetech> vanishing: sorry mate if you already tried that too...idk what tot el you..
[23:50] <brunost> kvothetech: can I somehow make the shares appear as physical drives?
[23:51] <kvothetech> brunost: as far as nix is concerned you mount the share just like you would any other drive....so it already is
[23:51] <mustmodify> I installed Ubuntu on an old Pavillion that was slow but stable under windows. Kids complain of frequent kernel panics. Can someone give me some direction in terms of troubleshooting? I have one up on the screen now.
[23:51] <kvothetech> brunost: you just happened to choose a really weird and long ass path to mount it to
[23:51] <vanishing> kvothetech: kvothetech meh..thanks anyways
[23:51] <roloenusa> Basically, i'm pretty new to Ubuntu. I have it installed in a dual core intel about 4 years old and a 300GB hard drive. I keep getting /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon and other similar crashes. Sometimes.
[23:51] <kvothetech> vanishing: sorry :( never had an issue compiling my kernel it's alwys sorta just worked unless i did something stupid
[23:52] <roloenusa> I'm not sure what they mean or how to fix them
[23:52] <brunost> kvothetech: yeah, but it would have been practical to make it appear as a disk drive just as any secondary drive, sortof like it is in "my computer" in windows
[23:52] <mustmodify> or is there another channel I should checK/
[23:52] <mustmodify> k?
[23:52] <vanishing> kvothetech: can you skim through this page and tell me if its still good?
[23:52] <vanishing> kvothetech: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1637004
[23:52] <kvothetech> brunost: so mkdir /share mount it there thats as close as you'll get...
[23:53] <elisa87> In my directory I have .cc and .hh files and I can't use ctags ... Is there any other alternatives? ctags: Warning: cannot open source file "*.c" : No such file or directory
[23:53] <brunost> hmm ok. might just have to settle with that, its just really odd, I had this working alright with the bookmarks when I still was on ubuntu 12.04 but it doesn't on 13.04
[23:53] <misterx> kvothetech: http://files.datahaven.eu/Xorg.0.log
[23:54] <kvothetech> elisa87: ? add another c to that you said you have .cc and you tried opning .c
[23:54] <kvothetech> vanishing: ok sure misterx sec lt me read his thread
[23:54] <misterx> kvothetech: i finally found the error. got you the complete logfile up
[23:55] <zapata2> Hi! Trying to get my webcam going but itsimage is black.  i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5669277/ . what could that mean? what could the problem be?
[23:56] <thecodeischaos> thats why it was all weird... i downloaded 13 instead of 12
[23:56] <kvothetech> vanishing: not having tried it it LOOKS valid...
[23:56] <vanishing> kvothetech: hmm..alright..
[23:57] <kvothetech> vanishing: assuming the ck patch matches your kernel it looks like it'd work...just a standard compile with the patches added
[23:57] <kvothetech> misterx: k
[23:57] <roloenusa> kvothetech: Basically, i'm pretty new to Ubuntu. I have it installed in a dual core intel about 4 years old and a 300GB hard drive. I installed 12.0.4 LTS I keep getting /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon and other similar crashes.
[23:57] <ggherdov> how to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_%28runtime%29 the ubuntu way?
[23:57] <vanishing> kvothetech: could it be a dependency error...
[23:57] <vanishing> just thought of that...
[23:58] <vanishing> oh....just did a build-dep on linux-image uname r..seems like im missing a bunch of them......
[23:58] <switching> repost: I need help getting ndiswrapper to run on boot up.  ndiswrapper -m reports "module configuration already contains alias directive"
[23:58] <dr_willis> ggherdov:  it may be in the repos.. what do you need moonlight for?
[23:58] <misterx> kvothetech: in case you missed the link: http://files.datahaven.eu/Xorg.0.log